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* The House Democrats have introduced their proposal to fund higher education and social services. Click here to read it.
The bill spends way more than the governor has proposed and it relies on lots of generic General Revenue Fund money, which means there is no way to pay for some of that spending.
There’s some speculation that this is a deliberate attempt by HDem leadership to derail everything by making the package too heavy. On the other hand, it could also just be a way to get to the governor to agree to more spending than he has so far. Whatever the case, the Senate can’t make any changes if this bill passes the House because it’s a Senate bill.
* However, I have been told by the governor’s office that there’s no way on Earth Rauner will sign an appropriations bill that doesn’t have a way to pay for it.
Rauner has outlined about a billion dollars in special state funds (subscribers know more), but the Democrats’ bill goes way beyond just tapping those funds. If the Democrats do this, then today’s work could very well be for naught. So, stop it already and make a darned deal.
*** UPDATE 1 *** I’m told the GRF money is “maintenance of effort” (explained here) to obtain federal matching funds. So, it is paid for, they say. Hopefully, this will all get worked out. Keep your fingers crossed and hope for calm.
*** UPDATE 2 *** From a senior administration official…
It appears the Speaker could not accept compromise and at the eleventh hour has tanked a bipartisan plan to save higher education. The governor will veto any plan that spends money the state doesn’t have. In the meantime, members of the majority will go home to their districts for a week to explain why they couldn’t support a bipartisan compromise to fund higher education and social services that the governor said he would sign into law.
*** UPDATE 3 *** The Rauner administration continues to insist that there is way more GRF money in the bill than the maintenance of effort stuff. “They have too much in there,” one top guy said of the Democrats.
*** UPDATE 4 *** In caucus today, House Republican members were asked if they planned to vote for the Democratic approp bill. Nobody raised their hands.
*** UPDATE 5 *** Dems are indicating there could be another approp bill vote if this one goes down. That second bill, if it happens, would apparently spend less money.
*** UPDATE 6 *** Sounds like they will do a stand-alone higher ed approp bill. CSU will reportedly be full funded, schools with big trouble get 50 percent, everyone else around 30ish. Not sure if that’ll pass, though. And not sure if that’s 100 percent accurate, either. There is also word that everything could revert back to yesterday’s levels. Stay tuned.
From now on, all updates on this topic today will be on our live coverage post.
* There’s lots of behind the scenes stuff happening right now, so make sure to follow the live coverage post for updates.
* Related…
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posted by Rich Miller
Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:02 pm
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That just burst my bubble.
Comment by Higher Ed Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:11 pm
I guess the HGOP will have first crack, and if Rauner, as a governor, vetoes, Rauner will own his vetoes, and if Rauner commands the HGOP to be “Red”, and then signs it anyway, that would be just too much…
If I were a member in…
Carbondale
Urbana-Champaign
Macomb
Charleston
Bloomington-Normal
Edwardsville…
…
Carbondale
You’re “Red” on your economic engine, no matter what Rauner decides to do…
“Why take a chance?”
I’d be “Green”
It’s your chance College Town Reps to… “Vote Accordingly”
Lots to go here, but…
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:12 pm
Apparently they don’t want a solution yet. It’s still all a game to them right now.
Comment by Demoralized Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:12 pm
The Governor keeps saying there is no money to fully fund higher education and social programs. Rauner needs to decide if fully funding higher ed and social programs are important. If he decides that fully funding them is important, then he needs to work with the General Assembly to come up with revenue to fund them. If he does not feel that they are important enough to fully fund, then he needs to come out and say that, instead of playing both sides of the fence. Higher ed and social programs have been funded under every other Governor.
Comment by Joe M Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:12 pm
My hope?
Make a deal that Rauner will sign and save Higher Ed.
That’s what’s needed. Period.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:14 pm
for once it is nice to read facts about the actions of the Dems and not just the rhetoric about or equivocating about the Repubs. This is a Dem state and even though we have a Repub Governor, this mess hangs on their necks due to decades of irresponsible government. Glad to see that called out today.
Comment by Tired Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:18 pm
- Tired -
Let’s be clear how this works…
A state university that closes on a governor’s “watch”, the governor owns the consequences.
“Pat Quinn failed”
If Madigan gets this to Rauner to Veto, can’t explain away a Veto stamp to families not having a college to return to…
On the flip side, Madigan going down this road is disappointing to the art of compromise and saving Higher Ed, but the Dems know, like K-12 not opening on time… a college closing is something no governor wants.
Make the deal… Everyone.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:23 pm
==this mess hangs on their necks==
Just stop already. Yes, they should take blame. But please stop perpetuating the myth that the Governor is a victim in all of this. He isn’t. He’s been here for 15 months now and he’s had a definite hand in the budget stalemate going on right now.
Comment by Demoralized Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:25 pm
==The governor will veto any plan that spends money the state doesn’t have.==
His same old line of no money to pay for it is getting tired. If there is no budget there is no money to spend on K-12 or any other state appropriations either. Yet he will keep trying to fund K-12 and bits and pieces of programs here and there, so he can continue to hold higher ed and social programs hostage to his anti-union agenda.
Comment by Joe M Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:25 pm
Rauner has a tiger (mjm) by the tail, and he is the one that kept hitting it with a stick.
Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:26 pm
Thanks Willy === Make the deal… Everyone ===
It really is this simple
Comment by illini Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:26 pm
Guessin’ BigBrains gettin’ some instruction on billreadin’ then they can calm themselves.
Comment by Annonin' Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:34 pm
Annonin’ from your typing fingers to God’s ears.
Comment by Rich Miller Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:41 pm
Past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior, with a Dem Governor and super majority for several years they didn’t fix it. Yes, Rauner is there, and things are worse. What is the only variable that is the same? I want the Dems to completely capitulate. They failed, own it, take your loss move on. They failed the state, they failed their constituency, and now they want to play on, and on, and on. Hostage taking took place when they were going to cut all state contracts several years ago, remember that? The Dems need to captivate and get out of office. Sacrifice themselves to save the state. The only great fear they have is that organized labor will go away. Take the tinfoil off boys, it will never go away.
Comment by Tired Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:42 pm
Make a deal? Yeah, like the deal they made before with childcare? Yeah, let’s make a deal with that guy. I think the dems are being too generous. They are giving the governor a chance to look and act decent. The governor has proposed his own budget that did not have enough revenue to fund it. So he can just cram it when it comes to saying there is not enough revenue in this bill. Pass it already. If the governor vetoes it… when the governor vetoes it… it was what he was going to do with any bill no matter what. Can’t trust him. He wants the suffering.
Comment by Ducky LaMoore Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:42 pm
It’s either a necessary play for fed funds or it’s not.
Does Rauner need to catch up?
Comment by cdog Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:43 pm
To Update 1…
Seems to be in order, seems to meet criteria…
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:43 pm
Past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior, with a Dem Governor and super majority for several years they didn’t fix it. Yes, Rauner is there, and things are worse. What is the only variable that is the same? I want the Dems to completely capitulate. They failed. They should own it, take their loss and move on.
Comment by Tired Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:43 pm
==I want the Dems to completely capitulate.==
Take a look at the title of this post - FACE REALITY.
Think on that advice and then tell us all why your “want” is ridiculous.
Comment by Demoralized Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:45 pm
It’s interesting that the Governor’s office would so vehemently oppose appropriation from GRF on the grounds that he opposes spending money the state doesn’t have. Illinois has been spending money we don’t have at the Governor’s direction since Departments entered contracts with providers last July without appropriations to make good on those contracts.
What’s the plan to make good on those contracts? Where’s that money coming from?
Comment by Emily Miller Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:47 pm
===I want the Dems to completely capitulate.===
No one is on your lawn.
Politics is the art of compromise.
The water “here” might be too deep for you to swim.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:47 pm
Question for those more plugged in than most of us…. Why doesn’t Madigan bring Rauner’s TA items up for a vote? They’ll certainly fail, easily enough that he can give some dem members a free pass to vote for one or two of them. How can Rauner publicly ask for more than that? I’m sure there’s a good reason he hasn’t picked this route.
Comment by Anony Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:50 pm
===Dem Governor===
Governors own. You know that too.
Colleges close on a governor’s watch, a governor owns that too.
You’re a troll, I fed you, you even know governors own.
Good luck.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:50 pm
===They’ll certainly fail===
You think term limits will fail?
Comment by Rich Miller Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:52 pm
The Governor and the GOP are the ones who need to face reality. They do not have the votes to do anything. They only can hold the budget hostage to their turnaround agenca
Comment by Joe M Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:53 pm
The reality is that there is a projected $600 million to spend, in a fund designated for education. Mucking it up with other stuff is counterproductive. Other priorities should wait for further legislation.
Comment by IsityouDB? Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:53 pm
Face Palm.
Comment by Saluki Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:55 pm
Leveraging federal money makes sense, if that, indeed, is what’s happening.
Seems the ice is breaking, regardless, with agreement among all parties that something has to move.
That, to me, is the hard part. After that, it’s the usual sturm und drang.
Comment by wordslinger Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:58 pm
Rich, perhaps not, you’d certainly have a better handle on that than me. Is that the reason Madigan hasn’t chosen that route?
Comment by Anony Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:58 pm
“Seems to be in order, seems to meet criteria…”
This is accurate. The link Rich provided is a very good explanation of it. If the Governor doesn’t have advisors who can explain that to him, Illinois may be in even more trouble than I thought. He would be flushing federal money down the toilet for a wide variety of programs including those like TRIO that supports low income and first generation students. Not sure on the reporting cycle, but depending on when it hits, this is critical. Unless you just want to give money away to other states.
Comment by ArchPundit Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 2:59 pm
Fake - Fake - Fake…
Rauner Saves Higher Ed & Social Services
Rauner holds firm, gets fully funded appropriations.
Springfield - Gov. Bruce Rauner today signed legislation to save both Higher Education and Social Services and held true to his own promise of having actual funding to fulfill his request to end phantom funding sources…
Fake- Fake - Fake
…………..
Sometimes, you just declare victory and move on for everyone’s sake
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:04 pm
So does this mean we go to DEFCON 1 if this all goes down? Do the really really ugly things start to happen? Where do we go from failure like this?
Comment by Honeybear Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:05 pm
The risk is adding all of the human services to the Higher Ed “must pass” bill. Too much weight, and the bill is no longer “must pass.”
Comment by Pot calling kettle Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:05 pm
Since Bruce became *Illinois/CEO* there has been no increase in revenue to offset the expansion in Welfare for the Wealthy.
Why worry about revenue now?
Comment by Jack Stephens Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:05 pm
Emily Miller +1
Comment by AC Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:07 pm
In addition, OW…what happens to the Franchise Pizza/Sandwich shoppes when the university closes?
What happens to those Small Business Owners?
A certain Presidential candidate is all about protecting small businesses, on the flip side he wants Mandatory Government *Checks* in the bathroom.
Comment by Jack Stephens Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:08 pm
the maitenance of wffort seems pretty critical. losing free fed money would just be bad government. perhaps somone with actual budget knowledge should explain this to rauner. he needs people who do more then push cuts to the needy to explain federal dollars and grants.
Comment by Ghost Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:12 pm
There is no money to pay for it because Rauner vetoed new revenue bills and Republicans vote against the millionaire tax. These ppl need to go!
Comment by Jay Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:19 pm
===Rauner vetoed new revenue bills===
lol
When?
Comment by Rich Miller Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:26 pm
To Update 3
Ok all the GOP members representing college towns…
You seen the source of the monies, Rauner still says “dunno, too much”…
Are you “Red” or are you “Green” to your college towns?
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:30 pm
Come on Norine, Macomb/WIU needs YOU!
Comment by PutUpTime Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:34 pm
Can Rauner just line item veto the too much stuff and let the other money through?
Comment by hisgirlfriday Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:34 pm
hisgirlfriday - that is exactly what the Speaker wants. He also wants all the Republicans to vote against the bill. That way the Republicans and Governor have to be against all the fun stuff, but the crucial stuff still gets done. Its a win/win!
Comment by Just Me Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:38 pm
- hisgirlfriday -
Rauner has refused to own vetoes of decisions.
Full vetoes had been the norm in the FY2016 Budget Approps.
I can’t see Rauner picking and choosing.
Rauner also said he doesn’t see that as his “role” to decide, per presser of “short term pain for big long term gain” fame.
Check it out.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:38 pm
@ PutUpTime 3:34
Yes, a thousand times yes — but with respect, have you called to tell her so and that we’re watching? And that if she doesn’t put up, we will — in OW’s phrase — “vote accordingly”?
Comment by WIUoblivion Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:41 pm
I mean, we can’t afford to spend money on outpatient mental health services dammit! How are we going to hospitalize and incarcerate people and pay those bills if we are stopping all that stuff up front by paying for mental health services. Duh.
Comment by Waffle Fries Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:43 pm
Note to Gov Rauner:
Use. Line. Item. Veto. To. Weigh. In.
You. Can. Do. This.
Comment by Austin Blvd Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:43 pm
=== “They have too much in there,” ===
Someone please explain to governor his line item reduction powers.
Comment by Juvenal Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:47 pm
WIUoblivion:
Yes, yes I have, in person.
We are most definitely watching…
Comment by PutUpTime Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:50 pm
===Someone please explain to governor his line item reduction powers.===
Rauner doesn’t want to own the Veto, period. Anything in choosing what is saved and what is Vetoed is NOT a Rauner thing.
Full Vetoes, blame Democrats, “wash hands of it”
Rauner refuses to use the levers, it’s bktbthst he doesn’t know the levers….
Huge difference.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:50 pm
Note to Rauner:
If you do not have testi….r veracity to use line item veto, then You. Should. Resign.
You would be a faux governor.
Comment by Austin Blvd Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:55 pm
Annonin’ since you claim to have the full brief on this proposal, could you help me understand why a $540k approp from a DHS fund is made to IDOT for a grant to the “Illinois Latino Family Commission” for some make-work kinda projects?
Comment by Arthur Andersen Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:56 pm
Emily Miller +2
Comment by Norseman Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 3:57 pm
PutUpTime at 3:50
Then we’re on the same page — cool!
Comment by WIUoblivion Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:01 pm
There was a deal on Higher Ed worked out last night with money that actually exists. The Governor agreed to sign it. No turnaround agenda items at all included. The Speaker just blew it up. Spinning it any other way is nonsense. The Dems involved in very good faith negotiations are furious. Truth.
Comment by Truthseeker Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:11 pm
- Truthseeker -
See “Update 2″ above.
Truth.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:12 pm
Previous message: “Turnaround Agenda or nothing.”
Rauner’s new message: “I could have voted for…but they sent me…instead. It’s still the Dems fault if I won’t let the hostages go.”
Comment by Wensicia Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:13 pm
===*** UPDATE 4 *** In caucus today, House Republican members were asked if they planned to vote for the Democratic approp bill. Nobody raised their hands.===
Not a good sign, Norine. Macomb/WIU is watching…
Comment by PutUpTime Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:21 pm
===*** UPDATE 4 *** In caucus today, House Republican members were asked if they planned to vote for the Democratic approp bill. Nobody raised their hands.===
Welp, Macomb… well, Charleston… hey, Urbana-Champaign… hello Carbondale…
“Vote Accordingly”
Ubderstand… your members… are voting against the Economic Engines… and your towns. Don’t. Be. Fooled.
Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:21 pm
Ugh!
- Anonymous - was me.
My phone cycled out.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:22 pm
Lots of valuable insight in this thread. After months of squealing at the Governor to drop the “poison pills” and “find another way,” the administration and House Republicans offer up a perfectly reasonable compromise that does both of those things and funds higher education and social services. The Speaker decides that he’s not done playing politics, and the CapFaxers can’t hold their applause. Incredible.
Comment by Jack Kemp Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:23 pm
- Jack Kemp -
Explain “Update 2″ and how it does NOT meet the Gov’s Criteria?
Thanks.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:26 pm
Gop refuses to support bill
Rauner vetoes bill.
Politics 101 Lesson to Editorial Writers:
GOP swings, whiffs, walks off field holding breath and later, refuses to eat vegetables.
Rauner issues line item veto and invites Gop to mansion for dinner.
Comment by Austin Blvd Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:31 pm
I have no idea what that means. Explain how the Governor’s explanation does not meet the Governor’s “Criteria?” How does that make sense?
Comment by Jack Kemp Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:32 pm
===I have no idea what that means. Explain how the Governor’s explanation does not meet the Governor’s “Criteria?” How does that make sense?===
Please, keep up.
The Governor has stated he won’t support any funding without proper revenue sourced.
Use the link in “Update 1″ Click the link. Read. Re-read “Update 2″…
Explain how “Update 1″ does not meet the funding source criteria.
You can do it…
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:35 pm
OK, Jack Kemp (welcome back to the living):
1) Dems draft a bill providing *vital* (yet only partial) funding to our Universities and Human Services
2) Rauner advisors threaten total veto (he could use his Amendatory veto however he like, but noooooo)
3) On cue, GOP caucus decides to put zero “Greens” on it
What is left to explain? Who is spinning who? At a critical juncture, Rauner and his legislators are choosing to burn down Illinois.
Comment by Put UpTime Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:43 pm
==House Republicans offer up a perfectly reasonable compromise that does both of those things and funds higher education and social services.==
An important word is missing in that: “partially” -
partially funds higher education and social services. Why doesn’t the Governor want to fully fund higher education and social services?
Comment by Joe M Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:44 pm
Willy, if you’re all caught up, why do you need me to explain it to you? Too much GRF. Pretty simple stuff here. Certainly not rocket science.
Comment by Jack Kemp Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:44 pm
I’d like to see a story on how, even if higher ed is funded, several departments in schools have been gutted. No full timers teaching, less course offerins, etc. Any future fundin’ will not bring that back. Then these depts will have to justify their exisitence based on their lowered capacity.
Comment by Dr X Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:46 pm
” Too much GRF. Pretty simple stuff here. Certainly not rocket science.”
Amendatory veto then.
Comment by ArchPundit Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:47 pm
- Jack Kemp -
I just wanted to make clear your drive-by habits continue without a clue.
Thanks for not disappointing, LOL
To “Update 5″
Great. Glad to hear it.
Of course, they will run THIS bill first, putting University Reps out there on “Yellow” or “Red”…
Ugh.
Yeah… more campaign votes hurting the HGOP
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:49 pm
It’s hard to say without seeing numbers from every grant that the universities have, but I funding at 30% is not unlikely to be the required amount. The point of the requirement is to make sure that universities aren’t supplanting what they do with federal funds. In cases like TRiO or other programs that can include financial aid decisions for those who are low income.
Comment by ArchPundit Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:50 pm
can somebody help me untangle the politics of this? Is the bill in current form meant to attract R votes, or at the very least put them on the spot for a tough vote? If so, why telegraph that there’s another bill they’d bring up that spends less. Why wouldn’t the Rs just wait for that one? Or is the first vote a known loser and they’ll take it anyway to get some R no votes on the books? Or i’m missing something?
Comment by Johnny Pyle Driver Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:53 pm
JPD: If you were a rep who cared about your district (cough, say, Norine Hammond for Macomb/WIU), you would clearly want to vote for the first bill because it provides more funding to help your suffering students, University, and Macomb constituencies — the ones you represent and care about the most!
Unless you don’t care about them the most.
Comment by PutUpTime Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 4:59 pm
Is that going to be a strong message though, if they’re green on the second bill? The ‘Noes’ on the first bill will sorta wash, won’t they? “I voted to fund higher education, as evidenced by $X of dollars contained in this bill right here. I just didn’t vote for the wasteful partisan bills the Ds put forth.”
Comment by Johnny Pyle Driver Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 5:02 pm
===Is that going to be a strong message though, if they’re green on the second bill?===
Depends on the mailers…
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 5:20 pm
I had it exactly right Willy. Downstate Dems joined GOP in telling the Speaker to get real. Heavy negotiations going on as we speak. Truth.
Comment by Truthseeker Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 5:33 pm
All of this seems to be awfully arbitrary. And with a huge price tag. Are we rewarding schools that have been poorly managed, or can no longer attract enough students to pay the bills, by giving them more tax dollars than the ones that do well? Is enrollment going down at some of these smaller schools? Aren’t the big schools providing more on-line classes? Maybe we should concentrate on the schools that are doing well, and have them provide more services for an even larger number of students? Some of the question is geographic, I know - but for schools with student housing, it shouldn’t matter as much - they obviously can’t draw enough students from within driving distance. And in Chicago, it looks like they have a bunch of schools that wind up trying to compete with each other as well as with the larger ones like UIC and Urbana - good luck. Time all these state-funded schools joined forces a bit? Another case of tax-funded enabling. I know I’ll probably get some flak here, but I know some very capable professionals who got their degrees on-line.
Comment by Just Sayin Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 5:36 pm
- Truthseeker -
LOL, there have been 6 updates so far…
Nothing is done until it’s done.
Don’t hurt yourself patting yourself on the back prematurely.
Also, rubbing the 1st Bill, lots of damage yet to be inflicted(?)
“Truth!”, lol
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 5:40 pm
“running”
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 5:41 pm
House Amendment 3 is Higher Ed only which should be more attractive to R votes, but Franks hits it with note requests…what’s up with that?
Comment by Pot calling kettle Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 5:51 pm
Just Sayin
Really? What you don’t know about Illinois higher education is astounding! I suppose you could make the decisions on which schools and communities should close or die? What’s the criteria? Please enlighten those of us who are skeptical that you know squat about higher education in Illinois.
Comment by Old and In the Way Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 5:53 pm
===Also, I’m told all House GOPs will be on the bill.===
All GOP “Green”? Interesting.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 6:04 pm
– Heavy negotiations going on as we speak.–
You say that like it’s a bad thing, legislators actually legislating like they’re in a legislature or something.
You know — different constituencies, competing interests, that sort of thing.
Get real on, yourself, and try not to lose your head at every bump in the road.
It’s never pretty, but it seems something positive is happening for the first time in a long while.
Comment by wordslinger Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 6:17 pm
If this actually happens, I may have to have 31 percent of a drink tonight.
Comment by WIUoblivion Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 6:28 pm
Franks is a great one for wanting his cake and eating it too. He votes against full funding because not enough revenue, but then assails a stopgap bill because it doesn’t provide full funding.
Comment by Norseman Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 6:33 pm
===Franks is a great one for wanting his cake and eating it too. He votes against full funding because not enough revenue, but then assails a stopgap bill because it doesn’t provide full funding.===
Franks being Franks… he’s a piece of work.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 6:36 pm
oops - “hopping from crisis to crisis”
Comment by Norseman Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 7:02 pm
- Truthseeker -
Held until tomorrow…
Is that how you drew that up… or…
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 7:20 pm
schedule says senate out until 5/3
Comment by cdog Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 7:23 pm
If I could buy cannoli for every member of the rank and file who was a part of this tonight, I would.
Well done, ladies and gentlemen. Despite the bitter attempt by one partisan to tank this bill, you stepped up for the state and made progress.
Thank you.
Comment by Formerly Known As... Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 7:25 pm
What exactly just happened? I’m confused now.
Comment by Demoralized Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 7:25 pm
I have to admit, sadly in any and every way you want to be considered sad…
… never thought I’d see it held in “3rd Reading” tonight.
Wow.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 7:25 pm
The way this was going down evidently stuck in somebody’s craw.
Comment by Norseman Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 7:26 pm
===Well done, ladies and gentlemen. Despite the bitter attempt by one partisan to tank this bill, you stepped up for the state and made progress.
Thank you.===
Huh?!?!?
You have odd reasons to buy Cannoli…
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 7:28 pm
Looks like it’s not soup yet in the Senate.
Comment by wordslinger Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 7:29 pm
Why does this feel like I just watched a basketball player in open court going for a layup who stopped and called time out
Comment by Demoralized Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 7:29 pm
Okay, why did she pull the bill at the last minute? That makes no sense. Any ideas?
Comment by eiuprof Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 7:31 pm
The Harris vs Harris battle was interesting.
The (R) Harris made a big deal about how the bill that had been passed to Rauner Had No Funding.
The (D)Harris said Not So Fast. The bill Rauner’s desk was using the exact same funding from the $600m expected to be in the EAF.
The real difference, imho and unspoken from what I heard, is that the bill that Rauner has at least gives vendors recourse by appropriating.
Hopefully tomorrow something will work and the Senate hangs around….?
Comment by cdog Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 7:32 pm
To clarify…
Knowing it could be held, I never thought, never, it would… and… I just was caught flat-footed. Stunned.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 7:33 pm
EIUprof, take you pick of theories until Rich gives us the scoop.
T1: Words thought that Senate may not be ready.
T2: The long debate stuck in the craw of Dems who wanted Human Services to be in mix.
T3: Madigan the top cat was toying with Rauner the mouse and it was time to pull the cheese away from the hungry mouse.
T4: Franks was so upset about losing his motions he promised to support override.
T5: Springfield CWLP told them that the lights would be turned off in 5 minutes for non-payment.
Comment by Norseman Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 7:42 pm
Would the difference in the language between House Amendment #1 and House Amendment #2 have caused this to be held? Amendment #1 was valid for costs incurred prior to July 1, 2016. The date in Amendment #2 is September 1, 2016 - going into FY17.
Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 7:44 pm
Between - Wordslinger -’s call on the Senate and - Norseman -’s added items, the truth is somewhere in that(?)
Sandack looked stunned when he asked “who” was the Sponsor…
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 7:55 pm
CDog - the university money may be from EAF in both but don’t forget that MAP grants and social services received $3.1 billion GRF in SB 2046. Now, if the dems would agree not to override vetos of GRF that would be one thing. . .
Comment by More Courage Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 7:56 pm
Senate back tomorrow.
Been quite a while since we all have seen sausage being made. It can get pretty bloody.
Comment by wordslinger Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 8:11 pm
Rich also said it appears this is being done to squeeze more money out of the Governor.
How far will Rauner allow himself to be squeezed?
Game of chicken…
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 8:15 pm
Sandack?
Dude. Enough of Sandack. His moment has passed.
Comment by Macbeth Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 8:20 pm
How can we trust that the appropriation will actually pass tomorrow?
Bet on nothing and Speaker Madigan just did this to play God for another 24 hours.
Comment by ClumsyTuna Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 8:21 pm
Is the House coming back tomorrow?
Comment by Mama Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 8:26 pm
Sandack is the Governor’s House Floor Leader.
He’s relevant in the role of the Governor’s mouthpiece in the Lower Chamber.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 8:26 pm
=== Senate back tomorrow. ===
Dare I say Human Services stopgap back in play.
Comment by Norseman Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 8:29 pm
Catch the Gov’s tweets?
Comment by Abigail Adams Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 8:44 pm
@Oswego Willy - yeah, I missed the surprise hold at the end as I was typing.
Comment by Formerly Known As... Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 8:48 pm
If the New Math sticks (i.e. money I spend as Governor is covered, other expenses are not), then there is no alternative to a comprehensive budget 2016/7 going forward. This is madness.
Comment by peon Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 9:22 pm
What about the Universities and Human Social Services?
Comment by Mama Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 10:13 pm
Damn, my power was off for almost 6 hours and I am just now catching up.
Comment by illini Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 11:15 pm
From successful, bipartisan compromise to ==hostage== in just a few hours. smh.
Comment by Formerly Known As... Thursday, Apr 21, 16 @ 11:48 pm
–From successful, bipartisan compromise to ==hostage== in just a few hours. smh.–
LOL, you can’t be serious.
Would you be happier if the House sent the bill to the Senate and they voted it down or just went home?
Instead, the Senate is in, the bill is alive and for the first time since last April’s sweeps all the parties are actively engaged in getting something done. That’s a good thing.
This is what it looks like when the GA and the executive are actually doing their jobs. It’s a bloody, chaotic mess, but it beats the alternative.
Get used to it. These are just baby steps. The heavy lifting to clean up the willful mess created over the last year is yet to come.
But for the first time in more than a year, there’s a clear sense that all parties are moving forward.
Comment by wordslinger Friday, Apr 22, 16 @ 7:27 am