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Tweeting instead of debating

Wednesday, Dec 5, 2012

* A proposal to allow undocumented immigrants to obtain drivers permits sailed through the Senate yesterday on a huge bipartisan vote of 41-16

During 50 minutes of floor debate on the measure, which now moves to the House, only one senator spoke in opposition.

“Equal protection under the law and under the Constitution certainly goes hand in hand with equal responsibility to follow the law. I am in favor of legal immigration but oppose illegal immigration,” said Sen. Chris Lauzen (R-Aurora).

“Now we’re expected to believe that folks who are already breaking the immigration law, the employment law, the traffic laws will now follow the insurance law,” he said.

But other Republicans backed the plan, including Senate Minority Leader Christine Radogno (R-Lemont), who was among 11 members of the Senate GOP to vote for the measure.

Lauzen’s speech…

* But while opponents stayed mostly quiet on the floor, Sen. Kyle McCarter was actively Tweeting during the debate…

I’m really not a fan of this. If you’re gonna Tweet about a debate, at least have the stones to get up and speak your mind to your colleagues.

But maybe I’m wrong. Your thoughts?

* Related…

* GOP support helps move immigrant driver’s licenses

* Illegal immigrant driver’s license getting bipartisan support

* Illinois Republican leaders jump on immigration reform bandwagon

- Posted by Rich Miller        


54 Comments
  1. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:27 am:

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - Hey @CapitolFax!If I want to hide behind my “the twitter” tweets against my colleagues, and look petty, it’s my business & career! #BeingDopeyOnTheFloorOrTweetingIsMyThing


  2. - Colossus - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:27 am:

    Seems to me that Twitter is the official app of the Peanut Gallery.


  3. - PublicServant - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:27 am:

    And this guy was running for Radogno’s job. Nice. A guy who wanted to lead his fellow legislators tweeting behind the scenes. What a stand up guy…err no wait; he didn’t stand up.


  4. - Adam Smith - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:28 am:

    The only difference between McCarter and Lauzen is that Lauzen is not afraid of showing he’s narrow-minded. Chris has raised it to an art form in his completely useless legislative career.

    You are absolutely right, Rich. What is the downside for McCarter to get up and stand up for his principles? Get up there and stoke up the animosity for the fastest growing demographic voting bloc in the nation. Maybe in a few elections, the five votes you got for leader will be a winning majority.


  5. - RookiePhenom - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:30 am:

    While I don’t mind the use of livetweeting during a debate, do one of two things: (1)save it until after the debate and (2) speak up your mind while in session to explain why you think this state is turning into a sanctuary.

    (Perhaps he didn’t want to sound like a dolt on the floor)


  6. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:32 am:

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - That wasn’t me tweeting. My twitter account was hacked by right-wing, narrow minded, exclusionists. Not that I don’t disagree with them…#ItWasMeButWasntMeHiding


  7. - Michelle Flaherty - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:35 am:

    Quinn should put McCarter on campaign payroll.


  8. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:38 am:

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - the Sangamon SA says tweeting, for me, is the best way to be confrontational & out of the SA’s Hair. #DoingTheRightThingLegally

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - Boy, I am surprised people are paying attention to me. But then why are the SGOP Members ignoring me? #TooChickenToSayThingsToTheirFace

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - I asked some of my SGOP collegues about their thoughts on a bill & they told me to watch their “the twitter” accts. #ItsBetterThanWhenTheyIgnoreMyPhoneCalls

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - I know I am right. I want to say it from the Mountain tops…Maybe. #EasyToStandUpForSomethingWhileHiding


  9. - Anonymous - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:39 am:

    Reminds me of the kid in class whispering nasties across the aisle about the kid giving a speech in front of class. Speaking of class, tweeting in such a way shows damn little of it.


  10. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:41 am:

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - I just got great news. @FakePresidentCullerton just said to me “Never worry, I promise, I always want you in the IL Senate.” #JobSecurityBaby


  11. - Five Percenter - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:43 am:

    Just proves the vote for Radogno was the right thing to do. McCarter #fail


  12. - LandSnark - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:43 am:

    After last year and getting the Jacobs “finger push” for standing up against him and ComEd can you really blame the guy? #LessonLearned #Snark


  13. - Small Town Liberal - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:44 am:

    - But maybe I’m wrong. Your thoughts? -

    Nope, not wrong. Twitter is great for keeping people informed and organizing around issues, but it’s not for debate in the GA.

    Ironic that McCarter lambasted (on twitter, of course) his colleagues for not having the courage to oust their leader, but he doesn’t seem to have the courage to get up and speak his mind.


  14. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:46 am:

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - Usually, speeches are given, then tweeted, I find tweeting than never speaking is less dopey. #NeverSaySomethingToSomeonesFaceIfYouCanTweetIt


  15. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:49 am:

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - Let me be quite clear; I will talk to mt colleagues about my tweets, when they let me know where the SGOP is caucusing instead of sending me to the Water Closet! #HoldingMyBreathTillTakenSeriously


  16. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:51 am:

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - I can lead a diverse caucus, guaranteed! As long as they agree w/me, it would’ve worked. #NotTolerantOfTheTolerant


  17. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:53 am:

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - If you re-tweet this on your “the twitter” account, I will read your “the twiiter” handle into the record. #MightAsWellBeProductiveWhileTweeting


  18. - BehindTheScenes - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:55 am:

    What part of the phrase ‘illegal immigrants’ do these 41 not understand? They’re breaking our laws so lets ignore that and reward them. Since a commenter is already calling them ‘the fastest growing demographic voting bloc in the nation’, I suppose letting them vote to expand the benefits the country is already giving them is right around the corner. If we know how many of them there are, why can’t we round them up and put them on a bus back home and let them come back to the land of opportunity the correct and legal way?


  19. - schwartzee - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:57 am:

    He should have said something on the floor. Tweeting during the debate was so juvenile.
    Also, I’m not picking on anyone in particular, I would just like to ask people to consider this - no human being is illegal. Please read this article and think about it before you refer to someone as an “illegal” again.


  20. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:57 am:

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - I have the pulse of what the people of IL want! #WhereDoYouCheckForAPulseAgain


  21. - Small Town Liberal - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:58 am:

    - why can’t we round them up and put them on a bus back home and let them come back to the land of opportunity the correct and legal way? -

    Maybe a big brain like you can come up with a feasible way to do that. I’ll keep an eye out for the headlines.


  22. - Sophomore - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:59 am:

    Brady’s last minute pandering to illegals will not get him elected Governor. All he is doing is eroding his already skeptical base.


  23. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 9:59 am:

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - Reminder to all my SGOP colleagues; I will be having a reception for my dear frieds, in all of your honor tonight. Don’t be late. #TableForOne


  24. - schwartzee - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 10:00 am:

    I meant to actually post this article:
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/05/opinion/garcia-illegal-immigrants/index.html


  25. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 10:06 am:

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - I do NOT want all my colleagues to be the same, I just want all of them to either be exactly LIKE me, or love me! #DuhItsAlwaysAboutMe


  26. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 10:12 am:

    lol

    ===”Kyle McCarter‏@SenatorMcCarter - will get recording of Sen. Lauzen’s comments on floor & post. spot on. I could not have said it better. Sen. Lauzen will be missed.”===

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - Because Sen. Lauzen has a backbone to say what I want to, but can only tweet. Sen. Lauzen will be missed, indeed! #LeaveYourBackboneTakeTheCannoli


  27. - just sayin' - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 10:14 am:

    “If you’re gonna Tweet about a debate, at least have the stones to get up and speak your mind to your colleagues.”

    Totally agree Rich. McCarter just reminds people why he was a nonstarter even when it came to replacing a weak and ineffective Radogno. Imagine any real leader in history just hanging back and tweeting.

    @honestabe - someone should really do something about this whole slavery thing.


  28. - Darienite - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 10:15 am:

    Isn’t Lauzen a lame-duck, as he just got elected as the Kane County Board Chairman? And doesn’t Elgin and Aurora have sizeable Hispanic populations? Look for the Kane County Dems to be planning for 2016.


  29. - Dan Shields, Springfield, IL - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 10:17 am:

    When I took the required drivers education course in high school I was taught that being issued a drivers license and driving were privileges, privileges that could be removed do to illegal behavior. So now our lawmakers want to reward illegal behavior with a privilege, this makes absolutely no sense what so ever. How can this demographic be a voting bloc when they are not even US citizens. This entire issue just baffles me.


  30. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 10:21 am:

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - Boy, as a Leader, I wish I could BE a leader and stuff, like even talking during debate. Maybe next time. #StandingUpToBeCountedIsTooToughTweetingIsEasier


  31. - Just Me - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 10:24 am:

    Just what we need: more Congress-like behavior.


  32. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 10:25 am:

    === privileges that could be removed do to illegal behavior===

    Driving-related illegal behavior. People on parole can get drivers licenses.


  33. - Norseman - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 10:40 am:

    I agree with so many others that he should have had the stones to speak. However, it doesn’t surprise me.

    Unfortunately, we are now living in the world of social media. The art of oratory and verbal communication is becoming a lost one.


  34. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 10:47 am:

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - For all those railing against me, how about you stand up and say that to my fa … uh, nevermind. #CowardlyLionWasOntoSomething


  35. - walkinfool - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 10:52 am:

    These are not “illegals” who are “breaking our laws” for which they are being “rewarded”. What blind nonsense!

    They are human beings, who immigrated without proper documentation and thereby broke a law probably years ago (just like many of our licensed drivers,) and we want to regulate their driving for public safety purposes.


  36. - MrJM - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 11:06 am:

    The tweeters are presuming that their Twitter noise can rally the base without alienating/motivating Hispanic voters.

    Speaking in opposition, on the floor, on the record, like a grownup, would come with a political price that these heroes are not willing to pay.

    – MrJM


  37. - Long Time Listener - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 11:28 am:

    I actually prefer Senator McCarter to tweet his inane thoughts rather than shouting them on the floor and wasting everyone’s time.


  38. - Formerly Known As... - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 11:56 am:

    Rich, you hit the nail on the head.

    It is one thing to critique legislation you refrain from speaking on.

    It is quite another to cheerlead or criticize your colleagues’ specific comments via twitter as you personally utter not. one. single. word.

    Maybe next time Senator McCarter can hold up a green or red crayon on the floor to express his approval or displeasure with the comments of his peers.


  39. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 12:08 pm:

    @fakeSenatorMcCarter - I heard some SGOP members were talking about me during study hall. Wait till I see them @ lunch. I might even ignore them. #ActLikeAKidTreatedLikeAKid


  40. - Lil Enchilada - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 12:29 pm:

    Guess you have to consider the source…
    love your comment Long Time Listener.


  41. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 12:31 pm:

    @FakeSenatorMcCarter - Hey, why is everyone calling me “Yellow Button”. That makes no sense! #YellowButtonIsTheChickenButtonRight


  42. - wordslinger - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 1:01 pm:

    – why can’t we round them up and put them on a bus back home and let them come back to the land of opportunity the correct and legal way? –

    Because we desperately need them to do the tough, dirty jobs that enable the rest of us to go about our business every day.

    –So now our lawmakers want to reward illegal behavior with a privilege, this makes absolutely no sense what so ever. How can this demographic be a voting bloc when they are not even US citizens. This entire issue just baffles me.–

    Dan, I’m sure many things baffle you.

    Try to follow:

    When chowder-headed politicians demonize a class of hard-working people on the basis of race, those of that race who are citizens, and can vote, tend to notice, and act accordingly.

    Kind of like Cook County voters. If politicians are dumb enough to constantly insult the largest and richest group of voters, they reap what they sow.


  43. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 1:55 pm:

    ===Kind of like Cook County voters. If politicians are dumb enough to constantly insult the largest and richest group of voters, they reap what they sow.===

    It’s all “Dem”, there are no “Repubs” to find!

    I just hope that Senator McCarter is not in charge or “Voter Outreach”, but then again, Senator McCarter might chicken out again, say nothing and tweet.

    Facebook and Twitter are Forever.


  44. - Lobo Y Olla - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 2:52 pm:

    “Dan, I’m sure many things baffle you.”

    OK, 1st time I’ve laughed out loud reading this blog.

    That merits a cocktail.


  45. - wishbone - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 3:09 pm:

    ““Now we’re expected to believe that folks who are already breaking the immigration law, the employment law, the traffic laws will now follow the insurance law,” he said.”

    It may not guarantee they will follow the law, but at least it gives them the opportunity to follow the law.


  46. - Logic - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 4:04 pm:

    It’s funny that you enlightened intellectuals have a bigger issue with someone tweeting in protest instead of people in our state illegally who happen to frequently tap into financial resources provided by the taxpayers who are legally here. For all you know, the SGOP “leadership” might have mandated silence from the caucus.

    Your lack of logic and the inane things you choose to focus on are contributing factors to the financial and economic mess this state is in.

    Why don’t we get back to basics? Spend less than you make. Along those lines, don’t provide services and benefits to people who come to this country illegally. It’s one thing to say that it’s financially impossible to remove the illegals; it’s another thing to say that it’s financially impossible to halt financial support for them.


  47. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 4:09 pm:

    Logic, this is the third post this week alone on this bill. We’ve already debated the merits. We’ve also had a question of the day. Either keep up or go away.


  48. - Logic - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 4:11 pm:

    That’s the best response you have, Rich? Enlightened and illuminating.


  49. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 4:14 pm:

    Logic, we can only debate an issue so much days in a row before it gets stale. Even Squeezy got stale. Other angles are needed. If you don’t like it, there’s the door.


  50. - Logic - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 4:22 pm:

    Why don’t you talk about something substantive instead of Twitter/debate etiquette?


  51. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 4:29 pm:

    Sigh.

    We have adressed the substance of this issue several times over several days.

    It’s not my fault that you are too dense to comprehend this fact.

    It is my fault for letting you ignorantly highjack this thread, however. That will be fixed.


  52. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 4:31 pm:

    ===It’s funny that you enlightened intellectuals have a bigger issue with someone tweeting in protest…===

    Sen. McCarter was elected to DEBATE an issue, not TWEET while others DEBATE … that is the issue. If Sen. McCarter feels Tweeting is more important, and letting a Lame duck member make all his points, why the heck is he in the IL Senate.


  53. - Elder - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 7:10 pm:

    McCarter is losing Lauzen…. but all is not lost!!! Oberweis to the rescue!!!!


  54. - Boone Logan Square - Wednesday, Dec 5, 12 @ 7:27 pm:

    McCarter’s tweeting served him so well in the leadership battle, why stop now?


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