SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      Mobile Version     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact
CapitolFax.com
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
Today’s constitutional amendment quotables

Monday, Mar 24, 2014

* David Yepsen on Speaker Madigan’s proposed income tax surcharge on income over a million dollars and Bruce Rauner’s term limits proposal

Rauner’s term-limit push reinforces his theme that Illinois government is in shambles because it is overrun with career politicians. Madigan’s plan, however, may provide a way for disillusioned Democrats to come home despite their frustration with the Democratic-sponsored, Quinn-signed law to curb public employee pension benefits.

“I can see people voting for both (proposed amendments) — screw the rich people and throw the bums out,” Yepsen said. “But this is a way Democrats can get a piece of that anger.”

* From the Tribune editorial board

House Speaker Michael Madigan, who helped create the Quinncome tax hike, now wants to change the subject. On Thursday he said he’ll ask lawmakers to put on the November ballot an income tax increase of 3 percentage points on personal income that exceeds $1 million. Seven weeks earlier, though, Madigan proposed to cut in half the state income tax on corporations. But a month before that, he complained that some companies “don’t pay their fair share.”

Go figure. If Madigan hasn’t yet offered a tax policy you like, give him time. Will he and other Quinncome taxers now raise rates or cut spending?

* Mark Brown on Rauner’s term limits proposal

Based on the emails I’m receiving, I think many voters will be surprised to learn it wouldn’t bring the immediate end of Madigan’s reign, but would immediately give more power to Illinois’ next governor. (Now, who might that be?) […]

The other provision would make it more difficult for legislators to override a governor’s veto by increasing the required 3/5 majority vote of both chambers to a 2/3 majority. The obvious purpose is to strengthen Rauner’s hand against Madigan, which isn’t a good reason to tinker with the state Constitution.

Did any of you feel Rod Blagojevich wasn’t given enough power? Do you think Illinois would be better off today if only Blago could have kept the Legislature in better check with his veto? See what I mean.

The strangest part is that neither of these proposals were the result of public clamoring or offered by some good government think tank. Instead, both were dreamed up by Rauner and his lawyers in hopes of cobbling something together that would help the term limits amendment pass muster with the Supreme Court.

Discuss.

- Posted by Rich Miller        


26 Comments
  1. - VanillaMan - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 11:04 am:

    Other states have term limits. They aren’t being ran like little dictatorships. And we’re talking good, well ran states - not states at the bottom like Illinois.

    Rauner’s proposal hasn’t been done before in Illinois, but tax increases have been done repeatedly.

    How about Madigan proposing something that hasn’t been shown to be a complete failure up to now? Rauner’s proposal has been shown by other US states not to be a failure.

    You know, SO - how about proposing something that has proven to work well in other states, instead of something that has been proven NOT TO WORK in other states?

    That’s all!


  2. - VanillaMan - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 11:05 am:

    What a minute - Brown is warning Illinoisans about giving a guy too much political power?

    OMALOL!


  3. - phocion - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 11:10 am:

    Does Mark Brown understand that if those additional items aren’t “cobbled together” with term limits, the Supreme Court has said it would invalidate the term limits amendment.


  4. - G'Kar - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 11:13 am:

    I thought world class newspapers avoided, even in their editorials, derogatory “nicknames” like “Quinncome Tax.” Oh, wait a minute, we are talking about the Chicago Tribune. Never mind.


  5. - langhorne - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 11:30 am:

    its an awful amendment–the term limits (more power to lobbyists and staff, even less knowledgeable membership); override ratio; reduction in senate districts (massive downstate districts, drawn by guess who?).

    but hey, people like “term limits”. democracy brought to you for $2 a signature, by the guy w an $18 watch.


  6. - MEP - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 11:32 am:

    Quinncome tax hike? You know, if the Tribune, IL GOP, etc. spent half as much time on thoughtful ideas, campaign strategies and working hard as they do on silly nicknames maybe conservatives in Illinois wouldn’t be so irrelevant.

    Also, considering the Chicago Tribune (enthusiastically) endorsed Louis Viverito once only mentioning he was a Madigan ally I do not understand how they get the high ground on villifying the Speaker.
    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-10-18/news/0410180215_1_26th-district-assistant-majority-leader-5th-district


  7. - A guy... - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 11:36 am:

    God Bless Mark Brown for coming by his goofy thoughts in an honest way. He doesn’t hide it. Perhaps Oak Park should file an amendment seeking statehood. The capitol could be at the library and Wordslinger could be the Governor. We could do a lot worse than that.


  8. - Smoke and Mirrors - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 11:40 am:

    I think it is time the news media starts reporting on the term limits amendment! The Career politicians 8 years term limit would not start until they end the term they are elected to in 2014. So the Career politicians have at least until 2024 until they run out of time. So they have another TEN YEARS to finish up destroying the state. They have TEN more years of pension payments. Lets all be honest! The only thing this amendment will do if it is passed, is maybe change a few things in the next decade maybe. Now you see why the career politicians are not saying much. They have another ten years and the leaders will retire by the time the term limits come into affect. Then they will then get jobs as lobbyist while they draw their lavish pensions! This amendment looks good in the headlines, but isn’t going to fix our problems!


  9. - Anon - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 11:54 am:

    The burden is on proponents to demonstrate term limits improve government. Improvements certainly haven’t been apparent in California and other states with legislative term limits.


  10. - Ghost - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 11:55 am:

    Term Limits:

    If experience at what you do is bad, then why hasnt rauner been removed from his current job after 8 years?

    Show me any job where somone wants the least experienced person to handle it and no one with experience around to assist….except the lobbiest. They will be the only experienced people left…thats what we need, inexperienced politicians relying on lobbiests to help them.

    How about Griffin? shouldnt he be fired, he has been over his investment business for more then 8 years…..

    I suppose when Rauner hires an attorney he goes straight to the graduating class abnd refuses to have aid from lawyers with more then 8 years of experience in his legal matters…..


  11. - Norseman - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 11:55 am:

    === Does Mark Brown understand that if those additional items aren’t “cobbled together” with term limits, the Supreme Court has said it would invalidate the term limits amendment. ===

    Yes, and that’s the point. The cobbled items are bad ideas that shouldn’t be supported because the constitution doesn’t allow referendum enactment on the central point.


  12. - UIC Guy - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 12:04 pm:

    I’m struck by a contrast. Madigan wanted to cut state pensions, which on the face of it violates the constitution, but did not propose a constitutional amendment. Now he wants to raise tax-rates on the highest earners, also on the fact of it a violation of the constitution, and in this case he does propose a constitutional amendment.

    I don’t know what to make of this difference but can’t help feeling that it is significant in some way. Any ideas?


  13. - Soccermom - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 12:23 pm:

    Anybody who thinks term limits are a good idea should look at California. Thanks to legislative term limits, the brilliant and experienced Jerry Brown is running through the legislature like a hot knife through butter. Personally, I like Gov. Brown. But I don’t think it would be a bad idea if there were someone just as savvy and experienced to balance his power a bit.

    And here’s another thought — with term limits, you’re up or out. So at every level, legislators are constantly vying with each other for the next rung on the ladder. That can’t lead to cooperation and collegiality, just more showboating.

    We have term limits. They are called elections. I don’t want to lose my excellent state Senator (Don Harmon! Holla!) just because somebody in Carbondale doesn’t like Madigan.


  14. - Rich Miller - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 12:24 pm:

    ===Anybody who thinks term limits are a good idea should look at California===

    You mean a state that’s getting its act together?


  15. - CollegeStudent - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 12:44 pm:

    OK, look at Missouri and Arkansas, which have had term limits for a generation, minimal legislative productivity, and are generally hacking away at governmental support structures to the state’s detriment.

    Term limits only seem to introduce more ideologues into state government who have little clue that in order to get stuff passed, they need to work together with those who disagree with them, and by the time they figure that out, they’re about to term out.


  16. - Pete - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 12:50 pm:

    I can only remember all those special sessions where the legislature wouldn’t pass anything.

    Emergency special sessions called over and over with no teeth. Is there a way to fix that?


  17. - Pete - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 12:53 pm:

    “That can’t lead to cooperation and collegiality, just more showboating.”

    Did Soccermom miss the Pension reform battle between Madigan and Cullerton? The current system is neither cooperative nor collegial.


  18. - Captain Illini - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 1:03 pm:

    Term limits on their face is a populist idea who’s time has come. The voting system is broken due to bipartisan efforts to kill open voting in the primaries. Any time you have less than 50% of the voting public…which is every primary…then you have a system where only the connected get elected. Not to say that won’t happen during a term limited election, but at least they are there only 8 years versus 40…just sayin’


  19. - Demoralized - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 1:14 pm:

    Term limits are a horrible idea. We already have term limits. It’s called voting. Term limits are for people who want to whine and complain because they don’t like the outcome of elections. So, since they don’t get their way they want the law to do it for them.

    I’m going to continue to say this over and over as long as this discussion is out there. If people want term limits then why not get rid of elections. Do it like jury duty. When your number comes up you serve.

    Term limits are the antithesis of democracy.


  20. - Yellow Dog Democrat - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 1:25 pm:

    Rich -

    Correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe you coined the term “Quinncome tax”? I guess you shoulda copyrighted.


  21. - circularfiringsquad - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 1:31 pm:

    Mr/Ms CollegeStudent
    “OK lets look at Missouri & Arkansas”
    Yup that would be our role models..and you can marry your first cousin too.


  22. - girllawyer - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 1:31 pm:

    UIC, I think the answer is simple. A constitutional amendment is not retroactive. A constitutional amendment now would only change things beginning when it took effect. It would have no effect on the decades of pensions earned before. It also would be a sort of acknowlegement that a change is needed and thus undermine the argument that the constitution as it exists now allows this “reform”.


  23. - Pete - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 1:35 pm:

    Elections as a term limit would be fine, if the gerrymandering of districts didn’t occur. Since the political landscape is changed to suit the candidate or the controlling political party, then term limits are the best option.

    Remap the districts so that it’s fixed by geography instead of population or ethnicity and I’d be infavor of leaving things as is.


  24. - UIC Guy - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 1:50 pm:

    @girllawyer, 1:31
    ===A constitutional amendment… would have no effect on the decades of pensions earned before===

    Thanks for the response. I’m not sure it’s right, though, or at least not without dubious parsing of ‘earned before’. My retired colleagues earned a certain amount as pension AND a 3% compounded annual increase of that amount. The bill takes much of that increase away from them. Surely a constitutional amendment repealing the pension clause would simply ensure that a challenge to that bill (or worse ones that might come later) would fail. Surely a constitutional amendment can do whatever it says it does, since it’s the highest law in the state (leaving Federal law out of account)?


  25. - Gramps - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 1:59 pm:

    ===Show me any job where somone wants the least experienced person to handle it and no one with experience around to assist…=== We have an awful lot of experienced politicians running things now….Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think things are going all that well.


  26. - Secret Square - Monday, Mar 24, 14 @ 3:55 pm:

    I think term limits could work IF they were made significantly longer for legislators, say, 16-20 years, than for executive branch officeholders (8-12 years, or 2-3 terms). A 20-year limit would be long enough to prevent wholesale turnover and loss of institutional memory (most legislators will quit or be voted out before they reach the limit anyway) but short enough to prevent entrenched lifetime tenure.


Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.


* Another angle on the IHSA lawsuit
* Was Rauner consultant behind anti-Schock ads?
* False equivalence taken too far
* The weekend in Facebook
* Subscribers Only - Events list (use last week's password)
* Question of the day
* Republicans look to the future
* *** UPDATED x1 - Beer tickets? *** OEIG: Rednour solicited a big gift, Bliefnick improperly accepted gifts
* Rauner investing heavily in campaign infrastructure
* Yet another stumble
* Yesterday's blog posts

Support CapitolFax.com
Visit our advertisers...

...............

...............


Search This Blog...

Search the 98th General Assembly By Bill Number
(example: HB0001)

Search the 98th General Assembly By Keyword

          
        * iPhone 6 hardware upgrades, Moto/Google Nexus phablet, HTC One W8 & more – Pocketnow Daily
        * Smartphone giveaway: win a Huawei Ascend Mate2 4G LTE from Huawei and Pocketnow
        * Fitbit: New on Windows Phone 8.1
        * Facebook to Cut Messaging From Main App in Effort to Focus on Facebook Messenger
        * Cortana vs. Siri shown off on latest Microsoft ad
        * Fitbit arrives for Windows Phone 8.1!
        * Kyocera’s sapphire-screened smartphone leaks as the Brigadier for Verizon

        * Feature or product, Dropbox just needs to survive Amazon, Google and Microsoft
        * What might the U.S. Army use 3D printing for? Everything
        * Facebook Pulling Messages from iOS, Android Apps in Favor of Messenger
        * The Traveling Photographer's Fully Loaded Bags
        * NetWORKing for a Job
        * Now that it’s almost officially legal, here’s how to unlock your phone on all four U.S. carriers
        * Roll Your Sweat Pants like an Army Ranger to Save Packing Space

        * Frank Thomas lets it out, lets everybody in during Hall of Fame speech
        * This Week in White Sox Minor League Baseball
        * White Sox Minor League Update: July 27-Aug. 2
        * New draftee Rodon tops White Sox updated Top 20
        * White Sox focused on long-term at Trade Deadline
        * White Sox focused on long term at Trade Deadline
        * Carroll strong but bullpen falters in finale


        Main Menu
        Home
        Illinois
        YouTube
        Pundit rankings
        Obama
        Subscriber Content
        Durbin
        Burris
        Blagojevich Trial
        Advertising
        Updated Posts
        Polls

        Archives
        July 2014
        June 2014
        May 2014
        April 2014
        March 2014
        February 2014
        January 2014
        December 2013
        November 2013
        October 2013
        September 2013
        August 2013
        July 2013
        June 2013
        May 2013
        April 2013
        March 2013
        February 2013
        January 2013
        December 2012
        November 2012
        October 2012
        September 2012
        August 2012
        July 2012
        June 2012
        May 2012
        April 2012
        March 2012
        February 2012
        January 2012
        December 2011
        November 2011
        October 2011
        September 2011
        August 2011
        July 2011
        June 2011
        May 2011
        April 2011
        March 2011
        February 2011
        January 2011
        December 2010
        November 2010
        October 2010
        September 2010
        August 2010
        July 2010
        June 2010
        May 2010
        April 2010
        March 2010
        February 2010
        January 2010
        December 2009
        November 2009
        October 2009
        September 2009
        August 2009
        July 2009
        June 2009
        May 2009
        April 2009
        March 2009
        February 2009
        January 2009
        December 2008
        November 2008
        October 2008
        September 2008
        August 2008
        July 2008
        June 2008
        May 2008
        April 2008
        March 2008
        February 2008
        January 2008
        December 2007
        November 2007
        October 2007
        September 2007
        August 2007
        July 2007
        June 2007
        May 2007
        April 2007
        March 2007
        February 2007
        January 2007
        December 2006
        November 2006
        October 2006
        September 2006
        August 2006
        July 2006
        June 2006
        May 2006
        April 2006
        March 2006
        February 2006
        January 2006
        December 2005
        April 2005
        March 2005
        February 2005
        January 2005
        December 2004
        November 2004
        October 2004

        Blog*Spot Archives
        November 2005
        October 2005
        September 2005
        August 2005
        July 2005
        June 2005
        May 2005

        Syndication

        RSS Feed 2.0
        Comments RSS 2.0
        WordPress

        Loading


        * Great grandmother asks for clemency from Illino.....
        * Alderman knocks Emanuel for not attending Shami.....
        * Former Gov. Ryan reflects on prison time - WLS-TV..
        * State fair officials fined for free beer giveaw.....
        * Quinn directs EPA to disallow PCBs at Clinton L.....
        * Quinn bans PCBs at Clinton Landfill - Champaign.....
        * State fair officials nailed for free beer givea.....


        * No bond for 2 Chicago men accused of shooting boy
        * APNewsBreak: Illinois: Doctor faked pot paperwork
        * Quinn says state EPA will block PCBs from landfill
        * Illinois fair managers fined for free beer tickets
        * Cool summer keeping West Nile in check in Illinois
        * Illinois communities scramble to find road salt
        * Illinois coal exports dip in 2013 after sharp rise
        * More Illinois state workers making over $100,000
        * Carpentersville man pleads guilty to bomb threats
        * Suspect killed after scuffle with Chicago officer

        * Sangamon County on its own for winter road salt
        * Illinois State Fair manager fined by ethics commission for accepting free beer tickets
        * Sangamon County on its own for road salt
        * Lawyers will push to speed up pension reform ruling
        * Quinn says state EPA will block PCBs from Clinton landfill
        * State appeals court upholds FutureGen power agreement
        * Concealed carry rules tough on out-of-state residents
        * Regulators say Illinois doctor faked pot paperwork
        * Quinn aide: Court rulings don’t jeopardize federal health-care subsidies
        * Illinois communities scramble to find road salt

        * Illinois regulators say suburban Chicago doctor faked pot paperwork
        * Road salt in July? Illinois towns scrambling now for winter supplies
        * Inspector General: Metra workers falsified time sheets
        * Southwest fined $12 million for flying airliners without making proper repairs
        * FAA proposes $12 million fine against Southwest over repairs


        * A pardon for actual innocence Gov. Quinn should grant
        * Watchdog needs independence
        * Man dead, police officer wounded after shooting in Bucktown
        * Man dead, off-duty police officer wounded in Bucktown shooting
        * A pardon for actual innocent Gov. Quinn should grant
        * 2 charged with attempted murder in shooting of 3-year-old
        * Photographer outraged at social media censoring of photos of moms, kids
        * Man accused of stealing kid’s bike charged with hitting dad
        * 2 teens killed, 2 hurt in crash


        * E15 gasoline proposal goes nowhere at City Council hearing
        * Palatine man dies 10 days after bar fight
        * Homewood cop fired after shooting dog
        * Gary picks new police chief after 'heinous' murders
        * Motorcyclist, 23, dies during Schaumburg crash
        * Chicago alderman arrested for DUI
        * Chicago alderman arrested for DUI
        * State fair managers punished in free beer ticket scandal
        * Police: Boy, 15, charged with murder in death of teen
        * Doctor could lose license over fake cannabis eligibility form


        * Exoneree Diaries: "You've got anger issues, Dad."
        * Clout On The Business Side of Medical Marijuana
        * So, when is it Jane Byrne's turn?
        * State Police Cancels New Trooper Training, Citing Budget
        * Feds' Immigrant Numbers For Illinois May Not Tell Whole Story
        * Listen to State Week - July 25, 2014
        * Inspector General Discloses Political Hiring Investigation
        * Man Robbed By Fake Police On I-55
        * Business, Labor Leaders Urge Quinn Administration To Finish Fracking Rules
        * Pullman to get an indoor sports facility


        * Sangamon County on its own for road salt
        * Illinois State Fair manager fined by ethics commission for accepting free beer tickets
        * Quinn says state EPA will block PCBs from Clinton landfill
        * Regulators say Illinois doctor faked pot paperwork
        * Illinois communities scramble to find road salt
        * New law expands state Holocaust Commission
        * Quinn, Rauner budget plans debatable
        * Angie Muhs: Who will be the next First Citizen?
        * Tony Leone: Put the ALPLM under federal control
        * Back pay, OT pushes state government’s ‘$100,000 club’ to 7,800


        * SportsTalk 7-28-14
        * APNewsBreak: Illinois: Doctor faked pot paperwork
        * Vets react with skepticism, hope to proposed VA reforms
        * Warriors compete at Arsenal to see who's best
        * Public meeting Tuesday set on high-speed rail
        * 'Tragic accident': Belleville man drowns in Swansea lake
        * Carbondale man sentenced on pot charges
        * Boil order issued for some customers in Lake of Egypt Water District
        * Boil order lifted for customers on Illinois 37 in Lake of Egypt Water District
        * Carbondale man sentenced for drug offenses


        * Deal to improve veterans' health care costs $17 billion
        * Funeral planned for Barrington infant who starved to death
        * Judge: Elgin Mental health escapee to get fitness test
        * Furor engulfs Chicago's red-light camera system
        * No bond for suspects accused of shooting toddler

        * Roskam mapping next House chapter, doublin...
        * What's next for Peter Roskam? - Chicago Su...
        * Officials push for funds to finish West Ch...
        * DuPage leaders on W. Chicago thorium clean...
        * Rep. Roskam: IRS Budget Cuts Best Way to C...
        * ASK PETER: Building a 21st Century Workfor...
        * Roskam mapping next House chapter, doublin...
        * Roskam 'doubling down' on fundraising - Ch...
        * Officials push for funds to finish West Ch...
        * DuPage leaders on W. Chicago thorium clean...

        * Senator Durbin: State of Illinois Takes De......
        * Senator Durbin: State of Illinois Takes De......
        * Senator Durbin: State of Illinois Takes De......
        * pjohnf - Illlinois Dem leaders urge minimu......
        * YouGov finds rosy picture for GOP in Senat......

        * Kirk speaks at rally: ‘In the Senate, we s......
        * Israeli-Palestinian conflict spurs dueling......

        * Study reveals the hidden cost of foreclosures in Chicago neighborhoods
        * Leasing Agents have three days left for license renewals
        * Tea Party leader tells conservatives to put on "big boy" pants, support Rauner
        * Illinois Congressman Gutiérrez admits new Dem voters is real reason for amnesty
        * Schimpf poll indicates Illinois voters disinterested in social issues
        * Feud over Obama protests sends Wisconsin police chief on leave
        * Gov. Quinn to live off equivalent of minimum wage as campaign stunt
        * Niles city council allows gun shop despite anti-gun moms' protests
        * Chicago Police Sergeant Harasses Red Light Cam Protesters: You’re Just as Bad as Gang Members
        * Tuesday: The Return of Helen Shiller To City Government?


        * Hoy Op-Ed on Immigration
        * Governor Quinn Reminds Drivers to Take Caution in Work Zones, Directs State Agencies to Redouble Efforts to Protect Public and Workers - Encourages Public to Increase Vigilance Following I-55 Tragedy
        * Governor Quinn's Statement on the Unpatriotic Corporate Tax Inversion Loophole
        * Governor Quinn Statement on Eid al-Fitr
        * Regulators Charge Chicago Area Doctor with Cannabis Violations




            Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller