SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      Mobile Version     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact
CapitolFax.com
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
Today’s number: 13 percent

Thursday, Jan 3, 2013

* A recent Public Policy Polling survey of 500 Illinois voters shows overwhelming support for the concept of requiring publicly traded corporations to disclose their state income tax payments. According to the poll, 79 percent think it’s a good idea, including 75 percent of Republicans. Also, 68 percent say corporations don’t pay enough state income taxes. Click here to see the full poll, with crosstabs.

I wasn’t hugely surprised by the results. But check out this question

Do you think that most Illinois politicians better represent the interests of the people in their district, or more the interests of large corporations and their lobbyists?

People in their district………………………………. 13%

Large corporations/their lobbyists…………….. 70%

Represent both equally…………………………….. 5%

Not sure…………………………………………………. 12%

I probably shouldn’t be surprised by that result either, but, whoa, baby.

- Posted by Rich Miller        


24 Comments
  1. - Vasyl Markus - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 11:35 am:

    Not surprising. When I was down there, the question about a bill or policy was always, “Who supports it?” The question was rarely, “Is this is a good thing?”


  2. - walkinfool - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 11:37 am:

    “Large corporations/their lobbyists”

    – not the overwhelming bulk of small and medium-sized businesses who represent the most jobs and potential for job growth in our state. Let’s not overreact and even consider throwing out the baby with the bathwater.


  3. - wordslinger - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 11:42 am:

    They must have been paying attention to that CME/Sears kabuki dance last year. And the chronic “job-creating” corporate grants passed out by headline-hungry governors and mayors.


  4. - Anonymous - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 11:47 am:

    Off subject Rich. But I was wondering if the Tribune ever released the tape of Beverly Ascaridis. You were pretty sure John Chase was not lying and it would be proven with the tape ?


  5. - Sunshine - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 11:56 am:

    I have never for once considered that the poll results would show anything different.

    Large corporations and big donors keep these folks in office and provide them numerous perks.

    Joe and Jane Schmo simply are led to believe the campaign barrages and most know little or nothing of the person for whom they are voting. Large interest groups/lobbyists and corporations are keenly aware of whose vote they need, and they buy it through contributions, direct or indirect, campaign support, trips, meals, gifts, etc.

    Am I saying our elected representatives of the people are bought and paid for….I think so! So what’s new?


  6. - Just Observing - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 12:00 pm:

    Both poll questions are somewhat meaningless as most of the public really doesn’t grasp the nuances of those issues.


  7. - Crime Fighter - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 12:09 pm:

    “Am I saying our elected representatives of the people are bought and paid for…. I think so! So what’s new?”
    What’s New? The poll shows that many are no longer buying into the tea partyesque mythical status of the oppressed corporation and their disenfranchised millionaires. This indicates that aggressive propaganda campaigns by the Chamber, the Tribbies, Civic Federation, and the like haven’t won hearts and minds.


  8. - wordslinger - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 12:19 pm:

    –Both poll questions are somewhat meaningless as most of the public really doesn’t grasp the nuances of those issues.–

    The nuances being that most large public corporations in Illinois pay oogats in corporate income tax and they don’t want anyone to know.

    No, I think they understand the nuances.


  9. - foster brooks - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 12:21 pm:

    The way they cater to Commonwealth Edison is proof this pole is dead on.


  10. - Pot calling kettle - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 12:30 pm:

    The more telling question would be: “Do you think that your State Representative (or State Senator) better represents the interests of the people in your district, or more the interests of large corporations and their lobbyists?” (Would need to be cross-tabbed with party affiliation.)

    The vague “all politicians are corrupt” is usually followed with “but our rep does a great job for us.”


  11. - Plutocrat03 - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 12:56 pm:

    Kind of shows the level of understanding the public has of what is going on.

    The ‘blame’, if you want to use that term comes from how the print and electronic media present and amplify certain issues, leaning toward the easy story and the public for simply not focusing on what is going on because they have lives to live.

    It is laughable to consider that the legislature is biased toward corporations while billions of tax dollars are funneled to things constituents want. Shows how effective the populist argument of demonizing the corporations has been.


  12. - Dan Johnson - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 12:59 pm:

    I hope the House passes the bill next week. I would like our profitable large corporations to quit sticking the bill for state government on small businesses and individuals. I’m glad the Senate passed President Cullerton’s bill last month.


  13. - Norseman - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 1:02 pm:

    “oogats” - have to add that one to my dictionary.

    However, I have to agree with Word that the folks DO understand. The real problem is that the elected officials don’t understand.


  14. - Five Percenter - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 1:14 pm:

    So it still won’t stop legislators and Patsie Quinn from cutting side deals that many small businesses would never get. Same old kabuki theater for the ILGA.


  15. - wordslinger - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 1:41 pm:

    –It is laughable to consider that the legislature is biased toward corporations while billions of tax dollars are funneled to things constituents want. Shows how effective the populist argument of demonizing the corporations has been. –

    In FY12, individual income taxes were $17B and corporate incomes taxes were $3B. Who’s paying for what?

    I’d laugh myself silly with that non-bias and demonization any day of the week.


  16. - Left Leaner - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 2:06 pm:

    Now that’s one heck of a PR problem - for all of them!


  17. - justbabs - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 2:45 pm:

    I used to be one of the “but my legislator is great.” No longer. The redistricting has provided me with a rep who cannot think for herself. Follows the leader-always. Primary opponent came close last March. We’ll have to try again. Final thought, if 13% of Illinoisans think it, imagine what the rest of the country thinks.


  18. - Cincinnatus - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 2:49 pm:

    There is a rational economic argument that there should be zero corporate tax rate since those costs are just passed to the consumers as higher prices, and the stock holders as lower dividends, both of which are already hit with sales or income/capital gains taxes.


  19. - wordslinger - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 2:53 pm:

    –There is a rational economic argument that there should be zero corporate tax rate since those costs are just passed to the consumers as higher prices, and the stock holders as lower dividends, both of which are already hit with sales or income/capital gains taxes–

    No, there’s really not, unless you’re talking about monopolies and have repealed the law of supply and demand.

    Consumers and businesses can always choose to spend their dollars with the competition or in other categories altogether.

    Much more goes into pricing margins than tax expenses.


  20. - reformer - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 3:14 pm:

    Since legislators raise far more campaign donations from corporations and lobbyists than from their constituents, it’s not surprising that the public assumes lawmakers put the special interest above the public interest.


  21. - Crime Fighter - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 3:19 pm:

    -There is a rational economic argument that there should be zero corporate tax rate since those costs are just passed to the consumers as higher prices, and the stock holders as lower dividends, both of which are already hit with sales or income/capital gains taxes. -

    This is the same argument that is used on the national level to give very profitable oil companies tax breaks. However this argument, among other things, doesn’t contemplate the huge common costs that must be recovered (or borrowed)from elsewhere. In this example, corporations cause huge costs in the form of the defense budget, environmental degradation,infrastructure and safety.


  22. - Just Observing - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 3:47 pm:

    === The nuances being that most large public corporations in Illinois pay oogats in corporate income tax and they don’t want anyone to know. No, I think they understand the nuances. ===

    === I have to agree with Word that the folks DO understand. The real problem is that the elected officials don’t understand. ===

    Ask those that were polled:

    1. What is the current tax rate for corporations?
    2. What are the current disclosure requirements for publicly traded corporations?
    3. How will the public benefit from greater disclosure?
    4. Should publicly traded and private corporations have similar disclosures, and why?

    You will get a whole lot of blank of stares.

    I’m not taking a position one way or the other, but polling a bunch of people that have no clue is not very valuable.


  23. - Norseman - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 5:42 pm:

    === You will get a whole lot of blank of stares.

    I’m not taking a position one way or the other, but polling a bunch of people that have no clue is not very valuable. ===

    So are you advocating a qualifying test before someone can respond to a poll?

    Polls are intended to provide information on what people are thinking. Everyone reading a poll needs to be wary of methodology and logic issues.

    With respect to this question, I’ve seen plenty examples affirming their belief that elected officials “better represent” the interests of large corporations than constituents. Even so, I know it is not as simplistic in reality. You have other opinion leaders in play as well, i.e. unions and other special interest groups. You will see solons recognize and respond to issues unique to a large portion of their district. A prime example is the recognition by Springfield area legislators that voting in favor of pension restructuring would be adverse to a large segment of their constituents and therefore they are wisely opposed knowing to be otherwise would endanger their reelection chances.

    I interpret the results of this question as an expression of frustration with their elected officials.


  24. - Wilson Pickett - Thursday, Jan 3, 13 @ 7:40 pm:

    Only 70%? I thought it would be higher.


Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.


* $3 million in one pop from Rauner
* Reader comments closed for the weekend
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - State House fundraising report
* *** UPDATED x1 *** Has the haymaker punch arrived?
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - State Senate fundraising report
* Third straight poll shows Rauner leading Quinn
* Last call for tickets!
* Vast Majority of Illinois Voters Support Renewable Energy, Energy Efficiency
* Sun-Times reporters want you to sign their petition
* Same song, different century
* Question of the day
* Quinn finally wins a newspaper endorsement!
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Today's cable TV buy report
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Supplement to today’s edition: Crosstabs, TV ads
* Report: Another tie between Rauner and CS-T chairman
* Bost's "anger," Cook's ratings, Foster's ad
* $580 MILLION EXELON RATE HIKE?? That’s the price tag for their nuke bailout…EVERY YEAR!
* *** UPDATED x1 *** Rauner pumping dollars
* Rauner pushing IDOT back into the news stream
* Gov. Quinn runs new TV ad featuring FLOTUS
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Today's edition of Capitol Fax (use all CAPS in password)
* No, your eyes didn't deceive you
* Good morning!
* Yesterday's blog posts

Support CapitolFax.com
Visit our advertisers...

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............


Search This Blog...

Search the 98th General Assembly By Bill Number
(example: HB0001)

Search the 98th General Assembly By Keyword

          
        * CurrentC Is The Big Retailers’ Clunky Attempt To Kill Apple Pay And Credit Card Fees
        * Google Nexus 9, Nexus 6, iPad Air 2 comments & more – Pocketnow Daily Recap
        * Android Lollipop imminent, new Nexuses nearing, no more Nokia | Pocketnow Weekly 119
        * U.K. Startup Swytch Is Building An App To Open Up The ‘Burner’ Phone Number Market
        * Lockdown Pro allows selectively locking almost any app
        * Pronto Fast Charge battery gives a full charge in 5 minutes
        * GunFinger is a zombie shooter with fun shooting gameplay

        * This Week's Top Downloads
        * The Most Germ-Infested Item in the Office Might Be the Coffee Pot
        * CVS, Rite Aid Shut Down Support for Apple Pay
        * Know How to Spot the Signs of a Hidden Handgun
        * Twitter Acquires Twitpic's Archive, Saga Finally Ends
        * Add Public Transportation to Your Weight Loss Plans
        * Nexus 6 Passes Through the FCC

        * World Series Game 4: Notes and discussion
        * A 15-GIF salute to Moises Sierra's White Sox career
        * Konerko caps stellar career with Clemente Award
        * Konerko caps stellar career with Clemente Award
        * World Series Game 3: Notes and discussion
        * Rollins, Konerko named co-winners of Clemente Award
        * Alexei Ramirez and Adam Eaton Gold Glove finalists, but maybe not f...


        Main Menu
        Home
        Illinois
        YouTube
        Pundit rankings
        Obama
        Subscriber Content
        Durbin
        Burris
        Blagojevich Trial
        Advertising
        Updated Posts
        Polls

        Archives
        October 2014
        September 2014
        August 2014
        July 2014
        June 2014
        May 2014
        April 2014
        March 2014
        February 2014
        January 2014
        December 2013
        November 2013
        October 2013
        September 2013
        August 2013
        July 2013
        June 2013
        May 2013
        April 2013
        March 2013
        February 2013
        January 2013
        December 2012
        November 2012
        October 2012
        September 2012
        August 2012
        July 2012
        June 2012
        May 2012
        April 2012
        March 2012
        February 2012
        January 2012
        December 2011
        November 2011
        October 2011
        September 2011
        August 2011
        July 2011
        June 2011
        May 2011
        April 2011
        March 2011
        February 2011
        January 2011
        December 2010
        November 2010
        October 2010
        September 2010
        August 2010
        July 2010
        June 2010
        May 2010
        April 2010
        March 2010
        February 2010
        January 2010
        December 2009
        November 2009
        October 2009
        September 2009
        August 2009
        July 2009
        June 2009
        May 2009
        April 2009
        March 2009
        February 2009
        January 2009
        December 2008
        November 2008
        October 2008
        September 2008
        August 2008
        July 2008
        June 2008
        May 2008
        April 2008
        March 2008
        February 2008
        January 2008
        December 2007
        November 2007
        October 2007
        September 2007
        August 2007
        July 2007
        June 2007
        May 2007
        April 2007
        March 2007
        February 2007
        January 2007
        December 2006
        November 2006
        October 2006
        September 2006
        August 2006
        July 2006
        June 2006
        May 2006
        April 2006
        March 2006
        February 2006
        January 2006
        December 2005
        April 2005
        March 2005
        February 2005
        January 2005
        December 2004
        November 2004
        October 2004

        Blog*Spot Archives
        November 2005
        October 2005
        September 2005
        August 2005
        July 2005
        June 2005
        May 2005

        Syndication

        RSS Feed 2.0
        Comments RSS 2.0
        WordPress

        Loading


        * Gov. Quinn welcomes home Illinois National Guar.....
        * No Mandatory Ebola Quarantine In Mass...
        * Pat Quinn imposes mandatory 21-day Ebola quaran.....
        * U.S. nurse quarantined over Ebola criticizes he.....
        * No Mandatory Ebola Quarantine In Massachusetts..
        * Animals Flunk These Candidates..
        * Southern Illinois residents rally, wait for fra.....
        * Experts: Quarantines may dissuade Ebola volunteers..
        * Church of Pastor Corey Brooks burglarized after.....


        * Across US, Dems enlist Latinas for top of ballot
        * Few details offered on quarantines over Ebola
        * State Farm seeks to test drones in Illinois
        * Costly Capitol renovations recognized for design
        * Chicago Fire Department hired few blacks in 2014
        * Illinois lieutenant governor candidates on issues
        * Illinois lieutenant governor candidates bios
        * Lieutenant governor picks hope to help lead
        * Chicago Fire Department hired few blacks in 2014
        * Coroner's jury: July SWAT shooting justified

        * Feminist Gloria Steinem endorses Quinn for governor
        * Madigan, Rauner spend big on Illinois House races
        * Officials rethink early vote-counting after Madigan ruling
        * Minimum wage increase supporters urge early voting
        * Sun-Times political reporter resigns following Rauner complaint
        * Minimum wage hike supporters urge early voting
        * Federal judge orders court-appointed monitor for IDOT hiring
        * Rep. Raymond Poe to undergo stem cell transplant
        * Bill Clinton campaigns for Quinn, Durbin
        * Quinn, Rauner spar over jobs, taxes

        * Why the Chicago-Illinois tech startup partnership won't be easy
        * Republican hopes fade for a comeback in U.S. House races
        * Jennifer Pritzker talks about a year of change
        * How much money do Exelon's nukes really make?
        * Shopping startup Trunk Club sizes up the women's market


        * Enthusiastic student Stan Kij, 25, dies of stomach cancer
        * Judge rejects Pistorius comparison, gives 17-year sentence in murder-for-hire plot
        * Keep it peaceful in Ferguson, Mo.
        * Why wasn’t Ebola doc kept under scrutiny?
        * Editorial: Bruce Rauner for governor
        * Back to the past with mayor’s move
        * Illinois needs better way to deal with terminally ill inmates
        * At panel on school closings, board acknowledges more planning needed
        * Marina City residents reminded to watch their step during Wallenda’s walk
        * Republican senators question Quinn’s IDOT scandal response


        * 3 hurt in daytime shootings Saturday
        * 2 held after boy, 13, fatally shot in Gary
        * Man charged with failing to reveal he had HIV to partner
        * Man charged with possession of child porn
        * Man held on $1M bail in August slaying on South Side
        * $500K bail for man accused of taking semi, critically injuring cyclist
        * 1st phase of $719 million Tri-State, I-57 interchange opens
        * $1M bail for teen charged in fatal Englewood shooting
        * 2 dead, 8 hurt in shootings Friday into Saturday
        * Illinois orders mandatory Ebola quarantine for high-risk travelers


        * Listen to State Week - October 24, 2014
        * 2014 Election Coverage: Citizens, here's your homework!
        * 2 dead, including gunman, in high school shooting
        * Prosecutors want more of indicted police commander’s 'bad acts' in court
        * Prosecutors want more of indicted police commander's 'bad acts' in court
        * Bedrock 66: Charlie Parr Plays Springfield Friday
        * Oberweis Would Back Federal Same Sex Marriage Law
        * Wild Bison Return To IL
        * Scary Story: The Diviner by Susan Vondrak
        * Artist Profile: Local Troubadour Tom Irwin


        * Michael Bromberg: Benedictine looking ahead at changes in higher ed
        * Charles Krauthammer: Barack Obama, aggrieved bystander
        * Feminist Gloria Steinem endorses Quinn for governor
        * Madigan, Rauner spend big on Illinois House races
        * Our Opinion: Bell, Manar, Davidsmeyer endorsed in state legislative races
        * Craig Burns: Honesty, integrity in great supply at CWLP
        * E.J. Dionne: Ebola, pandering and courage
        * Esther Cepeda: Benefits of closing the word gap
        * Officials rethink early vote-counting after Madigan ruling
        * Our Opinion: Frerichs has the expertise to be Illinois treasurer


        * Scary run
        * State Farm seeks to test drones in Illinois
        * Triopia makes playoffs
        * LIVE! Back at Huff
        * Wally finds some Belleville companies just didn't last long
        * Devil's Kitchen Water District lifts boil order in Grassy Road area
        * Prep football Top 10: Newcomers enter after final week
        * Durbin says he'll 'get to the bottom' of why Transcom contractor is shipping cars late
        * Chicago Fire Department hired few blacks in 2014
        * Speakers: Voting, voter education crucial for African Americans


        * Ebola nurse first quarantine, not happy
        * Westminster Christian finishes season with a big win
        * St. Viator nets Class 2A regional title
        * Costume contest just one of the attractions at BatFest
        * Runners fend off undead in Bartlett zombie run

        * Patrick Cannon defense strategy rare but n...
        * Feds fine Jesse Jackson Jr.'s campaign com...
        * Ex-Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. faces sen...
        * Representative Jan Schakowsky Sends Letter...
        * Rep. candidate pushes to uphold marriage b...
        * Reps. Schakowsky and Waxman Introduce Bill...
        * Statement by Representative Jan Schakowsky...
        * U.S. House Passes Resolution Condemning An...
        * FAA Rejects Call For New O'Hare Noise Stud...
        * Representatives Quigley, Duckworth, Schako...

        * Our View: 17th Congress: Cheri Bustos...
        * Our View: 17th Congress: Cheri Bustos...
        * Our View: 17th Congress: Cheri Bustos...
        * Our View: 17th Congress: Cheri Bustos...
        * Our View: 17th Congress: Cheri Bustos...

        * Sen. Mark Kirk helps introduce anti-cyberb......
        * Bruce Rauner & Carly Fiorina Inspire Downe......

        * Great School Tips You Require To Know About
        * The Weekend In Chicago Rock
        * Anatomy Of A Tribune Editorial
        * More Illinois voters report machine switching votes from Dem to GOP
        * More Illinois voters report machine switching votes from GOP to Dem
        * Clowns With Sex Toys Attacked Illinois Family
        * Oberweis: DOJ needs to investigate threats against Pastor Corey Brooks and his family
        * More reports on potential voting fraud in Rock Island County, Illinois
        * More reports of potential voting fraud in Rock Island County, Illinois
        * Have You Seen This Young Woman?


        * Governor Quinn Announces Major Expansion of Public Recreational Access at Lake Calumet - Project Will Be Centerpiece of Governor’s Millennium Reserve Initiative
        * Governor Quinn Welcomes Illinois National Guard Brigade Home from Kuwait - Illinois’ 108th Sustainment Brigade Returns from Deployment
        * Rauner rips Quinn on IDOT patronage oversight
        * Governor Quinn Announces Winners of 2014 Illinois Export Awards - State’s Trade Programs Help Companies Increase Global Sales
        * Governor Quinn Directs Illinois Department of Public Health to Require Quarantine to Protect Against Ebola




            Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller