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Trump Chicago roundup

Saturday, Mar 12, 2016

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* Two completely polarized views of what happened in Chicago last night…



* Walsh is a Trump supporter, and he took what is usually the standard conservative line: Blame the black, brown and hippie protesters. But the right is split because Trump is still fighting off Republican presidential rivals. Some of Trump’s GOP opponents pounced on him for inciting violence and Fox News at times seemed unsure about what slant to take last night. Also, check this out…

To: Illinois Media
From: Illinois Patriotic Veterans, Inc.
RE: Trump Hate Speech
Date: 3.12.2016

Illinois Patriotic Veterans, Inc. condemns the continued political hate speech of Donald Trump which last night resulted in discord and violence at Trump’s Chicago rally which he cancelled.

The First Amendment does not protect Trump’s speech when he suggests violence against those who have protested at some of his recent events.

Last night, Trump ran away from the violence which he himself created in Chicago, just as he ran away in 1968 from his military obligation to defend our Country.

Jim Nalepa, Illinois Chairman
Paul Caprio, Director

Paul Caprio ain’t no leftie. At all.

…Adding… Caprio’s group has a new radio ad which rips Trump a new one…

* Moving right along, as I noted on Friday, some early arrests were made at the rally. But the anti-Trump folks were there in force, and their chants appeared to halt further arrests.

* And speaking of arrests, a journalist for CBS was busted last night for no apparent reason

Sopan Deb was on the floor of the arena as tensions built - raw emotions on both sides.

He interviews both protesters and Trump supporters.

Police clear the pavilion, and the streets outside are quickly blocked.

Tensions are high. Deb shoots video of an arrest. Police surround a man whose face is bloodied.

Protesters scream at police.

Deb says he was thrown to the ground and handcuffed, without notice or warning.

Illinois State Police charged him with resisting arrest although there is no sign of that on the video.

* But the Illinois State Police say they had no role in the arrest…

Hi Rich

The CBS reporter was not arrested by ISP. The officers in the video making the arrest are uniformed CPD.

M/Sgt. Matt Boerwinkle
Illinois State Police
Chief Public Information Officer

* As you probably saw elsewhere, Trump said he canceled the event after discussing things over with law enforcement

“I spoke with law enforcement and made [the call to cancel] in conjuction with law enforcement, and I think we made a wise decision,” Trump said in a phone interview on MSNBC.

* The Chicago Police Department said they had nothing to do with it

However, CPD spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said the department never told the Trump campaign there was a security threat at the venue. He said the department had sufficient manpower at the scene to handle any situation.

Mr Guglielmi said the decision to cancel the event was made “independently” by the campaign.

Interim Supt John Escalante confirmed in a press conference that police became aware the event was being cancelled at 6:30pm, adding: “The Chicago Police Department had no role, we were not consulted or provided an opinion as to whether or not the event should be cancelled.

The U of I police claimed they were surprised at the “abrupt” cancellation of the event. The Illinois State Police’s spokesman I quoted above told me “I’m not aware of any advice given to his campaign.”

* And there is some speculation that Trump never actually even arrived in Chicago…


* Mark Brown was supremely unimpressed with the anti-Trump crowd

To be clear, I’m glad people came out to protest Trump. I was hoping for it.

But as I watched an elderly man with a walker trying in vain to return to his car because idiots were running wild through the parking garage where many of Trump’s fans parked their cars, I was ashamed.

“This is what free speech looks like!” shouted a leader of the protesters on his megaphone while the old man asked the police if it was safe yet to get to his car.

I hope this isn’t what free speech looks like.

Agreed, but when covering a big, fast-moving event like that, it’s easy to become overwhelmed by the brief moments that you, yourself see.

* Related…

* Who is Jedidiah Brown, the pastor who stormed Donald Trump’s rally in Chicago?

* @BYP_100: One of our beloved members was beat & hospitalized by police at anti-Trump protest in Chicago. Taken straight from ER to jail. #FreeTimothy

* Donald Trump, Chicago, and the Lessons of 1968

* @PhilipRucker: Loud boos at Cleveland rally venue when announcement instructs Trump fans not to physically harm protesters.

- Posted by Rich Miller        


67 Comments
  1. - perry noya - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 7:08 am:

    Rich, where did you find the words “black,” “brown,” or “hippie” in Joe Walsh’s tweet?

    I guess you meant that it’s OK to deny somebody his First Amendment rights as long as you are black, brown, or hip.

    Or maybe you meant that you may deny somebody his rights as long as he is a white guy and you hate him.


  2. - @MisterJayEm - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 7:17 am:

    Reminder: No one has a Free Speech right to a fawning audience.

    – MrJM


  3. - Johnny Pyle Driver - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 7:34 am:

    I guess the delicate little flowers didn’t wilt after all!

    Pretty sure the first amendment protects you from the government. I think other laws, like property rights? protect you from weakling little flower college kids.

    But in any case, it looks like Trump CHOSE not to speak because he could see he was outnumbered by all those people he’s insulted and denigrated over the past few months.


  4. - JS Mill - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 7:41 am:

    =- perry noya -=

    LOL! Go and give the US Constitution a read sometime. Maybe you will learn a little something.


  5. - perry noya - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 7:53 am:

    When I heard about this, my first thought was, “Trump planned this! He wanted them to shut down his rally and they were dumb enough to do so.”

    Whatever. The First Amendment is still the First Amendment. Too bad so few people believe in it.


  6. - Johnny Pyle Driver - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 7:56 am:

    I firmly believe in the First Amendment, which is why I’m glad the government didn’t stop Trump from speaking. But just so we’re clear, neither did the protesters. He CHOSE not to speak even with assurances from the police that they had the situation under control. If you watched the event unfold, it became violent when they canceled the event, angering Trump supporters at a time when there wasn’t a police presence in the crowd.


  7. - VanillaMan - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 7:58 am:

    Trump won a week’s worth of free publicity, looks like a victim, and Chicago gets another black eye. All Trump needs now to win big in November is to have this repeat itself once a month until the General Election.


  8. - Oswego Willy - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 8:06 am:

    ===“This is what free speech looks like!” shouted a leader of the protesters on his megaphone while the old man asked the police if it was safe yet to get to his car.===

    This was the worst, ever.

    We all have older relatives, aunts, uncles, parents, some have grandparents… no matter your own affiliation, you’d never want your family member, elderly family member, scared in public.

    Both side’s extreme supporters were beyond the awful. Divisive talk, leading to polarizing people caused both sides to appeal to their worst sides.

    My first thought?

    “Oh yeah, well, you’re not from Chicago.”

    If things unravel or the polar opposite, Trump surges with his divisive anger speech, Chicago will be a mile marker.


  9. - Rich Miller - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 8:12 am:

    ===Or maybe you meant that you may deny somebody his rights as long as he is a white guy and you hate him. ===

    Don’t be an idiot.


  10. - Dee Lay - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 8:23 am:

    Scott Cisek had by far the best reply to the whole trump debacle:
    Riot? Violence? Mayhem?
    Four hurt and five arrested - give me a break. That’s not an atypical Friday night at the Aragon.


  11. - wordslinger - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 8:23 am:

    –I guess you meant that it’s OK to deny somebody his First Amendment rights as long as you are black, brown, or hip.–

    First of all, read the First Amendment. It has actual words that mean something in it.

    Secondly, if you don’t think Trump is digging on the confrontations between his supporters and protesters, you’re really blind to the entire strategy of his campaign.

    Who’s the last presidential candidate in your memory who constantly talked from the stump about “punching” or “roughing up” hecklers?

    Do you think that’s spontaneous, unplanned?


  12. - illini97 - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 8:23 am:

    I come away from this weekend seeing Trump as a more stereotypical bully than before. Always ready to go after others, but first to run off when things turn on him.


  13. - Johnny Pyle Driver - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 8:28 am:

    I really don’t think Chicago was as good for Trump as the pundits seem to think. To them, all attention is good for Trump and bad stuff only makes him look better. I dunno. The lasting themes I’m hearing are about inciting violence and the picture of the lady doing the Nazi salute.

    I’m sure it solidifies the support he already has, but I don’t see that episode appealing to independents. Maybe i’m wrong.


  14. - Rich Miller - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 8:35 am:

    ===I really don’t think Chicago was as good for Trump as the pundits seem to think===

    Meh. I think people focus way too much on what this did or will do for Trump.

    You play right into Trump supporters’ hands when you engage in that game.


  15. - perry noya - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 8:35 am:

    Come on, people. Is shouting down somebody you disagree with an infringement of free speech or not? BTW I have the whole First Amendment memorized.


  16. - perry noya - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 8:39 am:

    Also, commenters seem to assume that because I defend the First Amendment, I must support Trump. That is sad.


  17. - wordslinger - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 8:47 am:

    –Come on, people. Is shouting down somebody you disagree with an infringement of free speech or not? –

    How do you “shout down” someone who wasn’t there?

    Is that like “if a tree falls in a forest” sort of thing?


  18. - RIJ - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 8:48 am:

    Perry nota, one citizen (or a group of citizens) “shouting down” another is actually the free speech of the shouters. If the government in the form of police had forced the cancellation of the event, THAT would be suppression of freedom of speech. You are willfully misreading the First Amendment. But your nonsense gets you nowhere on this blog.


  19. - ChicagoVinny - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 8:48 am:

    For folks who need a 1st amendment refresher https://xkcd.com/1357/

    Trump’s 1st amendment rights were not curtailed.


  20. - Johnny Pyle Driver - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 8:55 am:

    ==Come on, people. Is shouting down somebody you disagree with an infringement of free speech or not? BTW I have the whole First Amendment memorized.==

    He CHOSE not to speak. There was never even an opportunity to shout him down. And when protesters DO shout him down, he declares over and over again that he loves the protesters because they make his rallies fun for his attendees who get to rip up their signs and push them out of the hall and yell “Go back to Auschwitz” at them. Fun times


  21. - Lincoln Parker - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 8:56 am:

    To be fair, it sounds like Perry nota has about as good of an understanding of the First amendment as a former Presidential candidate:

    “The problem is that there are those who are being taught that if somebody disagrees with you, you have the right to interfere with their First Amendment rights, their ability to express themselves, their freedom of speech.” - Ben Carson


  22. - Johnny Pyle Driver - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 8:56 am:

    ==Come on, people. Is shouting down somebody you disagree with an infringement of free speech or not?==

    He CHOSE not to speak. There was never even an opportunity to shout him down. And when protesters DO shout him down, he declares over and over again that he loves the protesters because they make his rallies fun for his attendees who get to rip up their signs and push them out of the hall and yell “Go back to Auschwitz” at them. Fun times


  23. - jim - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 9:00 am:

    classic case of a heckler’s veto. disappointing to see so many embrace these kinds of authoritarian tactics.


  24. - crazybleedingheart - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 9:06 am:

    Rahm is wise to hide. The thousands of protesters at this event are not his friends, the state’s attorney primary is almost over, and winter weather is ending…

    He thinks he had problems over the holidays? He ain’t seen nothing yet.


  25. - perry noya - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 9:21 am:

    Do you people believe that if Trump had shown up, he would have been allowed to speak? There was a well-organized effort to prevent that very thing. Yes, Trump incites such reactions. Yes, Trump is maybe just as much of a thug as his protestors were. As I observed above, I think Trump plotted this whole thing. How does any of this negate the free-speech issue?


  26. - Allen D - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 9:23 am:

    Donald Trump erred on the side of caution and safety for the people there attending the event in Chicago because of the mass of (what I saw on the news) about 1000 protesters that were rather than peacefully protesting, they were pushing, shoving, and cussing, supporters. To be fair here the supporters were responding as well.

    ever since the Ferguson MO. protests, this type of behavior has been accepted as the norm if you do not agree with what is being said, Peace is out the window.

    I went to the St. Louis Trump Rally at the Peabody… and the ugliness and vile hatred of protester actions and words was horrible. There were 32 arrested, I believe, in and outside of the event… no one deserves to be spit on and the protesters were doing that as we walked out as well. It is just sad.


  27. - Johnny Pyle Driver - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 9:29 am:

    Allen I was also there in St Louis and I saw Trump supporters grabbing protesters, ripping their signs, screaming hate speech at them, and generally being very abusive and violent. Which is a theme at these events.

    I also watched streaming video from the Chicago rally and saw what surely appeared to be a pretty obvious anger coming from the Trump crowd and jubilation coming from the protesters. I don’t know how anybody can claim to know who started each individual skirmish


  28. - wordslinger - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 9:35 am:

    Allen D., again if you don’t understand that Trump wants and encourages those conflicts than you truly don’t understand his strategy.

    His supporters want the show. It’s a yoooge part of the appeal.

    Trump is not a victim of his own bit.


  29. - Demoralized - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 9:36 am:

    perry noya:

    Just stop already. This isn’t a 1st Amendment issue. If you stopped and thought about it for half a second you’d understand why.


  30. - Allen D - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 9:47 am:

    I said that the supporters were answering back, however you are correct as to who started each skirmish…

    Just because you do not agree with an individual’s statements, or what he/she supports does not give one the right violently oppose…. passively and peacefully yes but not violently on any candidates side.

    Trump does have radical ideas and many believe it is the time for change to one who will not “Bow Down” or is beholden to congress members, PAC’s, or special interest groups and all the past Nominee’s have been some more than others… That is, IMO, one of the biggest draws to Trump.. and why he has my support.


  31. - Chicago Cynic - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 9:48 am:

    This is exactly what I’ve said about the Trump Friday night debacle. It was all a scam.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/13/donald-trumps-chicago-scam/


  32. - Johnny Pyle Driver - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 9:50 am:

    We all abhor violence. I’m just kind of surprised that it took Mexicans and Muslims and African Americans standing up for themselves for Trump supporters to finally come around to this idea. We’ve been watching violent Trump supporters for the better part of two months and nary a peep. Suddenly after the events of Friday, all the Trump supporters are delicate little flowers who are shocked somebody would be sooooo rude to them


  33. - yinn - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 9:51 am:

    ==”It’s a shame,” said Trump supporter Bill Tail, 43, of the Chicago suburb of Oaklawn. “They scream about tolerance, but are being intolerant themselves. That doesn’t make sense.”==

    Yeah, because intolerance of races and religions is TOTALLY the same as intolerance of hateful views and bad behavior. /s


  34. - Tone - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 10:05 am:

    Trump is a dangerous demagogue that is promoting violence against those that oppose him. He canceled the event for publicity. He never talked to CPD. There is speculation he was not in Chicago on Friday at all.

    He is a classic fascist manipulating the weak minded public.


  35. - Tone - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 10:07 am:

    The most frightening is that this website seems to have a large contingent of Trump supporters.


  36. - Tsavo - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 10:10 am:

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153987414591552&id=841851551&refid=52&__tn__=C

    Video of some of the street incidents have been posted to facebbok.


  37. - DuPage Bard - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 10:42 am:

    This Silent Majority phrase has legs. Be prepared to start seeing yard signs with it very soon.


  38. - Johnny Pyle Driver - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 11:00 am:

    Yea, if there’s one way to describe Trump supporters, it’s as “silent.” lol


  39. - Soccermom - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 11:02 am:

    From Scarborough’s piece:

    “William Daley, son of former Chicago mayor Richard J. Daley, did not share that surprise. “Whoever picked that location knew what they were doing as far as poking that sleeping dog there,” Daley said, suggesting to the New York Times that the venue was staged for the purpose of provoking protests that would energize Trump’s own supporters.”

    When was the last time Bill Daley was identified solely as Hizzoner’s son?


  40. - Rod - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 11:19 am:

    The Geni simply can’t put back in the bottle that Trump has opened in an easy way. As most of us on this blog are aware Trump followed up Friday night by tweeting this provocation: “Bernie Sanders is lying when he says his disruptors aren’t told to go to my events. Be careful Bernie, or my supporters will go to yours!” I also happen to agree with some of our bloggers, the Trump vote could be even larger because of Friday night. Even more oddly I am beginning to agree with Kass who is predicting in a Trump-Clinton race, Trump might be the winner, because this year it’s not electoral politics as usual.

    We have a candidate who wants to change our Constitution in order to expel children of undocumented immigrants born in the United States who are now citizens by the elimination of birthright citizenship. We have his Muslim exclusion proposal. We have his pejoratives characterizations of the undocumented crossing the border from Mexico. Is it surprising that there are people who want to fight back in the streets and at Trump’s rallies? If Trump is nominated by the Republican Party our cities will become much more volatile and bad time are ahead.


  41. - Federalist - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 11:30 am:

    The Black Lives Matter groupdid this to Sanders as well.

    Outside the gathering hall area it is certainly one’s right to protest if it is done in a way that does not violate law. Inside the hall then protesters should not be allowed and they should go outside. A little decorum and respect please for ALL candidates and not just the ones you like.

    The big question is will Clinton and Sanders also receive similar continued protests by the groups who dislike them? Or will the protests be overwhelming one sided. Stay tuned and we shall see.


  42. - Rich Miller - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 11:40 am:

    ===The big question is will Clinton and Sanders also receive similar continued protests by the groups who dislike them?===

    I seem to recall people openly bringing guns to an Obama rally.

    If you dish it out, you gotta take it.


  43. - Allen D - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 11:49 am:

    - Johnny Pyle Driver - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 11:00 am: “Yea, if there’s one way to describe Trump supporters, it’s as “silent.” lol

    Many union members support Trump but will not vote in the primaries for fear of worksite reprisal and union reprisal… They will however vote in the election for him because they do not have to declare party affiliation. We are here though


  44. - Tone - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 11:55 am:

    Wow, union members are not the brightest. Not surprising. Basic math and economists alludes them, at least public workers in Illinois.

    Very dark day ahead of us in the US, when the leading Republican candidate is supported by David Duke of Ku Klux Klan fame and Jean Marie Le Pen of the French National Front, a quasi fascist political party, and a holocaust denier.

    Dark days indeed.


  45. - Anonymous - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 12:10 pm:

    “union reprisal”?

    Trump is running in the Republican primary. AFSCME is asking members in the 50th to vote in the Republican primary. What exactly is this union reprisal of which you speak?


  46. - #5 - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 12:13 pm:

    “union reprisal”

    Trump is running in the Republican primary. AFSCME has asked members in the 50th to pull a Republican ballot. So would a Republican or Democratic ballot trigger “union reprisal” and of what exactly does this reprisal conist?


  47. - Federalist - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 12:25 pm:

    Agreed Rich, but in case you have not noticed Obama is not running. And Obama supporters were not exactly squeaky clean themselves. Remember the Black Panthers standing outside and directly in front of the polling booth or is your memory selective. And if you don’t think this was an attempt at some sort of intimidation, then think again.

    Yea, I get it. You really don’t like Trump to put it mildly. Not my first choice either. But at least try to be more objective and look at the larger issue.

    This is a new election so as I said we shall see what happens and to the degree that it happens for ALL the candidates.


  48. - wordslinger - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 12:30 pm:

    –Wow, union members are not the brightest. Not surprising. Basic math and economists alludes them, at least public workers in Illinois.–

    How’s their English, in your opinion?


  49. - Tone - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 12:38 pm:

    Yea, I get it. You really don’t like Trump to put it mildly. Not my first choice either. But at least try to be more objective and look at the larger issue.

    That Trump is supported by anyone is very troubling. He is a demagogue of the worst type, promoting racism and violence against those who disagree with him. He staged last Friday’s event just as it unfolded. He is very dangerous to the very nature of the US.


  50. - Federalist - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 1:03 pm:

    @Tone,
    “That Trump is supported by anyone is very troubling. He is a demagogue of the worst type, promoting racism and violence against those who disagree with him. He staged last Friday’s event just as it unfolded. He is very dangerous to the very nature of the US”

    Many say the same thing about Obama particularly after he went to a hate based church under Wright for 20 years.

    Depends upon you viewpoint.


  51. - Allen D - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 1:07 pm:

    AFSCME is supporting Clinton and encouraging all members to pull the lever for Hillary… Bahh I say. There is no way I would put another Clinton in Office…


  52. - Johnny Pyle Driver - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 1:07 pm:

    holy false equivalencies batman.

    “a hate based church under Wright for 20 years.”
    ::rolls eyes::


  53. - Federalist - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 1:16 pm:

    Driver,

    Go ahead and roll em’. But that only shows you have horse blinders on and no one will notice anyway.


  54. - Ferris Wheel - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 1:37 pm:

    @perry noya
    =Come on, people. Is shouting down somebody you disagree with an infringement of free speech or not?=

    The answer is no. It’s not.
    The First Amendment protects you from criminal prosecution FROM THE GOVERNMENT (and certain civil actions). A private citizen cannot infringe upon another private citizen’s free speech.

    Not to mention, the protesters had just as much of a free speech right as Trump did. So there’s that.


  55. - Northsider - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 1:54 pm:

    Allen D,

    Do you agree with Trump’s racism and xenophobia? Do you agree with his statements about Mexicans being rapists? Do you agree with and support his belittling people with disabilities?

    Do you believe his statement that Mexico will pay for his wall? Do you believe his statements that he’ll cut the best deals with China, Russia, etc. just because he’s Donald J. Trump?

    Do you support his inciting violence against “others”? Are you bothered or disturbed at all about someone with his temper and demeanor being president of the United States? Do you really think he gives a damn about you and your neighbors?

    You say you support him. By doing so you’re supporting his policies. I know what I think of Trump; is this what you want me to think of you, too?


  56. - Tone - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 1:59 pm:

    Well said Northsider.


  57. - Federalist - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 2:09 pm:

    I think there are many of us out there who are not a part of any ideological extreme.

    For my part , I am not really pleased with any of them.

    Clinton is the same old, same old, insider who never really has done anything but be a political gadfly and opportunist.

    Sanders seems honest enough but I oppose his socialist policies. He talks of the 1% and the .1% but dollars to donuts he has far more taxation increases for others who do not fall into those elites.

    Trump- loud mouth, bore, narcissistic (even more than most) and on.

    Cruz, I rather like Cruz but his religious zealotry really bothers me.

    Rubio. All over the place and suits his message to his immediate audience. I don’t have the slightest clue of where he really stands except that he stands for Rubio.

    Kasich. Another politician how hates unions, particularly public employee unions, but is a big amnesty and closet open borders advocate.

    But ALL candidates should not be harassed and ’shouted down.’ Protest, but do so in a thoughtful and polite manner. And that is the topic of this
    post.


  58. - Johnny Pyle Driver - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 2:16 pm:

    “But that only shows you have horse blinders on and no one will notice anyway.”

    Yikes, and I thought liberals were supposed to be the relativists. Anyway. There’s a major problem in this country with creating false equivalencies to justify the absurd and extreme behavior we see. Agree with him or don’t, I certainly disagree with him on a lot, but the idea that Obama operates in the extreme, or that “both sides have extremists” it just requires so much fantasy that it’s hard for me to find a basis for engagement in any rational way. Like, pointing out Trump’s racism and xenophobia and the extremism he’s promoting, suddenly you’re comparing that to Obama and Trinity United Church? HOw are those two things even on the same universe of comparable to you?


  59. - Federalist - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 2:57 pm:

    @ Driver,

    Well you have proven your bias again. Trump is certainly no more extreme than the hate filled Revernd and his so-called church.

    Of course you have forgotten that when he was absolutely forced to do so Obama denied Wright and quit the Church. But that was only during the campaign and not for the 20 years before.


  60. - Johnny Pyle Driver - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 3:03 pm:

    Yep, it’s just pure simple bias that keeps me from seeing that jeremiah wright is the same as donald trump. It’s impossible to even begin to see how you’re connecting those things so I’ll just give up and pray you haven’t procreated


  61. - Northsider - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 3:34 pm:

    @ Federalist: And you’ve proven yours.

    The Rev. Wright wasn’t running for president, Trump is.

    Thanks for playing “Really Bad Analogies”; better luck next time.


  62. - @MisterJayEm - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 4:16 pm:

    “My voting rights were violated!!”
    “Did you even try to vote?”
    “No. But some people who disagree with me were really happy when I didn’t vote, so obviously they would have kept me from voting!”
    “…”
    “Therefore, my voting rights were violated!!”
    “Okay… Is there a family member or care-giver we can call for you?”

    – MrJM


  63. - Federalist - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 5:13 pm:

    @ Driver,

    ” so I’ll just give up and pray you haven’t procreated”

    I don’t blame you for giving up. You are out of your league. You might get by with it to some degree on this site because it definitely attracts a more liberal audience. Go to a site that is more conservative and you will really get chewed up and by those not as polite as me.


  64. - Federalist - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 5:20 pm:

    Northsider,

    Is that the best you can come up with?

    Particularly since the ‘race card’ has been used as you and others claim by Trump (perhaps with some justification) and certainly the the most unRev. Wright has used repeatedly over the years.

    Having fun all you liberal zealots trying to attack me? Go to some conservative sites such as Illinois Review and take them on. Then we can see of what you are made.


  65. - Soccermom - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 5:37 pm:

    All this “Jeremiah Wright” stuff does is to brand a person as a non-churchgoer. I can’t count the times I have sat in the pew and steamed about the nonsense coming out of our priest’s mouth. But I stuck around, sometimes for years, because my kids loved their Sunday School teacher, or I loved singing in the choir, or I couldn’t bear to leave all my friends in the congregation.

    (I speak as someone who sat and listened when our rector gave a long and impassioned sermon on “Why People Around the World Hate Us — and Why They’re Right” the Sunday after 9/11. He also made the news when he insisted on removing the American flag from the sanctuary.)

    So I know that Obama cannot be held responsible for everything that came out of Pastor Wright’s mouth, just as I cannot be held responsible for my priest’s complete lack good sense.

    But Trump is responsible for what Trump says, and for what the highly placed people in his campaign say.

    That’s the crucial difference here.


  66. - wordslinger - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 6:29 pm:

    The vibe among Trump supporters at a recent event.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-day-with-trumps-true-believers/2016/03/14/d43ff646-ea0f-11e5-a6f3-21ccdbc5f74e_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-e%3Ahomepage%2Fstory


  67. - Federalist - Monday, Mar 14, 16 @ 6:41 pm:

    @Soccerman,

    Get real. He went to the church for 20 years and only under pressure bowed out. If he had gone there for a few years even and quit I would understand. I am not the type to label someone forever.

    Any part of that reality you fail to understand.


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