SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      Mobile Version     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact
CapitolFax.com
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
Voted “least likely to succeed”

Wednesday, Jun 11, 2014

* Wanna try and guess the odds of this bill’s success?…

An Illinois lawmaker has introduced a proposal to ask voters in 2015 if term limits should be imposed on leaders in the state Legislature.

State Rep. Jack Franks filed legislation on Monday that would put a nonbinding question on the statewide municipal election ballot next April. The Marengo Democrat says that the structure of state government needs to be overhauled.

Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan recently became the longest-serving official in his leadership position in the nation.

Anyone also want to lay odds on how Franks votes when Madigan is up for reelection in January?

Look, I like Jack a lot. Always have. He’s a good legislator with some bright ideas. But he’s far too in love with these press release bills for my taste.

I do suppose, however, that his proposal could spark some debate, particularly when it comes to certain editorial boards. And I would assume that his idea has lots of support. But, c’mon, unless he’s willing to say he’d vote against MJM for Speaker next year, this ain’t exactly a serious proposal.

- Posted by Rich Miller        


46 Comments
  1. - Walker - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 11:01 am:

    Hey Rich. Don’t dare him. Jack will do it just for that.


  2. - wordslinger - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 11:08 am:

    Somebody’s dying for a big sloppy kiss from the Tribbie edit board.


  3. - J.T. - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 11:09 am:

    Well said, Rich. I’m a fan of Jack’s, too. But I have to role my eyes a lot when a read his name in the paper. I particularly got a kick out of his recent rant about legislators not taking furlough days this year…not saying he’s wrong, but it’s easy to get on your high horse on such matters and advocate legislative pay cuts when your family owns half of McHenry County.


  4. - VanillaMan - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 11:11 am:

    So, we have a Democrat acknowledging that Illinois needs a wee bit of reform?

    I call that a win, even if it doesn’t have a chance of happening at this time.


  5. - Amuzing Myself - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 11:17 am:

    I don’t normally like Franks because of his tendency to propose headline bills. However, someone needed to introduce this idea, because, short of a more comprehensive term limits initiative succeeding, this would be the only way to reign in the out-of-control leadership (or lack thereof) that’s steering IL over the cliff. Not a bad platform on which to run for higher office, either.


  6. - muon - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 11:23 am:

    I’m not sure why this is such news. There were multiple resolutions filed in both chambers in this GA to put an actual constitutional amendment on the ballot in November regarding this issue, not just an advisory question.


  7. - A guy... - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 11:28 am:

    Jack Franks is among the bravest of the caucus….Just think about that for a minute.


  8. - 47th Ward - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 11:33 am:

    Jack Franks is among the most shameless grandstanders of the caucus….Just think about that for a minute.

    There. Fixed it for you.


  9. - Been There - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 11:34 am:

    === would put a nonbinding question on the statewide municipal election ballot next April===

    Well, unless Rahm and/or a lot of alderman races go to a runoff not many people in Chicago will even be going to the polls.


  10. - Just Observing - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 11:37 am:

    === But, c’mon, unless he’s willing to say he’d vote against MJM for Speaker next year, this ain’t exactly a serious proposal. ===

    Good point, although, of course, he can claim he’s not necessarily for term limits for leadership, but that he thinks the voters should have the final say.

    === Well, unless Rahm and/or a lot of alderman races go to a runoff not many people in Chicago will even be going to the polls. ===

    A whole lotta people — in fact, the vast majority — all over the state don’t go to the polls in April municipal elections.


  11. - Norseman - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 11:57 am:

    47 & Rich, Well said.


  12. - Carl Nyberg - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 11:59 am:

    Here’s the way term limits should work.

    Two years before a candidate stands for election s/he stands for retention.

    If a candidate gets over 50% “no” votes on retention then s/he can’t stand for election in two years.

    This is consistent with moving mediocre (and worse) elected officials to other careers and creating openings.

    It’s fair. Allows strong public servants to stay.


  13. - Carl Nyberg - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:01 pm:

    How many members of Illinois General Assembly would grandstand as much as Jack Franks if they were as good at it as Franks?

    It isn’t that the others are more modest. They just aren’t as good.


  14. - A guy... - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:03 pm:

    === 47th Ward - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 11:33 am:

    Jack Franks is among the most shameless grandstanders of the caucus….Just think about that for a minute.

    There. Fixed it for you.====

    Methinks you mighta missed my point. I agree with your statement about Franks. It was more to highlight the bravery in a particular caucus. If he’s the bravest….


  15. - Abe the Babe - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:04 pm:

    Jack is more interested in making headlines than he is in making good policy. Im not sure he has ever enacted any meaningful legislation that would call for real media press.

    All that said, and as much as it pains me to say this, Jack idea isn’t that bad.

    Even a broken clock…


  16. - E town - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:05 pm:

    Call it what you will but the reality is this is needed. Madigan feels like he is indispensable to the process and the only way to likely get him to move on is to force it on him


  17. - Pensioner - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:07 pm:

    For all the political criticisms remember we all get the government we deserve. We put them there.


  18. - Abe the Babe - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:08 pm:

    And while we are on the topic of who is brave and who is not…

    Bravery is voting for things like pension reform and the tax increase…Jack likes to rail and rail against ideas supported by a majority of his party and then enjoy the benefits of his colleagues work when the lights go down.

    He is the least bravest in that caucus.


  19. - Abe the Babe - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:09 pm:

    ==For all the political criticisms remember we all get the government we deserve. We put them there.==

    about 30,000 people in McHenry county made that decision. not me…


  20. - 47th Ward - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:10 pm:

    ===you mighta missed my point===

    Were you being ironical?


  21. - muon - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:12 pm:

    A guy - others in the caucus have filed actual amendments to limit leaders. Doesn’t that count more than an advisory question towards bravery?


  22. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:13 pm:

    === the reality is this is needed===

    What? A non-binding referendum?

    Look, if legislators want to term limit their leaders, they get a chance every two years.


  23. - Steve - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:18 pm:

    Term limits are a great idea. Even if they were watered down to exclude existing elected politicians it would still be an improvement. Whether Jack Franks votes for Madigan again or not, if still takes some courage to talk about it in Illinois when you are an elected politician.


  24. - CirularFiringSquad - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:29 pm:

    The concensus there would be more votes to term limit Jack —to say the 98th GA
    BTW could someone tell Jack or the AP rocket scientists that Madigan is not the longest serving Speaker — getting closer, but not yet.


  25. - MOON - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:33 pm:

    E-TOWN

    Its not Madigan who thinks he is indispensable.

    Its the Dem Caucus that thinks that way, and they are correct.


  26. - Demoralized - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:37 pm:

    ==Look, if legislators want to term limit their leaders, they get a chance every two years.==

    That’s the way I feel about any term limit nonsense. Anybody can term limit anybody they want in an election.


  27. - Just Observing - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:39 pm:

    === Two years before a candidate stands for election s/he stands for retention.

    If a candidate gets over 50% “no” votes on retention then s/he can’t stand for election in two years. ===

    Or we can just hold regular elections.


  28. - Abe the Babe - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:43 pm:

    ==Whether Jack Franks votes for Madigan again or not, if still takes some courage to talk about it in Illinois when you are an elected politician. ==

    No it doesn’t. Anyone can introduce a resolution or bill, even if that bill attacks Madigan directly. Jack and the Speaker know that his bill has to go through rules.

    Courage is voting against the speaker. And ba**s is when you try to convince others to do the same.

    That vote, unlike Jack’s bill, cant be thrown into the legislative abyss known as the rules committee. People should stop defending Jack as some knight of courage when he is the exact opposite.


  29. - Bigtwich - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:44 pm:

    Is this the same Jack Franks who pledged to serve only three terms when he was running in 1998?


  30. - OLK 73 - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:44 pm:

    It may be grandstanding, but can anybody doubt that one of the major reasons we are in this mess is that Madigan is so locked into power by his sniveling membership that he is the de facto Emperor of IL. And not a good one at that.


  31. - Anon - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 1:02 pm:

    Is Jack the bravest? No, Nekritz earned that title the year she voted against Madigan’s rules, something Jack has never had to stones to do.


  32. - A guy... - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 1:15 pm:

    === 47th Ward - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 12:10 pm:

    ===you mighta missed my point===

    Were you being ironical?=====

    Ironically…I was.


  33. - wordslinger - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 1:40 pm:

    – Whether Jack Franks votes for Madigan again or not, if still takes some courage to talk about it in Illinois when you are an elected politician.–

    Meh, it means nothing and gives him some “independent” cover in his district.

    I doubt if Madigan cares, because Franks will still vote for him. Didn’t Madigan bankroll anti-Madigan mailers to help Scherer get elected? Who did she vote for speaker?


  34. - Jimbo - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 1:42 pm:

    Well we have a “shadow governor”, so why not have a shadow speaker? I mean do you really think if Madigan wasn’t speaker, he wouldn’t be controlling things by the nature of his chairmanship?


  35. - PJ - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 1:50 pm:

    I had to laugh when Jack got himself in all the papers railing on about how seats on boards and commissions shouldn’t be paid because they’re part time jobs… without seeing the hypocrisy that he isn’t giving up *his* salary for *his* part time job.


  36. - Befuddled - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 2:03 pm:

    Not exactly a new idea.
    Here’s how it fared in the Senate:
    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=22&GAID=12&DocTypeID=SJRCA&LegId=73908&SessionID=85&GA=98

    In case you don’t want to look, Subcommittee death.


  37. - Precinct Captain - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 3:01 pm:

    De facto emperor? I think Thompson & Edgar & Ryan & Blagojevich would argue otherwise.

    This is typical Jack Franks grandstanding. He’s probably got a PhD in grandstanding because he’s an expert at it. Every 2 years there are a chance to toss out the House membership and the leadership. If the leadership is so bad you can depose them during the term by staging a coup. It happened in NY in 2008 or 2009 in the state senate. Of course it threw the state into utter chaos, constitutional and otherwise, but the end result was a leadership change. If things are so bad Franks should start organizing.


  38. - Mokenavince - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 3:07 pm:

    Franks and Trump . What a couple!


  39. - Samurai - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 3:24 pm:

    If he could combine the bill with yet another Franks Fundraiser, that would be perfect.


  40. - Sbarro McArby's - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 3:52 pm:

    Not a chance he or Guzzardi votes against Mike Madigan.

    Plus if Rauner’s Term Limits referendum gets on the ballot, this will become moot.


  41. - Sbarro McArby's - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 3:59 pm:

    If Jack Franks had any testicular fortitude, he would have ran against Randy Hultgren in 2012. He would have won with the Obama wave.

    Instead, he’s happy to be a loudmouth backbencher for the rest of his career


  42. - ash - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 7:00 pm:

    Great idea that would be passed by the people in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, it needs to get by King Madigan, so another good idea for the state will go down in flames at the hand of His Majesty…


  43. - Soccertease - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 9:34 pm:

    Since the legislators are scared xxxxless of Madigan, then yes, we need to term limit the leaders


  44. - Oh, please.... - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 10:17 pm:

    The legislators are scared of Madigan? You don’t think it has anything to do with the fact he has retained the majority (now supermajority) for how many years now?????


  45. - Steve Reick - Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 11:15 pm:

    ==Anyone also want to lay odds on how Franks votes when Madigan is up for reelection in January?==

    You’re assuming he’ll be there to cast a vote.


  46. - Knome Sane - Thursday, Jun 12, 14 @ 8:01 am:

    =You’re assuming he’ll be there to cast a vote.=

    @Steve Reick, you seem like a likeable fellow. But you really have your work cut out for you. Good luck with that.


Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.


* Slightly redacted
* About that new ad...
* You can't go without an invite
* Beware the reformers
* *** UPDATED x1 - IEA backs Mitchell *** CTU breaks with organized labor on Christian Mitchell race
* AFSCME responds point by point
* Rauner claims he will offer "more compromises" at leaders' meeting
* #FundEIU
* At least our primary is in March
* *** UPDATED x1 - SEIU sends "cease and desist" letter *** Rate the new Dunkin and Schimpf ads
* Question of the day
* Museum to reopen soon, as long as MJM goes along
* "I cannot understand why union members would not love that"
* Poe again opposes McCann in GOP primary
* Behind the HQ PR pops
* If at first you don't succeed...
* Remember this quote
* Everyone failed Laquan McDonald
* He hasn't seen anything like this
* State owes top three medical providers $111 million
* Edgar bucks Rauner, endorses Acklin
* Another clue?
* *** UPDATED x1 - Alleged Kirk meeting "never occurred" *** And you think Rahm has troubles?
* Chaos is a feature, not a bug
* Our elected officials need to tell us: do you support the Chicago Teacher’s Union’s contract rejection?
* Yesterday's blog posts

Support CapitolFax.com
Visit our advertisers...

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............


Search This Blog...

Search the 98th General Assembly By Bill Number
(example: HB0001)

Search the 98th General Assembly By Keyword

  
* Samsung scuttles S7 Edge+ in UK
* Samsung patent for a foldable S Pen kickstand uncovered
* Apple CEO Tim Cook can’t take a good picture with his iPhone
* Link Bubble brings ad blocker, tracking protection feature
* Chromer update brings webheads, favorite sharing app, dynamic tool bar
* Samsung may keep the Galaxy S7 “Always On” with its own ambient notifications
* T-Mobile could start sales of the affordable Windows 10 Mobile Alcatel Onetouch Fierce XL this week

* 7 White Sox who could use a rebound season
* This week in sabermetrics: The screwball, Mark Buehrle, and launch ...
* 2016 Fantasy Player Preview
* ALL TIME SSS POST AND REC TOTALS
* White Sox Minor Leaguer Shearrow suspended
* Spring not far away as truck heads to Arizona
* This week in White Sox: Sun sets on Andre Ethier rumor

...............


Main Menu
Home
Illinois
YouTube
Pundit rankings
Obama
Subscriber Content
Durbin
Burris
Blagojevich Trial
Advertising
Updated Posts
Polls

Archives
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004

Blog*Spot Archives
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005

Syndication

RSS Feed 2.0
Comments RSS 2.0
WordPress

Loading


* Local State Leaders Hope For Solutions In Gover.....
* Letter: Once collective bargaining is gone, it .....
* Rauner tells Wheeling leaders: Illinois should .....
* Travis Campaign Calls Mitchell A 'Rauner Democr.....
* Rauner's efforts to tame budget need support - .....
* Chicago State University Students Protest Again.....
* Rauner: Illinois State Museum may open with its.....
* Illinois State Museum could reopen soon but Chi.....


* Eastern Illinois University announces layoffs, furloughs
* Chicago State students, faculty protest budget impasse
* Democrats vying for US Senate talk up experience, background
* Drew Peterson murder-for-hire trial again postponed
* Illinois State Museum says it has reached deal to reopen
* Public can't attend Obama's speech at Illinois House
* Report: Police program helped man who prostituted teen
* College-accrediting agency sends warning amid budget impasse
* 3 teens arrested after pursuit in stolen vehicle in Rockford
* EXCHANGE: Little Free Library keeps kids reading

* Obama looking forward to fun visit, his spokesman says
* Illinois State Museum could reopen within weeks if changes approved, DNR director says
* Some neighboring state museums surviving without admission fee
* College-accrediting agency sends warning amid budget impasse
* Democrats vying for U.S. Senate talk up experience, background
* School funding overhaul again faces long odds in legislature
* School funding overhaul again faces long odds at Statehouse
* AFSCME reviews legal options in wake of member survey
* School funding overhaul again faces long odds
* Statehouse Insider: Three days until President Obama turns Illinois around

* Chicago teen's death shines light on police code of silence
* Five things to know about U of C Medicine's trauma center reversal
* Apollo Education to be taken private in $1.1 billion deal
* Sparton Corp. CEO departs after activist shareholder complaints
* Sparton CEO departs after activist shareholder complaints


* Rahm to propose plan to boost women, minority work on city projects
* Chicago State University students protest state budget impasse
* Preckwinkle: Layoffs loom unless legislators pass state budget
* Rauner tells Wheeling leaders: Illinois should aim ‘to be average’
* Can you identify this Blackhawks star?
* Sweet: Obama won’t be ‘back-seat driver’ in Springfield
* Brown: Downstate voters get early start on election
* Aldermen reluctantly OK $3.1M for immigrants denied CPD jobs
* State house race pits Dunkin vs. Stratton, Rauner vs. Madigan
* Say hello to Chicagoan’s Adele impression on new TV show


* Metra: Cause of Monday derailment unknown
* Police: 2 accused of injuring paramedics in Printers Row
* School district agrees to pay $273K to lawyer who sued over big bleachers
* Man sentenced to 2 life sentences in 2009 spree killings of 2
* Anonymous donors pledge $450,000 in effort to save Woodlawn church
* Beach Park man charged with DUI in crash with squad car
* 1 killed, 1 injured in shootings
* Aurora man charged with DUI after hitting police car
* Wilmette police, paramedics rescue woman pinned under car
* Aurora man charged with theft after photo booth camera takes his picture


* Obama looking forward to fun visit, his spokesman says
* Illinois State Museum could reopen within weeks if changes approved, DNR director says
* Some neighboring state museums surviving without admission fee
* College-accrediting agency sends warning amid budget impasse
* Democrats vying for U.S. Senate talk up experience, background
* School funding overhaul again faces long odds in legislature
* U.S. Rep. John Shimkus: Come visit Galatia, Mr. President
* School funding overhaul again faces long odds at Statehouse
* AFSCME reviews legal options in wake of member survey
* School funding overhaul again faces long odds


* PODCAST: News Gazette Sports Page 02-08-16
* Rantoul man sentenced to 6 years for aggravated battery to a child
* Police: Watch out for slick roads
* African American Hall of Fame Museum ball will be Feb. 27
* Updated: menorah vandalized again (w/video)
* Turner on Whitman: 'He loves Illinois'
* 'Not too many great ads' from Super Bowl 50
* Journal Star Photos of the Month: January 2016
* Blizzard Warnings in the upper Midwest
* 02-08-16 Monday Morning Quarterbacks


* Images: Plano vs. Aurora Central Catholic, boys basketball
* Rozner: Denver pass rush great reminder for Bears
* Record $132.5M bet on Super Bowl at Nevada sports books
* 2015 sets record for most shark attacks, with 98 worldwide
* Budweiser didn't pay for Manning's post-Super Bowl shout out

* House lawmakers overcome hurdle on key tra...
* Rodney Davis talks funding with Bloomingto...
* The agency that fought Illiana gets a new ...
* Rep. Dold takes educational cruise down Ch...
* Lawmakers decry high turnover rate of VA h...
* CBD Oil, and politics
* Simon considering state Senate bid
* Killer Congressman Tom MacArthur trying to...
* Shutdown? State may not notice
* Rep. Bob Dold

* Clinton Hires Dick Durbin Staffer To Lead ......
* Dem Senator Blames Indiana Gun Shows for C......

* Duckworth focuses on Kirk as rivals trade ......
* Illinois' Democratic U.S. Senate candidate......

* Travis Campaign Calls Mitchell A 'Rauner Democrat' In 26th District Race
* U.S. Economy Added 151,000 Jobs In January, Unemployment Rate Dips To 4.9%
* Chicago State University Students Protest Against Illinois Budget Stalemate (VIDEO)
* Open letters
* We get letters.
* Quotes of the weird quiz.
* Tree-mendous Changes At Buena Park Circle
* Joliet Police Department To Get 50 New Tasers
* Jay Travis Gets Endorsements From U.S. Rep. Danny Davis, Aldermen
* Morning Minute: Get ready for tax time with these deductions for homeowners


* Emergency Management Officials, National Weather Service Encourage Winter Preparedness - November is Winter Weather Preparedness Month in Illinois
* Keep Your Family Safe This Winter - November through February are leading months for carbon monoxide related incidents
* Governor Takes Bill Action
* Illinois Department of Labor Director Hugo Chaviano Awards Governor’s Award for Contributions in Health and Safety to the Illinois Refining Division of Marathon Petroleum Company LP
* State Regulator Elected Treasurer of Interstate Medical Licensure Compact




Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller