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* Do you believe Gov. Pat Quinn will be reelected? Take the poll and then explain your answer in comments, please.
posted by Rich Miller
Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 1:53 pm
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Right now he looks like a winner.
Comment by Mokenavince Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 1:54 pm
Not real confident in any of the GOP candidates and right now I think that the trend in this state is probably not in their favor. A lot can change in 12 months, but right now I think he wins another close one.
Comment by siriusly Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 1:54 pm
Yes. He is the Democratic nominee in a heavily Democratic state, and he is an experienced and talented campaigner.
Comment by Snucka Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 1:56 pm
I think Rutherford would have the best chance in the general, but I’m not sure he can make it through the primary. Even if he did, I think it would be difficult. Pat’s a populist and he plays that card very, very well.
Comment by Pot calling kettle Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 1:58 pm
Illinois generally leans Dem, Illinoians like a scrapper, and GOP candidates are flawed.
Comment by Kwark Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 1:58 pm
Ahh, a rare “bonus” QOTD.
Yes. The job is his until someone takes it from him. He has the advantage of incumbency, no primary opponent and the experience of dozens of bare knuckle campaigns under his belt. Say what you will about his leadership style, the dude is a brawler on the campaign trail.
Comment by 47th Ward Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:00 pm
Voted No, guess part of that is wishful thinking. But part of me thinks there is going to be a lot of third party money coming in at the end against him and I guess my gut is saying he can’t be that lucky….
Comment by OneMan Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:00 pm
Voted no, assuming Rauner or Brady do not win the primary.
Comment by Darienite Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:04 pm
the R alternatives are problematic. although on The Good Wife, Quinn is the ex governor….
Comment by Amalia Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:05 pm
I hated voting “Yes” but I just don’t see trading the devil we know for the devil we don’t. Neither party has a real “Go To” person. So, if Quinn doesn’t get indicted, and I have no reason to believe he will…plus if he keeps the legislature the enemy of the people, he’ll likely be reelected.
Comment by Commonsense in Illinois Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:06 pm
Both caucuses in ILGA are in disarray for GOP. Last I heard, for the top tier races in Senate, GOP has **NO** candidates. 2 of 7 top tier races for GOP have candidates. In a bad year for Dems, Madigan and Cullerton can play almost all offense.
You see 12 House retirements with GOP with 2-3 more to come. And many with no clear replacements.
Donors are seeing no reason to believe and so the wallets are staying closed for big money.
I don’t see how a statewide campaign wins when there is a real possibility the GOP **loses** seats next year.
Rauner **could** do all air war, but he has his liabilities. The others, how do you make donors believe and make up the structural brokenness of the GOP statewide?
I see it possible that Treasurer and Comptroller go D as well (if the Dems play hard to take out Topinka that is).
Comment by The Truth Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:08 pm
Yes, because he’s what we deserve.
Comment by Ron Burgundy Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:08 pm
Quinn is the incumbent Democratic governor in a blue state without a primary opponent, as of now. He is a natural born campaigner with skills honed over many campaigns. With four Republicans in the primary I’d say it’s a slight advantage for Quinn.
Comment by Mighty M. Mouse Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:15 pm
Yes. (Sigh.)
Comment by Anon. Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:15 pm
- Amalia -,
That is a “plot save”, with Quinn as an Ex-Governor, it adds credibility without writing fantasy in the face of a real fact, or putting a real governor in real time as part of your plot or storyline.
But i digress …
===I see it possible that Treasurer and Comptroller go D as well…===
That makes “you” and Sheila Simon the only ones who think Comptroller Topinka is beatable against Sheila one on one.
- The Truth -,
I get your take, but the usually coattails go from top to bottom, not bottom to top, so as the General Assembly GOP Caucuses have issues they are fighting, that will be less of a factor than the winner of Mansion might have on the General Assembly Caucuses of either party.
With respect…
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:15 pm
voted yes. when pension ‘committee’ hammers out a compromise, many voters will erroneously believe, and he will not discourage them, that it never would have been accomplished without Quinn’s grandstanding wages veto and court play.
Comment by DE Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:17 pm
Pck has it right. Quinn is a populist in a state populated by folks who are swayed by populism. Just check out the comments on various media outlets regarding his moves like the one where he cut off the GAs salary. Overwhelmingly, the comments are positive for Quinn and negative for the GA. Trying to reconcile that with his poll numbers would make anyone crazy but I think the race is his to lose. As a campaigner, there are few who are better. The GOP field is too vulnerable to the populist attack master.
Comment by dupage dan Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:22 pm
Pretty blue state and I assume that the GOP conservatives will do something. Also, Quinn really is lucky.
Comment by tominchicago Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:22 pm
=== when pension ‘committee’ hammers out a compromise ===
All Democrats will be praising each other at all levels.
Timing is everything and I predict “the compromise” will be unveiled at such time as best thwarts IL GOP ambitions for 2014.
Comment by Bill White Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:22 pm
snark on . . .
Whether Quinn wins will depend on whether MJM prefers Quinn or the alternative nominated by the IL GOP.
I cite Oswego Willy’s Madigan Rules as authority for this proposition.
snark off . . .
Comment by Bill White Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:25 pm
A qualified no-either Rutherford or Dillard could beat him because they cut into some blocks he’s carried in the past (assuming they don’t have to say something really stupid to win the primary). The blue state thing is not as critical in a non-presidential year.
Comment by orzo Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:32 pm
- Bill White -,
lol, those pesky Madigan Rules!
To the point,
One mistake all of us can’t make, or deny to ourselves or to whomever the GOP nominee might be, is to underestimate Pat Quinn. To underestimate him is to lose to him.
That…or the Madigan Rules, just to tie this off.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:32 pm
Quinn is the winningest loser since Rod Blagojevich.
Comment by Tequila Mockingbird Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:33 pm
I would love to see you track the accuracy of your readers predictions. With cross tabs for subscribers and non-subscribers.
Remember Predictify? It was a crowd based forecasting website which used the premise that knowledgeable participants have a high degree of ability to predict outcomes. I would love to see the accuracy of your reader’s predictions over time. It could further help you monetize our addictions to the blog.
Comment by siriusly Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:33 pm
I voted yes, but I hope not. I would’ve voted yes if Lisa Madigan and Bill Daley were STILL in the running. I think what people tend to forget is that he is still the current governor. You can’t count him out that fast. People may dislike him, but they don’t hate him. Compare it to Todd Stroger. Many people HATED Stroger and couldn’t wait to vote him out. I don’t see any strong urge from most people to change leadership in the Governor’s Mansion.
Gov. Quinn still has support from the Democratic Organization in Chicago and in the Black/Latino Communities. I hope Rutherford wins (assuming he wins the primary), but it would be an uphill battle for him.
I think Illinois is going to have a lower turn-out for the Gubernatorial Election next year and will end up being one of those elections that no one cares about. I hate to sound pessimistic.
Comment by jakeCP Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:36 pm
With an approval rating well below 50%…..un uh.
Comment by Keyser Soze Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:39 pm
Yes. The GOP can’t beat nothing with another nothing.
train111
Comment by train111 Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:39 pm
At this point in time, (really too early) voted YES. Too many Republicans, too much difference in the Republican candidates’ views. They will probably destroy each other in the primary.
Comment by downstate commissioner Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:40 pm
===With an approval rating well below 50%===
Not taking a position here, but his approval rating before the 2010 GOP landslide election was in the 30s.
Comment by Rich Miller Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:43 pm
I voted yes. He’s a tough campaigner who works long hours (”Day and night,” I hear). I think many people want another choice but they won’t settle simply for “not Quinn.” The need a positive motivation to vote for someone else.
Comment by Earnest Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:43 pm
The adage, you cannot beat somebody with nobody.
at this point, the republicans are nobodies.
Comment by orion Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:46 pm
I think there is a better chance that not that he is re-elected. I haven’t figured out what the message of the Republican candidates is yet except to say they are not Democrats. That will only get you so far.
Comment by Demoralized Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:46 pm
If approval ratings foretell election results, then why are the bozos in Congress still there shutting down the government and getting paid.
This election is Pats to lose…
Comment by Loop Lady Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 2:49 pm
Voted yes. Only Rauner is moderate enough on social issues to take Quinn on and even then, the unions would actually go to bat for Quinn - that activation would be hard for Rauner to beat. Also, in the event he survives the primary, Rauner would have to give himself more money and thus offset the caps - I think there is more D money in this state than R money when those caps disappear.
The firing squad on the Republican side is gearing up and I can’t help but think that there is a large opportunity for Brady to come away a winner here. Rutherford needs to start growing his bank account and Dillard doesn’t seem to have the same base of support. Those two are going to turn around and nail each other opening the door for Brady to walk away with it again.
Quinn v. Brady rematch and Quinn comes on top.
Comment by Crazy Like a Fox Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 3:02 pm
where is the too early to tell or should it be will the GOP shoot itself in the head again buttons
Comment by Todd Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 3:10 pm
Deocants have already chosen him for another round. Go figure!
Comment by Tankr Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 3:11 pm
GOP nominates far right (Brady or D-Lard) or is perceived as far right due to the sins of the ILGOP (Rauner or Rutherford) and Quinn wins again.
Comment by Skeeter Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 3:13 pm
Quinn will have the president rescue him one last time and then he will retire. There are just too many democrats in Cook County for a republican to overcome. Dillard may have the best chance but when he tries to return to the middle from the right he will be exposed by a well funded and tech savvy Quinn. Only one mans opinion……
Comment by 40th ward Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 3:22 pm
===There are just too many democrats in Cook County for a republican to overcome.===
Not the best analysis, givein the formula needed to bake a winning cake to be a Republican and win.
If your “statement” had merit, Rutherford and Topinka never would have won in 2010…
Just saying.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 3:27 pm
Yes, since I expect him to choose a minority candidate, as his Lt. Gov running mate, to seal the deal. Without that choice, it is 50/50.
Comment by Downstater Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 3:29 pm
OW, you forgot Mark Kirk.
Comment by Rich Miller Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 3:30 pm
I don’t see any other Dems stepping up that could take him. Reps would rather vote litmus test first, win-ability second. They have some strong, experienced players (Topinka) who could do well if the party would provide consistent, focused support but they are too busy with the deck chairs.
Comment by zatoichi Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 3:37 pm
Apologies to that, and apologies to Mark Kirk.
Sorry.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 3:45 pm
Voted no but the GOP can’t get their act together so it’s a tossup. You could carve a more solid leader out of a banana as the saying goes…
Comment by Big Muddy Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 3:45 pm
No Dem in a labor union wants to vote for him. The African-American Community feels disenfranchised by Rahm Emanuel. If the election was held today there is no enthusiasm in Cook County for him or Rahm. I get the vibe from friends of mine in the labor movement that if the Illinois House and Senate still wind up the Democrat super majorities A republican in the mansion wouldn’t kill them. It would their way to punish those in power w/o tipping the balance of power. I do not agree but labor is so mad at Quinn and Rahm they are willing to go to drastic measures.
Comment by Rollo Tomasi Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 3:46 pm
Isn’t this the same group that consistently has referred to Quinn as an idiot? Has everyone forgotten that we have 9.5% unemployment? Have we all forgotten that his inaction and lack of involvement and leadership in the pension debacle has helped cause this stalemate? I would take ANY of the GOP nominees over this guy. He has been a disaster of a governor.
Comment by Not a country bumpkin Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 3:47 pm
How hard will the legislators gotv for him knowing he suspended their pay? If it is a moderate to non-hard right r (who wears socks), Quinn will lose. Plus, people of IL have not impressed me with their intelligence when it comes to voting for folks.
Comment by Wumpus Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 3:48 pm
It depends on turnout. Quinn needs the people he offended, state workers and the unions. He should win, but he won’t if too many Dems stay home.
Comment by Wensicia Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 3:51 pm
If Brady wins primary: PQ by a lot, simply due to moderate/blue leaning of state.
I’d prefer Dillard, but so far see no excitement.
Can Rauner win with big turnout downstate? Cause he might pull enough upstate to keep it competitive.
Voted Yes, PQ wins — but Rauner is a legit long-shot as a wild card.
Comment by walkinfool Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 3:53 pm
Yes, only because there’s no real opponent.
Comment by Anonymous Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 4:01 pm
Commenting without voting is the rarity in these questions. Didn’t vote, but here’s my comment: I don’t know. Don’t even want to guess. The fact PQ is not the odds on “sure to lose” candidate tells you all you need to know about his resiliency when it comes to elections. Wouldn’t count him out after the career he’s had in elections. He’s beatable, but no one should underestimate how many people just like and trust him as a comfortable guy to vote for. All 4 GOP candidates could beat him. And all 4 could lose to him. Too tough to answer.
Comment by A guy... Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 4:02 pm
- Not a country bumpkin -,
Understood.
In 2010, it was the social issues, the ground Game, and the message that Pat Quinn’s opponent is “Too Extreme”, and Pat Quinn is needed to prevent the “Extreme”
Pat Quinn is going the Populist angle again, and to your points, can the ILGOP make a case, hone the case, have a GOTV that gets GOP and Moderate voters identified and voted?
Yes, we are that same group, at least I can say I am part of a group criticizing Pat Quinn, but I know he is a heck of a campaigner, he will be disorganally organized, and knows how to frame a message, even if its voting for Quinn to prevent someone else, and … knows how to meld groups who agree and get them motivated to get voters of liked thinking… to vote.
It comes down to votes, and vote totals.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 4:02 pm
PQ’s approval numbers aren’t good but this is a Dem state and the Republican field isn’t exactly intimidating. If pension reform becomes law, PQ’s argument will strengthen quite a bit.
Comment by slow down Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 4:07 pm
I’m pulling for a Rutherford-Quinn match up just because I cannot imagine anyone being able to paint Rutherford as a bad guy. He’s just so nice I don’t see how Quinn would be able to go negative on him.
Rauner would be interesting too, though there is certainly plenty of negative there, but it would be funny to watch two fake populists try to out populist one another.
Comment by Johnny Q. Suburban Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 4:21 pm
who can really beat him?? The GOP will implode before the end of the primary.
Comment by austinman Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 4:28 pm
It all depends on the results of the GOP primary. A win for someone on the far right will give the election to Quinn. If GOP voters back someone too far to the right the GOP will have lost the general election on primary night (again).
Comment by Hit or Miss Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 4:30 pm
Republicans will nominate a right-wing candidate, who simply cannot attact mainstream voters. When will they ever learn??
Comment by Anon66 Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 4:41 pm
Current R candidates being pushed too far right in their primary.
Comment by UISer Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 5:08 pm
All of the GOP candidates are too far to the right.
Comment by Chavez-respecting Obamist Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 5:10 pm
Although I am a registered Republican, I occasionally vote for Democrat candidates when I feel that they are the better qualified and more suited toward my own political idealogy.Actually, I voted for Rod Balgojevich when he first ran for governor (so don’t listen to me).I will have to admit that none of the current four GOP gubernatorial hopefuls sends a warm tingly sensation up and down my leg. However, Pat Quinn comes across as being hopelessly in over his head. He is a likeable guy but one who seems to be best described as “a political survivor”.
I will probably vote for either Brady or Rutherford simply because I see Illinois going down under the water for the third and final time. Desperate times demand desperate measures. Brady and Rutherford both have to be better equipped and suited for governor than who we currently have steering the boat. Pat Quinn is okay if he is the guy paddling a dinghy or rowboat. It is just that when Quinn is acting as captain of any vessel larger than that–then there is a shipwreck just waiting to happen.
Comment by Oak Tree Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 5:10 pm
Rutherford v. Quinn: Quinn loses 48-52%
Brady v. Quinn: Quinn wins 59-41%
Rauner v. Quinn: Quinn wins 57-43%
Dillard v. Quinn: Quinn loses 49.8% to 50.2%
Quinn will fight hard as he always done but the right ads/messaging, non saying stupid things and peeling some union votes and soft D votes gives Rutherford an edge that frankly I don’t think Dillard can pull off now that he’s shifted more to the right.
Comment by woodchuck Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 5:18 pm
because Cook co will elect him; carries three counties and wins. Any democrat does; hell with the rest of the state–the State od Chicago,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Comment by jeb Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 5:35 pm
voted yes Quinn’s pandering to labor with board appointments for cash vs. results(very little ie. phony “capital bill”) will prevail. Leaders of labor love those extra “stipends” at the expense of their memberships and will put shoe leather on the street(which GOP doesn’t have plus the GOTV experience). plus the GOP, will again to the angst of many implode during the primary.
Comment by railrat Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 5:41 pm
- jeb -,
I am with you!
Counties should vote! The State of Chicago and 3 counties run everything.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 5:46 pm
Yes. It’s Illinois. Last election, he won lost 98 counties and won the election. It’s very feasible that he could lose 99 or 100 counties (losing the small southern IL counties) and STILL win the election.
Comment by 4 percent Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 5:48 pm
Please, if your analysis includes that the reason Quinn won last time is because “Counties need to count”.
Votes count. All votes count the same everywhere, and a GOP opponent needs to find his/her votes in Cook and in “3 counties” at a rate that it bakes a winning cake.
Quinn got more votes in Illionis.
The rest is just ignorant to the question by making it about countines, and how well anyone does in realtion to the number of counties won.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 5:54 pm
I agree with OW. Rutherford, Kirk and JBT won in part because they. got. votes. in. Cook. County. That’s the yeast for the cake. Lots of batter in the smaller populated counties but the yeast is in Cook.
Comment by woodchuck Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 6:03 pm
That was meant to read above “Primary season…” and “at times ULtra…”
Comment by Just The Way It Is One Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 6:53 pm
Finally, again to correct–that was meant to read at the end of the second paragraph above “head-strong positions…”.
Comment by Just The Way It Is One Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 6:56 pm
I voted yes.
I think the crazy farce (win or lose in the courts) made him seem like a friend of the voters instead of being with the Congress who could not come to a decision.
This state voted Blago in for a 2nd Term.
He’s a goof but that makes him seem more human to voters who are not educated about the issues.
If he chooses a popular Latino or African American LT Gov, he can seal the deal.
Comment by Belle Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 7:11 pm
No answer. The Republican candidates have enough differences among themselves that we gotta see who he is running against to even make a guess.
Rutherford wins
Rauner toss up
Brady loses (again)
Dillard loses by just a little
Comment by Just Me Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 7:12 pm
I have never voted for a Republican for governor in my 63 years of life. However, after Blago and this nightmare of Quinn’s administration, I first decided “anybody but Quinn.” Then, I thought that was not responsible enough. So, I looked around for sane and responsible people and have decided that Rutherford fits my needs - some issues conservative, some issues progressive. If someone like me will abandon the Ds at the governor level, I will bet that many others like me will as well.
Comment by Bird Dog Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 7:15 pm
I voted yes for these reasons: the Republican party in Illinois is in disarray; Quinn has no primary opponent of note; the pension issue will fade as it moves into the courts next year, so that works neither for nor against him; Rauner has a ton of money and can outspend the other Republican candidates easily; Rauner is an absolutely terrible candidate as an Illinois Republican, in terms of his ties to Emanuel and Daley and his unwillingness to take a stand on anything: he repels lots of folks and draws no one toward him; if Quinn gets an African-American running mate of any stature he locks up an enthusiastic vote from that sector; the economy will be better a year from now than it is today; and finally, because he is one lucky man.
Comment by DuPage Dave Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 7:22 pm
Quinn will win ugly. “Ugly” because he doesn’t know how to sound or look smooth, and “win” because he doesn’t know how to lose–it is just not in his repertoire.
Comment by jake Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 7:29 pm
Doesn’t know how to lose? How quickly we forget his losses in ‘86, ‘94, ‘96 and ‘98. He knows how to lose more than most.
Comment by Ron Burgundy Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 8:31 pm
He’s way out there on Obamacare. Way out there on taxes, has slashed education funding and has zero economic development ideas. He can be beat by an off year electorate. Rauner’s money can change everything.
Comment by Anon Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 9:57 pm
Ron B, Quinn didn’t lose any elections in 1986. He chose not to run for re-election to the Cook County Board of Appeals, and he didn’t run for anything else, either. He worked in the private sector until he won for state Treasurer in 1990.
Comment by Mighty M. Mouse Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 10:05 pm
He lost to Jerry Cosentino in the Democratic primary for State Treasurer in 1986.
Comment by Ron Burgundy Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 10:28 pm
That bird dog’ll hunt…
Otherwise analyse the Brady defeat that he couls not turn out collar county women and young people in an otherwise GOP landslide year. Had JBT been there she would have won…
A conservative has not carried ILlinois since Fitz, and his opponent was CM-Braun. Somebody said doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting a different result was mental illness by definition.
Comment by Madison Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 11:11 pm
He’s right on the issues that Dems care about. Remember, “everybody in nobody out!
Comment by He will win Tuesday, Oct 1, 13 @ 11:22 pm
Yes… he’s done a lousy job and there is no reason to think he will improve, but this state re-elected Rod Blagojevich after 4 years of utter chaos and corruption, by a BIG margin over a competent and credible Judy Baar Topinka, so how do you pick against even a terrible Democrat?
Comment by Harry Wednesday, Oct 2, 13 @ 12:10 am
I voted yes. However I would like to see who he picks for a LtGov candidate. His pick is a big issue, does he try to strengthen his vote in the minority communities or does he actually go outside of his Chicago boundaries and pick a running mate that may actually have been past ISU in the past 2 years? While if Brady gets through his pick can be a huge upswing attracting a segment that Brady seemed completely out of touch with before, suburban female voters. He may still be out of touch with them but his LtGov can soften a lot of that.
Comment by The DuPage Bard Wednesday, Oct 2, 13 @ 1:00 am
Eventually Illinoisans will show him the door.
I think he’s a loser.
Comment by VanillaMan Wednesday, Oct 2, 13 @ 8:19 am