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Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013

*** UPDATE *** From Tom Kasich’s column

“I like guns and I didn’t take any special interest money and it’s a good way to raise money and show my support for the Second Amendment,” explained Harms. “(Candidates) usually don’t do raffles because it’s a lot easier to get a thousand bucks out of a lobbyist than it is to sell a $5 raffle ticket.” […]

Raffles by political candidates in Illinois are legal, said Rupert Borgsmiller, executive director of the State Board of Elections, as long as candidates get an application in advance and file a report after the raffle.

And Harms, who had a similar raffle last year, has done both, Borgsmiller said. […]

Harms’ last raffle yielded $983. He sold $2,865 of tickets minus $1,881 spent to purchase the guns, according to his raffle report.

This time, Harms’ father, Jeff Harms, purchased the guns and two gift certificates to a Big R store and donated them to his son’s campaign fund.

[ *** End Of Update *** ]

* From freshman state Rep. Josh Harms’ campaign website

WE ARE RAFFLING A

Ruger Mini-14 stainless steel with a synthetic stock as GRAND PRIZErugermini14

JOSH HARMS

ILLINOIS STATE REPRESENTATIVE

DRAWING TO BE HELD ON MARCH 2, 2013

MUST BE 21 YEARS OF AGE • MUST BE ELIGIBLE TO OWN A GUN

First Prize – Ruger LCR hammerless 357mag revolverRuger

Second Prize - Mossberg 535 pump 3 1/2 inch combo 28” & 24” barrels mossberg535

Third prize - $100.00 Big R gift certificate Fourth Prize - $50.00 Big R gift certificate

WINNERS WILL BE CALLED AND YOU NEED NOT BE PRESENT TO WIN.

To obtain tickets send payment to:

Josh Harms for Illinois, 555 South Fifth St., Watseka IL 60970

For more in formation call: 815-432-3121

$5.00 PER TICKET OR $20.00 FOR 5 TICKETS

A copy of our report filed with the State Board of Elections is (or will be) available on the Board’s official website (http:// www.elections.il.gov) or for purchase from the State Board of Elections, Springfield, Illinois. Paid for by Josh Harms for Illinois.

- Posted by Rich Miller        


64 Comments
  1. - State Worker - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 8:56 am:

    I would vote for this guy and buy a few tickets.


  2. - OneMan - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 8:57 am:

    Raffle date moved up three weeks so you will still be able to take possesion of the prize…


  3. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:02 am:

    Isn’t this the “Freshman” who wants to divide the House and Senate maps, that will not marry 2 reps in 1 senate district?

    I am asking becasue anyone, at this point, who wants to Maps not congruent AND this raffle, yikes, someone tackle this poor guy, Harms ain’t going to make it to State Fair without a nervous breakdown!


  4. - just sayin' - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:03 am:

    New standard for tin ear.

    btw, did he file his special notice with the state board of elections re a raffle? Don’t know if there is any other special paperwork when the first prize is a 357 magnum handgun.


  5. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:09 am:

    Harms’ attorney, Willy Wonka stated, “No, no, they can’t hold you (Harms) responsible”

    ———

    The winner, Tommy DiSimone is quoted as saying, “I’m a good shot. What do you want from me?”

    ———–

    When asked about the raffle, Rep. Harms said, “Well, it’s a shot in the dark.”

    Rep. Harms, wanted to have a gun raffle, because, if you raffle a knife, he wants to raffle a gun. THAT’S the Chicago way.

    Guns don’t kill people, Raffles kill people?


  6. - Enemy of the State - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:12 am:

    Rich, is this for real? Can I buy some tickets?


  7. - Roadiepig - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:15 am:

    Third and fourth prize (Big R gift certificates) good only for ammunition or really sharp knives


  8. - OurMagician - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:18 am:

    Harms Arms Raffle Winners With Potentially Harmful Prizes


  9. - VanillaMan - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:18 am:

    It’s sad to see candidates reduced to raffles, pot lucks, bingo, bake sales, and begging for campaign cash.

    He must be new at this because Madigan’s Duckling sell their souls to raise campaign cash.


  10. - Ravenswood Right Winger - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:21 am:

    He won a contested GOP primary, correct?


  11. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:21 am:

    ===Rich, is this for real?===

    Of course. Click the link.


  12. - anon sequitor - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:21 am:

    Will they be checking FOIA cards at the door?

    I have no doubt he will sell out the raffle and make a tidy sum for his campaign.

    Where do you check to see whether his raffle application was approved by the State Board of Elections?


  13. - Happy Returns - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:23 am:

    Anyone else remember the Rod Blagojevich Special Raffle for a .50 BMG? Hard to believe that was 13 years ago….


  14. - Skeeter - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:29 am:

    Watseka? Last time I was there, it was Meth Head central (seriously — I was defending a case where the plaintiff was a known meth distributor). According to the local POs he was one of many.

    What you want to do is put more guns on the street in an area with a lot of drug dealers.

    Great Minds of the GOP.


  15. - Cheswick - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:30 am:

    I just wish we had a Rep. Baker so he or she could raffle off a cannoli.


  16. - CircularFiringSquad - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:31 am:

    Wonder if the winner has to pass a background check?
    Quite the whackjob


  17. - PFK - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:32 am:

    I’ll modify Our Magician’s caption:

    Harms Arms Supporters in Harmful Rifle Raffle


  18. - davidh - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:33 am:

    Great, more gun idolatry. What exactly is he trying to prove?


  19. - Colossus - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:39 am:

    I was involved with a county Democratic party a couple of years ago that raffled off a shotgun, it was one of the better events they did before hitting the 2012 election cycle.

    I think the raffle license has to come from the county the event is held in, as it is technically gambling. the fact that it’s a political group doing it is unrelated, it could be a church or the Boy Scout troop doing the raffle and they would still need permission.


  20. - Leave a Light on George - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:40 am:

    @ anon sequitor

    =Will they be checking FOIA cards at the door?

    I have no doubt he will sell out the raffle and make a tidy sum for his campaign.

    Where do you check to see whether his raffle application was approved by the State Board of Elections?=

    It’s FOID card not FOIA.

    You don’t need a FOID card to attend a fund raising event in this state - at least not yet.

    Do you really think the State Board of Elections has to approve items on a raffle?

    Moron.


  21. - langhorne - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:40 am:

    i hope the rep is in compliance w 230 ILCS 15 Raffles Act. it allows counties and municipalities to regulate raffles.

    sec 3 (1) says: No person, firm or corporation shall conduct raffles or chances without having first obtained a license therefor pursuant to this Act.

    sec 3 (2) says: The license and application for license must specify the area or areas within the licensing authority in which raffle chances will be sold or issued, the time period during which raffle chances will be sold or issued, the time of determination of winning chances and the location or locations at which winning chances will be determined.


  22. - MrJM - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:42 am:

    Harms for Illinois

    It captions itself.

    – MrJM


  23. - the Patriot - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:42 am:

    I’ll defer entry for the caption contest where Rahm’s chief of security is pictured holding up the gun he just won in this raffle!


  24. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:42 am:

    ===I just wish we had a Rep. Baker so he or she could raffle off a cannoli.===

    If you win … and you leave the gun … you get a Cannoli as a consolation.

    Boy, I can go for Cannoli about now…thanks alot -Cheswick -!


  25. - Don't Worry, Be Happy - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:44 am:

    Potential opponents have been warned: stay out of Harms way.


  26. - Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:47 am:

    In Harms Way - Not just a movie, but a Raffle


  27. - SAP - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:51 am:

    To arms,
    For Harms,
    The red states are coming


  28. - anon sequitor - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:53 am:

    To Leave a Dim Bulb on:

    #1 You’re right, I mistyped. I thought FOID and typed FOIA.

    #2 You’re right and wrong. Raffle prizes need no approval, but a raffle does. Check both local and State Board of Elections authority. And see all the other posts explaining this point.


  29. - western illinois - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:53 am:

    New York beats us or we beat New York depending on your perspective. But Cuomo did sign a gun bill yesterday and Quin just babbled on about guns or something while he proabably headed out to negoitate with some more recently defeated republicans


  30. - Great Caesar's Ghost! - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:54 am:

    No Harms, No Foul


  31. - Arthur Andersen - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 9:56 am:

    Langhorne, good points in re: the Raffles Act.
    My other observation is that he is going to have to hustle a bunch of those $5 tickets to make a decent profit net of the cost of goods, legal fees, etc. etc.


  32. - Arthur Andersen - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:01 am:

    “Gents, feeling a bit less studly this long dark winter? Then man up at the Harms Gun Raffle! Only $5 to get lucky, or less than half the price of Penthouse or Cialis.”


  33. - dupage dan - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:01 am:

    Harms arms and charms his supporters.


  34. - Modest proposal - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:02 am:

    hARMS for Illinois. The h is actually silent.


  35. - RNUG - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:04 am:

    AA - he may have gotten them at cost (or even donated) which would significantly lower his break-even threshold.

    Someone did a bit of smart planning. With only 5 or 6 shot capacity, none can be classified as an “assault weapon” …


  36. - Gene Parmesan - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:04 am:

    More info from the News-Gazette can be found at this link: http://www.news-gazette.com/news/politics-and-government/2013-01-16/tom-kacich-legislator-raises-money-gun-raffle.html


  37. - just sayin' - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:08 am:

    I’m starting to come around to the idea of cutting downstate loose into a different state. #wackyhillbillies


  38. - Leave a Light on George - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:12 am:

    =Will they be checking FOIA cards at the door?=

    Here is my point. The only person who needs a FOID card is the person who wins the raffle AND takes possession of the gun. You don’t need one to attend. You don’t need one to help sell tickets. You don’t need one to buy a ticket. You don’t need one to be in the same room a gun is in.

    A FOID card is nothing more than proof you paid the state $10 and waited months for ISP to send it to you.


  39. - wordslinger - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:20 am:

    More Harms Than Good


  40. - Tommydanger - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:22 am:

    Let’s try a limerick.

    There once was a Rep. named Harms
    Whose love of guns he thought was his charm
    The raffle of guns as the prize
    Caught those above I80 by surprise
    But within his district raised no alarms


  41. - 47th Ward - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:27 am:

    Wow, a hammerless revolver. I’ve never seen that before. Isn’t that known as a “purse gun,” for the ladies?

    I guess the firearms makers are designing new models to make it easier to carry ready to use handguns. Clever. They sure know their market.


  42. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:28 am:

    ===Isn’t that known as a “purse gun,” for the ladies?===

    Yep.


  43. - Leave a Light on George - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:32 am:

    Hammerless guns have been around a long time.


  44. - AnotherAnonymous - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:42 am:

    - 47th Ward - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:27 am:

    - Wow, a hammerless revolver. I’ve never seen that before.- Hammerless revolvers have been around since the late 1800s. Common backup weapon for a police officer.

    - Isn’t that known as a “purse gun,” for the ladies? - Or a “pocket gun” for the gents. But I think your intent was to denigrate someone who would have that type of revolver.

    - I guess the firearms makers are designing new models to make it easier to carry ready to use handguns. Clever. They sure know their market. -
    Again, not a new design. A good choice for carrying concealed.


  45. - dupage dan - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:49 am:

    Anyone who has ever shot a snub nosed .357 magnum revolver would know it has quite a kick. I wouldn’t recommend a small stature person carry such a weapon, male or female. As others have said, hammerless revolvers (and sem-autos for that matter) have been around for decades.


  46. - 47th Ward - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:50 am:

    Thanks Another Anon,

    See? I continue to learn new things here. My point was to compliment Harms for thinking about his female constituents and supporters.

    If I was going to denigrate someone who would want that type of revolver, I’d have asked you if that was a hammerless pistol in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?


  47. - Irish - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:54 am:

    Another Anonymous - But in double action, a .357, with a 1″ - @” barrel, you aren’t going to hit much unless you are very close.

    Rich - this is close to your old haunts - maybe they are preparing for an invasion of the Hoosiers? Or maybe in case some Ind. Democrats come over the line?


  48. - Irish - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:56 am:

    Sorry that was 1″ - 2″ barrel


  49. - AnotherAnonymous - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 11:10 am:

    - Irish - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 10:54 am:

    Another Anonymous - But in double action, a .357, with a 1″ - @” barrel, you aren’t going to hit much unless you are very close. - True, but this type of weapon was designed for short-range self-defense use, not target shooting. Though it was always interesting to see Steve McGarrett shoot a bad guy 100 yards away on the top of a five-story building with his snub-nosed .38 on Hawaii Five-O. ;-)


  50. - Chevy owner/Ford County - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 11:12 am:

    I support the 2nd Amendment. I also support safe, legal abortion. Abortion is legal (much to the consternation of many of those who will purchase these raffle tickets)…yet I would also oppose Planned Parenthood (or NOW or any other group that supports choice) raffling off an abortion.


  51. - walkinfool - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 11:29 am:

    “Take a shot with Harms.”


  52. - walkinfool - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 11:35 am:

    “Mini-14″, “stainless steel”, “synthetic stock” — sounds like a big child’s toy to me.

    I might be old school, but bet my life on a real M-14, and it’s dear to my heart.


  53. - downstate commissioner - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 11:43 am:

    I happen to be one of those weirdos like Chevy owner who supports both issues, but comparing the two in a raffle is comparing apples to grapefruit.

    A firearms raffle is fairly common downstate. While his timing might be better, I suspect that this raffle was being planned for quite awhile, and, as was pointed out earlier, the guns themselves are reasonable hunting/home defense/concealed weapons.


  54. - Endangered Moderate Species - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 11:46 am:

    These types of raffles usually do well as a fundraiser for conservation and hunting groups and clubs. In rural small town Illinois, it is unusual, but not unheard of, to see service groups hold a gun raffle. It is extremely rare to see a politician hold any type of raffle.

    This raffle will not Harms him in within his district, but it will Harms him if he chooses to run for a higher office that includes voters outside of the east central prairie.


  55. - Leave a Light on George - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 11:52 am:

    =I support the 2nd Amendment. I also support safe, legal abortion. Abortion is legal (much to the consternation of many of those who will purchase these raffle tickets)…yet I would also oppose Planned Parenthood (or NOW or any other group that supports choice) raffling off an abortion=

    ????


  56. - Irish - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 11:58 am:

    My take on this is that it is not that big of a deal. Many organizations raffle guns at their annual dinners, etc. They are moneymakers. Many folks attend with and without FOID cards. Some bid on the guns or buy raffle tickets, others do the same for other items.

    According to Rich he did this last year and I don’t remember it raising a blip on the screen at all.

    The most I can see he is guilty of is maybe a Faux Paus because of the timing. But one also has to look at these things in their own context. To someone in Cook County or in a place where there has been a shooting, they are looking at this from a totally different perspective than someone in rural southern Illinois where gun ownership is akin to owning a shovel. It is something you have around to do a job that you do.

    I think one of the things that has to be done is for everyone to stop and think of how something looks from the eyes of the other person, because they are not you. And we have to separate the instrument used from the act. None of the guns pictured are evil. They are metal wood and maybe plastic. And most people use them as tools to complete a chore that is not illegal.


  57. - Happy Returns - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 12:13 pm:

    “Mommy, tell me the story again of how I was born?”

    “Well, sweetie, I was gonna go to Granite City, but I didn’t win the raffle…”


  58. - Anon. - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 12:46 pm:

    ==Raffles by political candidates in Illinois are legal, said Rupert Borgsmiller, executive director of the State Board of Elections, as long as candidates get an application in advance and file a report after the raffle.==

    So, if Blago had dontated President Obama’s old Senate seat to his campaign fund, and raffled it off, he would be a free man today?


  59. - Anon - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 1:02 pm:

    Better than taking money from the NRA.


  60. - Anonymous - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 2:47 pm:

    Real q: if one of these weapons was later used by the winner in a horrific crime - say the murder of innocent children at a primary school - would there be any political fallout for Rep Harms?


  61. - Slick Willy - Wednesday, Jan 16, 13 @ 4:06 pm:

    *** if one of these weapons was later used by the winner in a horrific crime - say the murder of innocent children at a primary school - would there be any political fallout for Rep Harms? ***

    Sadly, in the age where it seems like no one is held personally responsible for their own actions, he probably would suffer some negative consequences.


  62. - John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt - Thursday, Jan 17, 13 @ 1:34 am:

    >>>>>The most I can see he is guilty of is maybe a Faux Paus because of the timing.
    …perhaps if he was raffling off a AR15.


  63. - John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt - Thursday, Jan 17, 13 @ 1:36 am:

    >>>>>Anyone who has ever shot a snub nosed .357 magnum revolver would know it has quite a kick.

    It could be loaded with .38 Spl and then be quite manageable.


  64. - bullet53 - Thursday, Jan 17, 13 @ 7:53 am:

    what ever happened to winning a basket of boooze,
    for a raffle prize


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          * Cinda Klickna: Threats do not equate to leadership
          * Illinois Senate to consider plan for new casinos in Chicago, elsewhere
          * Report: Rauner's education secretary paid with funds from state agency facing cuts
          * Portion of Illinois' same-sex marriage law to sunset soon
          * Gay conversion therapy ban clears Illinois Senate committee
          * Changes made to Gov. Rauner's hiring-reform legislation
          * Bernard Schoenburg: Langfelder seeks diversity, but looks at 'interior' of appointees
          * Eugene Robinson: Stop logging our phone calls
          * George Will: The separation of campaign and state


          * Wind turbine zoning advanced in House
          * Updated: Suspect caught within minutes of Champaign bank robbery
          * Earl Cantrell
          * Food bank, Red Cross, sending volunteers, supplies, to Texas
          * UPDATE: Dogs lost in Champaign house fire (w/video)
          * Peoria Park District seeks suggestions on converting shuttered Donovan Golf Course to a park
          * Incoming volleyball class ranked No. 1
          * St. Joseph man sentenced to probation in metal theft
          * Rare snow leopards born at Miller Park Zoo
          * Road closure 5/28/15


          * Kane County Sheriff's office to cut back on guns, ammo and gas to address shortfall
          * Allen looking to regroup in new-look Steelers secondary
          * Prison inmate indicted for murder in 2008 cold case
          * Eagles' Kelly says McCoy was wrong to question his motives
          * Batavia 'Bachelorette' contestant says he's in love with a fellow contestant

          * WWII veteran hopes to receive 'Medal of Ho...
          * Layoffs Looming For Granite City Steelworkers
          * Democrats’ path to victory in the House: I...
          * Emmer named to House Financial Services Co...
          * House Republicans that voted against Amtra...
          * Bustos, Durbin announce $600,000 in federa...
          * DCCC hits Republicans on Amtrak safety fun...
          * Duckworth sticks verbal shiv into opponent...
          * Official: US Steel not idling Granite City...
          * My congressman, Adam Kinzinger, seems to t...

          * Bustos, Durbin announce $600,000 in federa......
          * Can Wall Street-Friendly, Overly-Cautious ......

          * Duckworth: Democratic 2016 Senate primary ......
          * San Bernardino County gets $14 million fro......
          * Illinois National Guard soldiers to deploy......
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          * Duckworth takes aim at Kirk, calls GOP let......

          * Illiana Tollway Approval Facing Legal Challenge From Environmental Groups
          * U.S. EPA Finalizes Clean Water Rule
          * Emanuel Seeks To Delay Police, Firefighter Pension Contributions
          * Ban On State Funded Abortions Debated In IL
          * Brookins' Ex-Aide Says Chicago Alderman Was Feds' 'Initial Target' (UPDATED)
          * Women protested against Gov. Bruce Rauner's proposed budget cuts on Thursday
          * Roughly 50 people attended a demonstration against Gov. Bruce Rauner's proposed budget cuts
          * Ald. Carlos Ramirez-Rosa (35th) speaks against Gov. Bruce Rauner's proposed budget cuts
          * "Banks Up, Women Down" sign at protest Thursday outside the Thompson Center
          * "Rauner's Cuts Hurt Women" signs at protest Thursday outside the Thompson Center


          * State Announces Business Resource Event Coming to Aurora - ‘Make a Connection’ networking and resource program promotes economic growth of small and diverse businesses
          * Gulf War Veteran Reports for Duty as IDVA Women Vets Coordinator, Vet Business Champion
          * Illinois EPA Pollution Prevention Interns begin Twelve Week Program at Illinois Facilities - Students find cost-effective approaches for reducing environmental impacts
          * Vietnam Veteran Confirmed as IDVA Assistant Director
          * The Illinois Department of Public Health Urges Illinoisans to Take Precautions Against West Nile Virus - Illinois Department of Public Health offers tips for avoiding mosquito bites




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