Well it looks like Rauner has the oblivious plutocrat vote locked up.
- Lord Stanley's Cup - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:21 am:
The most notable item in the Sneed piece was the Quinn Jehan efforts to allow her to run for both spots. Would be interested to see that legal opinion when Quinn has it drafted.
That’s probably not very helpful for Rauner. Just another arrow in his GOP opponents’ quiver for their attacks on his cozy relationship with Chicago’s Democratic power base.
Is Rauner planning to save his personal funds for the general? I have heard the $50 million figure thrown around but it seems like he’s been raising money pretty aggressively thus far. For comparison, Quinn spent about $14 million for the entirety of 2010 between his own campaign fund and the Quinn/Simon fund.
Sneedless to say, that is why Payton Prep Clouter Bruce rauner got in front of the Daley withdrawl and made it all about “taking back Illinois” and not about how Daley and PPC are different, and How Bill Daley, and Rahm Emanuel, and Rich Daley, and Arne Duncan … how they all are the same… as the Payton Prep Clouter Bruce Rauner.
Thank goodness the other 3 candidates are focusing on PPC Rauner and defining their Republicanism through the Prism of Bruce Rauner and not calling each other “RINO”s or anything …
To quote John F. Kennedy, sometimes political parties require too much loyalty. Bill Daley is one of those Democrats who puts the interests of the state ahead of political party. Rare - but that’s called leadership folks. And the lack of leadership in Springfield is why young parents are taking a look at other states, with better schools, better economies, better quality of life.
If Rauner gets out of the primary, he will win the General. And despite what Brady said, he’s got probably the best shot to emerge from the primary. Want to know who the other contenders are worrying about? Look who they’re taking shots at - Rauner.
LOL, NW Illiois Dem. I am sure Daley and Rauner’s ilk have the State’s best interests at heart. As long as they happen to coincide with the interests of the oligarchs as well. Greater income inequality is not what this country needs.
If Rauner truly is Daley’s ideological soul mate, speaking as a Democrat, I’d actually see that as a plus factor.
Daley is not the corporate demon incarnate some people would like to make him (especially now that he’s dropped out and he’s easy to kick). Not saying he would have been a good governor but he doesn’t deserve some of the flack that’s been thrown his way these past 48 hours.
My problem with Rauner is the same I had with Romney: I have _no idea_ what Rauner stands for. Is he a New Democrat in disguise, aka a moderate Republican? Maybe. But maybe not. He’ll keep us all guessing right up until the day he would take office; there’s no other way he could navigate first winning the GOP nomination and then the general. And I have no interest in placing such bets, which is why if it’s Rauner vs Quinn I’m pretty sure I have to stick with Quinn.
Rich, you’re right about the context. But if he thinks spending an $50 million is the difference between winning and losing, that wallet will be wide open.
It looks like all the entrenched special interests and other candidates are singling out Rauner for attack. This is a very good sign for him. He hopes to the Chris Christie of Illinois. His association with Rahm, could actually help in that regard. Just like Christy as a republican picked up most of the democratic votes in New Jersey.
He has a vision for what he thinks is best for Illinois, and he really doesn’t care what the vocal critics think. And he has a great deal of money so that he doesn’t need to be beholded to the typical election funders, etc. That could be a pretty formidable combination this election cycle.
I noticed you had a similar Bill Daley fan post yesterday. What exactly about him do you like so much?
Personally I fail to see any interest (be it state or political party) that Bill Daley has taken into account at any point during his political bid besides his own selfish interest. He got into the race due to a selfish and vain fleeting fancy and he has quit the race for selfish reasons to protect his pride that couldn’t handle any criticism of his person at all let alone the stinging wound of a likely loss to Pat Quinn in the primary.
Looks BankerBilly was doing a little job search while conducting his campaign exit interview
Keep in mind Chase warned employee it is about to spend over $800 million over their crooked trades in London. There are still pending criminal investigation.
Adding him to the CousinBrucey ticket would be a super decision. CousinBrucey is the strongest choice to use his Wall Street moolah to smear everyone one else
Should be fun
I hope Bill Daley is right about Rauner winning the primary. He is like all the other rich statewide candidates whose campaigns blow up after the primary.
- lake county democrat - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 11:11 am:
Partisan shmartizan - in Illinois it’s reformers vs. The Combine at least as often as Democrats vs. GOP. Didn’t Richard Daley all but admit he voted for George W. Bush? How many state Republicans loathed (let alone failed to support) Peter Fitzgerald and were happy to have him retire even though he was the most popular Republican in the state at the time?
hisgirlfriday — I liked a Bill Daley candidacy because Illinois needs to shake up the Springfield status quo. I spent years volunteering for our two Democratic Presidents - Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Daley was an excellent Sec of Commerce under Clinton and has held leadership posts throughout his life. On top of that, someone with private sector experience — something lacking in Springfield. Finally, had Daley won I think the Springfield status quo would have been rocked. Daley would have a different style of leadership in dealing with entrenched powers like Madigan, Cullerton, etc. Time for a change.
- Small Town Liberal - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 11:15 am:
- dealing with entrenched powers like Madigan, Cullerton, etc. -
Yes, because when I hear Daley, entrenched powers never comes to mind…
And it’s clear that PQ has been in lockstep with Madigan and Cullerton from day one.
=Bill Daley is one of those Democrats who puts the interests of the state ahead of political party.=
That’s odd, I thought his quote when he weaseled out was “it isn’t right for me.” That doesn’t sound like someone who has the best interests of the state in mind, that sounds like someone looking out for himself and himself alone.
If Daley thinks Rauner is the strongest candidate, it’s a good thing he got out when he did. He clearly got the short end of Da Mare’s electoral savvy gene pool.
All chuckling aside, this might be a good piece of help to a guy running in a primary. With all the focus on extreme righties all the time, there is plenty of disdain among voters for extreme lefties too. This could be more helpful that people might think.
W/S. I’ll type slower! Just kidding friend. I’m stating that GOP primary voters in Suburban Cook and similar places may place some value on Bill Daley’s opinion of Rauner. There are still plenty of conservative Dems on the NW and SW sides who are just as uncomfortable with their extreme (left) flanks and there are Republicans who worry about their extreme right side. These two guys are both considered moderates within their respective parties. This race will be won with a slender advantage. Daley could help Rauner. Is that a clearer explanation?
Oy Vey! WS. Let’s go this route. When the GOP harder right is criticized as the Fox News and IR kool aid crowd, just juxtapose it with the MSNBC and MoveOn.org crowd. Without a hard race at the top of the ticket, I’m willing to suggest some Conservative Dems will look at Rauner. Daley’s words might also resonate with some very moderate GOPers. I am suggesting, by experience, that there are enough of these types out there to make a difference in a close race.
“It looks like all the entrenched special interests and other candidates are singling out Rauner for attack. This is a very good sign for him. He hopes to be the Chris Christie of Illinois. His association with Rahm, could actually help in that regard. Just like Christy as a republican picked up most of the democratic votes in New Jersey.
He has a vision for what he thinks is best for Illinois, and he really doesn’t care what the vocal critics think. And he has a great deal of money so that he doesn’t need to be beholded to the typical election funders, etc. That could be a pretty formidable combination this election cycle.”
Interesting. Rauner knows being from Chicago, he can’t possibly compete on ideological terms with other Republicans like Bill Brady. So he’s going to do something different - be that proverbial ‘New Republican’ everybody always talks about - he’s not about social issues, he’s about economics.
And he’s not about to play down his Chicago ties. In reality, he can’t. They exist - so why not play them up.
Rauner’s playing a little bit of a long game here. What everybody on the Republican side sees as a weakness in his Chicago ties (today) can very easily turn into a a giant strength tomorrow.
Here’s why. The pension funding crisis for both the City of Chicago and Cook County are far worse than the State of Illinois. And whether Republicans like it or not, the economic health of the City of Chicago/Cook County is extraordinarily important to the State of Illinois in general. And it’s going to be a brutal process to deal with (in both cases), and you better have adults at the table. Preferably with more than a third grade understanding of economics, like apparently is the case with our current governor.
Regardless of where one stands on state pension funding, ask yourself if our current governor been a ’strength’ in the process?
Now imagine in particular the City of Chicago pension funding. They are in every bit as bad, if not worse shape than the State of Illinois. And with less resources. Do you want adults at the table, or ‘Squeezy - Part 2′?
There’s reasons Daley, and probably Emanuel, would prefer Rauner to Quinn. Because deals can be cut, and things can get worked out. Because the one thing Illinois can’t have is for Chicago to be viewed as simply being another Detroit. That’s extremely bad for the entire state.
That narrative doesn’t fit well with a fair piece of the Republican party, and also a fair piece of the Democratic party. But at some point we’ve just got to get the adults into the room, people who understand what is at stake (unlike our accidental governor), and address some of these problems.
A Guy, I still have no idea what you’re talking about. What do Fox News, MSNBC and Move.on have to do with the Illinois governor’s race?
Believe it or not, it’s possible to view the world outside of cable TV yakfests.
I think Daley just demonstrated he wasn’t appealing to anyone. And I’ve yet to see any polling that suggests Rauner has any traction with anyone except insiders who like the promise of his money.
Points well taken WS. Rauner isn’t slipping in any poll I’ve seen. On the contrary, he’s edged up a little. I disagree that Daley doesn’t appeal to anyone. We’ll never know how many would have voted for him now he’s out. The Daley’s still have plenty of supporters in Chicago and Cook County. I’m saying his kind words toward Rauner could help. We’ll see. If you still can’t figure out what I’m talking about, I’m the lousiest communicator in the world OR youjustdon’twanna. Good chat though.
===Here’s why. The pension funding crisis for both the City of Chicago and Cook County are far worse than the State of Illinois. And whether Republicans like it or not, the economic health of the City of Chicago/Cook County is extraordinarily important to the State of Illinois in general. And it’s going to be a brutal process to deal with (in both cases), and you better have adults at the table. Preferably with more than a third grade understanding of economics, like apparently is the case with our current governor.===
Let’s not forget Constitutional, like Payton Prep Clouter Bruce Rauner does. That pesky Constitution…
===There’s reasons Daley, and probably Emanuel, would prefer Rauner to Quinn. Because deals can be cut, and things can get worked out. Because the one thing Illinois can’t have is for Chicago to be viewed as simply being another Detroit. That’s extremely bad for the entire state.===
lol
Ok, Payton Prep Clouter Bruce Rauner is not about “deals” unless it means moving to Chicago to get his denied Daughter a seat in Payton Prep. Rauner has made it quite clear, to everyone, this is going to be Wisconsin or Indiana, and the only deal is the DEMOCRATIC majorities in the General Assembly doing what “We” say, or he will shut the state down, Constitution or not.
Further, the only history Rauner has in dealmaking in the public secotr is making money off …pensions and charter schools … for him and his investors. PPC Rauner is not selfless, Rauner is all about “We” and how “We” can get money, while driving his denied, but clouted Daughter.. to Payton Prep.
If you listen to Rauner, then you are not HEARING Rauner. PPC is about “my way”, which does not work wne working with a General Assembly. Funny, though, I will give you that!
===But at some point we’ve just got to get the adults into the room, people who understand what is at stake (unlike our accidental governor), and address some of these problems.===
Adults … understand that the problem is finding a solution, within the Constitution of the state of Illinois, and at the same time answering the problem at hand, all the while makign sure if it doesn’t pass constitutional muster, the state doesn’t get sunk by the “Tys” and the “Bruces” as the state’s bonding gets downgrated … then bought 9 times over list …
Bruce Rauner is the worst kind of candidate because while “shaking things up” sounds so kool, understsanding the parameters of how things need to be constitutional, and not being the ultimate insider/hypocrite is not seen as “swell” or “good”…
–Now imagine in particular the City of Chicago pension funding. They are in every bit as bad, if not worse shape than the State of Illinois. And with less resources.–
Sure. Never waste a crisis, like a recession, to try and get out of your lawful obligations.
Meanwhile, Emanuel can take his TIF slush funds — that are starving the schools — to put folks out of business on the South Side to build a “basketball arena” for DePaul.
And remember, it’s all about the basketball. Coach Ray and all that. Nothing to do with the casino and its contracts the insiders are dying for.
“Adults … understand that the problem is finding a solution, within the Constitution of the state of Illinois, and at the same time answering the problem at hand, all the while makign sure if it doesn’t pass constitutional muster, the state doesn’t get sunk by the “Tys” and the “Bruces” as the state’s bonding gets downgrated … then bought 9 times over list …”
OS, been over this before. Don’t forget the impact of the federal ‘Supremacy Clause’ on the state constitutional guarantee over pensions. Hasn’t happened yet, but it’s on the horizon (up in Michigan).
It looks like you are primarily hanging your hat on that state constitutional guarantee. Better ask yourself what happens if a federal bankruptcy court in another state with virtually the same type of state guarantee issues a ruling that the constitutional guarantee only applies to the currently funded portions of retiree benefits.
That’s where Michigan looks to be heading (in court).
Funny things tend happen in reality when federal bankruptcy court decisions meet ‘guarantees’, regardless of who makes them.
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“Adults … understand that the problem is finding a solution, within the Constitution of the state of Illinois, and at the same time answering the problem at hand, all the while makign sure if it doesn’t pass constitutional muster, the state doesn’t get sunk by the “Tys” and the “Bruces” as the state’s bonding gets downgrated”
Again, the state constitution matters today, but you better plan for a ‘what if’ scenario that tomorrow (or the day after) things can change - drastically.
The reality is that what we have right now (for both parties) isn’t working. And things are only going to get a lot tougher. Is Rauner the answer - don’t know. but what we’ve got in place right now is really a pretty miserable excuse for a governor. And I have doubts about many candidates on the Republican side.
lol …Illinois is not Michigan, or Wisconsin, or Indiana, or any other state …Illinois is Illinois, and Illinois’ constitution seems to be a tough nut to crack, otherwise, this Pension Problem would have been solved long before Payton Prep Clouter Bruce Rauner needed to “shake things up” …
To that …
===Is Rauner the answer - don’t know.===
If you “don’t know”, then don’t undercut your first post … praising Payton Prep Clouter AS the answer.
I was going to just let this slide, but this has to be … well, …
===Again, the state constitution matters today, but you better plan for a ‘what if’ scenario that tomorrow (or the day after) things can change - drastically.===
I think, no, I know, the Illinois Constitution …matters, every day, and especially in this discussion. It’s the Constitutional interpretation that matters, not the solution hoping or wishing away the Constitution …
= There’s reasons Daley, and probably Emanuel, would prefer Rauner to Quinn. Because deals can be cut =
This is precisely why I would not vote for Rauner even if he’s the only candidate on the ballot. I would write in Oscar the Puppy if no other option were available. [I would consider voting for Grumpy Cat, but she is a resident of Arizona.]
“If you “don’t know”, then don’t undercut your first post … praising Payton Prep Clouter AS the answer.
Yikes, pick a lane!”
Don’t have to. I just find Rauner’s approach to this extremely interesting, and I wanted to explore it a little deeper. Besides, it’s pretty obvious that there’s a considerable number of Democrats who are not very enthused about their current ‘choices’, so let’s see where things go.
“I think, no, I know, the Illinois Constitution …matters, every day, and especially in this discussion. It’s the Constitutional interpretation that matters, not the solution hoping or wishing away the Constitution …
I just couldn’t believe what I was reading.”
Not hoping or wishing away the state constitution. But when there’s ongoing litigation out there occurring at the federal level over a state constitutional pension ‘guarantee’ that is extremely similar to Illinois, I’d be a fool not to take into account that the federal courts can change or ‘re-define’ that guarantee into something other than what everyone once assumed.
That’s reality. Nobody’s kicking the Constitution to the curb.
Deals are going to have to get cut. IMO, that’s beyond Quinn’s ability to make any workable deals happen that are going to work with all the interested parties. Bluntly, it’s going to be extremely difficult for ANYBODY to pull this one off.
Again, ask yourself if our current governor been a ’strength’ in the process?
– Besides, it’s pretty obvious that there’s a considerable number of Democrats who are not very enthused about their current ‘choices’, so let’s see where things go–
LOL, here’s where it’s going to go: the incumbent will not be challenged in the primary.
He scared away two, supposedly, powerful challengers and locked up every organization (on paper) in the state.
That’s a good start for a primary election six months away.
Look, I get it that Pat Quinn has never been the most popular guy, in some circles, for decades.
But you’re all ignoring the facts staring you in the face.
Lisa Madigan, she of the 60% plus elections and millions in fundraising — didn’t have the guts and took a pass.
She blamed it on her old man. Apparently, after shaking down millions from contributors for years, she discovered her old man was speaker, lol, and she couldn’t run for governor.
She’s going to regret that day when she blew off the president in the Oval Office and cost the Dems a Senate seat in the midst of the financial crisis.
The old man could have taught her; once refused, presidents don’t ask again. No federal judgeship for you.
Bill Daley — of the Daleys (like Plantagets in Illinois) lost his nerve and took a pass.
He, like Lisa, was too scared of losing.
Where are the other Dem candidates willing to knock down this profoundly unpopular incumbent Quinn?
Jack Franks, you can’t make the phone ring by staring at it, dude lol. And get a haircut.
You might not like it, but Quinn’s on a rip.
The guy beat a great young candidate in the last primary.
The guy beat the GOP candidate in the biggest Republican year in 60 years.
You’re all whistling past the graveyard. The dude has the skins on the wall.
If you’re all going to beat Pat Quinn you better pack a lunch — it’s going to be an all-day job.
That might just have been the best smackdown I have ever heard.
Kudos to you, sir.
Here is the thing: Mighty Quinn and his team ought not to take their eyes off the long road ahead.
Every day, you need to believe you can win.
But the day you think you cannot lose, you are vulnerable.
Honestly, unless Rauner is planning on using that $50 mill to cut every swing voter a check or stuff money in their ears so they cannot hear, I dont think it gets Rauner across the finish line.
But a guy with $50 million or $10 million is still dangerous, even if he is a Mitt Romney clone.
Governor Pat Quinn is the strongest candidate with the backing of powerful members of the Democratic party. The Republican candidates are already making Quinn look good in comparison. They are conducting a primary campaign that will remove any hope for a two-party political system in Illinois.
Hmmmm…I’m going to assume, Ruby, that you actually appreciate the benefit of a two-party political system–and work hard to prove you wrong about Republicans and this Primary, in particular.
- Empty Chair - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:18 am:
“But but but but but I’m a Democrat!
- Snucka - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:20 am:
He’s really not taking this well.
- Publius - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:21 am:
Sneed : “How do you feel about Bill’s venture into elective politucs?”
Former Mayor Rich Daley: “He ain’t a heavy-weight…he’s my brother.”
- Ron Burgundy - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:21 am:
Well it looks like Rauner has the oblivious plutocrat vote locked up.
- Lord Stanley's Cup - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:21 am:
The most notable item in the Sneed piece was the Quinn Jehan efforts to allow her to run for both spots. Would be interested to see that legal opinion when Quinn has it drafted.
- Whatever - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:22 am:
That’s probably not very helpful for Rauner. Just another arrow in his GOP opponents’ quiver for their attacks on his cozy relationship with Chicago’s Democratic power base.
- dupage dan - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:22 am:
Won’t you go home, Bill Daley, won’t you go home?
- foster brooks - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:24 am:
Daley was exposed as one of the greedy wall street money grubbers that caused the great recession. There was no way he could escape that.
- Snucka - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:25 am:
Is Rauner planning to save his personal funds for the general? I have heard the $50 million figure thrown around but it seems like he’s been raising money pretty aggressively thus far. For comparison, Quinn spent about $14 million for the entirety of 2010 between his own campaign fund and the Quinn/Simon fund.
- Chavez-respecting Obamist - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:26 am:
This is why I think Bill Daley would be the perfect running mate for Rauner.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:30 am:
Sneedless to say, that is why Payton Prep Clouter Bruce rauner got in front of the Daley withdrawl and made it all about “taking back Illinois” and not about how Daley and PPC are different, and How Bill Daley, and Rahm Emanuel, and Rich Daley, and Arne Duncan … how they all are the same… as the Payton Prep Clouter Bruce Rauner.
Thank goodness the other 3 candidates are focusing on PPC Rauner and defining their Republicanism through the Prism of Bruce Rauner and not calling each other “RINO”s or anything …
Oh, there is another post Rich put up?
I should read that …
- NW Illinois Dem - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:30 am:
To quote John F. Kennedy, sometimes political parties require too much loyalty. Bill Daley is one of those Democrats who puts the interests of the state ahead of political party. Rare - but that’s called leadership folks. And the lack of leadership in Springfield is why young parents are taking a look at other states, with better schools, better economies, better quality of life.
- Bill White - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:31 am:
=== This is why I think Bill Daley would be the perfect running mate for Rauner. ===
Especially if they decide to run as independents or create a 3rd party
Maybe Ty Fahner could be campaign chair
- Rich Miller - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:31 am:
===I have heard the $50 million figure thrown around===
That number has been repeated without the original context, which included expected bigtime spending from outside SuperPacs against Lisa.
- Chicago Cynic - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:33 am:
If Rauner gets out of the primary, he will win the General. And despite what Brady said, he’s got probably the best shot to emerge from the primary. Want to know who the other contenders are worrying about? Look who they’re taking shots at - Rauner.
- b - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:33 am:
LOL, NW Illiois Dem. I am sure Daley and Rauner’s ilk have the State’s best interests at heart. As long as they happen to coincide with the interests of the oligarchs as well. Greater income inequality is not what this country needs.
- ZC - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:34 am:
If Rauner truly is Daley’s ideological soul mate, speaking as a Democrat, I’d actually see that as a plus factor.
Daley is not the corporate demon incarnate some people would like to make him (especially now that he’s dropped out and he’s easy to kick). Not saying he would have been a good governor but he doesn’t deserve some of the flack that’s been thrown his way these past 48 hours.
My problem with Rauner is the same I had with Romney: I have _no idea_ what Rauner stands for. Is he a New Democrat in disguise, aka a moderate Republican? Maybe. But maybe not. He’ll keep us all guessing right up until the day he would take office; there’s no other way he could navigate first winning the GOP nomination and then the general. And I have no interest in placing such bets, which is why if it’s Rauner vs Quinn I’m pretty sure I have to stick with Quinn.
- Chicago Cynic - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:36 am:
Rich, you’re right about the context. But if he thinks spending an $50 million is the difference between winning and losing, that wallet will be wide open.
- skeptical spectacle - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:42 am:
It looks like all the entrenched special interests and other candidates are singling out Rauner for attack. This is a very good sign for him. He hopes to the Chris Christie of Illinois. His association with Rahm, could actually help in that regard. Just like Christy as a republican picked up most of the democratic votes in New Jersey.
He has a vision for what he thinks is best for Illinois, and he really doesn’t care what the vocal critics think. And he has a great deal of money so that he doesn’t need to be beholded to the typical election funders, etc. That could be a pretty formidable combination this election cycle.
- hisgirlfriday - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:45 am:
@NW Illinois Dem:
I noticed you had a similar Bill Daley fan post yesterday. What exactly about him do you like so much?
Personally I fail to see any interest (be it state or political party) that Bill Daley has taken into account at any point during his political bid besides his own selfish interest. He got into the race due to a selfish and vain fleeting fancy and he has quit the race for selfish reasons to protect his pride that couldn’t handle any criticism of his person at all let alone the stinging wound of a likely loss to Pat Quinn in the primary.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:49 am:
Bill Daley’s sweet on Bruce Rauner? Gee, didn’t see that coming, lol.
- Wensicia - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:57 am:
“I do think Bruce Rauner is the strongest candidate.”
How could he figure that out if he isn’t aware who the Republican candidates are?
- CircularFiringSquad - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 11:05 am:
Looks BankerBilly was doing a little job search while conducting his campaign exit interview
Keep in mind Chase warned employee it is about to spend over $800 million over their crooked trades in London. There are still pending criminal investigation.
Adding him to the CousinBrucey ticket would be a super decision. CousinBrucey is the strongest choice to use his Wall Street moolah to smear everyone one else
Should be fun
- Tom Joad - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 11:09 am:
I hope Bill Daley is right about Rauner winning the primary. He is like all the other rich statewide candidates whose campaigns blow up after the primary.
- lake county democrat - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 11:11 am:
Partisan shmartizan - in Illinois it’s reformers vs. The Combine at least as often as Democrats vs. GOP. Didn’t Richard Daley all but admit he voted for George W. Bush? How many state Republicans loathed (let alone failed to support) Peter Fitzgerald and were happy to have him retire even though he was the most popular Republican in the state at the time?
- NW Illinois Dem - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 11:11 am:
hisgirlfriday — I liked a Bill Daley candidacy because Illinois needs to shake up the Springfield status quo. I spent years volunteering for our two Democratic Presidents - Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Daley was an excellent Sec of Commerce under Clinton and has held leadership posts throughout his life. On top of that, someone with private sector experience — something lacking in Springfield. Finally, had Daley won I think the Springfield status quo would have been rocked. Daley would have a different style of leadership in dealing with entrenched powers like Madigan, Cullerton, etc. Time for a change.
- Small Town Liberal - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 11:15 am:
- dealing with entrenched powers like Madigan, Cullerton, etc. -
Yes, because when I hear Daley, entrenched powers never comes to mind…
And it’s clear that PQ has been in lockstep with Madigan and Cullerton from day one.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 11:17 am:
Daley shakes up the status quo. Too funny.
- Joe Bidenopolous - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 11:30 am:
=Bill Daley is one of those Democrats who puts the interests of the state ahead of political party.=
That’s odd, I thought his quote when he weaseled out was “it isn’t right for me.” That doesn’t sound like someone who has the best interests of the state in mind, that sounds like someone looking out for himself and himself alone.
I guess I miss the nuance.
- Ron Burgundy - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 12:07 pm:
If Daley thinks Rauner is the strongest candidate, it’s a good thing he got out when he did. He clearly got the short end of Da Mare’s electoral savvy gene pool.
- A guy... - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 12:16 pm:
All chuckling aside, this might be a good piece of help to a guy running in a primary. With all the focus on extreme righties all the time, there is plenty of disdain among voters for extreme lefties too. This could be more helpful that people might think.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 12:20 pm:
A Guy, what are you talking about?
- A guy... - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 12:31 pm:
W/S. I’ll type slower! Just kidding friend. I’m stating that GOP primary voters in Suburban Cook and similar places may place some value on Bill Daley’s opinion of Rauner. There are still plenty of conservative Dems on the NW and SW sides who are just as uncomfortable with their extreme (left) flanks and there are Republicans who worry about their extreme right side. These two guys are both considered moderates within their respective parties. This race will be won with a slender advantage. Daley could help Rauner. Is that a clearer explanation?
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 12:34 pm:
A Guy, who are the “extreme lefties” you’re talking about?
- A guy... - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 12:50 pm:
Oy Vey! WS. Let’s go this route. When the GOP harder right is criticized as the Fox News and IR kool aid crowd, just juxtapose it with the MSNBC and MoveOn.org crowd. Without a hard race at the top of the ticket, I’m willing to suggest some Conservative Dems will look at Rauner. Daley’s words might also resonate with some very moderate GOPers. I am suggesting, by experience, that there are enough of these types out there to make a difference in a close race.
- reformer - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 1:08 pm:
== Bill Daley is one of those Democrats who puts the interests of the state ahead of political party. ==
Is that why he dropped out?
- MrJM - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 1:25 pm:
“Bill Daley is one of those Democrats who puts the interests of the state ahead of political party.”
There are heroes who are brave, there are heroes who are caring and there are heroes who are loyal.
Bill Daley is a different kind of hero.
– MrJM
- Judgment Day (Road Trip) - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 1:33 pm:
“It looks like all the entrenched special interests and other candidates are singling out Rauner for attack. This is a very good sign for him. He hopes to be the Chris Christie of Illinois. His association with Rahm, could actually help in that regard. Just like Christy as a republican picked up most of the democratic votes in New Jersey.
He has a vision for what he thinks is best for Illinois, and he really doesn’t care what the vocal critics think. And he has a great deal of money so that he doesn’t need to be beholded to the typical election funders, etc. That could be a pretty formidable combination this election cycle.”
Interesting. Rauner knows being from Chicago, he can’t possibly compete on ideological terms with other Republicans like Bill Brady. So he’s going to do something different - be that proverbial ‘New Republican’ everybody always talks about - he’s not about social issues, he’s about economics.
And he’s not about to play down his Chicago ties. In reality, he can’t. They exist - so why not play them up.
Rauner’s playing a little bit of a long game here. What everybody on the Republican side sees as a weakness in his Chicago ties (today) can very easily turn into a a giant strength tomorrow.
Here’s why. The pension funding crisis for both the City of Chicago and Cook County are far worse than the State of Illinois. And whether Republicans like it or not, the economic health of the City of Chicago/Cook County is extraordinarily important to the State of Illinois in general. And it’s going to be a brutal process to deal with (in both cases), and you better have adults at the table. Preferably with more than a third grade understanding of economics, like apparently is the case with our current governor.
Regardless of where one stands on state pension funding, ask yourself if our current governor been a ’strength’ in the process?
Now imagine in particular the City of Chicago pension funding. They are in every bit as bad, if not worse shape than the State of Illinois. And with less resources. Do you want adults at the table, or ‘Squeezy - Part 2′?
There’s reasons Daley, and probably Emanuel, would prefer Rauner to Quinn. Because deals can be cut, and things can get worked out. Because the one thing Illinois can’t have is for Chicago to be viewed as simply being another Detroit. That’s extremely bad for the entire state.
That narrative doesn’t fit well with a fair piece of the Republican party, and also a fair piece of the Democratic party. But at some point we’ve just got to get the adults into the room, people who understand what is at stake (unlike our accidental governor), and address some of these problems.
Just a thought.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 1:35 pm:
A Guy, I still have no idea what you’re talking about. What do Fox News, MSNBC and Move.on have to do with the Illinois governor’s race?
Believe it or not, it’s possible to view the world outside of cable TV yakfests.
I think Daley just demonstrated he wasn’t appealing to anyone. And I’ve yet to see any polling that suggests Rauner has any traction with anyone except insiders who like the promise of his money.
- skeptical spectacle - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 1:38 pm:
judgment day:
Amen.
- A guy... - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 1:47 pm:
Points well taken WS. Rauner isn’t slipping in any poll I’ve seen. On the contrary, he’s edged up a little. I disagree that Daley doesn’t appeal to anyone. We’ll never know how many would have voted for him now he’s out. The Daley’s still have plenty of supporters in Chicago and Cook County. I’m saying his kind words toward Rauner could help. We’ll see. If you still can’t figure out what I’m talking about, I’m the lousiest communicator in the world OR youjustdon’twanna. Good chat though.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 1:52 pm:
I was just about to go to the Cross Rally …
===Here’s why. The pension funding crisis for both the City of Chicago and Cook County are far worse than the State of Illinois. And whether Republicans like it or not, the economic health of the City of Chicago/Cook County is extraordinarily important to the State of Illinois in general. And it’s going to be a brutal process to deal with (in both cases), and you better have adults at the table. Preferably with more than a third grade understanding of economics, like apparently is the case with our current governor.===
Let’s not forget Constitutional, like Payton Prep Clouter Bruce Rauner does. That pesky Constitution…
===There’s reasons Daley, and probably Emanuel, would prefer Rauner to Quinn. Because deals can be cut, and things can get worked out. Because the one thing Illinois can’t have is for Chicago to be viewed as simply being another Detroit. That’s extremely bad for the entire state.===
lol
Ok, Payton Prep Clouter Bruce Rauner is not about “deals” unless it means moving to Chicago to get his denied Daughter a seat in Payton Prep. Rauner has made it quite clear, to everyone, this is going to be Wisconsin or Indiana, and the only deal is the DEMOCRATIC majorities in the General Assembly doing what “We” say, or he will shut the state down, Constitution or not.
Further, the only history Rauner has in dealmaking in the public secotr is making money off …pensions and charter schools … for him and his investors. PPC Rauner is not selfless, Rauner is all about “We” and how “We” can get money, while driving his denied, but clouted Daughter.. to Payton Prep.
If you listen to Rauner, then you are not HEARING Rauner. PPC is about “my way”, which does not work wne working with a General Assembly. Funny, though, I will give you that!
===But at some point we’ve just got to get the adults into the room, people who understand what is at stake (unlike our accidental governor), and address some of these problems.===
Adults … understand that the problem is finding a solution, within the Constitution of the state of Illinois, and at the same time answering the problem at hand, all the while makign sure if it doesn’t pass constitutional muster, the state doesn’t get sunk by the “Tys” and the “Bruces” as the state’s bonding gets downgrated … then bought 9 times over list …
Bruce Rauner is the worst kind of candidate because while “shaking things up” sounds so kool, understsanding the parameters of how things need to be constitutional, and not being the ultimate insider/hypocrite is not seen as “swell” or “good”…
No matter how “we” thinks it is.
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 2:18 pm:
–Now imagine in particular the City of Chicago pension funding. They are in every bit as bad, if not worse shape than the State of Illinois. And with less resources.–
Sure. Never waste a crisis, like a recession, to try and get out of your lawful obligations.
Meanwhile, Emanuel can take his TIF slush funds — that are starving the schools — to put folks out of business on the South Side to build a “basketball arena” for DePaul.
And remember, it’s all about the basketball. Coach Ray and all that. Nothing to do with the casino and its contracts the insiders are dying for.
- Judgment Day (Road Trip) - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 2:22 pm:
“Adults … understand that the problem is finding a solution, within the Constitution of the state of Illinois, and at the same time answering the problem at hand, all the while makign sure if it doesn’t pass constitutional muster, the state doesn’t get sunk by the “Tys” and the “Bruces” as the state’s bonding gets downgrated … then bought 9 times over list …”
OS, been over this before. Don’t forget the impact of the federal ‘Supremacy Clause’ on the state constitutional guarantee over pensions. Hasn’t happened yet, but it’s on the horizon (up in Michigan).
It looks like you are primarily hanging your hat on that state constitutional guarantee. Better ask yourself what happens if a federal bankruptcy court in another state with virtually the same type of state guarantee issues a ruling that the constitutional guarantee only applies to the currently funded portions of retiree benefits.
That’s where Michigan looks to be heading (in court).
Funny things tend happen in reality when federal bankruptcy court decisions meet ‘guarantees’, regardless of who makes them.
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“Adults … understand that the problem is finding a solution, within the Constitution of the state of Illinois, and at the same time answering the problem at hand, all the while makign sure if it doesn’t pass constitutional muster, the state doesn’t get sunk by the “Tys” and the “Bruces” as the state’s bonding gets downgrated”
Again, the state constitution matters today, but you better plan for a ‘what if’ scenario that tomorrow (or the day after) things can change - drastically.
The reality is that what we have right now (for both parties) isn’t working. And things are only going to get a lot tougher. Is Rauner the answer - don’t know. but what we’ve got in place right now is really a pretty miserable excuse for a governor. And I have doubts about many candidates on the Republican side.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 2:49 pm:
- Judgment Day (Road Trip) -,
lol …Illinois is not Michigan, or Wisconsin, or Indiana, or any other state …Illinois is Illinois, and Illinois’ constitution seems to be a tough nut to crack, otherwise, this Pension Problem would have been solved long before Payton Prep Clouter Bruce Rauner needed to “shake things up” …
To that …
===Is Rauner the answer - don’t know.===
If you “don’t know”, then don’t undercut your first post … praising Payton Prep Clouter AS the answer.
Yikes, pick a lane!
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 3:01 pm:
I was going to just let this slide, but this has to be … well, …
===Again, the state constitution matters today, but you better plan for a ‘what if’ scenario that tomorrow (or the day after) things can change - drastically.===
I think, no, I know, the Illinois Constitution …matters, every day, and especially in this discussion. It’s the Constitutional interpretation that matters, not the solution hoping or wishing away the Constitution …
I just couldn’t believe what I was reading.
- cover - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 3:09 pm:
= There’s reasons Daley, and probably Emanuel, would prefer Rauner to Quinn. Because deals can be cut =
This is precisely why I would not vote for Rauner even if he’s the only candidate on the ballot. I would write in Oscar the Puppy if no other option were available. [I would consider voting for Grumpy Cat, but she is a resident of Arizona.]
- Judgment Day (Road Trip) - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 3:48 pm:
“If you “don’t know”, then don’t undercut your first post … praising Payton Prep Clouter AS the answer.
Yikes, pick a lane!”
Don’t have to. I just find Rauner’s approach to this extremely interesting, and I wanted to explore it a little deeper. Besides, it’s pretty obvious that there’s a considerable number of Democrats who are not very enthused about their current ‘choices’, so let’s see where things go.
- Judgment Day (Road Trip) - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 3:55 pm:
“I think, no, I know, the Illinois Constitution …matters, every day, and especially in this discussion. It’s the Constitutional interpretation that matters, not the solution hoping or wishing away the Constitution …
I just couldn’t believe what I was reading.”
Not hoping or wishing away the state constitution. But when there’s ongoing litigation out there occurring at the federal level over a state constitutional pension ‘guarantee’ that is extremely similar to Illinois, I’d be a fool not to take into account that the federal courts can change or ‘re-define’ that guarantee into something other than what everyone once assumed.
That’s reality. Nobody’s kicking the Constitution to the curb.
- Judgment Day (Road Trip) - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 4:01 pm:
Cover:
Deals are going to have to get cut. IMO, that’s beyond Quinn’s ability to make any workable deals happen that are going to work with all the interested parties. Bluntly, it’s going to be extremely difficult for ANYBODY to pull this one off.
Again, ask yourself if our current governor been a ’strength’ in the process?
- wordslinger - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 4:17 pm:
– Besides, it’s pretty obvious that there’s a considerable number of Democrats who are not very enthused about their current ‘choices’, so let’s see where things go–
LOL, here’s where it’s going to go: the incumbent will not be challenged in the primary.
He scared away two, supposedly, powerful challengers and locked up every organization (on paper) in the state.
That’s a good start for a primary election six months away.
Look, I get it that Pat Quinn has never been the most popular guy, in some circles, for decades.
But you’re all ignoring the facts staring you in the face.
Lisa Madigan, she of the 60% plus elections and millions in fundraising — didn’t have the guts and took a pass.
She blamed it on her old man. Apparently, after shaking down millions from contributors for years, she discovered her old man was speaker, lol, and she couldn’t run for governor.
She’s going to regret that day when she blew off the president in the Oval Office and cost the Dems a Senate seat in the midst of the financial crisis.
The old man could have taught her; once refused, presidents don’t ask again. No federal judgeship for you.
Bill Daley — of the Daleys (like Plantagets in Illinois) lost his nerve and took a pass.
He, like Lisa, was too scared of losing.
Where are the other Dem candidates willing to knock down this profoundly unpopular incumbent Quinn?
Jack Franks, you can’t make the phone ring by staring at it, dude lol. And get a haircut.
You might not like it, but Quinn’s on a rip.
The guy beat a great young candidate in the last primary.
The guy beat the GOP candidate in the biggest Republican year in 60 years.
You’re all whistling past the graveyard. The dude has the skins on the wall.
If you’re all going to beat Pat Quinn you better pack a lunch — it’s going to be an all-day job.
- Juvenal - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 4:43 pm:
Wordslinger:
That might just have been the best smackdown I have ever heard.
Kudos to you, sir.
Here is the thing: Mighty Quinn and his team ought not to take their eyes off the long road ahead.
Every day, you need to believe you can win.
But the day you think you cannot lose, you are vulnerable.
Honestly, unless Rauner is planning on using that $50 mill to cut every swing voter a check or stuff money in their ears so they cannot hear, I dont think it gets Rauner across the finish line.
But a guy with $50 million or $10 million is still dangerous, even if he is a Mitt Romney clone.
- Oswego Willy - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 5:15 pm:
Wordslinger is…
The Gold Standard.
You ever … ever think you can compete …you are fooling yourself.
Classic post.
There is - wordslinger -, a space, a gap … 2 places … than the rest of us.
I am always learning, starting with - wordslinger -
- Just The Way It Is One - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 8:54 pm:
==they’re ideological soul mates==
Sure, but more speCIFically they’re FINANCIAL, EXTREMELY WEALTHY soul mates!!! And that’s something the rest of us “99%” just can’t RELATE to…!
- Ruby - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:00 pm:
Governor Pat Quinn is the strongest candidate with the backing of powerful members of the Democratic party. The Republican candidates are already making Quinn look good in comparison. They are conducting a primary campaign that will remove any hope for a two-party political system in Illinois.
- Anonymous - Wednesday, Sep 18, 13 @ 10:59 pm:
Hmmmm…I’m going to assume, Ruby, that you actually appreciate the benefit of a two-party political system–and work hard to prove you wrong about Republicans and this Primary, in particular.
Win/win. Right?