SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      Mobile Version     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact
CapitolFax.com
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
Question of the day

Tuesday, Feb 25, 2014

* There’s a move afoot to consolidate the four pension reform lawsuits. AP

Lawyers representing the respective groups of state retirees who filed class-action suits have asked the Supreme Court to allow them to present their cases as one.

The groups share the common claim that the new pension reform plan violates the state constitution, which says benefits may not be diminished.

Because three of the cases were filed in Sangamon County Court and another in Cook County Circuit Court, the Supreme Court must choose a court to hear a case if the motion is granted.

* The Question: Should a Sangamon or Cook County judge handle these consolidated cases? Take the poll and then explain your answer in comments, please.


polls & surveys

- Posted by Rich Miller        


50 Comments
  1. - Bobbysox - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 12:40 pm:

    Sangamon is the place where legislation occurs, and it is the home to many public employees adversely affected by this Act. I believe the only “logical” reason to hear it in Cook County for is for purposes of political clout.


  2. - bigred - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 12:40 pm:

    In Cook, there are many more Judges and individually they are less impacted by a ruling that is against the public’s view. In Sangamon, a Judge who rules against the common view,he stands a great chance of being ousted come election time


  3. - VanillaMan - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 12:44 pm:

    Cook because it is the state capitol is located!

    Right?


  4. - anon - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 12:45 pm:

    For speed of resolution, Cook County might have the edge if the attorneys for the parties (including the AG) are located there. Otherwise, the attorneys will be asking for tons of continuances to accomodate travel.


  5. - Marty - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 12:46 pm:

    Sangamon County as it is the State Capitol, site of 3 of 4 of the suits filed, and home of the AG’s offices.


  6. - rolling meadows - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 12:46 pm:

    Sangamon because they could use the business


  7. - fed up - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 12:47 pm:

    try and find a Cook co judge no beholden to Madigan or Burke, dont know how it is in Sangamon Co but must be more legit than cook co.


  8. - anon - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 12:50 pm:

    Standard for ruling on a “Forum non conveniens” motion: In Illinois, the relevant private interest factors include “convenience of the parties; the relative ease of access to sources of testimonial, documentary, and real evidence; the availability of compulsory process to secure attendance of unwilling witnesses; the cost to obtain attendance of willing witnesses; the possibility of viewing the premises, if appropriate; and all other practical considerations that make a trial easy, expeditious, and inexpensive.” Dawdy v. Union Pacific R.R. Co., 207 Ill. 2d 167, 172 (2003).

    The relevant public interest factors include “the administrative difficulties caused when litigation is handled in a congested venue instead of being handled at its origin, the unfairness of imposing jury duty upon residents of a county with no connection of litigation, and the interest in having local controversies decided locally.”


  9. - PublicServant - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 12:51 pm:

    It would seem to me that Sangamon is the reasonable place to initially hear the case, since 3 of the lawsuits have already been filed there. It really doesn’t matter since the ISC will be making the final decision.


  10. - Irish - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 12:57 pm:

    Chicago needs the reform to stand, so it can do the same to it’s employees and retirees. So the further away from all the influences in chicago the better. Sangamon is the place. Besides it is 3 to 1 in Sangamon anyway


  11. - He Makes Ryan Look Like a Saint - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 1:01 pm:

    Sangamon, I believe that is the place of the STATE CAPITOL.


  12. - Yellow Dog Democrat - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 1:05 pm:

    Sangamon County. Fewer accusations of political fixins.


  13. - A guy... - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 1:06 pm:

    Said Cook because there’s a better roster of judges to look at there. This is a major league case. It should be in a major league court circuit. Having said that, if you offered me Des Moines, I would have taken it.


  14. - Robert the Bruce - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 1:08 pm:

    Cook. Too many public employees in Sangamon County, so judges there might be personally pressured to take the union’s side. That’s my best effort to explain my vote, which actually boils down to “I hope the law is upheld, and Cook gives this a better chance.”

    Not sure that it matters - won’t this be going to the Supremes no matter which way it is initially decided?


  15. - Norseman - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 1:14 pm:

    I believe the story is incorrect. The AG filed the motion to consolidate in Cook. Attorneys for the 3 downstate lawsuits have objected to the move. I believe there was another more accurate story in one of the papers that mentioned that the retired teachers thought their suit should stand on its own. With them in Cook and the others consolidated in Sangamon. Whether that is true, I don’t know.

    To the post, I voted for Sangamon. Concerned that Cook judicial system may be too tied in to Madigan - yes, you can slap me for the tinfoil hat.


  16. - plutocrat03 - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 1:15 pm:

    Cook County, that who pays the bill…..


  17. - MrJM - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 1:20 pm:

    Judge Brockton Lockwood (ret.): “You could buy a judge up there [in Cook County] cheaper than you can buy an attorney down here, and you knew what the outcome would be.”

    – MrJM


  18. - M Python - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 1:22 pm:

    The Arizona court that recently ruled upheld their constitution.


  19. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 1:25 pm:

    What’s the difference? The case will ultimately be decided by the Supreme Court.


  20. - Nieva - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 1:25 pm:

    I hope it is heard at Springfield. No particular reason except my next raise is riding on it.


  21. - G'Kar - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 1:29 pm:

    I voted Sangamon simply because in my gut I don’t trust Cook county. I realize that is probably just my downstate bias at work (that’s not meant to be a snark or anything else, it is simply my gut feeling!).


  22. - YO - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 1:42 pm:

    I voted Sangamon. Guess that’s my upstate bias against the corrupt Cook


  23. - gesquire - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 1:50 pm:

    I’d roll the dice with the Cook Co. Chancery Division. Remember Judge Billik ruled against Quinn on the union pay increases.


  24. - kcjenkins - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 1:52 pm:

    This appears to be a motion under Supreme Court Rule 384. The standard is fairly elastic — consolidation occurs where it would “serve the convenience of the parties and witnesses and would promote the just and efficient conduct” of the actions. Assuming the motion is granted, the forum is likely to depend on where the majority of the witnesses are located — Sangamon or Cook.


  25. - Just Observing - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 1:53 pm:

    I vote for a Pope County judge.


  26. - Under Further Review - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 2:23 pm:

    There will be greater accountability outside of Chicago.


  27. - dupage dan - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 2:48 pm:

    I wonder how much it matters since all 4 cases will end up at the IL SC. Springfield is the capitol. It is where legislation originates. It should start there.


  28. - Skeptic - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 3:04 pm:

    Can we vote for Madison county? Maybe then it would not only be voted unconstitutional, but with a bit fat punitive award too!


  29. - Walker - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 3:17 pm:

    Don’t care much, since the jurists will do their best on such a public issue.

    If there’s any potential location bias, I actually think it’s less in Cook Co.


  30. - SAP - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 3:25 pm:

    Sangamon, because I think it is biased in favor of the plaintiffs.


  31. - RNUG - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 3:27 pm:

    Sangamon - primarily because it is the theoritical State Capitol, the meeting location of the General Assembly that enacted the law, where 3 of the suits were filed, and probably the county with the most state employees / retirees.

    Having said that, if it goes to the ISC in the next year or so, it ends up in Chicago anyway because that is where the ISC temporarily is.


  32. - x ace - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 4:04 pm:

    Mr. MJM above via the Lockwood quote says it all.


  33. - D.P.Gumby - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 4:35 pm:

    Most all Sangamon judges elected as Republicans; most all Cook judges elected as Democrats. Does it really matter?


  34. - PoolGuy - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 4:40 pm:

    Sangamon as for reasons previously mentioned and just so whatever decision is made it doesn’t have the perception of Cook County taint. grants ISC will make final ruling/decision.


  35. - Levois - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 4:45 pm:

    Sangamon County would be considered neutral territory compared to Cook County. Add that to the many who state that Sangamon is the home county to this state’s capitol!


  36. - Skirmisher - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 4:47 pm:

    Sangamon is central in the state and home of the state capitol. Those most impacted ate concentrated in Sangamon. So Sangamon it is. I admit also there is a strong perception in my part of the world that there is no branch of government in Cook County, judiciary included, who are not beholden to those in charge of the Democrat political machine. The only reason the Governor could possibly want to change the venue to Chicago is to stack the deck in his favor.


  37. - Jack Handy - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 5:01 pm:

    Arizona. Less Madigan influence … maybe.


  38. - Earl Shumaker - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 5:16 pm:

    I voted for Springfield because Madigan is in control of Chicago politics


  39. - DuPage - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 5:29 pm:

    In Cook County the decision would be suspect, either way.


  40. - Mama - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 5:41 pm:

    Cook County because Sangamon Co heard the case against the State for charging retirees a fee for their health insurance. Free Health Ins is a benefit and charging a fee is a diminishment. We all know how the Sangamon County court ruled in that case. No good!


  41. - amIrepresented - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 5:49 pm:

    Anyone know if the lawsuit(s) will cover the group of people who have left state employment, are vested, but are not yet eligible for retirement?


  42. - Anonymous - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 6:14 pm:

    The State Universities Annuitants Association is supposedly going to file a suit in Champaign County at some point in the near future.


  43. - Norseman - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 6:22 pm:

    === Anyone know if the lawsuit(s) will cover the group of people who have left state employment, are vested, but are not yet eligible for retirement? ===

    I don’t recall that any of the suits reference this specific cohort. However, I believe that they need to address every permutation of affected state employee. The overall intent is to overturn the changes made by the law. This will have a beneficial effect on all prospective retirees and current retirees.


  44. - Norseman - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 6:23 pm:

    Oops, meant “DON’T” need to address …


  45. - amIrepresented - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 6:38 pm:

    Thanks Norseman.


  46. - RNUG - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 7:01 pm:

    Norseman,

    Expect there will be a full house tomorrow at RSEA. I’m planning to be there; should be interesting.


  47. - foster brooks - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 7:11 pm:

    what county was involved in silver shovel?


  48. - Norseman - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 7:27 pm:

    RNUG, should be crowded. Look forward to hearing more on this subject. Be nice to keep the venue here.


  49. - CLYDE - Tuesday, Feb 25, 14 @ 8:16 pm:

    We have a better chance in Sangamon Co., than Cook, hopefully the judges will be fair!


  50. - Draznnl - Wednesday, Feb 26, 14 @ 12:37 am:

    Sangamon because it’s less likely the judge will owe his job to Mike Madigan.


Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.


* Reader comments closed until Tuesday
* Oh, for crying out loud
* Not as simple as it may look
* *** UPDATED x1 *** State complies with court order on DD payments
* *** UPDATED x1 *** Question of the day
* Nuding praises Arduin
* YOU Matter to Illinois Credit Unions
* *** UPDATED x1 *** Point, counter-point
* Not there yet
* Will remap reform proposal hurt Democrats?
* Where are they now?
* Putting two and two together
* No excuse for this loophole
* From a "trap" to a "magnet"
* FOP wants override of AFSCME bill veto
* Report: 34,000 losing independent living services
* No movement yet
* Today's number: $58.1 million
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Supplement to today’s edition
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Today's edition of Capitol Fax (use all CAPS in password)
* Yesterday's blog posts

Support CapitolFax.com
Visit our advertisers...

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............


Search This Blog...

Search the 98th General Assembly By Bill Number
(example: HB0001)

Search the 98th General Assembly By Keyword

          
        * Giffiti Jazzes Up Photos With GIFs
        * Here is a press render of the new Motorola Moto 360
        * XDream X-Power Plus review
        * Huawei Watch teaser highlights key qualities, notes IFA 2015 appearance
        * How to set up the fingerprint scanner on a Samsung device
        * Where is the Nexus smartwatch?
        * Verizon will not be cutting off two-year contracts for existing customers

        * Ventura keeps disappointment in perspective
        * Rotation adjustment made for road trip
        * Sale tries to figure out playoff-chasing Twins
        * Dodgers-White Sox Fantasy Camp signups open
        * White Sox steal finale win from Mariners
        * Sale tries to figure out playoff-chasing Twins
        * Ventura keeps disappointment in perspective

        ...............


        Main Menu
        Home
        Illinois
        YouTube
        Pundit rankings
        Obama
        Subscriber Content
        Durbin
        Burris
        Blagojevich Trial
        Advertising
        Updated Posts
        Polls

        Archives
        August 2015
        July 2015
        June 2015
        May 2015
        April 2015
        March 2015
        February 2015
        January 2015
        December 2014
        November 2014
        October 2014
        September 2014
        August 2014
        July 2014
        June 2014
        May 2014
        April 2014
        March 2014
        February 2014
        January 2014
        December 2013
        November 2013
        October 2013
        September 2013
        August 2013
        July 2013
        June 2013
        May 2013
        April 2013
        March 2013
        February 2013
        January 2013
        December 2012
        November 2012
        October 2012
        September 2012
        August 2012
        July 2012
        June 2012
        May 2012
        April 2012
        March 2012
        February 2012
        January 2012
        December 2011
        November 2011
        October 2011
        September 2011
        August 2011
        July 2011
        June 2011
        May 2011
        April 2011
        March 2011
        February 2011
        January 2011
        December 2010
        November 2010
        October 2010
        September 2010
        August 2010
        July 2010
        June 2010
        May 2010
        April 2010
        March 2010
        February 2010
        January 2010
        December 2009
        November 2009
        October 2009
        September 2009
        August 2009
        July 2009
        June 2009
        May 2009
        April 2009
        March 2009
        February 2009
        January 2009
        December 2008
        November 2008
        October 2008
        September 2008
        August 2008
        July 2008
        June 2008
        May 2008
        April 2008
        March 2008
        February 2008
        January 2008
        December 2007
        November 2007
        October 2007
        September 2007
        August 2007
        July 2007
        June 2007
        May 2007
        April 2007
        March 2007
        February 2007
        January 2007
        December 2006
        November 2006
        October 2006
        September 2006
        August 2006
        July 2006
        June 2006
        May 2006
        April 2006
        March 2006
        February 2006
        January 2006
        December 2005
        April 2005
        March 2005
        February 2005
        January 2005
        December 2004
        November 2004
        October 2004

        Blog*Spot Archives
        November 2005
        October 2005
        September 2005
        August 2005
        July 2005
        June 2005
        May 2005

        Syndication

        RSS Feed 2.0
        Comments RSS 2.0
        WordPress

        Loading


        * Report: Charities received little of millions company raised
        * Woman dead, child severely injured in Swansea stabbing
        * Charges announced in Robbins crash that killed parents
        * Scientists help when suburban corpse flower doesn't bloom
        * Illinois investigates parole board members' bankruptcies
        * Woman reports $20K worth of jewelry stolen from Peoria home
        * Galesburg residents remember 2 students killed in car crash
        * Exelon mulls closure of unprofitable Quad Cities nuke plant
        * Midewin National Tallgrass Prairie prepares for bison herd
        * Legionnaires' disease cases climb at Illinois veterans home

        * Exelon mulls closure of unprofitable Quad Cities nuke plant
        * Illinois investigates state parole board members' bankruptcies
        * Statehouse Insider: Illinois State Fair: Fair or flop?
        * Illinois will be first state to lock painkiller pill bottles
        * Donna Arduin out as Gov. Rauner's state budget adviser
        * Cash-strapped Illinois: Can't do 'impossible' on social service payments
        * Arduin out as state budget adviser
        * Rauner signs bill allowing township governments to dissolve
        * Budget consultant may get second contract extension from Rauner administration
        * Judge will privately review disputed Schock documents

        * Waiting for Godot, and Spirit Airlines
        * No more porn in Hyatt Hotels?
        * Market for taxi medallion loans grinding to a halt
        * What Americans really think about McDonald's
        * New hospital won't go it alone


          * The color of his shirt cost college student Alan Oliva his life
          * Mayor: Equip all Milwaukee beat police with body cameras
          * Man shot in South Chicago neighborhood
          * Police release sketch of suspected Willowbrook attacker
          * Cops: Man with dementia missing from Humboldt Park has been located
          * Botanic Garden corpse flower 'Spike' gets assist to open
          * Arlington Heights man charged with assaulting two juvenile relatives
          * Naperville mom threatened repo men with loaded gun, cops say
          * Man, 61, missing for 3 days from Lawndale neighborhood
          * 70-year-old Gary man dies after being hit by train


          * Exelon mulls closure of unprofitable Quad Cities nuke plant
          * Illinois investigates state parole board members' bankruptcies
          * Our Opinion: Drop in Illinois State Fair attendance not such a mystery
          * Bernard Schoenburg: 'Great conversation' has Rep. Rodney Davis hopeful about VA head
          * Statehouse Insider: Illinois State Fair: Fair or flop?
          * Statehouse Insider: Illinois State Fair: Fair or flop?
          * Write to us: Tell us your volunteer story
          * Illinois will be first state to lock painkiller pill bottles
          * Donna Arduin out as Gov. Rauner's state budget adviser
          * Cash-strapped Illinois: Can't do 'impossible' on social service payments


          * Sept. 1 Illini volleyball chat
          * Officer who found child honored at Homer event
          * John Roska: Headphones a no-no while driving
          * Hazardous toxins should be removed
          * Talk dirt to me
          * Getting Personal: Matthew Duco
          * Studio Visit: Kemal Nance
          * No good reason to hire Salaita
          * Jim Dey: Murder case should be open-and-shut
          * Rob Kanter: Perspective on coyotes


          * Texans take preseason win over Saints 27-13
          * Turner Field US flag at half-staff after fan dies in fall
          * White House renames Mount McKinley as Denali on eve of trip
          * Holland Ks 11 for Texas in 6-0 win over O's for 3-game sweep
          * Tomsula: LB Brooks won't return to 49ers practice this week

          * House lawmakers overcome hurdle on key tra...
          * Rodney Davis talks funding with Bloomingto...
          * The agency that fought Illiana gets a new ...
          * Rep. Dold takes educational cruise down Ch...
          * Lawmakers decry high turnover rate of VA h...
          * CBD Oil, and politics
          * Simon considering state Senate bid
          * Killer Congressman Tom MacArthur trying to...
          * Shutdown? State may not notice
          * Rep. Bob Dold

          * Illinois' Durbin gets a shot at political ......
          * Iran deal gives Sen. Durbin a shot at poli......

          * Shangri-La set to tee off at NBO Golf Clas......

          * TrackNotes: Don't Go, American Pharoah
          * The [Tuesday] Papers
          * The Weekend Desk Report
          * The White and the Black: Mies's Federal Plaza overrun with Dîner en Blanc
          * Junkspace Museum on Mag Mile: Victory Monument for The Architecture of the Age of the Supply Chain
          * One of-a-kind: ArchiTech Gallery of Architectural Art closes in December; but last exhibition - Burnham, Sullivan and Wright - closes Saturday
          * Capitol Fax: Alvarez fighting to obtain party nod
          * Neil Elementary School’s Annual Back To School Barbeque
          * PHOTO: Public notice at Shedd School
          * Shedd school meeting with Alderman


          * Governor Announces Appointments
          * State to Issue $16 million in Credits to Reverse Penalties for Monthly Electronic Wage Reporting - Rules provide relief for nearly 13,000 employers over the next six months
          * GOMB Director Issues Statement
          * Governor Takes Bill Action
          * Governor Rauner Requests SBA Assistance for Grundy, Iroquois Counties - Declaration would help people and businesses affected by summer storms with low-interest, long-term loans to help with recovery




              Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller