Capitol Fax.com - Your Illinois News Radar » Quinn steps away from pension cost-shift plan
SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax      Advertise Here      Mobile Version     Exclusive Subscriber Content     Updated Posts    Contact
CapitolFax.com
To subscribe to Capitol Fax, click here.
Quinn steps away from pension cost-shift plan

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2012

[UPDATE: Quinn aides deny he’s backing away]

* This probably couldn’t have passed anyway, and it could’ve just been a ruse to get more money for Chicago’s teacher pension fund, but the governor has apparently stepped away

Gov. Pat Quinn said Tuesday that while he wants to make local schools and community colleges responsible for the cost of teachers’ retirements, it isn’t an “essential” part of his immediate plans to cut spending for the state’s troubled pensions systems.

In a meeting with the Daily Herald editorial board, the Democratic governor said he’d like the General Assembly to take up the controversial proposal to shift the state’s share of pension costs to local schools before lawmakers are scheduled to leave Springfield May 31.

But, Quinn said, he’ll focus more in the coming weeks on getting legislators to approve his proposal, announced last week, to have teachers pay more toward their pensions and to raise the retirement age to 67. […]

“We want to deal with that accountability principle, but we’ll do it on a separate track,” Quinn said.

* In other pension-related stuff, Phil Kadner asks why legislators deserve a pension

“No one says they deserve one, but they get one because they make the laws,” said Andy Shaw, president and chief executive of the Better Government Association.

Shaw noted that no area of government has been as abused as the pension systems because “no one sees the result until there’s a crisis.”

Pensions and health care historically have been perks that lawmakers award themselves and unions without the public focusing on the cost, Shaw said.

He acknowledged that legislative pension costs are insignificant given the size of the state’s budget hole but agreed that “symbolically” it might be a nice gesture if lawmakers at least agreed to suspend the pension benefit until the current crisis was resolved.

But I see the state cutting programs that help the poor, preschool children, the mentally ill, the developmentally disabled and the elderly and believe that every dime saved on legislators’ pensions could be better spent elsewhere.

Discuss.

- Posted by Rich Miller        

18 Comments
  1. - Capital View - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 11:14 am:

    I don’t object to legislative pensions after eight years of service, but it should be combined with other public pensions so that the amount gets magnified beyond belief. Let public pensions each stand alone in a person’s past; the intent was always for retirement to be affordable by having a basket of pensions and annuities. Merging them is an abuse to each and to taxpayers.


  2. - He Makes Ryan Look Like a Saint - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 11:26 am:

    Where else (except Congress) does a part time job get full time benefits and Pensions? The Legislators are PART TIME. They really should not get a pension or Health care benefits.

    They are not going to get rid of it, but I think if they are going to have a pension, they should be in the SAME pension system as the REGULAR state employee, subject to the same rules.

    Will it happen, no, they are all in it for themselves.


  3. - Rich Miller - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 11:31 am:

    ===they should be in the SAME pension system as the REGULAR state employee, subject to the same rules.===

    Then state employees should all be elected?


  4. - downstate hack - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 12:05 pm:

    they should be in the SAME pension system as the REGULAR state employee, subject to the same rules.===

    Then state employees should all be elected?

    I agree strongly with the first statement. Legislators should included in the regular state emplyee pension plan, not any thing special just because they are elected. They are stilll employed and paid by the taxpayers.


  5. - PublicServant - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 12:07 pm:

    I must have run unopposed.


  6. - Irish - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 12:12 pm:

    Agree with Downstat and HMRLLS! It isn’t about whether you are elected or not. School boards are elected and get NO compensation.

    If the GA and all elected officials were in the same pension and benefit system as the regular employees they would look at it a little more carefully and not be so eager to miss payments or borrow from it. As a state employee of 37 years I would jump at the chance to have the same benefit package as the GA and would give up mine.

    Other states have one fund and they seem to be working fine.


  7. - He Makes Ryan Look Like a Saint - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 12:18 pm:

    Rich, will you donate to my campaign? I do not believe that because you were elected you are better than the voters and deserve extrodinary benefits. A vast seperation from the elected and the voters has been the reason for many of the governments to have been overthrown.


  8. - John Parnell - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 12:30 pm:

    Capitol Views idea to not aggregate separate pensions makes a lot of sense. Maybe Andy Shaw should push that idea.


  9. - It's Just Me - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 12:35 pm:

    Of course legislators deserve pensions, but they don’t deserve the right to abuse the pension system as some have done. Without a salary, pensions, benefits, etc etc only the uber rich would run for office. In fact, I think if we paid legislators more we would have better legislators because as is only rich or unemployed nephews and friends of the powerful run for office now far too often.

    Andy Shaw doesn’t care about good public policy, he cares about making it look like he cares about public policy.


  10. - South of 64 - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 12:47 pm:

    Legislator’s pensions should be no better nor worse than state employees. 8 years minimum and collect at 67, the new retirement age. Why not?


  11. - Confused - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 1:03 pm:

    How about a 401k plan for legislators just like those owned by their constituents. Heck, the state could even match 3% just like my company does. Or, maybe they shouldn’t vest until 20 years - like the US military.


  12. - bdreedle - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 1:15 pm:

    No one has mentioned the fact that there has been a lot of retired legislators or thsoe who have been voted out appointed as Agency Director for as little as a month which increases their pension by tens of thousands of dollars. Remember the woman legislator who headed up DNR for several weeks and got a tremendous pension boost. This is the kind of stuff that needs to be stopped. Also, nobody should be able to receive 85% of their slary. It is unsustainable.


  13. - Raising Kane - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 1:33 pm:

    bdreedle, you make some good points and I think it is Carol Ronan that you are talking about. She left the Senate, went to work for Blago for a few months and almost doubled her pension. That kind of stuff needs to stop.

    As for legislators getting 85% of their pay when they retire. I agree there too….but they don’t get Social Security. I think instead of the 4% employees pay, they pay 11.5% The state is supposed to pay into the pension system an equal amount that they would have paid into SS. I think we should stop that and just have them pay into SS and make their pension system the same as regular state employees. Of course, that will cost the state more upfront because they will have to pay SS, they wont be able to take holidays or skip payments. But it lessens the state liability.


  14. - Repulsed at this Whole Thing - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 3:19 pm:

    Pensions for legislators………….well, I guess. But make them wait till they’re 67—–I guess they hope some of these career teachers will die before they collect. Perhaps the same rules should apply? But their pensions are the least of worries. Free health insurance and all the other perks, none of which teachers get!


  15. - Repulsed at this Whole Thing - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 3:23 pm:

    To Raising Kane

    Hold on——–you have no problem with legislators getting 85% of their pay at retirement…………they get no social security…………Teachers at the very most get 75% of their last 4 year average and get no social security. Why should THAT be a problem if it’s ok for legislators to get 85%?


  16. - Retired Non-Union Guy - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 3:36 pm:

    Confused @ 1:03,

    Re armed forces 20 or nothing, that is an old rule. A while back it changed to vesting at 8 years, just like private sector rules. I urged a friend with 10 years military service under the old rules to get a fed job for 1 year so he could pick up his ten years (it’s transferable to any GS title) and get a pension …


  17. - Flan - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 7:45 pm:

    Ever look at the comparable pensions between regular state employees and the General Assembly? GA lock in retirement benefits quickly. They max out benefits after 20 years at 80% of their very healthy salaries, while state workers max out their benefits after 45 years at 75% of their much less salary, not that many last 45 years. Let the Assembly share regular worker retirement and watch the debt shrink.


  18. - slowburn - Wednesday, Apr 25, 12 @ 8:22 pm:

    Note*** they recieve 85% after only 20 years of service. (not too shabby) Of course there seems to be no proposal for cutting thier benefits.
    BIG SURPRISE!!!!! It will be challenged in court obviously, but perhaps we should still be concerned when the highest office in this corrupt state and our legislators will knowingly propose, and possibly pass legislation they know to be unconstitutional, are the courts still legit?


Sorry, comments for this post are now closed.


* Question of the day
* Group threatens suit over Senate tax hike
* *** UPDATED x1 *** Andersson warns of GOP revolt
* HDems examining Senate's plan, not their own
* IMA urges veto of Senate's workers' comp reform bill
* You gotta be kidding me
* Helping the medicine go down
* Yeah, this will help
* *** LIVE *** Session coverage
* SUBSCRIBERS ONLY - Today's edition of Capitol Fax (use all CAPS in password)
* Good morning!
* Pritzker attacks Rauner property tax freeze as "political stunt," outlines his own idea
* Yesterday's stories

Support CapitolFax.com
Visit our advertisers...

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............

...............
<


Loading


* All options remain on table as budget talks con.....
* House Dems dissect budget, tax hike; budget dir.....
* House Dems dissect budget, tax hike; budget dir.....


* Illinois House continues debate over income tax increase
* House Democrats meet, discuss potential tax increase
* House Democrats meet, discuss potential tax increase
* Chicago says teen birth rates in city continue to fall
* Wreath-laying to honor servicemen at Chicago park
* 29-year-old Chicago-area man slain in Janesville, Wisconsin
* Indiana court takes up Lake Michigan property rights case
* Illinois State University cybersecurity program gets $3M
* AARP seeks senior community builders for awards
* U of Illinois trustees' retreat to address free speech

* Odds against Springfield casino after amendment blocked
* All options remain on table as budget talks continue
* Illinois farmers may soon be growing industrial hemp
* U of Illinois trustees' retreat to address free speech
* Big retirement payouts tiny part of big pension mess
* Big pensions tiny part of big pension mess
* Senate approves workers' comp changes
* Push for downtown Springfield casino taking shape
* Push for Springfield casino taking shape
* Push for smaller Springfield casino taking shape

* Like our roundup? Share it around.
* The place where media pain hurts most: Springfield
* For the GOP, it's all about the Benjamins
* Online lender Avant's reboot still hasn't yielded profit
* Mike Keiser knows where golf is alive and well. (It's not Illinois)


* 2 wounded in Archer Heights shooting
* Police warn of armed robberies in Lincoln Park, Old Town
* Man wounded in South Side shooting
* 2-year-old girl struck by car, critically injured in Englewood
* Georgia Nicols horoscopes for May 29, 2017
* Dear Abby: Co-worker accuses me of a perfume crime
* 21-year-old man shot in Washington Park alley
* Trump eyes White House overhaul, outside lawyers and PR team
* House Dems dissect budget, tax hike; budget director vows Rauner veto
* 52-year-old man shot during unincorporated McHenry home invasion


* All aboard: Joliet Rocket steamin' into town
* Cheap out: Five fun things to do for free
* Quigley says Russia probe is 'in its infancy'
* Chicago in epicenter of charter school teacher contract disputes
* Boy, 15, fatally shot, 6 others wounded in Sunday shootings
* Toddler injured in South Side crash
* North Korea fires apparent Scud-type missile into waters off Japan
* Muslims in Portland thank community, raise money for families of 'heroes' who defended young women
* Jon Lester frustrated after his start in 9-4 loss to Dodgers: 'Just wasted a whole day'
* Navy parachutist dies during demonstration over Hudson River


» Illinois Budget Fight Could Affect 2018 Elections
» New Lawsuit Accuses Imprisoned Former Speaker Of Sex Assault
» 17-Month Old Semaj Crosby’s Death Linked To Systemic, Family Failures
» 17-Month-Old Semaj Crosby’s Death Linked To Systemic, Family Failures
» Senate Passes Workers' Compensation Bills — Most Republicans Reject It
» State Week: Tax Hike Getting Cold Shoulder
» Popular Music Store Finds New Home On Navy Pier
» For West Side Students, Playing Outside Is Protesting Against Gun Violence
» Offline And On Paper: Chicago Teens Make Zines In An Ephemeral World
» Judge Refuses To Dismiss Murder Case Against Chicago Cop Who Shot Laquan McDonald


* Odds against Springfield casino after amendment blocked
* All options remain on table as budget talks continue
* Illinois farmers may soon be growing industrial hemp
* Our View: Remember the reason for Memorial Day
* Responsible Budget Coalition: Illinois needs revenue to thrive
* George Will: How to restore American self-reliance
* U of Illinois trustees' retreat to address free speech
* Bernard Schoenburg: Lawmakers taking heat, but is a charity announcement so bad?
* Big retirement payouts tiny part of big pension mess
* Statehouse Insider: Seems like we've been this way before


* Reader photo: Splish splash
* Beardstown Class of 2017 small, competitive
* Those Who Served: Richard Underwood
* Police Beat
* Kind stranger helps Granite City soldier come home for Memorial Day
* Man missing from Winchester may be suffering from psychotic episodes, police say
* She's 26 and part of a milestone in marathon baseball history
* Clinton man charged after train collides with truck on tracks
* Rettig, Smith aid title bid at nationals
* Late slipups cost Illini the lead at NCAA Championships


* Navy parachutist dies during demonstration over Hudson River
* LEADING OFF: Trout gets checked, Price makes season debut
* Dillon earns 1st win at Coca-Cola 600
* Kushner's Russia ties questioned as Trump cites media 'lies'
* The Latest: Trump says he favors more money for health care

* Protesters continue die-in at US Rep. Rand...
* Jim Walz Will Challenge Randy Hultgren for...
* PHOTOS: Protesters stage die-in at Randy H...
* US Rep. Randy Hultgren's office the scene ...
* Second Democrat announces bid to unseat Hu...
* Sweet: Hultgren, Roskam, Kinzinger avoid b...
* Local Republicans, Democrats praise appoin...
* Dems shift financial debate to spotlight T...
* Batavia resident announces candidacy for 1...
* Teacher raised in Yorkville running agains...

* Trump says he favors more money for health......
* Durbin: GOP Should Work With Dems to Save ......

* 'Inexcusable:' Durbin, Duckworth slam HUD ......

* Memorial Day; ‘yea’ or ‘nae’ for those who do their military service?
* A remarkably clear explanation of Illinois public pension issues.
* Distractions.
* Democracy in Chicago? It’s complicated.
* The Walgreen's on 95th & King Drive is closing
* Volunteers Needed For Windy City RibFest Beer Tents
* Broadway & Wilson Payless Shoesource To Close
* Fresh Harvest Market Opening Soon?
* Pivot Arts Festival: 10 Days of Innovative Performances In Uptown & Edgewater
* Sheridan Park's Dick Uyvari Honored With a Memorial Bowling Tournament On Saturday, June 3rd


* Illinois Awarded Funds to Offer Advanced Training on Detecting Impaired Driving
* Illinois EPA Announces Upcoming Household Hazardous Waste Collection Events
* IEMA Highlights Emergency Preparedness for People with Access and Functional Needs in May - Ready Illinois website offers preparedness tips for people, caregivers
* First Lady Launches Illinois Family Connects
* Governor and Lt. Governor Unveil 2016 Journal of Local Government Shared Service Best Practices

  
* No more Moto Z2 Play question marks after this, and all the E4 specs are also leaked
* OPPO R11 leak has Plus, specs and cardboard cut-out models
* ARM debuts Cortex-A55, Cortex-A75 and Mali-G72 GPU
* Dual-camera on the front, dual-camera on the back, it’s the Gionee S10
* 24 hours with the HTC U11
* Thanks, Ookla: Speedtest now on Windows 10 Mobile
* LG V30 leaks show one potential vision with a Priv-ish Second Screen

* Hansen fans career-high 15 for Kannapolis
* Sox bats back Gonzalez's perfecto bid
* Gonzalez gives 'mates 'perfect' thoughts
* Gonzalez gives mates 'perfect' thoughts
* Gonzalez retires first 18 Tigers in Sox win
* White Sox call on Holmberg vs. Boston, Price
* Abreu eager to serve as mentor to Robert


Main Menu
Home
Illinois
YouTube
Pundit rankings
Obama
Subscriber Content
Durbin
Burris
Blagojevich Trial
Advertising
Updated Posts
Polls

Archives
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004

Blog*Spot Archives
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005

Syndication

RSS Feed 2.0
Comments RSS 2.0
WordPress




Hosted by MCS SUBSCRIBE to Capitol Fax Advertise Here Mobile Version Contact Rich Miller