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* All that’s needed now is Gov. Pat Quinn’s signature…

The state House Friday voted 89-28 to approve a compromise gun deal that preserves local gun laws, including Chicago and Cook County’s bans on assault weapons, and keeps gun owners from carrying their loaded weapons on public trains and buses.

But it hands gun owners a potent new right that would end the state’s last-in-the-nation prohibition on concealed carry and, in the eyes of gun-rights advocates, put a dent in the state’s crime rates. […]

The House’s action came after the Senate voted 45-12, with one voting present.

Quinn has kept his intentions about concealed-carry close to the vest. On Friday, as the legislation took a fast-track path through the Senate and House, his administration expressed neutrality toward the bill.

Asked whether he’d sign it, spokeswoman Brooke Anderson would say only, “The governor will review the bill once it reaches his desk.”

Think he’ll sign it?

posted by Rich Miller
Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:31 pm

Comments

Nope

Comment by OneMan Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:34 pm
What happens if he doesn’t? He has vowed in the past to veto CC bills.

Comment by downstater Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:34 pm
If he doesn’t, he gets a headline.

Comment by Anonymous Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:37 pm
Magic 8 Ball says: “Outlook not so good.”

I doubt he signs it cleanly as is. Too much pressure for an A/V, which starts the whole process over.

I bet whatever he does, he does it on Sunday.

Comment by 47th Ward Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:38 pm
Looks doable. Way to go. And given how hot this issue has been in evolving into the bill’s creation, it should have a GLOW to it when it plops on the Governor’s Desk! But those are pretty solid majorities and my sense is that Pat Quinn MAY slightly tinker with it on a line here or there, but in the end will sign off on this power-packed, soon-to-be new Law with massive implications to one’s safety, security–and danger, the whole truth be told–in daily life throughout Illinois…!

Comment by Just The Way It Is One Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:43 pm
Quinn is powerless at this point.

Comment by Mr. Wonderful Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:44 pm
I think Quinn has to sign the bill. The 7th Circuit is forcing him to do it. If he appeals, and SCOTUS takes the case and he loses, its a horrible disaster for him because it will look like an unforced error. If Lisa wins… well, the case will still be Madigan v. NRA.

Comment by Gordon L Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:44 pm
this is as good as it gets for either side. he signs it.

Comment by Amalia Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:46 pm
Sits on it for 60 days and 1 second, permitting it to go into effect without his signature on it.

Comment by Lt. Guv Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:47 pm
I think he will sign it.

Comment by Demoralized Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:49 pm
Um, I don’t know. Quinn seems to like vetoing things with tons of support that will get overrided. My question is if Quinn does indeed veto this bill, does the federal court extend the deadline until there is an override attempt?

Comment by Precinct Captain Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:49 pm
Quinn can’t do anything at this point. The House has the votes to override a veto if he tries it. He either signs it now, or it becomes law in 60 days if he doesn’t sign it.

Comment by Mobile Guru Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:50 pm
The 7th Circuit is more or less forcing him to sign the bill. However, I would expect some minor changes. With the vote margins in both the House and Senate I would not think that they could be too major unless he wants an override for political reasons.

Comment by Small Town Taxpayer Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:51 pm
Minor changes? Sorry, the governor doesn’t get to make changes. He either signs it as is or not. The bill has already passed the GA. There are no changes that could be made at this point.

Comment by Mobile Guru Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:53 pm
@Mobile Guru
http://www.ilga.gov/commission/lrb/conmain.htm

Take a quick read, it’s the Illinois Constitution. The governor can make amendatory changes.

Comment by Precinct Captain Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:55 pm
Based on his ideological history and public statements, I don’t see him doing it, meaning I would think he’d let it become law without his signature. However, if he waited the entire 60 days, the June 9 deadline is still in place, meaning that we’d have FOID carry until the bill became effective.

I do see him choosing a course of action that would attempt to put Lisa in the worst possible light, perhaps waiting until Lisa’s appeal deadline passes to force her to appeal, or signing the bill and put out a press release claiming that he saved us from lawlessness.

Comment by Hedley Lamarr Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:55 pm
==Sorry, the governor doesn’t get to make changes. He either signs it as is or not. The bill has already passed the GA. There are no changes that could be made at this point. ==

Ever heard of an Amendatory Veto?

Comment by Demoralized Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:57 pm
Any veto will likely be overturned.

Comment by walkinfool Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:57 pm
Maybe he will have a poll done to decide whether to sign or not. Tongue in cheek.

Comment by FormerParatrooper Friday, May 31, 13 @ 4:59 pm
He wont be able to resist mucking around with it with an AV. I am afraid it will be something over the top,for popular appeal. Not something workable that makes sense on a policy basis.

Comment by Langhorne Friday, May 31, 13 @ 5:15 pm
Quinn loves drama; I expect him to drag this out.

Comment by Wensicia Friday, May 31, 13 @ 5:22 pm
he lets it sit for angst but realizes he dont sign he dont win next cycle for sure !!! and the time in between if he can he makes AG appear non factor…..

Comment by railrat Friday, May 31, 13 @ 5:23 pm
Expect the usual from this governor.

He provided zero leadership through the process. Now he will do try to score points with a futile veto.

The guy is irrelevant. Everybody knows it.

Comment by HenryVK Friday, May 31, 13 @ 5:24 pm
Quinn will:

Sign it
Not sign it
veto it
not veto it
amend it
not amend it
all of the above
none of the above
something else

There, I pretty much have that covered. Who knows? He has been absent during this whole process - if he has said anything substantive, or had his floor leaders involved (stop laughing) I am not aware of it.

Comment by dupage dan Friday, May 31, 13 @ 5:34 pm
I don’t know how Cullerton voted but that he allowed the bill as written to be voted on, despite his clear abhorrence of the whole thing, is comendable. He has his beliefs but understands political reality. That is a quality Quinn doesn’t have.

Comment by dupage dan Friday, May 31, 13 @ 5:36 pm
I suspect he will AV to score some perceived political points for the Dem primary and to direct questions to the attorney general as to her position on the legislation and appealing the 7th circuit position.

But the AV will be overridden lickety split.

That’s it for conceal carry for now — until the NRA comes back for more next time, lol.

Comment by wordslinger Friday, May 31, 13 @ 5:43 pm
I’ve heard (SPECULATION ALERT) the Gov’s Mansion is booked through next week in expectation of an overtime session.

Comment by Mr. Jim Lahey Friday, May 31, 13 @ 5:48 pm
Expect ads from Quinn saying that he vetoed CC, while Lisa refused to take it to the Supreme Court.

Again, typical of the gov.

Comment by HenryVK Friday, May 31, 13 @ 5:48 pm
If Quinn vetoes, then we have open carry on June 9th. He won’t veto.
But he can’t resist railing against this unsafe law that will endanger “millions.” And he can’t resist tinkering, making changes with an AV. Look for a major AV rewrite that sends the state into the courts again.

Comment by Motambe Friday, May 31, 13 @ 5:52 pm
One note — if there is a veto, expect the parties to be back before the 7th Circuit asking for more time.

If there is a veto and the court refuses, I do wonder if the bill loses any of the support. Does the entire deal fall through? Do they still have the numbers?

Comment by HenryVK Friday, May 31, 13 @ 5:56 pm
Isn’t it veto-proof?

Comment by Anonymous Friday, May 31, 13 @ 6:03 pm
I can’t imagine he could be any less popular downstate…unless he veto’s that bill. Signing the bill wont do much for him either. I think he’s hoping for some of the gun safety/restrictions bills to reach his desk. Oh by the way…the Cubs have 5 straight

Comment by Dozer Friday, May 31, 13 @ 6:06 pm
“Isn’t it veto-proof?”

That wouldn’t matter to Quinn.
Quinn doesn’t care about getting a good bill.
He cares about defeating Lisa.

Comment by HenryVK Friday, May 31, 13 @ 6:09 pm
45-12 and 89-28 is as veto-proof as it gets. Quinn may well veto it either outright or an amendatory veto but it will be easily overridden.

Comment by Chicago Gunowner Friday, May 31, 13 @ 6:14 pm
Maybe he’ll “sweeten” it and waive the $150 for seniors? :p

Comment by Chicago Gunowner Friday, May 31, 13 @ 6:16 pm
Gun owner - Interesting thought. Maybe, he can do a program like King Rod did. Those Seniors that pack heat ride for free. And, it will need a slogan, so I offer this…”show your gun, ride for fun!”

Comment by Fan Friday, May 31, 13 @ 6:26 pm
Tough spot: If he does sign it, I don’t see it helping his primary chances. If he doesn’t - and assuming a miracle happens and he wins the primary - he loses reelection.

Comment by The Muse Friday, May 31, 13 @ 6:31 pm
“show your gun”

Anybody remember SNL’s ’show us your guns” spot back in the day?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyMsZsL9Umo

Comment by Wensicia Friday, May 31, 13 @ 6:39 pm
LOL, Chicago Gunowner!

Comment by dupage dan Friday, May 31, 13 @ 6:40 pm
Chicago is the problem. People need the ability to defend themselves from gang and cartel infested Chicago, not Effingham. Incredible stupidity and ignorance in the GA.

Comment by Anonymous Friday, May 31, 13 @ 7:09 pm
If he uses the AV, doesn’t it need concurrence again?

Comment by John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt Friday, May 31, 13 @ 7:11 pm
@Wensicia: yes! I keep mentioning that and wondered if anyone else remembered that awesome sketch video.

Comment by Amalia Friday, May 31, 13 @ 7:14 pm
He signs it, unless he already has plans for a special session before the 9th.

But at this point the deal is done.

Comment by Todd Friday, May 31, 13 @ 7:35 pm
Good job Todd Thank you!!

Comment by A Citizen Friday, May 31, 13 @ 7:44 pm
If he doesn’t sign it before June 9, will Ilinoisl then have Constitutional Carry? The current law will be vacated and the new law will not have been signed.

Comment by downstater Friday, May 31, 13 @ 7:53 pm
Hmmmm … I can see a “Squeezy the Pistol Python” in our future …

Comment by transplant Friday, May 31, 13 @ 8:10 pm
I need to tip my hat to Todd today. I said in January that he’d never get shall issue and preemption. He got both. Well played sir, you were right and I was wrong.

Comment by 47th Ward Friday, May 31, 13 @ 9:22 pm
Maybe he will amend it by reducing the fee for Senior Citizens to $50; it will take several months to get this whole process set up, so if I wait for a couple of months, I will qualify for the discount. After all, I’ve waited all my life for this….

Comment by downstate commissioner Friday, May 31, 13 @ 9:29 pm
Todd and Lou Lang are the two victors on the hot-button issues this session.

Comment by reformer Friday, May 31, 13 @ 9:30 pm
–I need to tip my hat to Todd today. I said in January that he’d never get shall issue and preemption. He got both. Well played sir, you were right and I was wrong.–

Silence is golden, apparently. And the ISRA is the most successful “neutral” since Switzerland.

Comment by wordslinger Friday, May 31, 13 @ 9:41 pm
His best move may be to do nothing. On June 9th the federal district courts will start the process of implementing the 7th circuit decision. He can watch how that plays out, perhaps forcing an appeal, and seeing how home rule units react, before making a decision.

Comment by Bigtwich Friday, May 31, 13 @ 9:53 pm
He will be pressured into signing it

Comment by Bill K Saturday, Jun 1, 13 @ 5:38 am
Thank you 47 & Word

Comment by Todd Saturday, Jun 1, 13 @ 6:47 am
Todd V. and Brandon Phelps both deserve our gratitude for their determination and having the backbone to stand up to the Chicago Machine.

Shall issue with statewide preemption are huge. The issue of no carry on public transportation needs to be addressed in what will likely be another expensive court battle.

Comment by KingWalleye Saturday, Jun 1, 13 @ 1:40 pm
While the NRA and ISRA are staying relatively quiet, the NRA has already sent an email stating they see issues with implementation, fees, and other aspects. In addition, other pro-gun groups and individuals may raise challenges. But June 9th is coming..tick, tick, tick.

Comment by CrookCounty60827 Saturday, Jun 1, 13 @ 3:21 pm