80 Comments - Demoralized - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 9:42 am: == but the department disclosed scant details about what happened== Probably because it’s nobody’s business. Why people think they are entitled to know everything is beyond me. - Anonymous - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 9:42 am: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” — Upton Sinclair - Nonplussed - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 9:45 am: “It is hard to believe a man is telling the truth, when you know that you would lie if you were in his place” –HL Mencken - Walker - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 9:46 am: Climate scientists aren’t interested in perpetrating hoaxes on mankind. That job’s for narrow profiteers, lobbyists and political ideologues. - wordslinger - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 9:46 am: Shocking candidness from Emanuel. As far as Gonet, no shock at all. The dude’s a tout for coal, what’s he going to say? Big tobacco had their touts, too, saying it was all good. - Apacolypse Now - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 9:47 am: I disagree with Gonet. Global warming and global cooling have been going on for thousands of years. Why even before man was using fossil fuels. - Stones - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 9:48 am: Reasonable people can disagree on the issue of global warming but “the greatest hoax perpetuated on a human race” is just a little over the top. - Oswego Willy - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 9:51 am: Rahm gets the quote of the day; ===“I’m a spin doctor, not a medical doctor.”=== Covers so many sins, tells so many truths. - Bogart - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 9:55 am: Rahm just wrote Preckwinkle’s 1st mailer. “I’m a spin doctor, not a”…fill in ___________.” - OneMan - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 9:56 am: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” That explains about 90% of what goes on in Springfield IMHO…. - DuPage - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 9:56 am: Rahm: I’m a spin doctor”, he’s got that right! Exactly right. - siriusly - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 9:58 am: As the lobbyist for coal or any other industry you can go two routes: 1) 100% advocate for your industry’s more profitable position even when nasty things called “facts” don’t support your point of view. You will harden your supporters and they will help you win some battles just because you are fighting fiercely. Those who oppose you will win many other fights because you have no credibility when it comes to negotiating difficult and complex issues. 2) Acknowledge that there are different points of view, make positive contributions to public policy goals that align with your industry’s goals and work together with all parties. This approach requires some compromises but in the end, by being a credible partner with policy-makers you will also win many more battles over the very big issues. And with that I may change my name to professor siriusly. Clearly Mr. Gonet is a number 1 guy. I wish him luck with that - but facts, history and common sense are not his friends in that effort. Agree with demoralized - McCarthy’s health is his private business. The department and the public need to know the basics because he is a public official - but all of us have our health information protected by privacy laws - as it should be. - Wumpus - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 9:59 am: I agree with apocolypse now. - Annie - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:03 am: So the ice is not melting? Hooray! - Dan Johnson - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:04 am: It seems so weird. If we burn trillions of pounds of fossil fuels and create trillions of tons of pollution, why would all that pollution over 150 years change the atmosphere? It must be a hoax. Let’s burn more stuff! - kimocat - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:08 am: “I’m a paid shill for the coal industry. I’ll be upfront about that.” - Apacolypse Now - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:12 am: Global Warming!! Weren’t the Great Lakes frozen over this year? - SAP - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:15 am: Global Warming Denier = Science Denier. - Walker - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:18 am: The world looks flat from where I sit. How dare you question my opinion? - Bunson8r - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:20 am: John Oliver made the important point that we just need to stop paying any attention whatsoever to people who deny well-established scientific facts. It’s really depressing people actually put trust in someone who completely lacks the knowledge or scientific training to have a meaningful opinion on the effects our actions have on the Earth’s climate. Either way, with the shift away from utilizing coal as a fuel, Phil Gonet will be forgotten and will no longer have a platform from which to spew ignorance. - the Patriot - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:21 am: There is no evidence that we are causing the climate to change. The ice age ended a long time before we started burning coal. The earth has gone through periods of change and the science proven by thousands of years of history, not decades of paid studies shows humans have had little or not effect on it. Should we still try to do better. Sure, but not at the expense of starving people and making power completely out of reach creating serious poverty issues. Not to mention the realty is that less than 5% of the world lives in the US. the US is not going to have any significant effect. Want to make a difference. Get China and India on board as they have close to 1/3 of the worlds population. - Demoralized - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:22 am: I’ve always found people who are absolutely convinced that climate change is in no way caused by human activity to be extremely arrogant. To me it only takes a half a brain cell to realize that it just might be possible that belching pollution into the atmosphere just might have some effect on the climate. - Chicago Cynic - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:23 am: I love Phil Gonet. Don’t agree with a word he says but he’s so refreshingly honest about it. Besides, he’s a genuinely great guy. On Rahm, just trying in my head to hear Bones McCoy say this line instead. “Dammit Jim, I’m a spin doctor.” - Northsider - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:29 am: Phil Gonet, parading his well-compensated ignorance, has removed himself from any relevant conversation about global climate change. As for the Great Lakes having frozen over, there is a difference between weather and climate: Weather is what we experience in the short term, from year to year; climate is the long-term trend. More extreme weather was a predicted consequence of global climate warming, and that’s what’s happening. Trying to say “Well, winter was cold! What global warming?” is a strawman argument, and false. There is no “scientific debate” left to be had about global warming and the fact that we are responsible. It’s a cold, hard fact that burning hydrocarbon fuels is the direct cause of the atmospheric carbon spike that began (well, whaddyaknow?!) when we started burning giga-tons of coal and then oil. If we don’t wean ourselves from hydrocarbon fuels, we will make the situation worse than it is already guaranteed to be. The planet will survive. We and our civilization may or may not. Heeding Phil Gonet and his fellow travelers ensures the latter. - Ahoy! - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:30 am: Rahm’s quote was classic and head on, absolutely hilarious. Gonet’s quote is bothersome. He’s essentially saying that 99% of the scientists have gotten together and collaborated about pulling off an elaborate prank about climate change. I find that hard to believe, comparing over-whelming scientific data to crop circles makes him sound a little loony, but I guess when you’re getting paid big money to say things like that, you’re not to worried about it. - Nonplussed - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:30 am: “Global Warming!! Weren’t the Great Lakes frozen over this year?” That’s why we’re calling it Climate Change. Didn’t you get the memo? - Birdseed - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:32 am: === I’ve always found people who are absolutely convinced that climate change is in no way caused by human activity to be extremely arrogant. === Some would say that those thinking that humans have the ability to somehow cause global climate change are the arrogant ones. - Demoralized - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:35 am: ==Some would say that those thinking that humans have the ability to somehow cause global climate change are the arrogant ones.== So you can’t possibly see in your head how all that pollution humans produce just might have some impact on the climate? It doesn’t take much logic to figure that out - OneMan - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:43 am: The science is stronger on the fact there is change vs the relative role of human activity related to that change. http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/causes.html - South of Sherman - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:45 am: ==Some would say that those thinking that humans have the ability to somehow cause global climate change are the arrogant ones.== See, silly people? I told you there was nothing to worry about from atomic bombs! Nuclear winter is the SECOND greatest hoax that’s ever been perpetuated upon a human race! - Demoralized - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:46 am: To borrow from Dr. McCoy of Star Trek: “Dammit Jim, I’m a spin doctor, not a medical doctor.” - wordslinger - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:46 am: ==Some would say that those thinking that humans have the ability to somehow cause global climate change are the arrogant ones.== Isn’t it pretty obvious that human beings can alter the environment, for good and bad? Look around you. All that corn and beans isn’t the natural flora. The wetlands were drained and the prairie was put to the self-scouring plow in the blink of an eye, historically speaking. Two hundred years ago it would have been inconceivable that the great buffalo herds of the Plains could be hunted to near extinction in a matter of a few years. - OneMan - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:46 am: “I think that this climate change issue is the greatest hoax that’s ever been perpetuated upon a human race.” No, that would be Rod as Governor…. - VanillaMan - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:51 am: Coal is good. There is a new coal power plant opening up every week in China. That doesn’t even include the new coal power plants opening in India, Indonesia and in other parts of the booming world. Coal is needed more than ever before. Illinois is loaded with coal. Lets make some money off of it. Sell it to the people who want it on the other side of the world. Anti fossil fuel people remind me of the ante-bellum plantation owners who turned their noses up at the parts of the animal they felt were unclean. They tossed those ribs, jowls, feet and cracklings to those who did the work of the plantations. Now as we go about our days wearing clothes made in China, shoes made in India, driving cars made in Mexico and turn our noses up at coal, those things we revel in as signs of our superiority, were created by the things we are finding unfashionable on the other side of the world. Spin that Emanuel! - wordslinger - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:54 am: China is choking to death on coal, that’s why they’re moving away from it. That’s why they made that big natural gas deal with the Russians. http://online.wsj.com/articles/chinas-coal-demand-could-fall-soon-1401715431 - Soccermom - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:57 am: Upton Sinclair and H.L. Mencken. Nice start to the week. - Demoralized - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 10:58 am: @VMan: I’m all for coal. I don’t want to get rid of fossil fuels. But I do think we should make them as clean burning as possible. I don’t see a problem with that. I don’t think our goal should be to follow in the pollution footsteps of China, India and Mexico. - Keyser Soze - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 11:00 am: I lived through climate change in the late 1970’s; man was the Midwest cold and snowy. But, California had a drought. Then the Midwest weather changed again in the mid-1980’s; much warmer then, I liked it. But, California had heavy rains and mudslides. The Midwest weather changed again last winter; it was just like that of the mid to late 1970’s. California had a drought. There may be pattern. I can only hope that next winter is more like those of the 1980’s. This is just food for thought for those who are convicned that they know what is happening, and why. - 47th Ward - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 11:06 am: ===This is just food for thought for those who are convicned that they know what is happening, and why.=== Was that snark? I’m a little dense this morning, but surely you understand the difference between weather and climate, right? - 47th Ward - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 11:08 am: You can believe this is all a UN plot if you’re so inclined, but ask yourself this, what if these scientists are right? http://www.ipcc.ch/ - Wensicia - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 11:11 am: These “climate change is a hoax” people belong with the “the moon landings never happened” people, in the “Stupid and Proud of It” hall of shame. - Daryl - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 11:13 am: Guys, it’s not worth arguing with climate change deniers. The motivation behind their beliefs is clear, and in the end, no amount of evidence will convince them. The world is better served by leaving them to prattle on like old women in a sewing circle while the vast majority gets to work on actually solving the problem. - A guy... - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 11:15 am: To suggest that emissions have no relationship to climatology is just an exercise in denial. How much? That might be a better argument. Being a coal guy has to be difficult right now. We’re sitting on so much of it, we need to continue to look at ways to burn it as cleanly as possible. As for all the eco-friendly new energy sources; there’s plenty of credibility issues there too. Fossil fuels always worked and provided efficient and effective energy sources. Nuclear worked. Solar and wind have a ways to go. As do others. We need some balance. - VanillaMan - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 11:17 am: I don’t think our goal should be to follow in the pollution footsteps of China, India and Mexico. Anyone over the age of 40 remembers mass starvations when millions died in China. While the Chinese don’t want pollution, they also don’t want to return to the days when they had to bury millions. It is all about priorities. We are spoiled and can dismiss things we don’t like. We can buy our way out of our unfashionable alternatives. We don’t want the pollution our lifestyles create, so we shipped them overseas. We won’t sacrifice in order to spare them. The 7 years worth of fossil fuel pollutions behind every shiny new Toyota Prius is ignored, as though the car was grown in the dealer’s backyard by virginal nuns. The world is our sewer, but we don’t want to admit that we poop. Consequently we have outlawed poop. Deep down, we all know this stuff is moral narcissism. Every Sunday, the church ladies would show up at the sharecropper’s churches to discuss the evils of dance, liquor and sexuality. Everyone also knew that the night before, those church ladies’ husbands would visit at sundown to get what their wives were preaching against. Same with our environmental movement today, in many similar ways. It makes us feel good, and it seems that is all that matters. - wordslinger - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 11:19 am: You are mischievous this morning, Rich, finding an Illinois way to rattle the cage of the climate change deniers. I hear Springfield is looking to enter into a sister city arrangement with Benghazi. Discuss. - Adam Smith - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 11:20 am: Everyone in our polarized world reacts in a complete black or white mentality. Man impacts the environment. Period. Is that impact going to extinguish the polar bears by this Thursday? Nope. But our industrial activity does have real impacts on public health and effects ecosystems. Are the solutions of the Al “Chicken Little” Gore crowd propose appropriate and cost-effective? Nope. We need to reduce pollution and environmental degradation because it is the right thing to do and because we should respect the planet we have. And we should do it in a way that respects people’s livelihoods. Make sure energy is available and affordable to power our economy and improve lives, and help the developing world. Both those who think there is no need at all to be environmentally conscious AND those who think we need to destroy freedom and economic growth on a theory are pulling society apart. - VanillaMan - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 11:28 am: Man impacts the environment. We are a part of the environment. We belong here just as much as any other living thing on Earth. Fortunately we are also able to control ourselves and find newer and better ways of living on Earth, as long as the naysayers don’t demand we begin to stop living. America is filled with Puritans. Everyone wants to return to the Garden of Eden. What I find remarkable is how many of those new Puritans claim science disproves that there is a Garden at all. They want the Garden, and they want the Apple too. Doesn’t work that way. - Skeptic - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 11:49 am: “prattle on like old women in a sewing circle…” If that were all they were doing, we could get on with fixing it. Unfortunately they’re also the ones complaining that the solutions are “too expensive” and “will ruin the economy” etc…as if destroying the Earth weren’t expensive or economy ruining enough. But I digress. “Global warming and global cooling have been going on for thousands of years.” Indeed that’s true. But those climate shifts took thousands of years longer to shift than what has happened in the past 2 centuries. “Didn’t the Great Lakes freeze?” Yes, meanwhile Austrailia set the record hottest summer ever. But more to the point, one winter (or summer) is not “climate.” Sorry, didn’t mean to feed the trolls. We’ll need that food later on. - Nonplussed - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 11:53 am: When you Google “deniers” the autofill has “holocaust” and “climate change” as the only two options. Kind of shows you the political game the proponents of climate change are playing. And it is the political game that I think many people object to. - Peoria Pete - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 11:54 am: In reply to VM @11:28 “We are part of the environment. We belong here just as much as any other living thing on Earth.” ***** We are part of the environment only for as long as the environment is capable of sustaining human life. And, unlike “any other living thing on Earth”, humankind is the only living thing that is capable of causing the environmental problems we now have to face. - Willie Stark - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 11:54 am: The great question of the 19th & 20th Centuries was slavery/civil rights. The great question of the 21st is global warming. You are either on the right side or the wrong. There is no middle ground. You either believe in decades of irrefutable climate science, or you don’t. You either understand that there is as much economic upside, or more, in addressing it as downside or you don’t. And, for all of you deniers out there. You don’t want to believe the scientists? Fine. Why don’t you want to believe the United States military and the insurance companies? They believe it’s real and have been working on the issue long-before your hated-President Obama took office. - Nonplussed - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 11:59 am: I see what you did there Willie. Global Warming is now akin to enslaving an entire race. No hyperbole there. Or is your argument too nuanced for me to understand. - x ace - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 12:00 pm: Gonet declares 76 year record broken, greatest hoax is no longer “The War of The Worlds” ! - wordslinger - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 12:01 pm: –The world is our sewer, but we don’t want to admit that we poop. Consequently we have outlawed poop. Deep down, we all know this stuff is moral narcissism. Every Sunday, the church ladies would show up at the sharecropper’s churches to discuss the evils of dance, liquor and sexuality. Everyone also knew that the night before, those church ladies’ husbands would visit at sundown to get what their wives were preaching against.– I’ll have what he’s having, but only on the weekend. - TooManyJens - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 12:05 pm: “You don’t want to believe the scientists? Fine. Why don’t you want to believe the United States military and the insurance companies?” Because what they read on a web site or heard on Rush Limbaugh’s show makes them more qualified than all those pointy-headed liberals! Yes, the military and insurance companies will be labeled as liberal the more they grapple with the reality of climate change. The right-wing bubble — which already excludes information from academia, government, and nearly all media outlets because disagreeing with the right makes them lying left-wing shills — will get smaller and smaller. - 47th Ward - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 12:06 pm: ===I’ll have what he’s having,=== Dementia? - Arthur Andersen - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 12:10 pm: If Gonet is wrong about this Global Warming thing, there goes his side job! - Willie Stark - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 12:42 pm: Yes, nonplussed, and that is such a fitting nom de plume for a anthropogenic global warming denier, I do put slavery on a similar moral plane as global warming. Are they identical? No. Are they both problems of an existential nature? Yes. Do they both entail unimaginable, horrifying degrees of human suffering? Yes. Try to rise out of your Barcalounger and comfy AC to look across the broader world to see the suffering that is already taking place as our planet heats up. Now, if you can muster the energy, use your imagination to project how much further that destruction and danger will spread if we nonplussedly sit on our hands and kvetch about the fact Al Gore lives in a big house and flies on airplanes. Already, formally tropical diseases are on the march northwards. To cite ONLY one example. - mcb - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 12:43 pm: “Both those who think there is no need at all to be environmentally conscious AND those who think we need to destroy freedom and economic growth on a theory are pulling society apart.” -Adam smith- best comment I’ve read on here in long time. As the 2 sides scream at each other there’s just one person being both reasonable and intelligent about the potential for middle ground. - TooManyJens - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 1:04 pm: If I thought that acknowledging climate change would require me to support “the destruction of freedom and economic growth,” I’d be tempted to deny it too. The question is, why do people believe that? - 47th Ward - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 1:13 pm: ===The question is, why do people believe that?=== I know, right? We’re standing at the precipice of a major technological era that the US could lead for decades to come. Unfortunately it is being held back by those like Mr. Gonet with an economic agenda served by the status quo. The energy industry is facing a creative disruption that will unleash new technologies that could be made right here in the good old US of A. But the gullible bedwetters have been convinced by the old energy companies that nothing less than your very freedom is at stake. Let’s think about this for a half a second: who is more likely to intentionally mislead the public? Climate scientists or fossil fuel salesmen? - Nonplussed - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 1:32 pm: “I do put slavery on a similar moral plane as global warming” Check and mate! - Going nuclear - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 1:43 pm: More and more businesses are paying attention to the climate science and the reality of human-caused global warming. Ford, Caterpillar, Unilever, Wal-Mart, Nike, Dow, Shell and many other corporate giants have established metrics and targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions from their operations. These companies realize that the cost of inaction will be severe and that climate disruption will bad for their long-term profits. - wordslinger - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 2:03 pm: The next Big Business fight will come between manufacturers who want to keep the product of the natural gas boom here (cheap prices for decades) and those who want to turn it into LNG and export it. - mcb - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 2:40 pm: 47th ward- That sounds nice but the reality is that the products of the green tech boom is and will be manufactured in China and India by factories powered by coal. Just like your hybrids and your windmills are today. - Skeptic - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 2:43 pm: I heard a quote many years ago, and unfortunately I can’t remember the source, but the quote was, “The next World War won’t be fought over oil. It will be fought over [”about” and not “above” you smartalecs] water.” Or maybe clean air, who knows? - The Prince - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 2:47 pm: The “spin doctor” quote from Rahm is the more surprising and newsworthy quote. Highly uncharacteristic of him. - 47th Ward - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 3:07 pm: It doesn’t have to be that way mcb. - Willie Stark - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 3:18 pm: mcb, a lot of the wind turbines and their constituent parts are made in the good old USA. Illinois manufacturers are actually an important part of the wind supply chain. - Willie Stark - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 3:34 pm: nonplussed, you are quite the chess player! Ya got me. I’m bowled over by your lack of argument and resign the game. Could never hope to compete. Instead, in the sun of your brilliance, will while away the time with checkers while the ice caps melt. - mcb - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 3:41 pm: Willie stark- That’s funny, a few years ago I was interviewing an individual from one of the largest turbine manufacturers in the world. He said the US had the strongest growth so they were working to shift more production from Germany to here. He said business in Illinois was especially strong. I asked if they were looking at building operations in Illinois. He laughed and said they only seriously looked into Texas and Arkansas. I hope Illinois can be an important part of green tech but I doubt it. Soon Texas and business friendly states won’t even be cheap enough so they’ll be shifting overseas just like nearly every product you buy now. - wordslinger - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 3:55 pm: – Soon Texas and business friendly states won’t even be cheap enough so they’ll be shifting overseas just like nearly every product you buy now.– The facts are against you. http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2013/09/24/more-manufacturers-moving-operations-back-to-u-s/ - Nonplussed - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 3:57 pm: Willie, I remember my 8th Grade teacher 32 years ago telling me that by the year 2000, there would be more streets between LSD and the Lake. - mcb - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 4:36 pm: 38% of those who responded. I’d be curious how many companies actually responded. Restoring is good news, those who are doing it are far more likely to respond. Those who moving more overseas typically don’t want anyone but investors to know. Add in the fact that this doesnt differentiate by whether the companies are actually moving a net amount back to the us. So we moved 9 of 10 lines to China, but the other one is going to the US! Either way I’d be hard pressed to boldy state that article as the facts. You want me to find you an article showing the opposite? Because there’s a lot more of those out there. How about Motorola, the only company that was assembling smart phones in the US with their Moto X. After 1 year they’re already closing the entire American factory. To assemble where? - Formerly Known As... - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 6:23 pm: == Emanuel quipped, “I’m a spin doctor, not a medical doctor.” == The most truthful comment Mr. Emanuel has publicly made in years. - wordslinger - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 8:14 pm: –Once upon a time King Coal was indeed a major employer: At the end of the 1970s there were more than 250,000 coal miners in America. Since then, however, coal employment has fallen by two-thirds, not because output is down — it’s up, substantially — but because most coal now comes from strip mines that require very few workers. At this point, coal mining accounts for only one-sixteenth of 1 percent of overall U.S. employment; shutting down the whole industry would eliminate fewer jobs than America lost in an average week during the Great Recession of 2007-9. Or put it this way: The real war on coal, or at least on coal workers, took place a generation ago, waged not by liberal environmentalists but by the coal industry itself. And coal workers lost.– http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/opinion/krugman-interests-ideology-and-climate.html?ref=todayspaper - dupage dan - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 9:36 pm: Krugman? NY Times? Yep, if I need the truth, I wouldn’t go there - just sayin…… - 47th Ward - Monday, Jun 9, 14 @ 9:43 pm: How many Nobel prizes have you won Dan? - wordslinger - Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 12:15 am: –Krugman? NY Times? Yep, if I need the truth, I wouldn’t go there - just sayin……– Just sayin’ what? Expand, please. Do you have some dispute with the facts presented, cousin? Don’t hide your light under a bushel, DD — dazzle with your brilliance. Maybe you’re too worried about the “facts” you’ve presented in the past that Italy will soon be out of Italians. Some real scholarship and arithmetic there. Or you’re still astounded that a scientific mission to measure ice in the Antarctic could get stuck in the ice. Because that was a trump card in your big brain. Because there should be no ice in the Antarctic, if you go to measure it, ipso facto, hocus pocus dominocus, willie lump lump (that’s not all Latin). Guess what, Dan? Lake Michigan is at it’s lowest recorded level, ever. But there’s still a lot of water there. What’s up with that? Makes no sense, to some sober scholars. Seriously, though DD, lay it on us. What is with the boner for coal, CO2 and climate change denial? Coal is dirty, dangerous to extract and more expensive than alternatives. How is that political, to anyone who ain’t long on coal? U’n trying to figure out where you’re coming from, daddio. You wrote the other day that there are no more things to discover. Really? You’re at the epitome of knowledge, innovation and discovery? I kind of doubt it. - Keyser Soze - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:55 pm: El Nino and La Nina are climate, i.e., the cause, weather is the result. What causes them? Automobiles? Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.