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New Senate concealed carry “compromise” surfaces

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* I’m not so sure that this “compromise” concealed carry bill is gonna be all it’s cracked up to be…

The House has already passed a bill, and the Senate may yet take it up. But State Sen. Kwame Raoul (D-Chicago) says he is working on another compromise which, he says, combines the best of the House bill and a stalled Senate bill.

“There were some good things from my perspective in the House bill, that was not in my bill. So I will add those,” Raoul said.

Raoul said he would take out language allowing police to object to a concealed-carry applicant based on “moral character” and add a House provision listing places where no weapons would be allowed.

Though Senate President John Cullerton does not like the House bill, he says “We’re gonna send both bills to Executive Committee and see what happens.”

The new amendment has surfaced and can be read by clicking here. Tell us what you see in comments.

Keep a close eye on our live coverage post for all updates. Live BlueRoomStream.com video will be here. Senate Exec convenes at 10:50 this morning.

posted by Rich Miller
Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 10:21 am

Comments

Preemption limited to regulation and licensing of concealed firearms.

Comment by RSW Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 10:32 am
Strike “concealed” from my comments.

Comment by RSW Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 10:35 am
I am not certain what would be legal and illegal in Chicago with respect to carrying firearms. It looks like I could get a carry license, but still subject to home rule ordinances on the type of handgun I could carry.

Also, no restaurant carry if they sell alcohol.

Comment by mjrothjr Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 10:36 am
“The regulation and licensing of the carrying of firearms are exclusive powers and functions of the State.”

Comment by RSW Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 10:39 am
As the Illinois House Democratic Legal staff warned back in February, the absence of a concealed carry law will essentially open the floodgates in favor of concealed carry advocates and the NRA / ISRA types.

Rich reported on this back on February.

And while Sen. Cullerton may disagree, one must wonder what will happen to ordinary citizens during the period between June 9th - whatever date local areas pass their own concealed carry laws.

Should the legislature fail to pass a statewide conceal carry law and simply hand the job off to local leadership, it would create needless confusion as well as redundant and unnecessary litigation on local levels.

It seems impossible all 202 home rule areas could draft, debate, consider, vote and implement their own concealed carry laws by June 9th - except perhaps Springfield since they started the discussion a few weeks ago.

The legislature has had months, if not years, to address this.

Do your job. Please.

Comment by Formerly Known As... Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 10:40 am
Gun registration is a local function. You can have a conceal carry permit and travel anywhere you want. But if you live in a town with a registration ordinance, you need to register your weapon locally. I don’t see how this is a conflict at all. The “200 local control areas” argument only makes sense on the conceal carry issue, but not for registration. Registration is not for people passing through - it is for residents of a specific area. That’s what home rule is all about.

I find it ironic that the gun rights advocates are against local control in this context.

Comment by siriusly Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 10:46 am
The Restaurant thing is pretty troubling. With the way it is written you stop at Red Robbin or Pizza hut with your kids your treated as if you walked into the neighborhood tap. There is already clear language about not carrying concealed weapons under the influence in his bill.

I hope they kill it.

If cullerton really wants “his” bill to carry through he needs to limit his changes to just the scope of Preemption then he might have a claim to some reasonableness.

Comment by Mason born Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 10:57 am
Siri - I’m may be dense, but just what good does it do to register your firearm? I mean I had to go through a background check to get my FOID. I also went through a national check when I bought the gun. Plus the wait. If I need to buy ammo, I show the card again. So, how does registering a gun help law enforcement? Make us all safer?

Comment by Fan Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 10:57 am
siriusly

Just a question on that line. If you are passing through with an Unregistered Handgun (because you aren’t a resident) how is that handled?

Comment by Mason born Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 10:59 am
Local ordinances can get out of control and ban commonly owned weapons or say only 15lb handguns are legal. Then what? 220 different laws on handguns! Stop the madness and pass the house bill!!!!

Comment by William K Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 11:04 am
Earlier this year we had a non-resident arrested in chicago for not having his guns registered. The charges were eventially dropped but not till he got a lawyer.

Thats part of the problem

Comment by Todd Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 11:07 am
>>>>> I find it ironic that the gun rights advocates are against local control in this context.

Two words:
Chicago

Comment by John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 11:09 am
What a stupid amendment. You can carry your firearm to the casino in East St. Louis, but you can’t take it in or leave it in your car. You can drive to Springfield but don’t stop anywhere. The amendment is a total joke! It’s a way of meeting the requirement but also not doing anything constructive.

Comment by The Ghost in the Darkness Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 11:11 am
Registration? Whos buisness is it what I as a free man own? Stop thinking like a socialist to solve problems. Taking freedoms does nothing. I for one will not sacrifice freedoms for persieved safety and end up with neither!

Comment by William K Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 11:12 am
I guess we’ll see whether Madigan or Cullerton is more powerful.

Comment by logic not emotion Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 11:19 am
Raoul keeps backtracking, it’s clear he realizes none of his drafts have the support of the House bill which was passed.

The problem with letting home rule entities have their own gun laws (even if they can’t have their own carry laws)is that they are still free to require expensive registration, require permits to possess (not carry) guns and ammunition separate from the FOID system as Chicago already does, and regulate the types of guns allowed. Chicago, for example, bans laser sights for some reason. This would make anyone with a carry license a criminal if they have one of the popular handguns with a built-in laser sight as their carry weapon. They also ban magazines with a capacity larger than 12 rounds, which makes a great many more popular carry firearms illegal in Chicago. Even a magazine that holds fewer rounds than that is illegal if it extends beyond the grip. And this is just the tip of the iceberg with regard to the idiocy of Chicago’s gun laws, if I removed the wooden stock from my Ruger 10/22 and replaced it with a synthetic stock that has a pistol grip it magically transforms into an illegal “assault weapon” according to the City of Chicago.

One law for the whole state is the only reasonable standard.

Comment by Chicago Gunowner Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 11:20 am
@siriusly - the reason there should be no local control is that by definition carry guns are portable and will travel to multiple home rule communities. This isn’t like a zoning law or issuing liquor licenses.

Comment by Chicago Gunowner Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 11:24 am
>>>>>> Chicago, for example, bans laser sights for some reason.

Because they make the gun “too accurate” (utter BS, BTW).
You should have seen Ald. Burke arguing the point, trying to paint someone with a laser pointer from across the council chambers, what a shaky clown, making big spastic circles.

Comment by John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 11:35 am
siriusly

Imagine an ordinance saying it is illegal to possess firearms without a minimum of two safety features outside the home. This would ban all revolvers all Glocks and almost all Semi-Automatics.

Comment by Mason born Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 11:50 am
==Registration? Whos buisness is it what I as a free man own?==

There are a lot of things you can’t own without some sort of registration.

Comment by Demoralized Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 12:30 pm
Such as?

Comment by GTX63 Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 12:34 pm
===Such as?===

A house. A business. A car.

Comment by 47th Ward Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 12:51 pm
I’m not guaranteed the right to any of those. Anything else?

Comment by GTX63 Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 1:16 pm
===I’m not guaranteed the right to any of those.===

It’s pointless to argue with you if you’re that confused about the blessings of liberty.

Good day sir.

Comment by 47th Ward Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 1:26 pm
@ 47th Ward: Although I totally understand and agree with your comment that many items we own are “registered”; but requiring a FOID card for every gun owner or potential gun owner is a form of registration. It is unnecesary and redundant for each and every gun owned by a FOID card holder to be registered. Frankly, no matter what ALL THE GUNS IN THE STATE WILL NEVER BE REGISTERED BECAUSE THE CRIMINALS AREN’T GOING TO GET FOID CARDS OR REGISTER THEIR GUNS!!!

Comment by Both Sides Now Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 1:35 pm
–Registration? Whos buisness is it what I as a free man own?–

Wouldn’t you want it registered in case of theft or dispute of ownership? What’s your concern, exactly?

Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 1:38 pm
===ALL THE GUNS IN THE STATE WILL NEVER BE REGISTERED BECAUSE THE CRIMINALS AREN’T GOING TO GET FOID CARDS OR REGISTER THEIR GUNS!!!===

Then those are the guns we can confiscate and melt into scrap.

And please don’t use all caps. Ever. Unless you want people to think you’re crazy.

Comment by 47th Ward Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 1:45 pm
A house. A business. A car.

You dont have to register a car to own it. You do however if you wish to drive it on state supported highways.

Comment by SO IL M Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 1:59 pm
There is a big difference in listing something on an insurance policy, such as many do with jewelry and other valuables, and registering it with the State, or Local Government.

Comment by SO IL M Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:02 pm
No slight was intended 47th. I own a business, real estate and vehicles. I’m not confused about my liberty. I understand rights and responsibilities as well as privilege. Just curious as to how you define them?

Comment by GTX63 Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:02 pm
@Todd; 11:07 bingo !!!! and for any of you that have traveled abroad (with firearms) good luck through Dulles, Kennedy, Lagaurdia, Reagan just the same cluster **** at a grander scale as not having reemption !!! OK whats Ohares laws then Dulles or Atlanta, Dallas FW no maybe Reagan then Heathrow or Amsterdam no maybe Melbourne sheesh and then come home and have your firearms handled like baby carriages and golf clubs at OHare now theres responsible safe oversight !!! LOL

Comment by railrat Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:03 pm
wordslinger….my post at 2:02 was a response to your 1:38 post. My copy and paste didnt work obviously. Sorry about that.

Comment by SO IL M Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:06 pm
I don’t believe Sen Exec just knocked down SB 2193.

Comment by Ken_in_Aurora Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:20 pm
@GTX:

You need to register or get permits for lots of things that are “liberties.” You need permits sometimes to exercise you right of free speech, for example. Why people hold out the 2nd Amendment as some “special” case that somehow shouldn’t be subject to restrictions is beyond me. There isn’t one thing in the Constitution that isn’t subject to some sort of restriction. The 2nd Amendment is no different.

Comment by Demoralized Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:22 pm
Ken

Why are you surprised?? Raouls bill will pass committee and either be stopped before a vote or killed in House. The parties for NRA, GSL, and ISRA may be neutral on Phelps bill but they are adamant about opposing Raouls bill.

Comment by Mason born Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:23 pm
–I don’t believe Sen Exec just knocked down SB 2193. –

Ken, Cullerton sure dropped a lot of hints that it would happen.

Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:24 pm
Wordslinger

I wonder though. Since he stopped it in committee i wonder if that meant he was afraid he couldn’t stop it on floor? It would seem to bolster his chosen (Raoul’s) bill if the house one was defeated by the full senate.

Comment by Mason born Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:26 pm
It is unfortunate to see some of the comments by some pro-posters here. Liberty does not mean absolute unfettered freedom to do what you want with a weapon. Weapon ownership and use can be, and has been, regulated.

Registration is critical if we are to report when a weapon we own is lost or stolen.

Comment by Mongo Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:28 pm
–The parties for NRA, GSL, and ISRA may be neutral on Phelps bill but they are adamant about opposing Raouls bill.–

Again, I don’t know who that’s for. The idea that those guys would get “neutral” in late May on the only bill that mandates statewide conceal carry and has passed the House is absurd, and a little insulting to anyone whose synapses are firing.

What’s the last bill that had the word “gun” in it that those guys were ever “neutral” about?

Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:28 pm
Mongo

How does no registration prevent me from reporting a firearm stolen?? When it happened to my father it didn’t stop the sheriff from taking the police report.

Comment by Mason born Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:29 pm
Wordslinger

–Again, I don’t know who that’s for.–

Let me rephrase those parties will lobby hard to stop the Raoul bill. Even though they haven’t opposed the phelps bill.

Comment by Mason born Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:30 pm
“Ken, Cullerton sure dropped a lot of hints that it would happen.”

IMO he had an ethical responsibility to put it to a floor vote. Of course, I know that’s not how politics work here in IL, but c’mon - it had 82 votes in the house!

Comment by Ken_in_Aurora Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:36 pm
It looks more and more all the time like no law will be passed and signed by June 9. And really, why would Cullerton pass one with preemption when he believes no bill and Local Ordinances is preferable to that happening.

Comment by SO IL M Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:41 pm
bye bye Springfield Armory, Armalite, DSA, Rock River, Krebs, Knapp etc. and the est. 20,000 + employees, good ‘ole business friendly Illinois !? hoping coller heads prevail before Friday 2401hrs…

Comment by railrat Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:41 pm
Registration is critical if we are to report when a weapon we own is lost or stolen

No its not. Have you ever had a TV stolen or jewelry stolen during a burglary? Were they registered?

Comment by SO IL M Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:43 pm
==Of course, I know that’s not how politics work here in IL==

Newsflash - that’s not how politics works anywhere.

Comment by Demoralized Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:45 pm
>>>> that’s not how politics works anywhere.

Like assigning all the gun bills to a fictional committee that has no members and never meets?

I wonder how many other states do that?

Comment by John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:49 pm
Cullerton one step closer to taking credit/blame for “sending IL over the cliff.” Has he managed to convince himself that’ll be OK yet?

It will be interesting to see how many votes Raoul gets on the floor of the Senate. I’ve given up trying to make predictions. I’m just trying to hang on and not fall out of the handbasket at this point.
WHEEEEE!

Comment by Don Gwinn Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:50 pm
Registration helps accurately identify the weapon that was stolen. You don’t walk in and just say my blue car was stolen. You have a VIN, a registration, and so forth. Otherwise identification becomes a he said/he said issue.

Comment by Mongo Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:52 pm
“Newsflash - that’s not how politics works anywhere.”

Well, duh. That doesn’t mean it’s right or ethical. One of the main reasons I would never get directly involved in politics, along with those pics of me from the 1981 newsroom holiday party…

Comment by Ken_in_Aurora Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:53 pm
@Mongo - what prevents me from reporting a lost or stolen weapon without registration?

Comment by Chicago Gunowner Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:53 pm
So Cullerton lied when he said he’d let the House bill have a vote on the floor?

Comment by Chicago Gunowner Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:55 pm
Mongo

I have that info on every weapon i own in 2 places and my insurance agent. Yet not one of them is registered. (in Rural IL not required) Something tells me the receipts i keep on file pretty much ends the he said crap.

Comment by Mason born Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:57 pm
I don’t think registration should necessarily be required but I also have no problem with it. But then again I’m not paranoid.

Comment by Demoralized Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 2:59 pm
“So Cullerton lied when he said he’d let the House bill have a vote on the floor?”

What a shock, I know.

Comment by Ken_in_Aurora Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 3:12 pm
In the article above Cullerton says he would send both bills to the exec comm. Did he ever say publicly that both bills would be heard on the floor?

Comment by boat captain Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 3:22 pm
House burns down? Town floods? Town hit by tornado? Mason I don’t see the problem with an official registration version of your notes, records, and so forth.

I do agree with you that those records are necessary. You and many others are clearly responsible owners, respecting the responsibility that comes with your right.

Comment by Mongo Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 3:51 pm
“Registration is critical if we are to report when a weapon we own is lost or stolen.”

That’s just silly. I have all my gun serial numbers recorded. If stolen, I can easily report the needed information to the police and would. How does registration aid this process? It doesn’t.

Comment by wishbone Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 4:35 pm
Mongo @ 3:51 pm:

Still don’t see the need for the government to know what I have. I have one hard copy at home and one in the lock box at the bank.

Comment by RNUG Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 5:48 pm
Once Raoul and Cullerton realize there’s not enough support for Raoul’s bill will they let the Senate vote on the Hose bill?

Comment by Chicago Gunowner Tuesday, May 28, 13 @ 8:22 pm