Comments on: *** UPDATED x1 *** *** LIVE *** House committee takes up Madigan’s proposal to cap union contract wages https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/ Your Illinois news radar Tue, 09 Jun 2026 15:30:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: steve schnorf https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233260 Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:34:48 +0000 https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233260 Dave, I hate to ruin your world, but collective bargaining could be completely abolished for public employees, as it is in some other states, and as it was in Illinois until Dan Walker (Exec Order), followed by legislation under JRT. Dave, I hate to ruin your world, but collective bargaining could be completely abolished for public employees, as it is in some other states, and as it was in Illinois until Dan Walker (Exec Order), followed by legislation under JRT.

]]> by: DuPage Dave https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233238 Fri, 16 Nov 2012 00:23:09 +0000 https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233238 I don't think this legislation would withstand a court challenge. How can you put in legislation a limit on what can be agreed to in collective bargaining? If the result is fixed, there is no bargaining, only one side setting the terms. I don’t think this legislation would withstand a court challenge. How can you put in legislation a limit on what can be agreed to in collective bargaining? If the result is fixed, there is no bargaining, only one side setting the terms.

]]> by: walkinfool https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233149 Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:10:54 +0000 https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233149 HJR's are communications devices, to the Gov, and to the legislators on what to expect when the actual appropriations bills are brought forward. If the GA intends to continue to limit how much the Gov can deliver on raises, and he continues to comply, then advanced warning is worthwhile. HJR’s are communications devices, to the Gov, and to the legislators on what to expect when the actual appropriations bills are brought forward. If the GA intends to continue to limit how much the Gov can deliver on raises, and he continues to comply, then advanced warning is worthwhile.

]]> by: western illinois https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233042 Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:12:01 +0000 https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233042 There will be future elections that will determine who gets what and we call these primaries because the GOP looks like it is giving up. Jim Watson is quitting to go fracking and the Jacksonville mayor turned the job down The pay isnt bad and all you have to do is vote no Based on the last election I agree with Newsclown. The unions did very well and so did Derrick Smith(MJM opposed him) There will be future elections that will determine who gets what and we call these primaries because the GOP looks like it is giving up. Jim Watson is quitting to go fracking and the Jacksonville mayor turned the job down
The pay isnt bad and all you have to do is vote no
Based on the last election I agree with Newsclown. The unions did very well and so did Derrick Smith(MJM opposed him)

]]> by: Rusty618 https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233032 Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:59:13 +0000 https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233032 Yep, there was definitely a hidden agenda in the failed amendment. I saw it from the start. And Madigan is trying to get this through when AFSCME negotiations are going on? Well, I guess they are at a stand still. He better be careful or he will have a statewide strike on his hands! Yep, there was definitely a hidden agenda in the failed amendment. I saw it from the start.
And Madigan is trying to get this through when AFSCME negotiations are going on? Well, I guess they are at a stand still. He better be careful or he will have a statewide strike on his hands!

]]> by: cassandra https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233027 Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:53:53 +0000 https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233027 There are negotiations going on now, with AFSCME, albeit momentarily stuck. They are important because the outcome could be some degree of costly for taxpayers over time. Maybe this bill is part of the overall negotiation process. Democrats may have a supermajority but they may not want to march into the future in total lockstep with public employee unions. There will be more elections. Anyway, kudos to whoever is holding tough in those AFSCME negotiations. Yet know that our flip-flopping governor could pull out the rug at any time, especially if he feels to do so would improve his political prospects. There are negotiations going on now, with AFSCME, albeit momentarily stuck. They are important because the outcome could be some degree of costly for taxpayers over time. Maybe this bill is part of the overall negotiation process. Democrats may have a supermajority but they may not want to march into the future in total lockstep with public employee unions. There will be more elections.

Anyway, kudos to whoever is holding tough in those AFSCME negotiations. Yet know that our flip-flopping governor could pull out the rug at any time, especially if he feels to do so would improve his political prospects.

]]> by: Newsclown https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233019 Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:39:14 +0000 https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233019 I don't get why Madigan would antagonize the union like this. I mean, I get it that he CAN, but is this just some posturing for a bill that's never going to make it to law... or is he really trying to bust the contact bargaining process, with all the follow-on chaos that implies. I don’t get why Madigan would antagonize the union like this. I mean, I get it that he CAN, but is this just some posturing for a bill that’s never going to make it to law… or is he really trying to bust the contact bargaining process, with all the follow-on chaos that implies.

]]> by: cassandra https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233012 Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:23:22 +0000 https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233012 Nevertheless, see Illinois Watchdog 11:26 am, revenues are increasing as the economy improves. It will continue to improve. How are we going to use that new money. Taxpayers should get some of it, at least in the sense that we don't get taxed more. And would designating the net increase in revenues to the pension system for the foreseeable future provide a good-enough fix so that current retirees could be left alone, or minimally affected. Better than raising taxes, soaking the retirees, then finding, surprise, we have lots of extra money. Wonder what that'll be spent on. In other words, I guess, it's still who's gonna pay? As middle class taxpayer sans the clout of AFSCME or CME and with no powerful Democrats in the family, I must say, I'm not optimistic. Nevertheless, see Illinois Watchdog 11:26 am, revenues are increasing as the economy improves. It will continue to improve. How are we going to use that new money. Taxpayers should get some of it, at least in the sense that we don’t get taxed more. And would designating the net increase in revenues to the pension system for the foreseeable future provide a good-enough fix so that current retirees could be left alone, or minimally affected. Better than raising taxes, soaking the retirees, then finding, surprise, we have lots of extra money. Wonder what that’ll be spent on.

In other words, I guess, it’s still who’s gonna pay? As middle class taxpayer sans the clout of AFSCME or CME and with no powerful Democrats in the family, I must say, I’m not optimistic.

]]> by: Anon https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233003 Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:14:12 +0000 https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11233003 I thought the bill had been amended to now include language prohibiting any raises for union employees until there are two consecutive years of budget surpluses. I thought the bill had been amended to now include language prohibiting any raises for union employees until there are two consecutive years of budget surpluses.

]]> by: Fan of the Game https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11232987 Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:55:21 +0000 https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11232987 ==If I remember correctly, Mike Madigan was one of those who worked on these changes to the Constitution at the 1970 CON CON== Wouldn't surprise me a bit. ==If I remember correctly, Mike Madigan was one of those who worked on these changes to the Constitution at the 1970 CON CON==

Wouldn’t surprise me a bit.

]]> by: Jechislo https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11232985 Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:53:41 +0000 https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11232985 ===If you allow public sector unions and pander to them over the years and set into the state constitution that pensions are sacrosanct=== If I remember correctly, Mike Madigan was one of those who worked on these changes to the Constitution at the 1970 CON CON. ===If you allow public sector unions and pander to them over the years and set into the state constitution that pensions are sacrosanct===

If I remember correctly, Mike Madigan was one of those who worked on these changes to the Constitution at the 1970 CON CON.

]]> by: Rich Miller https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11232977 Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:48:15 +0000 https://capitolfax.com/2012/11/15/live-house-committee-takes-up-madigans-proposal-to-cap-union-contract-wages/#comment-11232977 ===BTW, is there any discussion of taxing option contracts?=== No. They just gave the exchanges a big tax break to stay here. I highly doubt that they'll turn around and tax contracts. ===BTW, is there any discussion of taxing option contracts?===

No.

They just gave the exchanges a big tax break to stay here. I highly doubt that they’ll turn around and tax contracts.

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