SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      Mobile Version     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact
CapitolFax.com
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
Noontime update *** UPDATED xSeveral ***

Sunday, May 31, 2009

[Updated with video and bumped up for visibility.]

* 12:29 pm - The House Education Committee is now debating the Senate’s tax hike plan. Gov. Quinn is at the hearing and took a question about the budget. The Senate’s plan requires $2 billion in spending cuts. Quinn said he’d have to do some belt tightening, but that the cuts were doable.

They’re meeting in room 114, so you can listen or watch by clicking here, unless your Mac is like mine and the feed doesn’t work.

* 1:21 pm - The Senate’s tax hike bill passed the committee 11-6-2.

* 1:29 pm -
One House member absent from the chamber today: Democratic Rep. Lisa Hernandez.

* 1:36 pm - Gov. Quinn talked to reporters after the House committee hearing…


* 1:52 pm - The AP has a brief story up about the committee vote. Nothing new in it.

* 2:04 pm - The Tribune’s web story breezes past a very important point…

The tax measure was approved by the House Education Committee on an 11-6 party line vote, with Democrats supporting and Republicans opposed. Two Republicans voted present.

Those two GOP “Present” votes are hugely significant, because House GOP Leader Tom Cross has said that his entire caucus is a “No” on any tax hike plan. There’s more to it, but you gotta subscribe.

It ain’t there yet, but the plot has thickened.

* 2:19 pm - A couple more videos from the committee hearing. Gov. Quinn says property taxes are the most onerous tax in Illinois…


The governor’s closing statement to the committee…


* 2:28 pm - From Rep. Fritchey’s Twitter page

Dems are going to caucus in a bit to talk about taxes. This situation is still very much up in the air.

Yep.

- Posted by Rich Miller        


25 Comments
  1. - Anon - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 12:48 pm:

    I’ve had the same issue with the House feed not playing on my mac, but discovered it will play with the Windows Media Player for Mac OSX.

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/mac/mp9/default.aspx


  2. - Bill - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 12:48 pm:

    Whitely and the Repubs are so full of it with this myth that businesses and even citizens are “leaving Illinois” because of taxes. There is absolutely no evidence that any number, let alone 400,000 people have “fled” Illinois because of taxes. Give it a rest, morons!


  3. - at it igan - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 1:09 pm:

    My opinion, Mike Madigan does not want any tax bill to pass, for political reasons.


  4. - Rich Miller - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 1:27 pm:

    ===it will play with the Windows Media Player for Mac OSX.===

    Yep. Works. Thanks.


  5. - Steve - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 1:56 pm:

    Bill. I know this may shock you but there’s better places to do business than Illinois. Places that don’t have union problems. Places that don’t have a state income tax. States that don’t have ex- Chicago Mob bookmakers making it to the top. Illinois is do to lose one U.S. House seat after the next census. Do you wonder why?

    http://nalert.blogspot.com/2008/04/texas-leads-list-for-fortune-500.html


  6. - dave - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 2:03 pm:

    Steve… but you still haven’t given any evidence, at all, that people are leaving Illinois because of taxes.

    Where is the evidence?


  7. - Steve - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 2:06 pm:

    The evidence is all over the place. Look at Chicago which,according to recent census estimates has lost more people than Detroit this decade!

    http://www.census.gov/popest/cities/SUB-EST2007.html


  8. - Rich Miller - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 2:08 pm:

    Steve, you claim evidence without providing actual correlation. Back up your claim.

    Also, Detroit was already empty.


  9. - Legaleagle - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 2:11 pm:

    Why would any poster call others “morons”? Is this Junior High?Can’t we all try to persuade rather than insult?


  10. - Steve - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 2:19 pm:

    Rich:

    Detroit is still considered a big city by the U.S. Census Bureau even though it’s in decline. Alright, he’s a Brookings Institution study.I’ll quote from it first:

    Total employment in metropolitan Chicago grew moderately before the 2001 recession,declined from 2000 through 2003,and rose again in 2004 and 2005.The region gained 346,000 jobs(an 8.2% percent increase)from 1995 through 2000.Despite recent gains,total employment fell by 109,900(2.4 percent)from 2000 through 2005.Over the entire period 1995-2005,the region gained 236,100 jobs(5.6 percent),well below the national growth rate.
    Manufacturing employment declined almost continously since 1995,with the largest annual losses occurring in 2001 and 2002.The region lost 35,700 manufacturing jobs(a decline of 5.3 percent)from 1995 through 2000 and another 141,300(22.2 percent) from 2000 through 2005.The result was a loss of 177,000 manufacturing jobs(a 26.3 percent decline)over the entire decade,the largest total loss of all regions included in this analysis.

    http://nalert.blogspot.com
    /2006/07/brookings-study-
    says-chicago-area-is.html

    Here’s something from Crain’s Chicago Business:

    Financial pressures on Illinois residents are deepening, as the state continues to lose economic ground compared to the nation and its own past.

    That’s the gloomy bottom line on a comprehensive study of the state’s economy being released this morning by the Chicago-based Center for Tax and Budget Accountability and the two research units of Northern Illinois University at DeKalb.

    The study finds that, though the rate of decline has somewhat slowed, Illinois continues to lose good-paying manufacturing jobs to service-industry posts that tend to pay less.

    As a result, most Illinois workers actually earned less in 2007 than they did in 2000, adjusted for inflation, with median household income dropping from $54,900 in 1999-2000 to $49,328 today.
    http://nalert.blogspot.com/20
    07/12/illinois-continues-to-lo
    se-high-paying.html

    Here’s the Wall Street Journal:
    And the evidence that we discovered in our new study for the American Legislative Exchange Council, “Rich States, Poor States,” published in March, shows that Americans are more sensitive to high taxes than ever before. The tax differential between low-tax and high-tax states is widening, meaning that a relocation from high-tax California or Ohio, to no-income tax Texas or Tennessee, is all the more financially profitable both in terms of lower tax bills and more job opportunities.

    and

    Texas created more new jobs in 2008 than all other 49 states combined. And Texas is the only state other than Georgia and North Dakota that is cutting taxes this year.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/
    SB124260067214828295.html


  11. - Rich Miller - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 2:22 pm:

    Steve, unless we find lots of oil and natural gas here and start taxing coal sales at a much, much higher rate, then we’ll never be able to compete with Texas on income taxes. There’s no way to eliminate our income tax unless we move it to the sales tax.


  12. - Rich Miller - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 2:26 pm:

    From the Fort Worth Star-Telegram

    ===A multi-billion dollar budget hole had long ago threatened to make this an especially bitter session. But budget negotiations turned out to be fairly cordial once the state’s coffers received a $12.1 billion boost, courtesy of the federal stimulus package.

    “We were fortunate that the stimulus arrived when it did,” said Rep. Jim Keffer, R-Eastland. “It softened the blow and it allowed us to preserve the ‘rainy day fund,’ which will be [important] for the next session.”

    Indeed, lawmakers are already talking about raiding that fund, based on robust oil and gas income, in preparing for a possibly larger budget shortfall in 2011. ===

    [Emphasis added]


  13. - Steve - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 2:29 pm:

    Rich:

    No doubt that Texas oil helps but Texas is more than oil now. It has more Fortune 500 corporate headquarters than any other state. This isn’t a coincidence. Low taxes and less regulation help. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, Plano is the wealthiest per capita large city ( cities with populations over 250K ) in the U.S. This isn’t due to oil. It’s due to high tech and consumer products like Pepsico.

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/082908dnmetcensus.1e989ff3.html


  14. - Patiently waiting - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 2:31 pm:

    Can someone give a summary of where the proposed gov’t $2B cuts will occur? Education, executive branch agencies, etc.? Thanks.


  15. - Rich Miller - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 2:37 pm:

    ===summary of where the proposed gov’t $2B cuts will occur?===

    tbd


  16. - Bill - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 2:49 pm:

    I sure would like to be a fly on the wall in those caucuses.


  17. - Willie Stark - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 2:53 pm:

    A Texas legislator, Eliot Shapeleigh from El Paso, every year for the past several years has put out his own version of a “State of the State” report called “Texas on the Brink.” It’s a compendium of statistics about Texas, pulled from reputable, legitimate sources, like the Census Bureau, and fully footnoted. It doesn’t paint Texas in such a favorable manner.

    Here are some low-lights:

    1) 49th in teacher pay
    2) 1st in the percentage of people over 25 without a high school diploma
    3) 41st in high school graduation rate
    4) 46th in SAT scores
    5) 1st in percentage of uninsured children
    6) 1st in percentage of population uninsured
    7) 1st in percentage of non-elderly uninsured
    8) 3rd in percentage of people living below the poverty level
    9) 49th in average Women Infant and Children benefit payments
    10) 1st in teenage birth rate
    11) 50th in average credit scores for loan applicants
    12) 1st in air pollution emissions
    13) 1st in volume of volatile organic compounds released into the air
    14) 1st in amount of toxic chemicals released into water
    15) 1st in amount of recognized cancer-causing carcinogens released into air
    16) 1st in amount of carbon dioxide emissions
    17) 50th in homeowners’ insurance affordability
    18) 50th in percentage of voting age population that votes
    19) 1st in annual number of executions

    Quite a few other metrics besides job creation and number of F500 companies by which to fairly (note “fairly” is the operative word) rate a state.

    If you are interested, the full report is here: http://shapleigh.org/system/reporting_doc
    ument/file/255/Texas_on_the_Brink_2009
    _website_final.pdf

    So, please, spare us the Texas is a paradise line. Despite what Steve, Tom Cross and the Illinois Policy Institute corporate welfare recipients believe, it’s not and it has a lot for which to be ashamed.


  18. - Better late than never - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 3:36 pm:

    I know I’m coming in late in this game but the Repubs would be insane not to force this thing into OT and get their say.

    “Gov. Quinn is at the hearing and took a question about the budget.”

    That is the most refreshing thing about this whole budget year. At least Quinn is down there fighting for it.


  19. - L.S. - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 3:44 pm:

    -Repubs would be insane not to force this thing into OT and get their say.-

    Not gonna happen, if the tax hike doesn’t work (and it probably won’t) it will be the 50% operations budget and away we go. Overtime is not an option.


  20. - Cassandra - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 3:44 pm:

    I’m still surprised that the corporate increase is so low. It could be much higher in tandem with the proposed individual tax but instead it’s infinitesimal. Yet in the latest House version, a family making $50,000 would take quite a hit.
    The proposals are becoming less and less progressive as time goes on.


  21. - Mdog - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 3:56 pm:

    Texas is said to have the best business climate in the United States. What I do know is that since we have had one party control in Springfield, it has been one debacle after another. It is to bad that the average Illinoisan remains uninformed about the political leadership that runs this State. I think if they knew then many of these “leaders” both Republican and Democrat would be out of a job. At some point you have to level out spending. Under the current ideology that taxpayers should foot the bill everytime our elected leaders overspend, then doesn’t that mean that taxes will always have to go up? Maybe we shouldn’t try and provide services to every single special interest in the State? Maybe we can’t afford to provide everyone insurance? I often ask myself; what did I do to someone to make them think that I should pay for their health care.


  22. - dave - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 4:12 pm:

    Steve… not one of your pieces of “evidence” gives any facts that would mean that people have left Illinois because of taxes. Not one of them.

    A couple imply such, even though the facts that they present say nothing of the sort.


  23. - soccermom - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 4:27 pm:

    Given the aging of the baby boom, I think it’s reasonable to assume that a good number of older Illinoisans are moving to Sunbelt states, driven more by ice and snow than by taxes. Perhaps the
    General Assembly should take action to bring our weather in line with competing states?


  24. - Pelon - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 4:45 pm:

    For those of you who don’t think Illinois’ tax and business climate has contributed to people leaving the state, how do you account for Illinois relative decline in population?


  25. - Plutocrat03 - Sunday, May 31, 09 @ 6:52 pm:

    The legislative puppets are dancing as fast as they can. The special interests who feed their campaigns and supply the armies of door knockers have made their needs for more money known and those are the needs that must be met.

    If the politicians were honest, they would plan for a tax increase that would be abated when the economy improved. Unfortunately the history of Illinois is that of self dealing, special deals for special people and dishonesty in dealing with the public.

    As far as business climate is concerned, how often do you see a company coming to Illinois without unrecoverable subsidies? is usually an announcement that they are relocating away from here.


Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.


* GOP leaders respond to special election push
* This just in... Special session called for January 8
* *** UPDATED x1 - GOMB disputes numbers *** Today's number: 3,000
* Shake this up, please
* On "war zones" and "foreign invasion"
* Topinka memorial roundup
* Question of the day - Golden Horseshoe Awards
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Today's edition of Capitol Fax (use all CAPS in password)
* Yesterday's blog posts

Support CapitolFax.com
Visit our advertisers...

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............


Search This Blog...

Search the 98th General Assembly By Bill Number
(example: HB0001)

Search the 98th General Assembly By Keyword

          
        * LiveBoot v1.00 available for rooted Android devices
        * Coolpad has a backdoor in Android devices, says Palo Alto Networks
        * Archer Diaries lets you train around the world to become archery expert
        * The Week in iOS Apps: The latest from Google, MSN, and more
        * Gold-plated Samsung Note Edge spotted in Vietnam
        * Bank of America Promoting Apple Pay in New Shopping-Focused TV Commercial
        * Tile App now available on Android to help forgetful people

        * You Might Be Blowing Your Nose Too Hard
        * FCC Rejects Argument That “Redskins” Is a Dirty Word
        * Duet Display Mirrors Your Mac's Screen on Your iPad without Lag
        * White House Calls Sony Cyber Attack “Serious National Security Matter”
        * Gadget Lab Podcast: We Say Goodbye to a Good Friend and Traitor
        * Brayola Finds the Perfect Bras Based on Your Favorite Bra
        * Say farewell to 'Colbert Report' with a Google Street View studio tour

        * Loss of Draft picks viewed as good trade for White Sox
        * Windy City revival: Cubs, White Sox revamped for '15
        * ZiPS projections underscore White Sox's riskiest bets
        * AL Central looking like one powerhouse division
        * Samardzija, Lester are right fits in Windy City
        * Samardzija, Lester are right fits in Windy City
        * White Sox offseason momentum transfers to fans

        ...............


        Main Menu
        Home
        Illinois
        YouTube
        Pundit rankings
        Obama
        Subscriber Content
        Durbin
        Burris
        Blagojevich Trial
        Advertising
        Updated Posts
        Polls

        Archives
        December 2014
        November 2014
        October 2014
        September 2014
        August 2014
        July 2014
        June 2014
        May 2014
        April 2014
        March 2014
        February 2014
        January 2014
        December 2013
        November 2013
        October 2013
        September 2013
        August 2013
        July 2013
        June 2013
        May 2013
        April 2013
        March 2013
        February 2013
        January 2013
        December 2012
        November 2012
        October 2012
        September 2012
        August 2012
        July 2012
        June 2012
        May 2012
        April 2012
        March 2012
        February 2012
        January 2012
        December 2011
        November 2011
        October 2011
        September 2011
        August 2011
        July 2011
        June 2011
        May 2011
        April 2011
        March 2011
        February 2011
        January 2011
        December 2010
        November 2010
        October 2010
        September 2010
        August 2010
        July 2010
        June 2010
        May 2010
        April 2010
        March 2010
        February 2010
        January 2010
        December 2009
        November 2009
        October 2009
        September 2009
        August 2009
        July 2009
        June 2009
        May 2009
        April 2009
        March 2009
        February 2009
        January 2009
        December 2008
        November 2008
        October 2008
        September 2008
        August 2008
        July 2008
        June 2008
        May 2008
        April 2008
        March 2008
        February 2008
        January 2008
        December 2007
        November 2007
        October 2007
        September 2007
        August 2007
        July 2007
        June 2007
        May 2007
        April 2007
        March 2007
        February 2007
        January 2007
        December 2006
        November 2006
        October 2006
        September 2006
        August 2006
        July 2006
        June 2006
        May 2006
        April 2006
        March 2006
        February 2006
        January 2006
        December 2005
        April 2005
        March 2005
        February 2005
        January 2005
        December 2004
        November 2004
        October 2004

        Blog*Spot Archives
        November 2005
        October 2005
        September 2005
        August 2005
        July 2005
        June 2005
        May 2005

        Syndication

        RSS Feed 2.0
        Comments RSS 2.0
        WordPress

        Loading


        * Gov. Quinn to lawmakers: Come back to decide co.....
        * Gov. Quinn calls session for comptroller election..
        * Illinois lawmakers to meet in special session..
        * Quinn calls legislative session to consider spe.....
        * On Elected School Boards and Horseshoes..


        * Quincy mother gets 2 years for unlawful restraint
        * Contract to bring 75 jobs to Scott Air Force Base
        * Illinois jobless rate falls to 6.4 percent
        * GOP says Rauner should appoint next comptroller
        * Gov. Quinn calls session for comptroller election
        * George Ryan: Cuba relations will open markets
        * Caterpillar sees Cuba relations as an opportunity
        * Man charged in Illinois gun theft tied to Ferguson
        * Freud's goal: Keep Chicago's Lyric Opera relevant
        * Kraft Foods CEO to retire; Cahill named successor

        * Quinn calls legislature back to Springfield to approve special election to replace Topinka
        * Chicago couple convicted of stealing state grants
        * Topinka remembered as tough, honest leader at memorial service
        * Illinois employers reminded of income-tax rollback
        * Memorial service for Topinka begins in suburban Chicago
        * Police use vacant Jacksonville site to train for worst-case scenarios
        * State-grant fraud case in hands of federal jury
        * Gov.-elect Rauner says some agency directors may stay
        * Attorney blames couple's bookkeeper in state grant fraud case
        * Attorney general: Quinn, Rauner each should name comptrollers, then voters choose in 2016

        * University of Illinois at Chicago names next chancellor
        * Gov. Quinn to lawmakers: Come back to decide comptroller election
        * Quinn to lawmakers: Come back to decide comptroller election
        * AvantCredit lures two consumer lending veterans to board
        * Caterpillar sees Cuba relations as an opportunity


        * IRS head: Budget cuts could delay tax refunds
        * Dead groundhog can't stop Bill de Blasio from getting PETA award
        * Obama calls during 'Ask the Governor' show
        * Playing for dollars and smiles at O'Hare
        * Unions may win hollow victory with pension suit
        * time for new course in Cuba
        * 'Oh god — she's on Twitter'
        * Rauner using out-of-state company for inaugural festivities
        * Emanuel hopeful his pension plan will survive legal challenge
        * Virginia lawmaker who spends nights doing time in jail resigns


        * Travel agent charged in religious trip scam
        * Wisconsin girls in Slenderman case ruled competent to stand trial
        * Northbrook man, 72, arrested on child porn charges
        * Former teller convicted of bank fraud ordered to repay $212K
        * Garrett Popcorn officially loses rights to 'Chicago Mix' name
        * Emanuel heading to Chile for holidays, despite possible criticism
        * 'Amazing Race' finale features Barrington woman
        * South Carolina provost to be next UIC chancellor
        * Quinn wants special election in 2016 on Topinka vacancy
        * Police captain talks of getting shot at standoff: Next time I'll duck better


        * Cook County to join cameras-in-court program
        * IIAA Teaches Life Skills Through Sports
        * Illinois Republican: Cuba Agreement "Good First Step"
        * Unions sue to stop Chicago pension overhaul
        * Durbin leaving Congressional roommates behind
        * In 'up-and-coming' area, what's the tipping point for gentrification?
        * 'Uber-gentrification' a force in Chicago's West Loop
        * Obama: US re-establishing relations with Cuba
        * Obama re-establishing US relations with Cuba
        * Sangamon Auditorium: Beware Second Party Ticket Brokers


        * Quinn calls legislature back to Springfield to approve special election to replace Topinka
        * Bernard Schoenburg: Schmidt considers challenging Sgro for park board president
        * Brian Sauder: Faithful decisions for the holidays
        * Eugene Robinson: The price of being hacked
        * George Will: A Texas-sized license plate dispute
        * Quote of the day: Thursday, Dec. 18, 2014
        * Chicago couple convicted of stealing state grants
        * Topinka remembered as tough, honest leader at memorial service
        * Illinois employers reminded of income-tax rollback
        * Quote of the day: Wednesday, Dec. 17, 2014


        * Chickenpox forces Menard lockdown
        * SIUE prepares to shoot seeds into space
        * Car shipping contract rolls on after court hearing
        * UPDATED: I-57 near Champaign congested from crashes
        * SI Technology opens new office
        * UPDATED: State police handling lots of interstate crashes
        *
        * White County crash closes stretch of Interstate 64 for several hours
        * Streator grade school pushes tax referendum
        * Chickenpox outbreak forces prison lockdown


        * Pizza in 5 minutes. Chain bringing fast-casual pies to Naperville, Schaumburg
        * Key elements of US policy shift toward Cuba
        * New ties with Cuba won't change immigration rules
        * Feds sue NYC over Rikers Island jail violence
        * Bruce and Kris Jenner finalize divorce

        * Lawmakers on Cuba deal’s impact
        * US, Cuba patch torn relations in historic ...
        * Area family receives Congressional Award
        * Davis cheers Cuba move
        * Last Navy frigate at Everett to be decommi...
        * Suspect in Port Angeles toy theft arrested
        * Mark Reardon: Illinois Congressman Rodney ...
        * 121514-blm-loc-1guard
        * The 113th Congress had positives for the S...
        * FCC Agrees To High Speed Internet In Rural...

        * Not much chance of Congress stopping Cuba ......
        * Reaction to release of Alan Gross, future ......
        * Galesburg veterans facility named in honor......

        * Obama signs legislation naming veterans fa......
        * Durbin, Kirk split on Obama’s shift on Cub......
        * Why is he so upset? Because of the secret ......
        * Galesburg VA clinic renamed after Lane Evans...

        * Business School?
        * School of Business?
        * Cameras To Be Allowed in Certain Cook County Courtrooms
        * Quinn Calls Special Session For 2016 Comptroller Election
        * James O’Keefe Interviews the Man Who Discovered Jonathan Gruber Videos
        * Thomas More Society seeks Lerner emails affecting policy towards pro-life groups
        * See you at the IEA Representative Assembly.
        * David Sirota: Rahm exempts city pension deals from ethics rules.
        * Telecom companies expected to push for deregulation and end to land lines
        * O'Keefe and Stossel discuss investigative reporting and Illinois 'eavesdropping' law


        * Governor Quinn Calls Legislative Special Session - Governor Urges Legislature to Set Up 2016 Special Election for Comptroller
        * Governor Quinn Statement Commemorating First Night of Hanukkah
        * Illinois Observes National Impaired Driving Prevention Month - December designated to educate communities about the numerous risks associated with driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs
        * The Illinois Office Of The State Fire Marshal Promotes Fire Safety During The Holiday Season - Christmas Trees and Decorations Could Pose Risks of Fires
        * Honoring Illinois Comptroller Judy Baar Topinka




            Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller