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posted by Rich Miller
Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:08 pm

Comments

Quinn was much better this time around. Rauner seemed to be rattled.

Comment by Anonymous Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:13 pm
PQ for the win. Warm, positive vibe with substance. Shrill, empty sloganeering and evasiveness from BR.

Comment by heyppanda Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:13 pm
You know who the big loser is?

Mark Batinick.

Just saw his mailer mocking his opponent’s battle against brain tumor.

Durkin, you can forget about that seat, pal.

Comment by Yellow Dog Democrat Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:13 pm
I expected Rauner to improve after the first debate.

I expected too much.

– MrJM

Comment by MrJM Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:15 pm
Quinn got more focused and still had some good lines but he relied less on punch lines and more on facts. Rauner was too angry and was not able to give details about his own company/ies and creating jobs.

Comment by Amalia Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:18 pm
Neither. They’re tired. They’re cranky. They both feel misunderstood. They’re both probably being over-coached by their campaigns and aren’t coming across as real people you’d want to hold the reins of government in a state that’s floundering like ours. Ugh.

Comment by Responsa Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:19 pm
While - AA - had this

===I don’t know that Quinn won, but Rauner clearly lost when he couldn’t name one company that was a winner. Not like that question wasn’t forseeable, too.===

It ain’t no “push”, Rauner blowing that gives it to Quinn by default.

Quinn Crew, if you think you “won”, you did better than a candidate that didn’t know his resume, and squeaked by.

Be honest with yourselves, Quinn Crew. It was the Rauner fail that got you my nod tonight.

Perspective.

Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:24 pm
Quinn. It wasn’t close.

PQ was on message, looked like a leader and pivoted well to damaging points on Rauner. The challenger was locked into a single talking point and looked ridiculous when he failed to offer any examples of job creation in Illinois.

Comment by HCM Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:24 pm
Last point?

Quinn was much better tonight than last debate, but that bar should be easy to clear.

Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:26 pm
man, rauner really went hard to connect hte words pat quinn and failure at every opportunity. he just seemed mean. pq on the other hand seemed a bit more relaxed, smiled more, and just delivered his message better. also, the format of this debate was far better than the prior two. my vote goes to pat quinn.

Comment by Anon Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:26 pm
Gawd, the Rauner inability to name a company he invested in that created jobs in this state was a cringe fest at its worse. Ron Magers pressed Quinn to give a “yes” answer, and Quinn was visibly frustrated at having to repeat his answer of staying with his March budget. Both really negative, but Quinn won this one.

Comment by Lunchbox Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:36 pm
PQ wins tonight, BR was just not on. No big shots by either, neither side hit the walk off. However should make these last 14 days something to watch.

Comment by DuPage Bard Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:37 pm
Rauner lost with because he got called out repeatedly on not being able (how many millions $ in 2 years of TV commercials later) to answer the easy-peasy softball of, “Give us ONE - just ONE!- example of where you created jobs.” Come on! With all his assets and access to capital, if I was running, or gearing up to run, I would have “at least” established some crap company for show that created at least “a” job, so I could point to it. Nada. He couldn’t even be bothered to go through the motions. Loser.

Now, Quinn could have knocked it out of the park by giving a straight answer on taxes. He has nothing to lose on that issue. (consultants, hello?) TV ads and our judicious, unbiased and thoughtful newspapers have tarred and feathered him as the devil beyond repair on that, so what does a straight up answer have to lose at this date? It would have likely caught attention if he looked right into into the camera and said: (1) there is no such thing as permanent, so permanent is as permanent does, let us sincerely hope not; however (2) we are in deep caca at this is precise moment in time and I am currently responsible for the direction we are going, and will do what is best for this state. If that includes fighting to extend the income tax as it currently stands- if it is the only responsible choice- I will not NOT make a false promise against that just to win a TV debate over my responsibilities as chief executive.

Comment by Redux Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:38 pm
After being asked several times, Rauner could not name a single company of his that created jobs. Unbelievable. Quinn won just on that point alone.

Comment by DuPage Mama Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:39 pm
Quinn wins by default.

Rauner can’t name a business.

And, continues to waste his breathe making play for Latino and African American votes.

Comment by Yellow Dog Democrat Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:43 pm
I can’t recall Rauner smiling in the whole debate. Turn off the audio and PQ won on that basis alone.

Comment by Kwark Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:43 pm
I think the tax question hurt a lot more than the “jobs” question. Hasn’t Quinn spent the entire campaign arguing that Rauner’s business experience is irrelevant to what he’ll do as governor? “You wouldn’t hire someone that inexperienced…” and all that?

Now suddenly his private sector job creation record is important to the race?

Quinn admitted, under duress, that he’s going to keep over-taxing struggling Illinois families.

Everyone understands that and it means Quinn lost. Rauner could have pulled a Rick Scott and still won this debate after that one.

Comment by Phil King Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:46 pm
Quinn: Seemed more relaxed and just more knowledgable. Even if you support Rauner, it got kinda old his repeated comments. He debated not to lose but after a while just came off flat.

Comment by One to the Dome Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:46 pm
YDD, for personal reasons, I googled the piece you referenced so I could join you in condemning it. However, what I found didn’t strike me as an overt mocking of Dunn’s medical condition. If the letter writer who raised the issue hadn’t referenced her illnesses, I wouldn’t have given it a thought from reading the piece. It is the typical GOP theme of linking the Dem candidate to the big bad boogie man, Madigan.

Comment by Norseman Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:50 pm
Quinn won. Rauner not able to name one company sunk him.

Comment by WomenDemsIL Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:52 pm
Lastly, the Rauner post answer “head shake” reminded me of Sarah Palin. It was like “trust me if you believe my answer” He did that before in the debates but not as much tonight.

Comment by One to the Dome Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:52 pm
Meh… Quinn did much better than last debate. Rauner was just trying to repeat the lines his handlers gave him, over and over; he failed bigtime on the question about naming a company of his that has actually created jobs. That should have been a softball for him if he has ever owned a company that did that. It’s obvious now that he hasn’t. I don’t think this debate won either one of them many votes. It’s all about the ground games and the media teams at this point, and Quinn is winning both those battles.

Comment by OldSmoky2 Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:53 pm
I didn’t see the debate so it would be inappropriate for me vote on a winner, but I can’t see Raunervich coming off as a winner when he can’t cite one successful business.

Comment by Norseman Monday, Oct 20, 14 @ 11:55 pm
I voted Quinn. Rauner continues to insist that Quinn has cut school funding and violence throughout Illinois has risen which are not true.

Rauner has flip flopped on issues without explanation making it seem to me that he just makes up positions as he goes along. Right to work, continuation of 5% income tax, opposition to minimum wage etc. are some examples.

Quinn missed an opportunity to take credit for passage of the TVDL, when he was criticized for the lengthy wait for applicant appointments due to the popularity of the program. The TVDL was a major success for immigration groups who had lobbied for it for at least 20 years…Quinn stuck his neck out in working for its passage.

Comment by DuPage Grandma Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 12:05 am
Bet the audience was real small. People are generally disgusted with the whole shooting match…

Comment by Mouthy Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 12:14 am
PQ won, mostly because Rauner made too many unforced errors. Rauner told too many whoppers and shook his fist too much. He has detailed plans for everything but didn’t want to share them just yet. He also wore a Susan B Komen ribbon (I’m sure he thought that would garner women’s approval) and the organization is coming under attack again for pairing up with a fracking organization. SBK also got into trouble for having an anti-choice, strong republican agenda, so maybe the ribbon was a dog-whistle to his base. He pandered ineptly, offering Neeley a job to illustrate how much he cares for AAs, claimed to be pro-minimum wage,pro-choice , pro gay marriage, pro Dream Act and for opening up immigration for everyone! A chicken in every pot!

Comment by my two cents Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 12:17 am
AA won. BINGO at 8:28.

Comment by Arthur Andersen Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 12:24 am
Neither won, neither looked strong. I get what Rauner was trying to say when he didnt name a single company but it wont come across that way. And quinn had this wierd tick he did every time he finished speaking, looked very uncomfortable. But because Bruce didnt win, Quinn won if that makes any sense…

Comment by Anon Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 12:26 am
I get the arguments against Rauner, but Quinn couldn’t defend his record tonight. He pivoted too many times to his opponent and it came off weak. Rauner needed to throw some punches but Quinn had the bigger task ahead of him. It is pretty easy to make him look like a “failure.”

Comment by DS Politico Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 12:26 am
Also im going to second Old Domes comments, definitely felt like Rauner was only playing not to lose, not playing to win.

Comment by Anon Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 12:29 am
Yellow Dog,
Way to bring up something that has nothing to do with the debate. I was able to see the mailer you referenced. It is quite a stretch for Moira Dunn and her supporters to say that the Illinois GOP was referencing her health history. “Oh, but that arcade game with the claw and the bobble head is a veiled reference to a health issue she had from years ago!”

Nope, just stating the facts that with those hundreds of thousands Madigan has given her so far, Dunn will be a rubber stamp for Madigan. And that my friend is the message that the voters will respond to. Batinick will win and it will be by a decent margin.

Comment by Jerry Hubbard Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 1:17 am
Quinn had a better performance than Rauner. Wordslinger pointed out the problem Rauner has in terms of not having a “Bruce saved the company” ad and it clearly showed tonight when he couldn’t answer those kinds of questions.

That’s OK though because he’s not Pat Quinn! (snark)

Comment by MEP Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 1:24 am
Pat Quinn won. Generally speaking, his answers were more direct and substantive than Rauner’s. Rauner criticizes Quinn’s administration and characterizes it as a failure without providing any alternative solutions. He has yet to provide a plan or balanced budget.

Comment by Valerie F. Leonard Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 2:07 am
There were reports after the debate at DuSable Museum that there were anti-Quinn protesters outside the venue, who responded to Rauner campaign staffers to move along. The implication seems to have been that Rauner’s campaign paid for the bus for them to be there. I didn’t hear any reports of any protesters at this debate or the debate Downstate. I wonder why the protesters’ sponsors, whoever they were, didn’t pay for them to be at all the venues.

Comment by Valerie F. Leonard Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 2:13 am
Push. Does anyone else feel the level of discourse is just barely better than being in a bar right before closing time?

I’m to the point I’d rather see who is better at holding their liquor anyway. Because straight answers to questions, isn’t going to happen.

Comment by Anonymoose Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 5:00 am
Quinn by default. Rauner needs a positive commercial ticking off company after company, how many jobs were created, and how many AAs worked at them. Now.

Comment by Chad Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 5:08 am
And what reminds me most of bar room conversation? Someone three sheets to the wind in my face belching “Billionaire Bruce Rauner” too many times, then the other bar patron loudly advocating his business skills in my other ear.

Comment by Anonymoose Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 5:15 am
One example of where you’ve created jobs. Something we’ve been discussing here for months.

Rauner - Fail.

Comment by low level Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 5:36 am
Governor Quinn. Quinn stayed composed this time.

Bruce had his Rick Perry moment.

Comment by 2nd Ward Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 5:50 am
Here’s the problem with Bruce…and it became really obvious last night.

Bruce, YOU made it an issue that your a “successful” businessman with 50 gazillion dollars. YOU decided to run FOR PUBLIC OFFICE. Hence your private life is now PUBLIC. DO NOT get defensive when your opponent asks about your private life when YOU decided to run FOR PUBLIC OFFICE.

No one cares that you have money. But your arrogance is the problem.

Comment by Del Clinkton Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 6:10 am
Push. Quinn was better than last time. Rauner was not as good as last time. Quinn seems more genuine, but much less comfortable in front of the lights and cameras. Rauner comes off as a salesman sticking to his selling/talking point of love, loving, having loved, will love, want to love, still loving…. But it’s all fake.

Comment by ryan Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 6:30 am
I hope Rauner gets his shot for one term as governor but I have to admit, Pat Quinn was the winner in the debate last night. Maybe “winner” is actually the wrong description to use? Perhaps it would be a more appropriate description to say that Pat Quinn looked “less stupid” than Rauner last night. Rauner was “Polly Parrot” as he “stayed on the script” as to what he could and would say at the debate. We Republicans always criticize Obama for being lost without his teleprompter. Rauner seems to be Obama’s twin brother as far as never taking a chance by going off of the script his handlers have given him. And that fact definitely hurts Rauner far more than he realizes.
Here is hoping that voters can overlook Rauner’s inability to shine when it comes to his debating skills (or lack thereof). At this point, I would vote for Larry, Curly, or Moe if it meant that we could get someone else in the governor’s mansion. Poor Pat Quinn is simply under-qualified and inept when it comes to political leadership and the ability to do what is necessary to save Illinois. That is why I am going to vote for Rauner. I know that who we have in office now isn’t going to be able to fix our broken state. Therefore, I am going to take a chance with “the new guy” Rauner on November 4th.

Comment by Coffee Cup Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 6:45 am
Rauner could not name a successful business he had and Quinn could not give a straight answer let alone answer the tax question. I threw up in my mouth several times! Neither won, it was horrible, all they did was bash each other. Quinn saying ” he is a millionaire” and Rauner saying “he is a failure!” Both are not far from the truth but how about talking about what you are going to do instead of what the other guys has or has not done! So sick and tired, this election cannot get over quick enough!

Comment by calling you out Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 7:01 am
The problem with demanding answers to the “tax question” is that too many voters want magic math: “Tell me 1 + 1 = 3 and I will vote for you.”

The reality is that Illinois simply needs more revenue but there are too many politicians willing to promise magic math.

Comment by Bill White Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 7:17 am
- Chad - Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 5:08 am:

Quinn by default. Rauner needs a positive commercial ticking off company after company, how many jobs were created, and how many AAs worked at them. Now.

His people can include his success in unicorn conservation in that commercial too.

Comment by Roadiepig Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 7:29 am
PQ explained the budget issues the state is facing and has a plan to try to address the issues.
BR continues to state figures about the budget and how he will shake up the status quo without any specifics.

Comment by 36th Warder Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 7:45 am
Somebody ought to tell the Quinn crew that all they need to say to shut Rauner up on the Quinn/Failure babble is to say “My opponent uses the word ‘Failure’ a lot. He knows a lot about it, because he made his millions profiting on causing the failure of others, from the elderly in his nursing homes to the employees who his handpicked executives couldn’t lay off fast enough to avoid his wrath themselves. He likes to talk about saving illinois from the insiders, when he’s made billions by being one of the largest insiders. He’s taken more of your tax dollars than anyone else, and now he want’s to run Illinois to be able to direct even more of your tax dollars to himself and his friends, and to make absolutely sure that he isn’t paying for the roads you need to get to work, while siphoning even more of your tax dollars into his insider pockets.” Freebie Quinnsters. No charge.

Comment by PublicServant Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 7:47 am
After all this time, the lack of a “business success” story is just strange. Not one, after a lifetime in business?

In private equity, increasing the value off the investor funds is the ultimate goal, not creating jobs or the growth or success of the businesses that the funds purchase.

Maybe there isn’t a busininess success story. Maybe they were strictly bust out artists: take over a company, load it with debt, charge it management fees, cut jobs and costs, sell assets, stiff vendors, just basically milk them dry and walk away, like the Mafia.

We’ve certainly seen that in the Rauner business model. The lack of a counter to that, at this point, just might be that there isn’t one. He sure has had plenty of time to provide one.

Comment by Wordslinger Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 7:49 am
Not much new to be said after reading the above comments. Rauner lost more than Quinn won. The jobs question was a killer for Rauner.

That said, only the political nerds like us actually watch these debates and we generally know who we are going to vote for.

Comment by Peoria Guy Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 8:01 am
Why has everyone overlooked Rauner’s refusal to answer the automatic/assault weapon ban. My focus is on his refusal to answer Ron Mager’s direct yes or no question, not so much the the substance of the answer.

Comment by 13thone Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 8:02 am
=== Maybe they were strictly bust out artists ===

Bust out artists moving to larger prey - like state governments.

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/e5/11/f9/e511f9ba7344c270a85634f04f92111d.jpg

Comment by Bill White Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 8:09 am
I chose Push because I couldn’t watch it all. The various bits that I saw, Quinn looked stronger by standing less hunched over, more confident verbally. Rauner looked angry, acted put-out that he needed to be there.

Comment by Belle Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 8:09 am
Also, perhaps it’s not my place to say, but the Stephanie Neely thing seemed a little token-y. What’s up, Bruce, did you just read her wiki or something?

Comment by Adlai Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 8:17 am
Demanding that Quinn give a yes or no answer on extending the 5% income tax if he loses the election was inappropriate. As a candidate, his history is fair game as are his plans as a future governor. What he does should he lose the election should not have a bearing in the debate. Voting for him cannot change it.

Wish he had offered to have an aide assist Rauner in the process of lobbing.

Comment by DuPage Grandma Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 8:26 am
I think most of the voting public has made a decesion. I am not sure that debate really matters at this time, maybe I am wrong. In my opinion, if you have not yet made up your mind at this point you will do it at the ballot box or just not vote.

Comment by Anonymous Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 8:29 am
I can’t find a clip of Rauner being asked about a business he created jobs with. Anyone have a link? I was away from the tv at the time.

Comment by chi Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 8:42 am
Hit the airways with an ad on the jobs question.

“When asked if any of his business activities resulted in the creation of jobs, Rauner couldn’t give us an answer. Not one job created by his companies, but thousands lost or sent overseas.”

Comment by Wensicia Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 8:50 am
Maybe behind it all Bruce Rauner is a decent human being. However, I’m pretty darn sure that’s he would govern like Scott Walker if he should take office. That would make him intensely disingenuous. His campaign is based on punking low information voters and it makes me sick.

Comment by James Knell Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 9:07 am
Didn’t see it myself.

Just by the reporting seen so far, (almost no one actually watched the darn thing), a slight lean to Rauner.

By what each could use for a strong campaign ad, Quinn for sure. Already using the “not one company” on the web.

Comment by walker Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 9:10 am
Rauner won ! Because simply Illinois’ best choice.

Comment by Bettlejuice Tuesday, Oct 21, 14 @ 12:02 pm