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* Gov. Pat Quinn on his veto of legislative salaries…

“There is a principle as old as the Bible, you don’t get your wages until the job is finished.”

Only if you’re working on a piece-rate.

posted by Rich Miller
Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:08 pm

Comments

Perhaps he should veto his own salary as well.

Comment by Charlatan Heston Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:09 pm
Probably referring to the Book of Romans chapter 6 verse 23 . . . “the wages of sin is death” . . hmmmmm, maybe Quinn has some other consequence planned for the legislators??

Comment by East Central Illinois Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:11 pm
At least he didn’t go with “Do Unto Others BEFORE They Do Unto You.”

Comment by Ron Burgundy Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:12 pm
so does that mean the union members that are owed their back pay will get it when they vote Quinn out of office?

Comment by Spliff Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:13 pm
Said it before & it applies again: Ya can’t cure stupid.

- Charlatan Heston -

Agree wholeheartedly. He should send back all his salary since he started his haranguing ‘leadership’ on pension ‘reform’.

Comment by sal-says Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:14 pm
PQ speaking on two things he knows little about, the bible and the realities of Illinois’ working class! You have to forgive PQ for his confusion on this. It’s not like he’s every, at least as an adult, worked an hourly pay or piece rate job. I love it when white collar elites invoke, or try to invoke, middle class blue collar values and realities. They rarely get it right.

Hey Pat, get a job! Better yet lets pay PQ on a piece rate basis. Based on his completion rate I suspect it would a very small paycheck! What do you do when your take home pay won’t take you home?

Comment by Old and In The Way Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:16 pm
And if part of your pay is your pension, you shouldn’t get that apparently even though you have finished your work.

Comment by anon Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:20 pm
Anon
Excuse me Governor but your hypocrisy is showing!

Comment by Old and In The Way Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:22 pm
So Quinn thinks he’s God, now? Last I looked the Gov has no ministerial authority over the General Assembly except to call special sessions.

This may play well, but it would be a lot easier to take if Quinn had been heavily involved all Spring in trying to negotiate pension reform (and concealed carry, for that matter), instead of staying uninvolved until after the session and then throwing bombs at those who, for better or worse, were at least engaged and trying.

Comment by Harry Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:26 pm
OLD and in the Way: Pat Quinn will be soliciting for customers for his property tax appeal business right after the 2014 election is over.

Comment by Nickypiii Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:28 pm
Once commenters get from out of the brass rail mentality, they’ll see the governor just pulled a brilliant move. The nation is laughing at this Governor, this General Assembly and this State. No one outside of this State can believe we haven’t fired every member of the General Assembly and this Governor due to the grave pension problems. Drastic policy conditions call for drastic measures.

Comment by NW IL Democrat Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:28 pm
I agree with NW Dem.

It’s ridiculous to suggest Quinn was likely to gain more friends in the GA as the primary approached, what with everyone on the House side wearing their LM for Governor! buttons and everyone on the Senate side wearing their Anyone But Pat! buttons. That’s a lot of smoke to suggest the GA would sidle up to Pat if only he would “act more gubernatorial.” He has seen the enemy and it ain’t him in his mind. And, this guy is NOT Rod, by any stretch of the imagination.

Comment by LicketySplit Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:36 pm
Quinn did suspend his salary as well.

Comment by Thinkfirst Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:39 pm
===No one outside of this State can believe we haven’t fired every member of the General Assembly and this Governor due to the grave pension problems.===

I think you can get the ILGOP “Fire Madigan” stuff real cheap on eBay …

Frustration? Yep. Lack of movement? Check!

This idea everyone “firing” everyone is just as crazy as Quinn pulling these goofy stunts, and those in My Party unclear what the word “majority rule” means.

Cullerton and Madigan need to sit down, work out the differences and then allow Quinn to play his bit part and sign it.

It needs to pass Constitutional muster, remember.

Deciding to quote the Good Book while failing to lead your people is a bit ironic.

I have yet to read about a passive Bible hero…

Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:44 pm
A lot of CEOs that took their companies to bankruptcy still received their healthy salaries and bonuses - even though I am sure they were hired to turn profits for the company, and not to lead it into bankruptcy.

Lawyers that loose their cases still get paid. And large Wall Street brokerage firms’ managers that went bankrupt and ruined the U.S. economy with their greed, still got their large salaries and bonuses, even after the federal government bailed them out. And auto mechanics that failed to fix a car properly still get paid. Teachers get paid even if some of the kids in their class failed. A baseball player with a big contract that only bats .190 for the season, still gets paid too.

Comment by Joe M Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:47 pm
Just in the nick of time, a Chicago version of Elmer Gantry, posing as Governor….

Comment by Rufus Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:48 pm
I Timothy 5:18

Comment by Bible Thumper Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:51 pm
Gov. Pat is starting to make me nostalgic for Rod…on second thought, maybe not.

Comment by Buster Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:51 pm
NW IL Democrat
Yeah, right! Illinois is the center of the universe and media attention. You need to get out more! I have spent the better part of the last year in La, Ms, Fl, and Al in litigation with big oil and frankly Illinois rarely if ever gets a mention in my travels (130,000 miles last year). As for legislative shenanigans and gubernatorial circus acts Illinois is not much different than any of those states. Check out Jindal and Scott some time! They don’t care about Illinois taxes or pensions my myopic friend they have their own problems. Try and expand your horizons a bit and it will change your perspective on the gravity of this charade.

Comment by Old and In The Way Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:51 pm
And that kind of “hey, it’s business as usual” response is why the nation continues to laugh at Illinois. Sure, everyone still gets paid in various professions. But this is Illinois politics and government. This is the Home of Blago and Ryan and a dysfunctional General Assembly that has the nation — the nation — is suspended amazement and disgust. This is not the time for business as usual. That approach has failed, thus opening the door for Bill Daley and others. The General Assembly can celebrate their conceal carry victory, but if they don’t get down to business on pensions we’ll be concealing and carrying away this state in an ambulance.

Comment by NW IL Democrat Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:52 pm
Who will be the first legislator to challenge this by stepping up and proudly declaring, “You can’t make us address the pension crisis, Gov. Quinn! No one can!”

– MrJM

Comment by MrJM Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:52 pm
Matthew 20:14
New International Version (NIV)
14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you.

And

Romans 4:4
Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation.

and

Deuteronomy 24:15
Pay them their wages each day before sunset, because they are poor and are counting on it. Otherwise they may cry to the Lord against you, and you will be guilty of sin.

Nothing I can find nor recall says “Do not pay them if they do not do what you want”…

Might have missed that day in Sunday School.

Comment by OneMan Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:55 pm
Still would have been more impressed if he had line itemed his own pay, not just stopped taking it.

Comment by OneMan Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:58 pm
James 5:4

For all the merit comp workers and retirees.

Comment by Anon. Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 3:58 pm
–Once commenters get from out of the brass rail mentality, they’ll see the governor just pulled a brilliant move. The nation is laughing at this Governor,–

So he was going for laughs?

Yes, all over the country, people are just entranced by the goings-on of Illinois government and pension legislation.

Unless Quinn starts texting selfies under the name Soy Boy, I doubt the country will sit up and take notice.

Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 4:00 pm
Brilliant short-term political move. That’s why MJM is going along for today.

Long-term impact is questionable for PQ.

Little or nothing to do with actually solving the pension mess.

Comment by walkinfool Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 4:00 pm
This is about Madigan versus Cullerton. Full stop.

No one has the leverage to make either of those two back down - not Pat Quinn, not Bill Daley, not Bruce Rauner, not Kirk Dillard, not Bill Brady and not Dan Rutherford.

Yes, Pat Quinn is a doofus. Film at 11.

But blaming Pat Quinn for the Madigan - Cullerton stalemate would be like blaming Pat Quinn for the Cubs being a lousy baseball team.

Comment by Bill White Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 4:02 pm
The man is a twirling dervish of ineptitude…..spinning feverishly toward well deserved oblivion

Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 4:05 pm
=== The man is a twirling dervish of ineptitude…..spinning feverishly toward well deserved oblivion ===

True. Very true.

However, I very much doubt that any of the other declared candidates: Brady, Rauner, Rutherford, Dillard (semi-declared) or Daley would be much better, if at all better.

Comment by Bill White Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 4:10 pm
Anon-Very appropriate! For merit comp and pensioners in particular.
James 5:4 “Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts.”

Comment by Old and In The Way Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 4:22 pm
Lest we forget, this governor was placed on earth to fix Illinois’ pension mess. It may not be as flashy as Moses leading the Israelites out of bondage, but his leadership style is starting to look like 40 years of wandering in the desert…

Comment by Decaf Coffee Party Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 4:24 pm
I suppose the Tribune will be using the above quote in tomorrow’s editorial on Quinn’s “bold move” to force legislators to get the job done.

Comment by Wensicia Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 4:29 pm
Also Leviticus 19:13 — do not keep back the wages of a hired servant all night until the morning.

Comment by Keyrock Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 4:30 pm
And here I thought Quinn believed in separation of church and state.

Comment by Distant Viewer Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 4:59 pm
@Decaf: “It may not be as flashy as Moses leading the Israelites out of bondage, but his leadership style is starting to look like 40 years of wandering in the desert…”

Classic line of the month! Just wait, forty days and forty nights is next! Start building an Ark…

Comment by Judge Cooked Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 8:48 pm
Channel 20 just said Quinn cited some prior ruling supports his cuts. Anybody know what he’s taking about.

Comment by What now Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 10:14 pm
Ok but when you complete the work you get paid right? what is the backlog of bills right now?
I keep wondering of all the great speeches he’s been given only to adlib his own stuff.
if not, we needs to stop paying a few other salaries.

Comment by frustrated GOP Wednesday, Jul 10, 13 @ 11:18 pm