SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      Mobile Version     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact
CapitolFax.com
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
Not buying either argument

Friday, Oct 26, 2012

* This week, Congresswoman Judy Biggert was asked about her vote for the Paul Ryan budget plan, which Democrats have decried as a radical proposal that would “end Medicare as we know it.” Biggert has always campaigned as a moderate, so this Ryan vote was somewhat out of character for her. Her explanation

“The Ryan budget is right because it’s a plan. It’s on the table. And let’s, let’s, we have to move ahead, we can’t just sit there and keep on the spending.”

* Video

Anybody can have a plan. A plan doesn’t mean it’s the right plan.

* Meanwhile, I’m not buying into this spin, but TalkingPointsMemo sure did

Pro Same-Sex-Marriage PAC Backs Candidate Who Equates Gay Marriage With Bigamy, Polygamy

American Unity PAC, a Republican super PAC aimed at expanding support for same-sex marriage, was announced with great fanfare in June. But it may not be living up to the hype: one of the congressional candidates it’s supporting with hundreds of thousands in TV ads is not only publicly opposed to same-sex marriage, she also just equated the practice with polygamy and bigamy.

Rep. Judy Biggert (R-IL) may not be what the establishment who fawned over American Unity PAC had in mind when the group was announced.

At a press conference after a debate Wednesday night, Biggert explained that she’s “close” to supporting same-sex marriage rights, but is “not there yet.” Then she said the issue is best left to the states, equating same-sex marriage laws with the universally-accepted illegal acts of bigamy and polygamy.

“It is a state issue,” Biggert said. “We don’t have polygamy and bigamy and all of these things in the federal government. It’s the states that take care of that.”

Video

Biggert didn’t “equate” the two issues. Marriage, in all its forms, has historically been regulated by the states. Moderate Republicans have in the past several years opposed federal bans on gay marriage. This isn’t exactly new stuff. It’s only in relatively recent history that a push has been made for a federal law to allow gay marriage at the state level. Biggert says she’s moving in that direction, but is not there yet.

* In other news, Charlie Cook has moved this race from “Tossup” to “Lean Democrat.”

- Posted by Rich Miller        


12 Comments
  1. - Liberty First - Friday, Oct 26, 12 @ 11:56 am:

    Why are liberals shocked when they throw all the definitions out the window and then wonder why nothing is defined?


  2. - Oswego Willy - Friday, Oct 26, 12 @ 12:01 pm:

    Illinois Republican Firewall for 3 Incumbent Congressional seats … From “most vulnerable” to “least vulnerable”, according to Oswego Willy

    (That and $4.25 will get you a Starbucks Coffee, and really over $4 dollars for coffee, who pays … sorry, I digress…)

    *Walsh/Duckworth, *Biggert/Foster, *Dold/Schneider

    All 3 could change hands, fairly easily. I had Biggert behind Dold, but now… Biggert looks to be fading fast …


  3. - wordslinger - Friday, Oct 26, 12 @ 12:23 pm:

    –Then she said the issue is best left to the states, equating same-sex marriage laws with the universally-accepted illegal acts of bigamy and polygamy.–

    Polygamy is not a “universally accepted” illegal act, and is, in fact, legal in parts of Africa and Asia. In other areas, bans are not enforced.

    Bigamy is an expressly illegal act in countries with one-spouse laws.

    But I don’t see the connections with monogamous same-sex marriage, at all.

    In a way, an almost de-facto form of polygamy is allowed in the United States. There’s nothing preventing anyone from having relationships with multiple partners. You can only legally be married to one.

    Put it this way: Clint Eastwood, for example, has seven children with five different partners, only two of whom he’s ever married. But he’s supported them all financially at one time or another.

    That could make anyone yell at a stool.


  4. - MrJM - Friday, Oct 26, 12 @ 12:27 pm:

    “The Ponzi scheme is right because it’s a plan. It’s on the table. And let’s, let’s, we have to move ahead, we can’t just sit there and keep on the spending.”

    Come on, Rich! Judy’s argument is iron clad.

    – MrJM


  5. - Unequal - Friday, Oct 26, 12 @ 12:33 pm:

    Ask someone in a binational same-sex couple if this is a federal issue, and you’ll understand why it is so important that DOMA gets overturned. From Immigration Equality: “Unfortunately, under current law, lesbian and gay American citizens and lawful permanent residents are discriminated against and cannot sponsor their spouses or partners for immigration benefits.”


  6. - 47th Ward - Friday, Oct 26, 12 @ 12:36 pm:

    It’s not a state issue as long as the Defense of Marriage Act remains federal law.

    Biggert can’t have it both ways. She voted to require the federal government to enforce DOMA, attempting to force the Obama administration to continue defending the law that renders any state passed marriage equality meaningless in terms of tax status and federal benefits.

    Does she regret that vote? Would she vote to repeal DOMA? Those are better questions to ask her.


  7. - Unequal - Friday, Oct 26, 12 @ 12:41 pm:

    47th ward - exactly. Thank you.


  8. - wordslinger - Friday, Oct 26, 12 @ 12:43 pm:

    In reality, the last time Congress passed a real annual budget — and not just continuing resolutions or omnibus spending bills — was 1996.

    And that’s just for spending that doesn’t include Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and interest on the debt, which have been on automatic pilot.


  9. - Demoralized - Friday, Oct 26, 12 @ 1:15 pm:

    ==Why are liberals shocked when they throw all the definitions out the window and then wonder why nothing is defined? ==

    Why do conservatives care? I thought you were for keeping the goverment out of people’s lives. Get off of your high horse and worry about something more important. If my partner and I married it wouldn’t affect you one bit.


  10. - Skeeter - Friday, Oct 26, 12 @ 2:01 pm:

    “Why are liberals shocked when they throw all the definitions out the window and then wonder why nothing is defined?”

    Interesting. By the way, how do you define “liberty”?


  11. - Shoeless - Friday, Oct 26, 12 @ 2:33 pm:

    She may not have equated same-sex marriage with polygamy, bigamy, et al, but she did draw a link between them by even bringing it up. So why did she need to bring them up at all?


  12. - Chevy owner/Ford County - Friday, Oct 26, 12 @ 2:56 pm:

    Marriage is not exclusively a state issue and hasn’t been since 1862 when congress passed the Morrill Act forbidding plural marriage. The feds have continued asserting their role in marriage with Loving v. Virginia which prevented states from prohibiting inter-racial marriages and of course, DOMA which precludes the federal government from recognizing any marriage other than between one man and one woman at any given time…even if the marriage is sanctioned by one of the states.


Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.


* Today
* We interrupt this break for a special announcement...
* Yesterday's blog posts

Support CapitolFax.com
Visit our advertisers...

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............


Search This Blog...

Search the 98th General Assembly By Bill Number
(example: HB0001)

Search the 98th General Assembly By Keyword

          
        * Domino’s Pizza now accepting Google Wallet
        * OnePlus One exterior design, StyleSwap covers revealed with latest leak
        * IK Multimedia’s iLoud is a Bluetooth speaker even a musician can love
        * How to sync bookmarks with two iCloud accounts
        * The best timekeeping iOS apps
        * The past and promise of the Apple TV
        * Sony Xperia Z2 and Z2 tablet owners can avail of free movies and games

        * Would You Leave Your Job if Your Employer Paid You to Quit?
        * Report: Facebook is announcing a mobile ad network on April 30
        * Lady Gaga Breaks G.U.Y. Down in 10 Helpful GIFS
        * Kindle For Samsung Announced By Amazon And Samsung
        * Raspberry Eye Is The Hackers Version Of Google Glass
        * Download Music and TV Shows in Sequential Order with uTorrent
        * Ultimeyes App Will Help Improve Your Vision

        * Adrian Nieto-John Danks battery an arranged marriage
        * Podcast: Jonah Keri Talks White Sox (and Expos)
        * White Sox Minor League Update: April 20-26
        * Danks heads to mound in series opener against host Tigers
        * White Sox 16, Rangers 2: No sweep, no normalcy
        * Strikeout stands after White Sox challenge
        * Dunn unimpressed with .304 batting average


        Main Menu
        Home
        Illinois
        YouTube
        Pundit rankings
        Obama
        Subscriber Content
        Durbin
        Burris
        Blagojevich Trial
        Advertising
        Updated Posts
        Polls

        Archives
        April 2014
        March 2014
        February 2014
        January 2014
        December 2013
        November 2013
        October 2013
        September 2013
        August 2013
        July 2013
        June 2013
        May 2013
        April 2013
        March 2013
        February 2013
        January 2013
        December 2012
        November 2012
        October 2012
        September 2012
        August 2012
        July 2012
        June 2012
        May 2012
        April 2012
        March 2012
        February 2012
        January 2012
        December 2011
        November 2011
        October 2011
        September 2011
        August 2011
        July 2011
        June 2011
        May 2011
        April 2011
        March 2011
        February 2011
        January 2011
        December 2010
        November 2010
        October 2010
        September 2010
        August 2010
        July 2010
        June 2010
        May 2010
        April 2010
        March 2010
        February 2010
        January 2010
        December 2009
        November 2009
        October 2009
        September 2009
        August 2009
        July 2009
        June 2009
        May 2009
        April 2009
        March 2009
        February 2009
        January 2009
        December 2008
        November 2008
        October 2008
        September 2008
        August 2008
        July 2008
        June 2008
        May 2008
        April 2008
        March 2008
        February 2008
        January 2008
        December 2007
        November 2007
        October 2007
        September 2007
        August 2007
        July 2007
        June 2007
        May 2007
        April 2007
        March 2007
        February 2007
        January 2007
        December 2006
        November 2006
        October 2006
        September 2006
        August 2006
        July 2006
        June 2006
        May 2006
        April 2006
        March 2006
        February 2006
        January 2006
        December 2005
        April 2005
        March 2005
        February 2005
        January 2005
        December 2004
        November 2004
        October 2004

        Blog*Spot Archives
        November 2005
        October 2005
        September 2005
        August 2005
        July 2005
        June 2005
        May 2005

        Syndication

        RSS Feed 2.0
        Comments RSS 2.0
        WordPress

        Loading


        * Internal memo says Illinois Medicaid paid $12 m.....
        * Former Illinois death row inmate details diffic.....
        * 'Quinnocchio' character latest example of troll.....
        * Keep your promise, IL policy group tells lawmakers..


        * Mayors' group pushes for Illinois pension reform
        * WWII ship group wants better Evansville dock
        * Officials: HIV infections on rise in southern Ill.
        * Violent weekend leaves 8 dead in Chicago
        * Search goes on for southern Illinois jail escapee
        * 2 die, 3 hurt in fiery Champaign County crash
        * Kayaker, 26, dies after Fox River accident
        * Kids get codeine in ER despite risks, guidelines
        * Official: 5 children wounded in Chicago drive-by
        * Arrest made in death of Chicago man in Utah

        * Addiction experts: Illinois budget cuts could hurt drug treatment
        * Comptroller Topinka reports $125K in income
        * Bernard Schoenburg: Durbin, Oberweis spar over earmarks, minimum wage
        * Statehouse Insider: It doesn’t always add up in the General Assembly
        * Chicago casino plan draws more support at legislative hearing
        * Video gaming may get its own exclusion list
        * U of I officials seeking to prevent retirement rush
        * U of I asks state legislators to prevent retirement rush; could affect 200 at UIS
        * 2015 tax rates still far from settled
        * Strip club tax brings in much less than expected

        * Hillshire, TreeHouse buying companies
        * Kraft recalls some Oscar Mayer wieners
        * Census: People are leaving all six Chicago-area counties
        * Trixie and Chad have kids!
        * Quinn administration funds Diana Rauner's nonprofit


        * In violent weekend, at least 8 dead, 37 wounded in shootings across Chicago
        * In violent weekend, at least 7 dead, 37 wounded in shootings across Chicago
        * Police SUV flips in crash on S. Side
        * Part of man’s ear bitten off by underage girlfriend’s brother
        * In pre-Easter march, Chicago religious, community activists call for peace
        * 5 kids hurt in drive-by on South Side
        * In violent weekend, at least 7 dead, 36 wounded in shootings across Chicago
        * Credit card fraud boss threatened rival would be ‘cut into pieces’: feds
        * In violent weekend, at least 7 dead, 35 wounded in shootings across Chicago
        * Casino bill must include  Chicago — and safeguards


        * Dad of girl, 11, shot with friends: 'I was scared I'd lose my baby girl'
        * Amid weekend violence, 6 children shot Sunday night
        * Cubs won't make 100-year-old fan wait until next year
        * No joke, Chicago is America's funniest city
        * 2 officers hurt in police SUV crash
        * Logan Square residents lament discovery of abandoned baby's body
        * Man in fatal DUI crash was nearly 3 times over the legal limit, prosecutors say
        * Police: Husband and wife -- both officers -- dead in apparent murder-suicide
        * 'Nothing is ever without hope,' ailing George tells Catholics on Easter
        * Man held on $1 million bail in Friday shooting


        * Illinois Medicaid Paying For The Dead
        * Wait Continues For Schools' Fate Under Proposed New Formula
        * Illinois Finally Gets 'No Child Left Behind' Waiver
        * U Of I: Illinois Pension Overhaul Had Costly Mistake
        * Fish fry dinners bring food, community to Catholics during Lent
        * Listen To State Week - April 18, 2014
        * Murray Center Advocates Win Appeals Decision
        * Employment Improves, But Illinois Still Lags U.S.
        * Nine Illinois lawmakers vote to fund Obama library - but only five members in attendance
        * WBEZ's Student Stories


        * Elizabeth Powers: ‘Easy’ savings in human services? Not really
        * Our Opinion: Don’t drag feet on drone regulation
        * Bernard Schoenburg: Durbin, Oberweis spar over earmarks, minimum wage
        * Bernard Schoenburg: Durbin, Oberweis spar over earmarks, minimum wage
        * Statehouse Insider: It doesn’t always add up in the General Assembly
        * Statehouse Insider: It doesn’t always add up in the General Assembly
        * Armenta L. Johnson: Advocate for quality education to avoid segregation
        * Catherine Walters: Prairie Center Against Sexual Assault notes anniversary, awareness month
        * Video gaming may get its own exclusion list
        * U of I asks state legislators to prevent retirement rush; could affect 200 at UIS


        * Daily business briefing: Charter trying to acquire competitor's assets
        * $10K grant will help university serve veterans
        * Decatur motorcyclist killed in collision
        * Lane closures on U.S. 67 near Camanche
        * Williamson County Regional Airport eyes new terminal building
        * BFD still searching for cause of Saturday fire
        * Simon Institute to host symposium on creative economies
        * Rain, storms return to region
        * Thunderstorms possible Monday afternoon
        * East St. Louis families escape apartment fire


        * The 10th District money race
        * Aurora Democrat calls out IHSA
        * Lawyers: Ill. hazing law vague, unconstitutional
        * Ill. House OKs lower-cost hunting bill for seniors
        * Quinn’s running mate takes new consulting job

        * Gutierrez: If no immigration reform passes...
        * Jesse Jackson Jr. Changes Prisons, Could B...
        * Jesse Jackson Jr Moved to Alabama Prison C...
        * Gutierrez Warns GOP Obama Will Take Action...
        * Why You Should Care About Immigration - Ne...
        * Inmates Sent To Solitary Confinement For H...
        * Xavier Becerra And Luis Gutierrez On Depor...
        * Jesse Jackson Jr. transferred to minimum s...
        * GOP running out of time on immigration ref...
        * School board elections on April 23 Nine ca...

        * Loading Koch Industries Website Too Many T......
        * Maryland and DC among worst for food aller......
        * Cleveland State University to reestablish ......
        * Convicted political boss Al Sanchez runnin......
        * Candidates make last filings for local, st......

        * Illinois Lt. Gov. Simon opposes pension le......
        * Dillard Odd Man Out on Pension Deal Reaction...
        * Sen. Mark Kirk sides with Rauner on pensio......
        * Governor's race infighting threatens pensi......
        * SCHOONERS - Home of Everyone's Favorite Be......

        * The U.S. Government Is Undermining Internet Security
        * The White Sox Report: Attendance Already In Check
        * SportsMonday: Six Degrees Of Playoff Losses
        * Attendance Already In Check
        * Inside The Mind Of A Man Who Killed His Family
        * Sean Burns. Fair tax.
        * These members of the $20 million a year club paid the same Illinois state income tax rate as you did.
        * Chicago Wildfire Catch On With ESPN
        * Cracking The Chicagoland Code 7: We Don't Care How They Do It In New York
        * Who Is The Best Tree Climber In Illinois?


        * Governor Quinn Statement on Easter
        * Governor Quinn Announces Investments to Conserve Lake Michigan Shoreline - Visits Volunteer Beach Clean-up to Announce Investments That Will Support Environmental Education and Stewardship Projects
        * Governor Pat Quinn Takes Clemency Action
        * Proposed Rules for Compassionate Use of Medical Cannabis Pilot Program Act Filed
        * Adopt-A-Highway Spring Cleanup Begins Today - Annual Event Honors Earth Day, Tackles Roadside Litter After Harsh Winter




            Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller