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* This is smart statewide politics by Bruce Rauner, but it’ll surely make some Republican heads explode…
Governor candidate Bruce Rauner is deviating from the Republican Party line on a bill that passed in the Illinois Legislature.
The bill would allow same-day voter registration and more days for in-person early voting - which Republicans in the General Assembly say is a ploy to bring more Democratic voters to the polls.
Rauner said he’s not familiar with the finer points of the bill, but he’s OK with the idea. “I’m a believer that our democratic process is critical to our prosperity as a state and as a nation. I think having voters engaged and involved and everybody voting, all registered voters voting, is a great thing, and the more folks that vote, the better, and to the degree we help that process, I’m supportive of that,” he said.
Rauner said the fall-off in votes between a presidential election and a mid-term is unfortunate. In Illinois, 5.2 million people voted for president in 2012, whereas 3.7 million cast ballots for governor in 2010.
* Republican Rep. Jeanne Ives recently penned an op-ed blasting the idea…
The bill requires Illinois public universities to set up same day voter registration and voting through the close of the polls in “high traffic” areas of certain public universities. It is tempting to give in to the cynicism and suggest that the best high traffic area may just be on the sidewalk outside the bar. While students are in the que to enter, they can register and vote. If underage students just want to vote – no ID required, but of course, they will need one to enter the bar.
Um, I don’t know of many taverns that are physically located on university campuses. Also, I figure there’s a lot more kids at football games anyway.
posted by Rich Miller
Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:07 am
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I guess I don’t see college campuses as hotbeds of Pat Quinn voters….
Also I don’t think it is going to lead to that big of an increase in turnout in those locations.
Finally I think if this is good enough for November, it is good enough for when those cities have races for local offices.
Comment by OneMan Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:12 am
Who says there’s no diversity of thought in the GOP? At the very least, the argument is now framed. In making her point, Rep. Ives overshot the runway as is her tendency. That may overshadow a pretty legitimate concern.
Comment by A guy... Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:12 am
===It is tempting to give in to the cynicism and suggest that the best high traffic area may just be on the sidewalk outside the bar.===
Don’t think Wheaton College is listed as a “Top 10″ party school in America.
Congratulations, Rep. Ives. Your faith in our youth borders on distasteful.
I hope to hear Rep. Ives “teach” us about how the youth of Illinois are the leaders of tomorrow, in between keg stands and same day voting, but those students are the backbone of Illinois, in between lining up shots and choosing a governor.
Ives gets more and more pathetic in her pandering.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:14 am
I’m not cynical enough to think that all of the republicans are only against this because it will allow more kids and minorities to vote. Many low information types, like Rep. Ives surely think this will allow massive voter fraud. What saddens me though is that there are people who do know that this merely opens up the process to more people who likely won’t vote for them, and those people feel the need to spread FUD and lies rather than change their platform to be more appealing to young people and minorities. If your election depends on low turnout, you aren’t exactly pro-democracy.
Comment by Jimbo Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:14 am
===That may overshadow a pretty legitimate concern.===
Like what?
Comment by PublicServant Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:15 am
Be careful what you wish for. I’m amazed at all the young clerks in our office who are perceptive enough to hate the state’ current finances and the debts that they will have to pay for today’s services. They are more fiscally conservative than I am! I think they are voting for change this November.
Comment by Formerpol Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:18 am
I still say every adult votes, and following the very helpful suggestion by - 47th Ward - for the Primary;
Red thumb for GOP ballot, Blue thumb for Dem ballot, and in the General Elections, Purple (Unless PQ is on the ballot, then Orange.).
It’s snark, it’s used in 3rd World countries, it’s a solution.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:18 am
Rauner with his money could use same day registration to get out the anti- Springfield vote who has given up. Quinn could be hurt Downstate as much as help by this action.
Comment by wondering downstate Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:25 am
There has to be a way (in today’s world) to allow registration and voting today. But it takes Money to do it right. Make sure you are of legal age, live where you say you live and are a citizen/allowed to vote in the election.
I think it IS important to allow as many people to vote as possible. I think it is also just as important to have integrity in the system. You make everyone happy, but of course, we are not about to do that.
Comment by RonOglesby Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:28 am
Rauner is practicing good politics and good policy.
Comment by Apacolypse Now Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:29 am
At least Rauner doesn’t need a referendum to decide on same day voting, but I digress…
To Rauner,
Makes complete sense to be for it, but if Rauner’s Crew thinks dragging out any voter is the key to victory for them, they will be surprised how specific the Dems will be in dragging voters out.
It’s an art, it’s a science, it takes a Ground Game to actually, physically, do it.
You want controlled turnout, if you can’t have controlled, you want low turnout, if you can’t have low…
Yikes.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:35 am
===PublicServant - Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:15 am:
===That may overshadow a pretty legitimate concern.===
Like what? ===
Oh, I don’t know. I just said that thinking that this is very good policy, thought out, well debated, and absent of any potential problems. Since it’s only been legislated for one election cycle, I’m even more confident. Nothing to be concerned about. Nope. Jeesh.
Comment by A guy... Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:46 am
the key for rauner with the right is to do what kirk did which is take as many positions that really sell with liberals and independents that won’t get the right to paralyze your campaign. What kirk taught rauner is that dan proft and the professional right in the state is a lot more bark than bite particularly in an environment where republicans and conservatives are so desperate to win that they’ll swallow almost anything-for now. It’s also not clear to me as the conservative movement transitions from a boomer led social issues focused group to a gen x led tea party/fiscal issues focused group if they’ll continue to have the bite they once did.
Comment by shore Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:46 am
What tavern did Ives pen her screed?
What’s her goal in keeping it tough to vote?
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:48 am
A, college bars aren’t physically located on University property, and B, the overwhelming majority of college students (outside of a presidential year) don’t care.
Comment by Ron Burgundy Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:50 am
@Jimbo - You should get more cynical.
The Jeanne Ives GOP mindset is not unique or uncommon in Illinois or nationwide.
Her thought process is why most GOP-sponsored voter ID laws nationally do not include state university-issued photo ID as acceptable voting IDs (but will permit things like FOID cards) and why every couple of years you have some state GOP trying to ban students from voting away from their parents addresses even though SCOTUS has ruled on that point.
And MJM wouldn’t support same day registration, even though its a good thing, if he didn’t see a ballot box advantage from it.
Good for Rauner supporting this if only for the sake of those poor League of Women voters folks that gathered so many of his independent maps signatures.
Comment by hisgirlfriday Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:50 am
=== Um, I don’t know of many taverns that are physically located on university campuses. ===
That’s because you didn’t attend the great University of Wisconsin - Madison
http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/12410/
Comment by Just Observing Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:51 am
Does Rep. Ives think students spend our time exclusively at the bars? Illinois students work hard to maintain good grades, work part-time jobs to pay for school (often at minimum wage), and participate in a number of other activities. Rep. Ives’ comments are highly offensive and get us nowhere. No wonder Republicans don’t do well with youth, they don’t think very highly of us.
Comment by Brexton Isaacs Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:53 am
In the nineties we had Motor Voter, now it’s time for Selfie SignUp… SOS could have an app, called SnapVote..
Comment by Shark Sandwich Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:54 am
There should be no cynicism at all. Everyone knows that universities are above self-interest and class conflict. Just look at how many professors are registered Republicans. We are very sure no one will violate the Hatch Act because those who work at universities are public spirited. How could anyone think otherwise?
Comment by Steve Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:56 am
Shore, that’s spot on. Right-wing yakkers like Proft and Roeser have always been an anvil around the neck of Illinois GOP candidates.
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:57 am
This is Illinois.
We have voter registration in cemeteries.
Comment by VanillaMan Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:59 am
–Just look at how many professors are registered Republicans.–
In Illinois, the exact same number that are registered Democrats.
You’ve got your Chronic Victim on early this morning, Steve.
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 10:00 am
@A Guy: You stated that Ive’s hyperbole “may overshadow a pretty legitimate concern.”
=== Nothing to be concerned about.===
I didn’t take a position. I simply asked you to provide more information on what legitimate concerns you might have been referring to with your statement. My takeaway from your last statement is that you got bubkiss as far a enunciating a particular legitimate concern with the law. If you should decide to actually be specific instead of a rather lame attempt at spreading FUD (Oh it’s new so something might come up…), then I’m all ears.
Comment by PublicServant Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 10:08 am
===That may overshadow a pretty legitimate concern.===
Yeah, what is that “pretty legitimate concern”?
Can you enlighten us?
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 10:14 am
Making it convenient to register to vote is nothing but a good thing. What difference does it make if you register the same day you vote? The registration requirements are still the same. The outrage over this is laughable.
Comment by Demoralized Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 10:31 am
@Steve:
Absolutely nothing you said has anything to do with the topic at hand. You love to play the victim a lot. I just don’t know what you’re a victim of.
Comment by Demoralized Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 10:32 am
===You love to play the victim a lot. I just don’t know what you’re a victim of. ===
Steve’s victimhood is pretty much universal. Post a topic, any topic, he’ll find a way to be victimized. I leave many of his posts up because I find them secretly entertaining.
Comment by Rich Miller Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 10:38 am
I’m a victim of Rich’s finding Steve’s posts secretly entertaining…
Comment by PublicServant Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 10:40 am
A guy is in stellar company. Neither he or Jeanne know what the problems would possibly be with this, but they know it is a bad idea, because all of their news bobble heads say so. Get informed and be honest guys. Admit that it will help democrats if more young and brown people vote. Sad that you would disenfranchise them, rather than tone down your rhetoric.
Comment by Jimbo Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 10:41 am
Well at least one private one has one…
http://www.ben.edu/auxiliary/coal-ben.cfm
It was in the basement of a building when I was there working on my masters, kind of depressing actually, then again the campus was kind of depressing when I was there in general at the time. Much nicer now…
Comment by OneMan Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 10:49 am
===”the more folks that vote, the better” ==
Well said Bruce.
Voter suppression, under the guise of reducing some mythical at-the-poll voter fraud, is disgraceful and un-American.
It would be nice if some of Rauner’s biggest donors supported his position around the country.
Comment by Walker Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 10:50 am
===at least one private===
Those universities aren’t in the bill. Let’s stick to the bill, please.
Comment by Rich Miller Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 10:55 am
Given the choice of who we have to vote for this election, locating a polling place and/or a voter registration operation in a bar has my vote, and I’d drink to that.
Comment by PublicServant Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 11:01 am
–
Given the choice of who we have to vote for this election, locating a polling place and/or a voter registration operation in a bar has my vote, and I’d drink to that.
–
At least we aren’t in a state that bans alcohol sales on election day!
Comment by RonOglesby Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 11:11 am
===At least we aren’t in a state that bans alcohol sales on election day!===
I smell a new Ive’s bill on the horizon…Thanks Ron!
Comment by PublicServant Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 11:15 am
Headline: San Jose dispensaries offer free marijuana to card-carrying voters. Old wine in new bottles?
Comment by a drop in Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 11:42 am
Anyone else have a problem with a rep who can’t spell “queue?”
Comment by Skeptic Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 11:49 am
Back in the day, one could literally walk out the back door of one polling place on the UIUC campus and right into a saloon.
Or so I heard. I was always at the library.
Comment by Arthur Andersen Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 11:52 am
More students at the football game?
Not in this state- at least not at UIUC
Comment by Bakersfield Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 12:05 pm
Rich
You are a funny guy. I’m glad to entertain. And speaking of universities… it appears they are lawyering up. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/189975/
Comment by Steve Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 12:11 pm
Just another indication that Rauner is a either a fool or a rank political opportunist.
Incredible that people can not take the time to register to vote within a specified time before the elections. And that specified time should be no sooner than that the legal requirements are met and that one is qualified to vote.
However, that process should be done as quickly as possible with the governmental resources provided to do so. That is what the GA should be considering. A quick, verifiable and legal way for people to vote.
We are often told that every vote counts and that elections are often close and in some cases decided by a few votes. But all votes should be valid!
Comment by Federalist Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 12:21 pm
===That may overshadow a pretty legitimate concern.===
What is that concern?
Is it more defending Ives for earlier comments and the location of these colleges?
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 12:22 pm
==que==
Apparently she only gives her op-eds a once over.
==That may overshadow a pretty legitimate concern==
==- A guy… - Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 9:46 am:==
What’s her “legitimate concern”? A severely limited franchise like those in the “faded Confederate uniform” wanted?
What’s the concern? It’s just grace period voting extended if you bother reading the bill. Grace period registrants couldn’t even vote on election day before.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=85&GA=98&DocTypeId=HB&DocNum=105&GAID=12&LegID=68487&SpecSess=&Session=
http://www.elections.il.gov/downloads/electioninformation/pdf/graceperiodreg.pdf
Comment by Precinct Captain Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 12:36 pm
=== that specified time should be no sooner than that the legal requirements are met and that one is qualified to vote===
So then do you have an objection to same day voter registration Captain Obvious, err, I mean, Federalist?
Comment by PublicServant Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 12:39 pm
@PubicServant,
Certainly no objections if the legal requirements are met and this can be verified. But the key issue is verification.
Can this really be done the same day? I do not see how considering governmental applications I have gone through in the past. But maybe there is something that could be done that I do not know about.
Can there be provisional ballots? I suppose, but what a mess. In some cases actual election results could be be delayed for very long periods of time.
So why not have a streamlined truly verifiable process in which our state determines how long it would take to verify one’s eligibility (and make it as quick as possible) and the the citizenry take to heed the regulations like we have to do in so many other important aspects of our life.
And yes, lets have a photo, fingerprint Voter ID card provided free to everyone who qualifies. I would be pleased to have one and go by the regulations required to obtain it.
Comment by Federalist Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 12:52 pm
==Incredible that people can not take the time to register to vote within a specified time before the elections.==
What is more incredible is that anybody is against letting people register to vote up until the time they are voting in the election. What’s the problem?
==But all votes should be valid!==
Yeah. And registering to vote on the same day invalidates those votes how? Makes them suspect how? Jeez. At least you can verify that the person voting is who they say they are on the spot. You’d think the people clamoring for voter ID laws would love same day registration.
Comment by Demoralized Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 12:53 pm
===Can this really be done the same day? I do not see how…===
You need two forms of ID one of which shows your home address. Showing those takes minutes. Technology allows the printing of the registration on the spot. I find it hard to believe that you are skeptical of the process. Could/should people have registered ahead of time? Maybe, but so what? You mention regulation. I’m glad you’re for that. It’s needed in many situations. All votes should be valid, but allowing an American citizen to exercise their right to vote is paramount, and every attempt ought to be made to enable that to occur. Absent evidence that any statistically significant voter fraud has occurred, any regulations should be measured against the possibility that they are more likely to disenfranchise Americans from voting than to prevent the horde of invalid voters you imagine are likely to take advantage of any perceived voting loopholes you’d like closed.
Comment by PublicServant Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 1:52 pm
===Showing those takes minutes===
Seconds.
Comment by Rich Miller Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 1:58 pm
@PublicServant,
“You need two forms of ID one of which shows your home address. Showing those takes minutes.” Yes, but are they valid or phony?
“Could/should people have registered ahead of time? Maybe, but so what.” If you are not willing to follow a few basic rules, then it is beyond pathetic and leads back to verification issues.
“All votes should be valid, but allowing an American citizen to exercise their right to vote is paramount….” Not if their ‘vote’ is not valid. Otherwise, I get to do anything I want related to the government as well- rules are for all and just others.
“Absent evidence that any statistically significant voter fraud has occurred….”
Says who? This is not about some statistical study it is about the privilege, and yes right
(legally,) to vote. Correlation Coefficients are not the issue. Voting integrity is the issue.
I have presented a reasonable set of conditions and requirements for voting. If the present system can be improved and made faster- great.
I do not want my vote to be cancelled out by someone who has not gone to the same basic common sense regulations that I make certain I go through.
Comment by Federalist Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 2:41 pm
=== Yes, but are they valid or phony? ===
With that attitude, nobody could ever register to vote. Including you.
=== If you are not willing to follow a few basic rules===
Got news for ya, the rules were just changed.
===Says who?===
Show me a study that found recent statistically significant voter fraud in this state.
===I have presented a reasonable set of conditions and requirements===
Well, you were just out voted in the General Assembly.
Comment by Rich Miller Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 2:47 pm
Mr. Miller,
“With that attitude, nobody could ever register to vote. Including you.” Really. Your point is not a very persuasive putdown of my comments that rules should be established and adhered to by everybody, and that includes you as well as me as well as others.
“Well, you were just out voted in the General Assembly.” I never was in the General Assembly and that is totally irrelevant to a discussion of this issue.
I senses you were rather opposed to my comments but I have kept such comments low key and to the point.
Comment by Federalist Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 3:13 pm
===Your point is not a very persuasive putdown===
To you, maybe. lol
Comment by Rich Miller Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 3:15 pm
@Federalist:
How does same day registration differ from registering any other time? They are still providing the same stuff to register as you do. Your concerns are completely unfounded.
Comment by Demoralized Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 3:17 pm
Mr. Miller,
You do not serve yourself any credit with the “lol”
addition to your comment.
Comment by Federalist Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 3:17 pm
@Demoralized,
In order to have time that such information can be more properly verified. That is the goal of an honest voting and election process.
Nothing is foolproof but there should be a real attempt to determine verification just as one would when they apply for SS. SSA can not just take my word for it that I am eligible. It must be checked out and some amount of time and sincere effort must be made in this process.
Comment by Federalist Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 3:25 pm
==In order to have time that such information can be more properly verified. ==
You provide your verification when you register. I’m not sure what you think goes on when you register to vote. You walk in. You provide proof of who you are. You are registered. That’s all there is to it. I have no idea what verification processes you are referring to.
Comment by Demoralized Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 3:32 pm
Methinks Federalist would have scoffed at the Declaration of Independence.
“Hancock schmancock!”
It would be nice if conservatives were half as concerned with identity theft due to careless corporate security — a very real problem.
Instead, they get all bunched up about phantom voter fraud.
Of course, it isn’t real fraud they fear, but legitimate voters who are more likely to be transient and they suspect, vote Democratic.
Comment by Yellow Dog Democrat Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 3:37 pm
@YDD - But it sure is fun to watch them use tortured logic to support there stated reasons for objecting to something.
Comment by PublicServant Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 3:50 pm
@Demoralized,
Yes, you provide your verification when you register. No disagreement. And that Voter ID card, previously obtained and verified when you registered, allows you to vote instantly.
You do not have to prove it over and over again but you do have to previously registered, and hopefully this information is verified correctly, by the time you present your Voter ID card at the polls.
Evidently you misunderstood what I was saying. The only thing I have added to the mix is that each Voter ID should have a photo and fingerprint in case local election judges question one’s vote and just for overall purposes of voting integrity.
It appears to me that this has become a political football. Certain groups/people/political parties want to just take everyone’s word for it that they are who they say they are. They may have their own agendas. Other groups/people/political parties truly would try to suppress voting by any method they can. This same latter group, instead of trying to at least make a more fool proof system would then rather complain and use it as a fund raising mechanism.
I just want a truly honest system whereby those honestly eligible to vote may do so and a process that ensures as much integrity as any system can.
Comment by Federalist Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 3:55 pm
–The only thing I have added to the mix is that each Voter ID should have a photo and fingerprint in case local election judges question one’s vote and just for overall purposes of voting integrity.–
I think it’s a gag. He’s pulling out legs.
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 4:03 pm
===Voter ID should have a photo and fingerprint in case local election judges question one’s vote===
Where I live, my entire conversation with election judges goes like this:
“Name?”
“Rich Miller.”
“Here’s your ballot.”
Perhaps your election judges work for the NSA. Mine apparently do not.
Comment by Rich Miller Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 4:08 pm
“Where I live, my entire conversation with election judges goes like this:”
Where I judge, the signature is the identification. What you put in ink on election day has to match what you put in ink (and is reprinted) on the registration card. My feeling is the “30 days” thing may be a relic where it took time to print, sort and bind the sheets that are send out to the polls on election day. That time may be able to be shortened, but then, maybe not. Shortening the process may well be more expensive. (So how would we pay the difference? A tax hike?) There are other logistical problems I can think of, but I won’t prattle on.
Anyway, the signature system seems to be working well (as Rich has said multiple times, “Where’s the fraud?”)
Comment by Skeptic Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 4:24 pm
Mr. Miller,
Not where I live. You have a voter ID card and you are checked against a list each time you vote to make certain that your name is on that list.
Of course, that does not stop fraud if one is not who they say they are and the legally entitled voter does not show up. Hence the need for photo ID and fingerprints. (By the way many years ago, as a student, I took a job as a janitor as the Illinois State Fair. Before I could work I had to be fingerprinted at the ISF office.)
However, I will not doubt the laxity or incompetence of your election judges. But what your election judges do or do not do is not and should not be the point.
Actually, this back and forth is rather fun. Kind of reminds me of the old days when I negotiated for the AFT at a university I worked for.
Comment by Federalist Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 4:29 pm
===a voter ID card and you are checked against a list===
If you live in Illinois, that would be illegal unless there is some sort of challenge.
Comment by Rich Miller Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 4:31 pm
Did any GOP legislators vote for same-day registration? I’d be surprised. If not, then Rauner took a position opposed by every member of his party in the General Assembly. And they accused the Democrats of a plot to win the election, while Rauner just exonerated the accused.
Comment by Anon Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 4:35 pm
–Hence the need for photo ID and fingerprints.–
You can’t be serious. Just who do you expect to be qualified to make fingerprint matches at every polling place?
For crying out, Big Brother, get a grip.
Do yourself a favor and become a poll watcher and challenge every vote you care to.
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 4:41 pm
Mr. Miller,
Well it is done that way where I live in downstate Illinois (not Sangamon County)
You say it is illegal. Did not know that. I know that at present you can not be asked to show a photo to vote.
But I did not know that you can not be asked to show a voter ID.
I tried to verify this online (county offices closed by now) but could not find the answer one way or another.
Please verify where you obtained that information as I would like that to be know where I vote in the future.
However, we digress. the topic I was bringing up, as well as others, was whether there should be same day voting and our views on this topic.
On that, I have clearly stated my opinions and why I have them.
Comment by Federalist Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 4:45 pm
“I will not doubt the laxity or incompetence of your election judges.”
“Do yourself a favor and become a poll watcher and challenge every vote you care to.”
Have you ever been an election judge? Do you know how hard it is to find election judges? Try it some time, and then tell us what you think.
Comment by Skeptic Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 4:54 pm
– Do you know how hard it is to find election judges? –
Probably not as hard as getting latent fingerprint analysts at every polling place, like Federalist wants as a solution to his imaginary problem.
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 4:58 pm
I will wait from Mr. Miller to see whether it is illegal for judges to request a voter ID.
@ Skeptic,
If it is illegal, I apologize for my statement about them being lazy or incompetent. If it is legal then that part of the discussion is over and will not comment to about how hard it is to find election judges.
Comment by Federalist Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 5:02 pm
Most of you didn’t notice Representative Ives’ tongue pressed firmly in her cheek when she used the analogy of a campus bar waiting line being a great location for a college registration location. My take is her point was that you need an ID to go in and drink but none needed to vote. Oh, and Rich, your comment “I figure there’s a lot more kids at football games anyway.” is ironic since the student would have to show a college ID to get the student discount on a ticket, or to just enter the arena, but to vote, none needed. Anybody see anything wrong with this picture?
Comment by Fiscal Sense Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 6:47 pm
“I noticed Representative Ives’ sharp tongue pressing a racial undertow with Chicago State when she used the analogy of a campus and students and voting. Ives would like Chicago State students waiting in line and that being a great location for voter suppression. My take is her point was that you need a way to suppress people to vote…”
Better.
I know who Jeanne Ives is, thanks, saluting Confederates and all…
And how she is not helping My Party a good deal of the time.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 6:58 pm
– is ironic since the student would have to show a college ID to get the student discount on a ticket, or to just enter the arena, but to vote, none needed. Anybody see anything wrong with this picture?–
What amendment to the Constitution is the right for cheap seats at football games addressed?
As far as voting goes, the 24th Amendment bars any kind of poll tax. So unless free state photo IDs for everyone is part of your deal, it’s a non-starter. I’m guessing the documentation necessary to get such a card, like a birth certificate, would have to be free, too.
What problem are you trying to solve, anyway?
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 7:01 pm
=== is ironic since the student would have to show a college ID to get the student discount on a ticket, or to just enter the arena===
That’s because that is a money-making endeavor, and heavens nobody can defraud the athletic department. That said, depending on the system, its fairly easy to thwart the college ID standard. At my current institution they don’t even check that the face matches the one on the card and there’s no bar code scan either.
Comment by CollegeStudent Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 7:28 pm
@wordslinger,
Whether requiring a photo Id is a poll tax is highly debatable and something neither you nor I know how the SC would rule.
@CoillegeStudent,
Fairly easy to thwart the college ID standard. Yep. Thus, the need for tamper proof Voter ID.
But as I repeatedly stated a photo fingerprint ID should be available free to all who qualify.
Comment by Federalist Tuesday, Jun 10, 14 @ 8:05 pm
@Federalist:
Fingerprints? C’mon. I just got a passport and I didn’t have to be fingerprinted for it. What the heck is wrong with you that you think voting is some big disaster rampant with voter fraud and people sneaking around left and right to vote. Dude, get a grip. Voting is a basic right.
Also, you go in and provide proof of who you are and they send you a voter ID card. There isn’t any backroom analysis of that information. I’m still not sure you have any clue as to what goes on when you register, or for that fact when you vote. Rich is right. I walk into my polling place and sign my name and I vote.
Get. A. Grip.
Comment by Demoralized Wednesday, Jun 11, 14 @ 7:48 am