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Former GOP primary candidate Jim Oberweis says Gov. Rod Blagojevich was ripe for the picking, but the Republicans had the wrong candidate in Tuesday’s election.
Instead of looking back, like Mr. Oberweis did, let’s look forward. What should the Republican Party do now?
posted by Rich Miller
Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 5:48 am
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The Republicans should sit back and watch people get what they voted for. While saying “I told you so”, would be gratifying once Hot Rod is led off in cuffs, it’s best to remain quiet. All I can say is that I’m hoping people were voting for Quinn. If they were actually voting for Blago, that would show just how ill-informed voters are.
Comment by not surprised Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 6:02 am
For once, Oberweis might be on to something. It would be an understatement to say the Republicans have run the wrong candidates for some time now.
However, had Obwerweis run, he would have been blown down the street like a stick in the wind. And deservedly so. He is so wrong for so many reasons. I could hardly imagine a worse match for statewide office.
The Republicans should think about running someone who is moderate, well spoken, and will tell the voters “what’s in it for them.” Is this the party of Lincoln or Keyes?
Comment by NoMilkForMe Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 6:17 am
Simple, get back in touch with their base. They’ve been hijacked by the corporations and evangelicals. The Dems may the Big Tent rabble, but we are always listening to our constituency. It ain’t easy, but it can be oh so very productive.
Comment by Fellow Dawg Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 6:20 am
Adlai Stevenson in 1948 stated: “Government is more than the sum of all interests; it is the paramount interest, the public interest. It must be the efficient, effective agent of a responsible citizenry, not the shelter of the incompetent and the corrupt.” If Illinois voters don’t understand what this means, they’ll find out soon enough with the assistance of Patrick Fitzgerald and crew.
Comment by if it walks like a duck... Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 6:29 am
PUNT
Comment by anon Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 6:31 am
The brightest hope for the Illinois GOP is Cross. Build him up and advocate a combination of competent government and political moderation, and then the party might recover and be competitive in statewide elections again.
Comment by Boone Logan Square Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 6:32 am
BTW, Lincoln was a republican in name only. Today, the democrat party has taken on the ideals of the Reconstruction era Rs, and vice versa. Any half-way intelligent historian will tell you that the R party was the liberal party at the time, and Lincoln would most likely be a D today. In fact, Rs were liberal to the point that many called them the “Radical Republicans.” Just a little trivia for you.
Comment by anon Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 6:34 am
6:34 The scary thing about your comment is that it is news to many (even on this thread).
Comment by Fellow Dawg Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 6:43 am
Come up with ideas. Abandon the politics of division. Don’t rely on the US Attorney to win a campaign for you, actually mount a campaign.
Comment by wndycty Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 6:48 am
The Republican party should beome more moderate and move to the middle. Blago would have slaughtered Oberweiss. Hard right social conservatives have absolutely no chance of winning major statewide elections given that the Chicago metropolitan area is not socially conservative. Fiscal conservativism coupled with social moderation on the “culture war” issues would be a winning combination for the Republicans. Unfortunately for the Republicans, I don’t think they will see it my way.
I don’t see anyone on the horizon who can stop Lisa Madigan from being elected Governor in 2011.
Rebuilding the Republican Party will take a while given their complete collapse. At least the Democrats could bleme the LaRouchies for 1994 Republican sweep.
Although I am an ardent Democrat,Illinois citizens are better off when there is a competitive two (or more) party system (e.g., the Cook County Board President situation.)
Comment by Captain America Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 7:04 am
Republicans must get rid of the rampant nepotism in the party (i.e.,another CIA guy appointed to Rummy’s job!) They need to look for younger, fresher ideas and the people with the stamina to carry them out. The party is thought of as an old, rich people’s party and that image has to change. They need people who still believe that public service means making a difference, not lining your own pockets and those of your friends. The cynicism of the old Republican party tyrants is not fitting into an Illinois where there are lots of bright, young people willing to contribute.
However, hubris on the part of young people won’t make matters any better either. Witness the crowd associated with the governor. If future Republicans just concentrate on being themselves, providing ideas and solutions to problems in state government, they can build to a better future for the party - one with less money and arrogance involved.
Comment by Martha Mitchell Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 7:12 am
Rather than attacking Greens, as Topinka decided to do at the last minute, reach out to them by offering a package of election reforms that will help to improve competition in our political marketplace of ideas (i.e. lower ballot access requirements, elimination of the so-called “spoiler effect” using instant runoff voting, a promise to include new parties in debates, etc.)
Comment by Squideshi Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 7:18 am
Check Mark Rhoads over at Illinois Review,
If you want to make Illinois GOP leaders accountable, get rid of “Alternative A” Now
Next, don’t blame Bush. Or at least don’t blame Bush and omit George Ryan’s name. This is a local disaster and you look for culprits outside Illinois.
Bring back Peter Fitzgerald and put him on the GOP lecture circut.
Comment by Bill Baar Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 7:21 am
…don’t look for culprits outside Illinois is what I meant.
Comment by Bill Baar Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 7:22 am
The party leadership needs to determine what advantage, if any, affiliation with the ILGOP “brand” has for activists, officeholders, lobbyists and financial supporters. Currently, there is little or no such value, and actually a negative cast placed on those who attempt to assist (like the well-intended Andrew McKenna). While the ILGOP never had much of a core function, and certainly was ruined by irrelivancy during the Thompson, Edgar and Ryan years (when the party organization was purposefully minimalized so it would not interfere with fundraising and campaign activities), it could make a stunning turn-around as a conduit for information and activism. Why? It is now the only structural game in town, and the House and Senate campaign organizations are failing miserably under second-qulaity leaders. Thompson, Edgar, Ryan, Daniels/Tristano, Philip/Hendren and their political supporters did an effective job of milking the ILGOP for the personal gain of their supporters, and aggressivly kept out almost any person who wasn’t entirely under their control. That is a principal reason why the ILGOP has such an absence on the bench. There should have been a large number of potential officeholders, donors and party leaders from about 40 to 55 years old now. This generation left in disgust — not over the public scandals of misguided individuals like Ryan — but over the personal selfishness of the generation of GOP leadership that immediately preceded it. During that time the ILGOP stood for nothing and accomplished nothing. When it was no longer controlled by a Governor, it imploded due to the absence of image, leadership and operational competence. The ILGOP needs a complete bankruptcy-style workout, and needs to directly address the concerns of its various constituents in a way so that power is shared. It needs easily-understood reasons why a person would choose to become involved with it. It needs to have an open door to differing policy points of view. It needs a paid, professional Chairman who is acceptable to all sides, so that a consistent and credible presence and message can be established in the media to leverage the coming law enforcement activities against the Democrats (this Chairman needs to act as a headhunter for an entirely new group of statewide candidates, donors, state central committee members and county party chairmen). It needs an annual convention-style gathering to spark interest and enthusiasm. The “alumni” of the Thompson/Edgar/Ryan years need to depart the stage. They have taken advantage long enough, showed their express disloyalty to the ILGOP and its candidates during the current cycle, and are not deserving of any continued leadership roles. It is not an overstatement to say they make no meaningful contribution. Edgar’s role this cycle was a damaging and self-aggrandizing display. His actions early in the season, suggestion that he head the “transition”, appearances in closing television commercials and insertion of a few former staffers were transparent acts to promote his board memberships. Remember, he displayed the same markers of allowing corruption among his senior staff that others did, only MSI was botched at trial. It would be a mistake to allow his people to be involved in a comeback, as upcoming election cycles will emphasize ethics. Finally, (and I know this is off-topic), Topinka sacrificed her happiness and public image in what can only be understood as a selfless act to rescue the ILGOP by serving as Chairman and running for Governor. The ILGOP was not worthy of her effort, and I am sorry to see her go out on such a sour note. That said, she and her people should clear the stage as well.
Comment by Chad Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 7:23 am
I’m not sure what the Republican Party can do at this point. With Lisa Madigan and the other Chicago Democratic players standing in line, things look pretty gloomy for the future of the Illinois GOP.
Lisa is real trouble for the Republicans. She pulled the majority of the Independents, all of the Democrats, and some of the Republican votes. At this point, she can’t be beat.
As far as Republicans go, I like Tom Cross. I think that he would make a fine Governor, but I don’t see that happening for quite some time.
I think that Peter Fitzgerald could be a future player, too. A lot of people like the dude.
Comment by B Hicks Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 7:26 am
Well said Chad.
Comment by Bill Baar Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 7:27 am
Who cares? I am focused on reorganizing the Whigs.
Comment by HoosierDaddy Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 7:35 am
The not so nice thing about primaries is they tend to destroy those not directly connected to the cash vaults of a few controlling the Republican Party purse strings, and it’s campaigning membership army. The Republican party continues to rely on the same old party faithful who have “earned†their chance to run, through longevity, and not necessarily through dynamic performance and innovative ideas. New faces and fresh ideas must come from outside the old guard. I see little, if any, up and coming potential. I think the Shawn Hannity style Republican is on the wane and a new, more independent voter is emerging. The Democrats won big this election because of many subtle local issues, backed by a statewide campaign hammering home long standing corruption in Illinois adeptly blamed on the Republicans, along with good ideas for health care and education, and the threat of raising taxes. Couple this nationally with corruption in DC, and a stalemate in Iraq, and you have the result, a Democratic victory. The Illinois Republican Party needs a plan that speaks to the Independent voter, a strategy that is developed with long term in mind, and a message that invites rather than alienates. The GOP has become just that….the Grand “Old†Party with no dynamics to lead. After all, the big money managers within the Illinois GOP are tied at the hip with the Democrats and the Republican Representatives sell out their vote for their pet project. No trust and no confidence was reflected in the election results.
Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 7:39 am
Well, anon, that’s not exactly historically accurate. You are right that the R party of today is different than that of Lincoln. However, Lincoln, et al, were what many would call “Classic Liberals”, meaning they believed that individual rights and freedoms superceded government. I’d say that sounds more like some “small-government Republicans” or maybe even more like Libertarians than it sounds like today’s Democrats. Maybe, to answer Rich’s question, Republicans need to reevaluate who is allowed in their tent.
Comment by YNM Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 7:42 am
Step 1: Dump McKenna, Dillard, Topinka, any has-been out of touch wishy washy “leader” that the party has employed over the past few decades
Step 2: Develop a young bench of forward thinking moderate and conservative candidates who can compete for local and statewide offices.
Step 3: Give people a reason to vote FOR Republicans. They party has not done that here since 1998
Finally, to those saying the Republican party has to nominate MODERATE Republicans, how are the moderates like Axley and Topinka doing today?
Comment by Bakersfield Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 7:48 am
From the Whig Party platform of 1852, “That while struggling freedom everywhere enlists the warrnest syrnpathy of the Whig party, we still adhere to the doctrines of the Father of his Country, as announced in his Farewell Address, of keeping ourselves free from all entangling alliances with foreign countries, and of never quitting our own to stand upon foreign ground, that our mission as a republic is not to propagate our opinions, or impose on other countries our for n of government by artifice or force; but to teach, by example, and show by our success, moderation and justice, the blessings of self-government, and the advantages of free institutions.”
Does this mean that you support an immediate withdrawl of military forces from Iraq, HoosierDaddy? What about that whole NATO thing–should that be considered an “entangling alliance?”
Comment by Squideshi Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 7:48 am
The not so nice thing about primaries is they tend to destroy those not directly connected to the cash vaults of a few controlling the Republican Party purse strings, and it’s campaigning membership army. The Republican party continues to rely on the same old party faithful who have “earned†their chance to run, through longevity, and not necessarily through dynamic performance and innovative ideas. New faces and fresh ideas must come from outside the old guard. I see little, if any, up and coming potential. I think the Shawn Hannity style Republican is on the wane and a new, more independent voter is emerging. The Democrats won big this election because of many subtle local issues, backed by a statewide campaign hammering home long standing corruption in Illinois adeptly blamed on the Republicans, along with good ideas for health care and education, and the threat of raising taxes. Couple this nationally with corruption in DC, and a stalemate in Iraq, and you have the result, a Democratic victory. The Illinois Republican Party needs a plan that speaks to the Independent voter, a strategy that is developed with long term in mind, and a message that invites rather than alienates. The GOP has become just that….the Grand “Old†Party with no dynamics to lead. After all, the big money managers within the Illinois GOP are tied at the hip with the Democrats and the Republican Representatives sell out their vote for their pet project. No trust and no confidence was reflected in the election results.
Comment by Justice Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 7:48 am
I believe Capt. America is right! A move to the middle, moderation with the culture wars… However, having said that my question is this, “who is going to lead?” Someone has to unite the republicans and lead there. The state party has no leader. The Alan Keyes mess shows us that. The problem with the last several years of canidates for state wide offices is this, it is about their agenda, their wants over the needs of the party. Oberweiss and a few other rich ultra conservatives have proven this. Heck, even Judy running this time was about Judy, it wasn’t about what was best for the state. So I believe the republicans will have to start over, from the top down and start over from the bottom up. Unfortunately for the republicans, as long as George Ryan is still living, not much can be done to rebuild the party. Plus, this generation of voters who were burned by the corruption of this man and the republican machine will have to pass before the party and the voters can entertain the thought of voting republican agian. However, the stain that this current Governor leaves will hurt the dems as well, and the Republicans should be there to capitlize on this at the local level. The local level is where to start building the trust of the people. I believe that the democrate machine and leadership (madigan) is in place, and poised to take over the governors chair the next time around. She’ll do it on Rod’s back, sort of the way Big Jim did it, “fighting corruption.”
A lot of things has to happen before the republicans in this state will ever see the opportunity to govern again.
Comment by Daxx Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 7:50 am
The IL republican party needs to reinvent itself as the party that stands against corruption in the state (no laughing). Start with young, fresh “squeeky clean” candidates and party leaders that have no linkage to G Ryan or any of the major “combine” contributors.
Acknowledge the problems of the past and come clean with the voters then start a major voter “education” program that, most importantly, connects the dots and show voters why corruption DIRECTLY affects them and their wallets.
While this could be embarrassing for the party early, the next four years will have plenty of free advertising in the form of P Fitz and his ongoing investigations of state & city of Chicago corruption. Fighting corruption could be a unifying effort and something that could bring in cross-over voters statewide. The party won’t need to advertise candidates as much as show they’re not associated with the statewide one-party rule (and its related corruption).
All the polling for the last election showed people were concerned with corruption. All other things being equal, they just weren’t able to clearly identify a clean, responsible option to the incumbant, be the party top-to-bottom that does.
After Fitz & company is done with Chicago, Cook County, and the State, the landscape of political fundraising and operations will be different–beat the other party to the “punch” and create an organization based on the new world at the end of the process…
Comment by Animous Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:01 am
Drink - Heavily.
Comment by Beer Man Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:05 am
hey, if Webb cna be a democrat, why can’t Vallas be a republican? (the dem party f%*/$#d him anyway.) Draft Paul!
Comment by corvax Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:12 am
The Republican Party, while not in a position to implement an agenda for Illinois, should develop one. Put together a comprehensive budget plan. Put together plans aimed at addressing the real problems the state faces. Then, introduce bills reflecting those plans — probably the day before State of the State for legislation, and the day before the budget address for the budget. By doing that, the Republicans can frame a public debate between their plans and the Governor’s plans — and lead to a debate of ideas that could actually lead to some Republican initiatives being incorporated into the state’s agenda.
If all they do is sit back and say, “What the Governor is doing is bad,” without any affirmative agenda of their own, then they will deserve to remain out of power. If they come up with an affirmative agenda, though, they can make the upcoming election cycle a referendum on ideas, and who knows, maybe they’ll win. But if they have no ideas they surely won’t.
Comment by Gus Frerotte's Clipboard Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:12 am
The Republicans need to get back to their roots of fiscal responsibility. They need to “grow” solid candidates who promote a positive, forceful platform for the state.
The message in this past election was anti-Blagojevich, not pro-Republican. That doesn’t work in the long run. The party and its candidates need to offer Illinoisans something to which to aspire, something positive for which they can hope.
Comment by Fan of the Game Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:17 am
Come up w/an agenda for IL/US. Remember who you are and what you stand for. Prepare for 08 elections as dems will foul it up Nationwide and be indicted/foul it up across the state. Get viable candidates, forget about countywide cook positions. As Todd has shown us, it is hopelesss, regardless how imcopmpetent/corrupt the candidate is, if there is a D vs R, the D will win in Cook County.
Realize that the GOP is in an uphill battle. In the city, the dems easily won w/%s of 80+%. People don’t move to the city, they move to the burbs. As more D’s move to the Burbs, they will come and vote to screw things up. R’s generally don’t move to the city, if they do, it will be a safe neighborhood. If a D leaves a less afe area of the city, they will likelyu move to a safer suburb, bringing their voting patterns with them.
Comment by Wumpus Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:30 am
Print up bumper stickers that say “Don’t blame me, I voted for Judy.”
Comment by Shelbyville Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:36 am
Rebuilding the state GOP is going to be a long process. Especially when the Dems have rock star Obama waiting in the wings. He will start turning up the heat real soon. He will have big coat tails too. So will Lisa. The GOP is in for a long dry season(s).
Comment by Daxx Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:38 am
1) Clean out the dead wood, i.e. the Repubocrats & Demopublicans whose ghosts hang over the ILGOP like Banquo: Cellini, Kjellander, Topinka, Edgar, Big Jim Thompson, George Ryan, Dillard, ad nauseum.
2) Offer a coherent plan on how the ILGOP would govern. This should include comprehensive ethics reform, campaign reform (barring state contractors from making donations), and a clear plan to solve the state’s economic woes.
3) What I am about to suggest may be heresy to my fellow conservatives. So be it: Offer a income tax swap for property tax relief to benefit education.
A history lesson: In the 1990s Michigan Gov. John Engler offered this idea. The Democratic-controlled legislature thoguht he lacked the testicular virility to actually sign the legislation. He did so, and he served three terms as a Republican Governor in a Democratic-leaning state.
The property tax relief issue has potential in the collar counties and suburban Cook County.
Since none of this is going to happen, I am off to Hot Doug’s for lunch. Alligator sausage!
Comment by Ravenswood Right Winger Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:40 am
Cut ties with Oberweis and his divisive one issue supporters. They do nothing but try to divide the party.
You can win being a fiscal conservative, believing in small and ethical government, and expecting citizens to do their part.
Comment by anon Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:48 am
Capt America, the LaRouch folks were in 1986 - had nothing to do with 94. After 94 the State Dem party held a conference and came out with full support for Durbin. They stayed on that track - he won, they got the House back and started getting back Senate seats. That’s just in Illinois. The GOP needs to pick it’s next standard bearer and have EVERYONE get with the program. starting now…
Comment by babs Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:54 am
The easy answer is develop some leaders. As others have said, the bench is basically very weak with a farm system that is not developing new talent. The trouble being who wants to put themselves into the meatgrinder. Every statement and past action gets evaluated/twisted down to the tiniest detail to find some type of controversy even if controversy has to be manufactured. Unfortunately, the Rush/Hannity effect blows both ways even as those guys claim they are just shedding light on issues. Try finding someone without skeletons in their past. As Rev Haggard and Rush have shown, the surface statements/actions do not always equal what actually is done off the stage. I would like to think voters recognize this by becoming more independent and not tied to a party or single issue. Cut the constant attempts to show what a Bozo the other party is and start working toward a coherent, consistent, inclusive plan that meets the needs of the state. The negative campaigns may work now, but they cost a huge price developing the talent willing to get into the business and develop voter loyalty. It may sound crass, but what is in it for me, the voter. What do you bring to the table that will solve problems or make life easier? Not blame someone. Solve it. Hopefully the Fed investigations will take care of the Rezkos, Levines, and the various Official “whoever” vultures who will suck up anything they can for themselves. Sadly, history shows the vultures are never far away. Get past that, clean house, develop a bench, and push a positive, understandable, memorable platform that will attract talented people willing to put up with the crap while getting the right things done.
Comment by zatoichi Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:55 am
Do nothing for a few weeks. Let the passions of the recent election cool. Do not rush to any judgments. Make considered, level headed decisions.
Read some history so you don’t repeat past mistakes.
Give it a few weeks, rest and think. Then come back to debate some ideas.
Comment by Rick Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:56 am
I hate to admit it but we need a saviour such as Obama to rescue the party. Semi-young, dynamic speaker, centrist views (new ideas) and no history of dealing with corrupt politicians and insiders! Until we have somebody to go nose to nose with Barack O. or Lisa M. (our next Gov.- no doubt) we’re screwed.
Comment by new game Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:57 am
Raise money. Lots of money. Legal funds would be best.
Comment by Ali bin Hadden Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:57 am
Who are the GOP candidates of the near-to-intermediate future? Who in the GOP is dying for the opportunity to run against Dick Durbin, the number two man in the US Senate, two years from now? Who among GOPers is drooling at the chance to take on Lisa Madigan in four years?
The Senate republicans have been eviscerated. Prospective candidates who are left might would include Lauzen, Dillard and Cronin, who aren’t far removed from the Brady and Rutherford mold. But they just got thumped.
There any few attractive candidates coming out of the GOP House. Tom Cross. Beth Coulson. Maybe Dan Brady or Aaron Schock. See any bright stars in the GOP legislative firmament?
Did their recent campaigns set up Chris Radogno, Bill Brady, Dan Rutherford and Carol Pankau for great things in the future? The cupboard is bare, barring outside influences. Even indictments may not help the GOP. Clean Lisa will ride in to save the day.
The budget may be the only way to win. At some point, Rod’s going to run out of one-time solutions for the state’s budget problems. With the economy slowing, we may have seen the best of the recovery which doesn’t bode well for the state’s finances a year or two down the road.
Finding some people to preach fiscal austerity and a tax swap may be the only way back for the GOP.
Comment by Ilrino Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 9:12 am
Are there good stats out yet of how many registered voters actually bothered to vote. Unrelated to Illinois, Imus was talking of 13 million voters in Texas, 8 million (60%) did not vote. Pretty sad. The winner still gets the job, but it sure shows how big the potential market is and how poorly people think of the process. Pop that back to Illinois, if Rod gets 50% of the 40% that voted that’s 20% support. Hardly a mandate, but he won.
Comment by zatoichi Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 9:13 am
Invest heavily in Aaoron Schock. Keep the old guard away from him, don’t taint him.
Comment by Wumpus Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 9:15 am
CLEAN HOUSE in the State Party apparatus. McKenna, Kjellander and the entire Central Committee should go immediately. They should all be tried and convicted for political malpractice.
Stop pushing horrible candidates who are really just Democrats - but Democrats who are so lame that Mike Madigan and Daley just don’t want them. Voters need to see a real choice. This year voters had to choose between tweetle dumb and tweetle dumber.
And finally, for the love of God, DON’T EVER LISTEN TO JIM EDGAR AGAIN!!!
Comment by Real Clear Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 9:29 am
1. Andy McKenna must come forward and state that the party’s success rate has been poor and it is time for a comprehensive review of the party for the purpose of making those changes necessary to enable it to win in the future, even if that means his own withdrawal from the party chairmanship.
2. The State Central Committee should appoint a 50-member review commission to follow up on the message of No. 1 and perform a comprehensive review of the Illinois GOP, create a report, and provide recommendations. Hired consultants, from both within and without Illinois should be retained to provide analyses for the committee’s review. Also, a forum for receiving input from the Republican voters and “grassroots” must be implemented for this process.
3. Also, the State Central Committee should pledge to change the rule to allow direct election of the state central committeeman. (However, I have news for Ibendahl, Jack Roeser & Co.: even with direct election of committeeman, you would see little change in the make-up of the central committee. But you would have the reassurance that a popular election was held to affirm its membership, regardless of the outcome.)
4. Many old names have to be forced into retirement. Judy’s loss and Hastert’s “retirement” mean they are now out. Bush’s lame duck status renders Kjellander’s clout less important. In any event, all of the foregoing should take a powder and Thompson and Edgar should butt out of all party business. The only folks with any business taking leadership in the party now are the County Chairmen, Watson, Cross, our Congressional delegation, the Senate and House Minority leadership, the leadership of the Republican Finance Committee, in that order. Egos and ideological agendas (including the “party should be more moderate” mantra) must be set aside for the reform process.
5. A major restructuring of how the Party “does business” in Cook County must be made. The City Party is a pathetic joke, and the burbs have been hemorraghing support and power consistently. New York City has a system that works well and allows for the election of Republican mayors: the secret is that ward workers are hired and compensated according to performance. That needs to be done here, even (probably) if it means ignoring the tin-pot leaders who hold committeeman positions.
6. Immediately demand input in the Orr “review” of the voting debacle. I smell pre-programmed fraud there, and no one-party evaluation will satisfactorily resolve these issues. If the demand is not met, raise holy hell… if you are going to let the Democrats steal every election, party reform will not be worth the effort.
Comment by Conservative Republican Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 9:35 am
The ILGOP should start at the local level and start building a farm system.
I’ll use my home couinty as an exmaple. Start making a real effort to elect people in the Metro-East. Stop being a one trick pony down here. The whole judicial hellhole issue is not working. Works for the Chamber and the business PACs but not really a kitchen table issue.
If the GOP had fielded some real candidates (or any candidates for that matter) they would have begun making some inroads down here. They would also have some future people to run for statewide races.
Comment by Couincilman Sinnock Online Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 9:37 am
It’s a huge opportunity and I’m afraid they don’t see it.
The local organizations should be built up through old-fashioned recruiting starting right now. The party should identify potential statewide candidates now and support those individuals. Radogno, Schock, Coulson, Cross, Rutherford–all but Coulson have statewide name recognition. And every time the Blago crew stumbles (and they will, a lot) the Republicans should be on the airwaves (lots of free press out there) offering alternatives.
The old guys Thompson, Kjellander, Edgar should get out of the limelight but they do have a lot of knowledge. Don’t toss them on the scrap heap, use the knowledge. Watson, however, is useless.
Repubs won’t like this, but look at Nancy Pelosi. A mother of five who worked her way up through
the political ranks and is now the Speaker. It’s possible. But you have to put in the time and tolerate the drudgery.
Comment by Cassandra Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 9:38 am
Am I wrong to think that there will be big changes in the state G.O.P.? Surely this is the end of business as usual. Seems the time is right for someone to step up to the task. I fear that the far right will fill the void.
One good candidate that comes to my mind is state rep Jim Sacia from the Rockford area. He is squeaky clean. He is a relative new-comer to politics. He is a retired F.B.I. agent and is one of the most reasonable and thoughtful men I have ever met. I can see him being a guy who would work with both sides of the aisle.
Any Republican is going to have their hands full with Lisa Madigan though.
Comment by Freezeup Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 9:46 am
I do have to question Mckenna and his spending. But, find a millionare “moderate” repub, and take it to Durbin in 08!
Comment by scoot Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 9:51 am
Also, and I know this is 100% contradictory to my previous post, bring back Pate without actually bringing back Pate. In other words, a schrewd, king making political guy who would actually recruit/appoint, train and then elect good candidates at the state senate level instead of losers like Axley, Roth, etc.
Comment by Bakersfield Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:03 am
Republicans would be well-advised to take another look at their party platform. Topinka got hammered for opposing the assault weapons ban and the minimum wage. Axley was nailed for opposing stem cell research. You can’t lead a crusade against something as a party that 80% of the voters are for and expect to hold anything like a majority.
Comment by Yellow Dog Democrat Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:05 am
I think Andy needs to sit down with all the county chairs, the YR,s and the College YR’s and tell them to get on board or step aside, and then start lining up candidates and not play this waiting game that hurt us this year
Comment by GW Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:05 am
I don’t think that there is anything they can do.
Comment by dan l Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:05 am
They need to stop anointing non movement candidates. Take a look at their replacement for IL-93 (The former seat of Art Tenhouse.) They anointed a blue-blood Republican Jil Tracy, who dosen’t know her issues, is an uninspiring campaigner and is already tired of doing the work of a state rep.
They should have found someone who had ideas, willing to move the party forward, and who was commited to party building for local candidates like many on the other side are.
That apointment was no different then JBT becoming the candidate for governor. She didn’t have a platform, didn’t move the party forward, a horrible campaigner, and wasn’t willing to build the party.
Comment by downstateyp Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:21 am
TWO words for the IL GOP:
JOHN MILLNER.
Ex-cop, college professor, articulate, moved to the senate from the house quickly, and looks good for the babes who think Blago is cute
Comment by thunkaboutit Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:22 am
I think Peter Fitzgerald might be the GOP’s best hope as a gubernatorial candidate, especially if he incorporated the lesson of the South Dakota referendum in his thinking.
“The American people want the government to work to reduce the number of abortions, but as a whole we don’t want to incarcerate women who get abortions or physicians who perform abortions.”
The Illinois GOP has been torched by things that have already happened. And the DC GOP is going to continue to hurt the credibility of brand GOP.
Obviously Patrick Fitzgerald would be a strong candidate, but he’ll lose his crossover appeal if he fails to stick with his special prosecutor job.
Comment by Carl Nyberg Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:24 am
Start by not listening to Democrats who think they have the answers to GOP problems…if you think they want to help, you’ve already lost.
Comment by Real Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:25 am
Carl,
do you mean bring back PETER Fitz or PAT Fitz?
Comment by Bill Baar Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:28 am
Squid:
1. That was a joke.
2. I am more interested in the government reform and individualist aspects of Whiggery than in their isolationism. However:
3. Immediate withdrawal from Iraq- no, that would be as messy, bloody disaster that would make the current war look like a neighborhood scuffle. Eventual withdrawal, yes.
4. NATO has outlived its usefulness (when was the last time you say a communist in power outside of the east coast of the U.S.? So has the UN– no, wait, the UN never HAD any usefulness.
Comment by HoosierDaddy Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:33 am
“saw” not “say
Comment by HoosierDaddy Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:34 am
The only way for the GOP to recover is to appeal to the many new Democrats who stopped voting R when the party adopted the national GOP’s right-wing social agenda. A more libertarian-oriented GOP would win back converts–and reflect where most people are in the state: fiscally conservative but socially liberal.
Comment by Hound Dog Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:35 am
Bill, I think Carl meant Senator Peter Fitzgerald. I also agree with him that Peter Fitz is the only hop to bring true reform and hope and credibility to the republican party.
We cannot and should very publically do is get rid of all these “so-called” republicans who making a living supporting Democrats and undermine republican canididates through Cook County,example is in LaGrange and and in Orland Park. Indivudals like Maureen Murphy,ex-state Sen./lobbyist Tom Walsh,Kellander,Big Jim, Topinka all need to go and join the Democrats.We need a strong,aggresive leader like Schillersrom, but with the tenacity of Peraica!
I think Peraica should run against Durbin in 2008, because Peraica would run a campaign and expose that left leaning,jimmy cater democrat and would win statewide!
I believe the future of the party lies in being a formible foe in Cook County and its suburbs, and to develop leaders who can run campaigns like Peraica. Dan Cronin, Peraica,Peter Fitzgerald,Mark Kirk,Bob Biggens, Chris Nybo,Bob Schillerstrom are the future and also we need to recruit black and hispamnic bvoters to our cause and realize how to attract them to our side.
P.S. Chad is yanez!
Comment by Cronin or Schillerstrom for gov. in 2011 Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:53 am
Milner looks like a non-lethal version of Dick Cheney. He seems like a good guy, creditable and reputable. We shall see.
Comment by Wumpus Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 11:07 am
Did anyone see the polling on Peter Fitzgerald before he dropped out? It was horrible and that’s why Democrats lined up to take him out.
If anyone recalls he hated campaigning and it showed. He only won the first time because Moseley Braun was such a bad candidate–and he almost blew that.
Comment by archpundit Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 11:08 am
By the time Keyes was selected, the whole process had become a farce.
His race doesn’t count.
When Moseley-Braun came up for reelection, the GOP establishment didn’t even field a candidate. So the conservatie Fitzgerald got to run and he defeated her.
So, a question for all the Commenters so concerned about moderate candiates for the GOP, when was the last time a true conservative had the chance to go up in the General Election for Governor or U.S. Senator?
Just as I thought, no answer.
How does anybody know what would have happened if Oberweis had been the GOP candidate?
This election was an abberation. This election added an abnormal 5% to each Democrat’s totals.
In a normal year, McSweeny and Peraica would have won. They too were casualties of the Iraq War.
Comment by True Observer Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 11:11 am
I don’t see very many structural suggestions. The ILGOP is a statutory entity that exists and functions by fact of its governing law. While it might be fun to propose who might make a good candidate or political party leader, the actual and boring topics of how the organization is to operate is the important aspect of Rich’s question. And, if any of you expect a reasonable future for the ILGOP, base your personnel suggestions on who has performed well and who has failed in the art of aggrigating and directing influence across broad interests. Those on the fringes of the party fulfill an important rhetorical role, but fail in the key leadership slots. Illinois is a centrist state and political volunteers will not be attracted unless there is a reasonable chance of victory.
Comment by Chad Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 11:17 am
Why couldn’t the Republicans choose a rock-ribbed conservative that has the right beliefs, just highlights other things. For an example, I see no reason why a pro-life, pro 2nd amendment Republican couldn’t win if he/she had credible plans for education reform, health care reform, etc. Especially if the election highlighted the plans and not the social issues.
Comment by downstateyp Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 11:18 am
Between now and 2010 alot can happen. A Blago indictment before 08′? Will that help the State rep/senate seats for the GOP? Will Obama run and win the presidency? If so, how will the dems lose in his home state even if the gov is indicted? Enter AG Madigan? Who do we have to take things over and into the future? To much to think about after taking one on the chin…maybe Periaca for Gov?
Comment by scoot Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 11:20 am
arch, has Peter Fitzgerald’s stature as a reformer grown since he’s left office?
Cronin or…, I like Peraica, but at best he’d only mildly out perform Jim Durkin.
Comment by Carl Nyberg Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 11:29 am
It’s really easy for Mr. Oberweis, the guy who couldn’t get out of the primary to say I told you so… However, if he thinks he was the answer, which I’m sure he does, he’s sadly mistaken. Wacky millionaires coming out of the woodwork are not the answer. Funny how the unelectable are always the last ones to realize they are unelectable, if they ever do.
Comment by Ron Burgundy Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 11:43 am
Somebody needs to start a Madigan Watch website.
Comment by CrunchyCon Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 11:47 am
downstateyp- I could only imagine the field day a Democrat with a big war chest would have with a prolife progun Republican…I give Blago and his cronies credit they were all too good at framing the debate in their terms. Education and health care wouldn’t be mentioned…the focus would be on the “gun nut who wants to take away your right to choose” it doesn’t matter if that’s the actual case the only thing that matters is the overwhemingly number of democratic voters in cook county will.
Comment by ISU REP Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 11:54 am
Why would any successful person under age 50 want to run for office? Anymore, I feel like they should run from it.
Your life and family and friends and income is scrutinized by people you have never heard of before. People try to become your friend, not because of what they like about you, but because of what they can get from you.
Even long time friends and family can’t always be trusted.
The phone rings every night telling you of some awful tragedy that has happened in the state (fires, train wrecks, cops shot, tornados, etc.)
The newspapers print stories about you that are untrue and it is likely that you earn less than some of the school teachers in this state.
Public office is difficult on your kids and even your parents. I don’t see many pluses to it.
So, what we end up electing sometimes are the people that always ran for class president because no one else wanted it - and they thought they were popular.
Comment by Shelbyville Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 11:58 am
I applaud Tony Periaca and his supporters who marched in the middle of the night to 69 west Washington to try to save our democratic goverment, which so happens to be in grave danger in Chicaho with this Russian/Communist stly of governing by the ruling politbureo called Cook County Democratic party!
People in in the media, Rich Miller inlcuded, are wrong to make fun or make light of what really happened on Nov. 7, which is our democratic ways, our elections ,how we elect our officials are being manipulated by these so-called voting machines, which nobody knows when they will work and that we , the citizens have to hold our hopes on the City and County officials to tell us if our votes counted or not?? Not even in Iraq or in Cuba, have they ran such a farce of an election. What the Media and Rich Miller should do, along with all us bloggers is demand a thourough investigation in why does it take so long to find out who won an election? Why can we have ATM’s all over with thousands of dollars in them and they work like a swiss watch, but yet our very being of a democracy, free elections and knowing that our votes truely counts, our elections are always marred by inept machines, broken chads and a non-chalant stly of making fun at the ones who complain this is not right and ridiculing those who want to defend the integrity of our elections???
I think David Orr should resign, I also think Pat Fitzgerald should investigate our elections and the lack of integrity of how are votes are counted.Also we Americans should read about our country and how we gained our independence and what our founding fathers fought for. It is a sad day, when only immigrants from other countries truely understand what a free elections mean and are the only ones willing to fight for there right to vote and defend our democracy!!!
As Republicans, we should thank Commissioner Peraica for standing up and saying the truths that our elction system is rotton and needs to be cleaned up!!!As a Republican I’m ashamed that other republicans are not as outraged as I am that our freedoms are being jeporidized by people who are afraid to say what they see and know is true,our elections are rigged by the Democrats!Now, have’nt you had enough?
Comment by What does America stand for? Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 12:21 pm
The biggest laugh of the election night occurred when former Governor Edgar stated that the Illinois Republican Party could only succeed if it nominated moderates (pro-abortion, pro-gay and anti-gun candidates). Pardon me, but with the exception of a favorable NRA rating, Topinka was a total liberal. The liberal elites have dominated party slatemaking for decades and have not won anything in two election cycles. Can the conservatives possibly do worse than the Republocrat combine members?
Comment by Honest Abe Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 12:50 pm
It’s simple- I presented my 5 key points for a stronger Illinois at another site.
No new government entitlements. There is talk about extending our socialized medicine programs. We must not let this happen. We must pledge to hold the line on spending.
No new taxation. The state is bloating up bigger and bigger. This will force more tax hikes. We must pledge to lower taxes.
Cherish Life. We ran a pro abortion candidate at the top of our ticket. We lost. Pro abortion candidates will not turn out the base.
Embrace family values. I think America spoke last night when virtually all pro family referendums passed. Does Illinois deserve less?
Support business. Illinois is one of the least business friendly states in the union. This has caused our unemployment rate to remain higher than the national average, and keeps business away despite all the advantages Illinois has to offer. We have a large, educated workforce situated on the nation’s transportation hub. Locating your business here should be easy. It is not.
I call this “5 key points to a strong Illinois.†It will provide fiscal strength, moral strength and I believe it will provide the citizens of this state with the leadership that the desire. The main problem is our party leadership won’t make this commitment. For this, they must go.
We must let the party leadership know that conservatives are the heart and sould of the party.
Comment by GD Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 12:51 pm
1. Build mut hut in Montana;
2. Fill with Pork n’ Beans and 14 of your best higher powered rifles;
3. Text message pages saying goodbye; and
4. Get the hell out of the Land of Lincoln before the next major smackdown in 2008!!!!
Comment by Holier Than Though Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 1:06 pm
Thanks to Babs for setting me straight on the date of the Larouchie debacle. I feel like a real dummy! Sorry for the misinformation/about this in my earlier posting.
Nonetheless, fiscal conservatism and social moderation seems like a winning strategy/foundation for Republicans to rebuild their party in Illinois.
Comment by Captain America Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 1:19 pm
Draft Nieukirk.
Ahem, I mean:
GET NIEUKED!
Comment by doubtful Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 1:19 pm
Sen. John Millner? Hmmmm!
Comment by Louis G. Atsaves Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 1:29 pm
[Although I am an ardent Democrat,Illinois citizens are better off when there is a competitive two (or more) party system (e.g., the Cook County Board President situation.]
In agreement, especially since both of our parties have been tainted by corruption in Illinois, so not having a viable (read: electable) opposition party is going to be an absolute nightmare. Only hope at any reform is for the Dems to wrestle internally when they feel that someone is not on the up and up, and I suspect we’re going to see a lot of that going on, especially since our governor elect won’t even respond to his own AG’s request that subpoena information be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act.
[However, Lincoln, et al, were what many would call “Classic Liberalsâ€, meaning they believed that individual rights and freedoms superceded government.]
Liberals in the true, classical tradition are now considered to be closer to libertarianism (small l, please, because those big L’s are so not gonna get elected, as they attract everyone from serious reformers to the nutty, whack job types).
If you truly believe in freedom of speech, of the press, of the 2nd amendment, of religion (or the right to not practice any at all), that the recent Kelo decision was horrible, and that it is none of the government’s business about 9 out of 10 of the things it always wants to know about everyone, then you’re considered more a part of the Right than the so-called “liberal” Left these days.
Bottom line: Bush and the Iraq war made it difficult to run anyone. It was a protest vote. And Whitney was a giant middle finger vote from everyone who was either really really thrilled about his past Red ties (somewhat likely) or thought that this would be the ultimate way to stick it to both parties.
As far as what to do, they ran an ultra-conserv as well as a moderate, and we saw that Republican voters turned out more for the moderate than they did support the crackpot Keyes, who ended up having a giant outburst over his lack of support. There’s the hint. Ultra-conservs cannot win this state, so that’s not the solution.
Comment by Angie Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 1:33 pm
The Future Of The Illinois Republican Party is,
1.Bob Schillerstrom
2.Dan Cronin
3.Tony Peraica
4.Bob Biggins
5.Chris Nybo
6.Bill Hogan
7.Skip Saviano
8.Frank(DOC) Yanez
9.Kirk Dillard
10.Bill Brady
11.Peter Fitzgerald.
12.Bring GlennPoshard to the Republican Party
13. Recruit great Hispanic(Cuban) canididates,bring them from Florida if you have too, and have them run for higher offices.
14.Get black republican canididates
15.Retire Joe Birkett
16.Don’t have Jim Durkin run for anything high profile
17.Get rid of all those republicans who work with democrats in Cook County.
Comment by A come to daddy advice for my children Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 1:43 pm
===arch, has Peter Fitzgerald’s stature as a reformer grown since he’s left office?
No, he moved to Virginia and is hardly heard from. Peter Fitzerald is seen as some great apolitical savior by some of the political class, but he was too lazy for anyone who isn’t obsessed with politics to even remember him.
Comment by Archpundit Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 1:49 pm
1. Focus on the scandals of Rod.
2. With every press release of a scandal, highlight a positive of the GOP agenda
3. Communicate, communicate, communicate
4. Retire the combine
5. Build a network to establish future leaders
6. Make Wumpus King of all GOP
7. Forget about Cook County City, as it is hopeless.
Comment by Wumpus Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 1:54 pm
Well, clearly the GOP needs to work on its ground game in the suburbs. It’s amazing how close Dems came to succeeding Henry Hyde and Lee Daniels! And that doesn’t even get into the “thumping” the Senate Republican candidates took there. If the Republicans can’t even get support in the suburbs, they’ll be dead in the water on the state level.
Comment by Just Saying Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 2:04 pm
I’d like to see Jim Edgar take a bigger role. He doesn’t have to run for anything, but he should keep visible and be the face of the Republican party in Illinois. Nobody else in the party has the broad-based respect that he has.
He would serve as a powerful reminder that ILGOP is not George Ryan or JBT, which is what the current perception is.
This is the party of Lincoln. I disagree with the person who said that Lincoln was a RINO and would be a democrat today. Before he organized the Republican party in Illinois, Lincoln was a Whig–the party of business and commerce, traditionally associated with Republicanism today.
But more importantly, he deeply believed in individual freedom, which is what the Republican party is all about: an ownership society, the freedom to make the best for ourselves, the freedom to make money and the freedom to give it away as we see fit, not to be forced to give to ever-expanding government programs. The moral superiority of the Republican Party rests on this single idea. When you deprive people of the ability to give money to charity, you create an amoral society. There is no longer personal responsibilty. Now it’s all up to the government. The government becomes God. The end result is fascism, communism and all the other wonderful ideas of the 20th century.
We are the party of Lincoln, and don’t anybody forget it.
Comment by elginarea Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 2:09 pm
When in Montana…
1. Accept personal responsibility for your problems and then blame on alcohol dependency and childhood molestation;
2. Adopt policies encouraging backalley abortions and easier access for crimonals to assault rifles;
3. Rid conservative christian leadership of all gay, drug using pastors; and
4. Recruit Ken Blackwell to move from Ohio to Illinois for a second run for Governor!!!!
Comment by Holier Than Thou Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 2:15 pm
elginarea, please stop with the Jim Edgar worship. Why would anyone ever listen to him again after he tried to steer voters wrong this year? Getting behind Topinka was a horrible move.
I personally never understood why some love him so much, especially given the fact that he had plenty of scandal in his own administration. Let’s face it, it was conventional wisdom at the time that he didn’t run for a 3rd term because he was worried about being a bigger target in the MSI investigation. Only he knows the real reason he didn’t run again (he said heart trouble at the time, now not a peep about the ticker), but I’m just saying that was the speculation out there, and MSI was a big scandal.
The Illinois GOP’s problem has always been that it’s stuck in the past. Nothing says the past like Edgar.
The GOP needs new blood. It’s certainly out there. The games just so dirty and unprofessional, most of the best people stay away.
Topinka’s exit helps a lot though. The nastiness factor just plummeted for Illinois politics.
Comment by Real Clear Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 2:35 pm
Justice wrote, “The not so nice thing about primaries is they tend to destroy those not directly connected to the cash vaults of a few controlling the Republican Party purse strings, and it’s campaigning membership army.”
Why not eliminate primary elections? Instant Runoff Voting can also be used to consolidate primaries into the regular election, if desired. This would save a lot of taxpayer money, as we wouldn’t need to rent the polling places, print the ballots, and hire the election judges a second time. Plus, it would discourage party raiding, because if you cross over to vote in another party’s “primary” you would also be voting for that candidate in the regular election.
Comment by Squideshi Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 2:37 pm
“If you truly believe in freedom of speech, of the press, of the 2nd amendment, of religion (or the right to not practice any at all), that the recent Kelo decision was horrible, and that it is none of the government’s business about 9 out of 10 of the things it always wants to know about everyone, then you’re considered more a part of the Right than the so-called “liberal†Left these days.” -Angie
You’re truly altered if you believe that. Seek medical attention immediately.
Comment by doubtful Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 3:19 pm
Sweet Jesus. It appears there is some misinformation among the contributors here. No one seems to let that stop them. Case in point, the GOP establishment didn’t run anyone in the primary because the were afraid of (or conspiring with, if you forgot your medicine) CMB. Yeah, real background for commenting here.
Edgar is probably the only R in this state today who could win a statewide election. Clear, you seem to have a problem with the fact that people like and trust him; doofus, that’s a big part of what makes him electable.
As to the future, we will struggle. Our primaries kill us, because our “base”, which has a major influence in our primary, constitues about 15 to 25% of the people who will vote in a statewide election (See Keyes numbers and his four counties [all of which were generally carried Edgar, Effingham and Jasper could be on the bubble depending on who his opponent was]).
The earlier point made about a fiscal/cultural conservative who doesn’t make the cultural issues the basis of the campaign is a good one. The great middle will vote for social conservatives as long as they believe those candidates are not seeking office to impose their values on the rest of us.
Unfortunately, the realities of our primaries frequently force those sorts of candidates (e.g., people like Brady) to talk too much about the cultural issues and scare people if they become the nominee. Brady is a good example, I believe, of someone who could appeal across a wide spectrum.
For the meantime, more people should accept the fact that there is no great passion in Illinois against business as usual. Fewer that half the registered voters even bothered to go to the polls. I know that has to kill the “goo-goos”, but there it is.
And, we should wish Governor Blagjevich “good luck” for the next four years.
Comment by steve schnorf Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 3:38 pm
Squideshi, ideas like that are why Greens never win anything.
Comment by Anon Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 3:57 pm
Angie–
From the perspective of a GOP committeman in a very conservative county, (Brady won here) the lack of support for Keyes among Republicans had more to do with the fact that he was Keyes than for any of his conservative issue positions. The first press conference he had, he alienated half his base talking about reparations for slavery. Idiot. Every time he opened his mouth he stuck his foot in it.
He was also resented for being brought in from another state, and for the perception that it was an “affirmative action” move. That’s not intended to be a racist comment, so don’t go all PC ballistic on me anybody, I’m just reporting the comments I got as I tried in futility to keep Obama from running away with it here.
Republicans win, not when they try to be Democrats, but when they offer a viable alternative. I think, as I guess Schnorf would agree, that intelligent-sounding, articulate conservatives who don’t scare the mod-libs and secular cons can win. Bill Brady is one. Roger Eddy is another, and there are others out there. (Oberweis most definitely is NOT one.) We need to get control of our party, run the crooks out, and raise up this new generation of people who can present a clear choice for voters– ideas for the future, and clean government.
If we can’t do that, we might as well reorganize the Whigs, because we’re headed the same way.
Comment by HoosierDaddy Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 4:20 pm
I just finished working as the downstate coordinator for Christine Radogno. People like Senator Radogno are the future of this party. We need middle-of-the-road budget hawks who propose logical ideas and run on experience and intelligence. The “next-in-line” ideology needs to stop! We need to take a page out of Gingrich’s Contract and not just go for the senior members to run for higher office.
We also did not do a very overall good job to show that we are not the Illinois extension of President Bush. Yes, it’s a cop-out for us to distance ourselves but it killed us! Good candidates and worthy challengers were beaten because many suburbanite and downstate voters associated our party with people like Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Chertoff, etc. Even though we are NOT an extension of the Bush Administration, we sure were spun as one. That was a death knell for the constitutional office races and the legislative races.
I won’t make any suggestions on how to recussitate the party. I don’t want to give my Dem friends any ideas! HAHA!
Comment by Matthew Pickett Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 4:28 pm
Some good, and not so good, comments already.
We did very well in ‘94. Peraica did very well in ‘06. He would have won (even with vote fraud) if it weren’t that most of both the moderates and conservatives have not learned from ‘94 and Peraica how to win.
1) Being “right” on the issues has little to do with it. It is how you define yourself; your opponent; and what the race is about. Peraica attracted many votes from those who disagree with him on many issues because he (and Dan Proft) were able to define what the race was about. It isn’t the fault of Peraica-Proft that the rest of us didn’t get it and didn’t do our part.
In contrast, Bean was able to define herself as the centrist with Scheuer and McSweeney as the extremists. McSweeney’s campaign made a major mistake in not early in the campaign creating the right image. McSweeney didn’t define himself at all. Bean did.
There are 3 things in politics: Money, people, and the brains to know what to do with them. Both IL GOP conservatives and moderates (with a few exceptions) lack that 3rd ingredient.
Comment by spintreebob Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 4:33 pm
Bill Brady? Oberweiss? Like we need more self-serving RINOs.
Comment by Dark Knight Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 4:34 pm
Why does Schnorf keep saying “our party” in regards to the Republican party? he’s a contributor to Mike Madigan. Just wondering…
Comment by Sloopy Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 4:36 pm
Ravenswood Right Winger has the very best plan, except for the part about throwing out Edgar.
Comment by Calypso Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 4:37 pm
Two words-
Get Nieuked.
Comment by Establishment Republican Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 5:20 pm
Elginarea: Edgar would return to power the same senior staffers responsible for the MSI scandal. You might forget it was Edgar’s willingness to look the other way that allowed his staff to approve contracts that made some people millions in cash payments for little or no work. This went to the very top of his government and campaign staffs. Edgar personally accepted use of laptop computers and campaign office supplies from these same contractors. While his behavior was executed in the low-key Edgar style, his knowing negligence that allowed particular staff members to arrange the above matters was not unlike George Ryan’s loose supervision of Fawell. Edgar is lucky the prosecution did a poor job on its first trial on the matter, although members of Edgar’s senior staff appeared on the public list of unindicted co-conspirators released by the prosecutors. It will not surprize you to learn the already-public information that he is a co-investor with at least one of the individuals named in the recent Levine guilty plea. His uncertain, emotional pleading to the cameras this year when he was considering running for Governor was sad, and a pathetic game to maintain his public relevance. It severely damaged GOP chances by preventing those truly interested in running from fund-raising in a businesslike manner. He is not bad to the core, but an example of a politician that stayed too long, attained the good life via the public budget, and toward the end of his career let his ethical judgement slip. Let’s move on, and be happy with him that he has departed elective politics for good.
Comment by Chad Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 5:38 pm
Cultivate normal, new, fresh faces to present to the public while waiting for Blago to crash and burn. When Rezko gets done squealing like a piggy, Obama and a few other Dems will be tarnished (read - cooked gooses) and the field should open up. Hope they can work with Governor Lisa.
NO Repubs from DuPage either. OK Joe?
Comment by Buck Flagojevich Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 5:48 pm
I think first thing that Republicans have to do is realize that they aren’t going to dominate the collar county white vote anymore. The GOP has to bring a stronger party to Chicago and Cook county. Making inroads with the anti-machine democrats is a priority. I think, in 2008, the GOP needs to run a black candidate against Durbin. And in 2010 there needs to be two black candidates running for statewide office. Let’s face it, this was the perfect time for the southern Illinois democrats to come out and support the GOP, and it didn’t happen. So, I think that trying to deal with them is useless.
Comment by Lovie's Leather Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 5:54 pm
Maybe you Rs ought to quit complaining and whining and come up with some ideas to run the state better. You atacked Clinton for now 14 years and he is now stronger than ever you have attacked Blago for 5 years and he got relected, and quit treating the majority of voters like you know what is better for them then they do so listen to you’ll, nobodys buying it why dont you quit selling it and try something new.
Comment by anonymous again Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 5:56 pm
Clinton stronger than ever??? right… I know a total meltdown on national TV is obviously stronger than ever. He just can’t seem to figure out why there are two sets of questions… one for him and one for the GOP. Gosh… maybe because you were president for 8 years before George W was….
Anyway, where can I get statewide state house and senate results? I am having trouble finding them.
Comment by Lovie's Leather Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 6:08 pm
The old white men that were in charge for so long guarded their power too closely and never allowed a meaningful follow-up replacement generation. A great boss is always working on training his own replacement, so he himself can move up. What we had here was an ossified skeleton’s clammy death-grip on the power and no fresh blood coming in. You shut out women, you shut out minorities and ethnicities. You all held on too tight too long and lost your grip when it went numb. With no strong intergenerational approach, you were wide open to predation by the extreme far wings of your party.
This election on the national level represented a “throw the bums out” movement, and a desire for a clean slate. So, like many have said, re-build your bench, starting at the bottom. Start in the colleges, with idealistic students as well as academics, get them engaged in driving the new party agendas, in finding a new path. Don’t be afraid to consider the advice of professors as much as CEO’s. Build the organization on a few solid, easy to understand concepts or rules. Start with aldermen, with judges, with board members. Let them get experience, then help push them up a level every cycle. As you grow these seeds, also plant the beginnings of their funding networks.
Tactically, One thing they can do now is maintain a constant pressure as “the loyal opposition”. That means lots of perss conferences and meetings with editors and jopurnalists and putting out commercials on a regular basis explaining what Rod is lying to the folks about at the moment. Yes, campaign spots with no campaigns in sight. Not overly negative, but frank and clear refutations and indicatios of alternatives. You want to get mindshare during a battle over a policy issue, you’re going to have to take your arguments direct to the people.
And what people are those? The ever-growing ranks of the senior citizens, who are natural conservatives, should be your biggest base, but Rod dazzled them with a lot of PR nonsense. Now, as Part d and medication costs and high utilities on a fixed income all start being felt by these people, you should be out in their midst, working them while working with them, to see to their issues. You won’t truly be considered inclusive though until your candidates start looking more like the voters they represent.
Comment by Pink elephant Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 6:19 pm
Tne best hope for the Republican party is Bill Brady, anything less and we vote third party AGAIN.
Comment by The Conservative Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 6:46 pm
Appoinnt Jim Edgar to be to your transition team before you are elected. Get Alan Keyes to run for somthing.
Repulicans just don’t get it, and I love it. LOL
Comment by (618) Democrat Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 6:56 pm
Dark Knight– Brady and Oberweis are RINOs? Whatever you are smoking, don’t bogart it!
Comment by HoosierDaddy Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 7:25 pm
obi cant even win the primary.. how did he expect to win the general.. obi would have lost general by 30pts.
Comment by Tony Soprano Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 7:31 pm
Many in Kane County will debate the question of whether Pat Perez deserved to win the 2006 election, but we should agree that the Williams campaign and the Kane GOP, filled with opportunists, deserved to lose.
Through its own malfeasance and incompetence, the Kane GOP lost the Kane County Sheriff’s election, the prize of Kane County elected positions. For many years this office was the engine of antagonism aimed at the County Board and home to the much-maligned daily budget woes. Pat Perez needed only to capitalize on the incompetence demonstrated by the Williams campaign and the Kane GOP to capture the Sheriff’s race, and he passed that mark handily, like a Kane County Eagle running back carrying the ball past the end zone, into the locker room and all the way to the parking lot. Then, shortly after the local election results were posted, the nation fell into the Dem column like one enormous freedom-fry.
Pat Perez wanted this election to be a referendum on Ken Ramsey and the Kane GOP. Despite deplorable and meek efforts by the Williams campaign and the Kane GOP to make the election a choice between two parties, Pat Perez succeeded in making it a thumbs-up or thumbs-down on just one: the Kane GOP.
And so, the Williams campaign was destined to fail. The GOP has been in power in Kane County, including our representation in Congress, promising lean government, and it has become the party that needs to learn how to push its fat self away from the dinner table and all those good lobbyist-paid meals.
To whom can we assign blame? Opportunists in Kane County, especially in the Kane GOP, have been drying their gunpowder for years, just waiting to inaugurate “their†candidate into power. “Jobs for all†is the rallying cry for these bottom feeders. Forget job qualifications; just put another “sinecure†in the position.
It’s also true that the outgoing Kane County Sheriff is unpopular; that’s because the office budget and morale have not gone well. If it were otherwise, the Sheriff’s office would be a political boon to the Kane GOP, and to the multitudes of opportunists looking for a headline or a do-nothing job on staff. The fact is that it is not the opportunist’s position to botch and election, especially since they need jobs to satisfy their insatiable hunger. And while we’re on this point, corruption and cronyism are core to the opportunist’s platform.
Indeed, if the conservative base hadn’t been disgusted with the ILGOP leadership, and if so many Democrats hadn’t run as social conservatives, Kevin Williams might have done just fine in this election.
Republicans lost because they behaved like self-indulgent opportunists, not purists. Opportunists care a lot about county jobs and recognition, so that’s where we’ll assign blame.
Comment by Dundee Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:04 pm
Expelling Jim Oberweis from the party might be a good first step.
His anti-immigrant hysteria cost the party a lot of hispanic support. If Republicans are going to be competitive they have to take at least half the hispanic vote.
For the sake of the party, Oberweis should sit down and shut up.
Comment by Jackie Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:07 pm
Bottom line is this,
Chicago calls the shots. If you can’t carry chi-town, your doomed.
The R’s next opportunity will be after Lisa and when the Dems run a canidate that the mayor doesn’t like, for example Poshard.
Next time the Dems split a primary and send up a dem that Daley can’t work with will be the next opportunity for a R gov.
Until then, it is hopeless.
Comment by Daxx Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:12 pm
Not sure that the hangover days are the best time to come up with a plan for the future…so I’ll just respond to other comments.
Brady is a RINO? And as much as I can’t stand Oberweis, how can you call him a RINO? Please try to understand the acronym before using it.
As for the earlier comment regarding Schock and not letting him be tainted by the current Rep. leadership…too late. Schock has already buddied up with Hastert, Rutherford, Cross and the boys.
It’s great to talk about future direction, but I honestly think it’s too soon. It’s times like these that lead teh ILGOP to think that Oberweis and Keyes are good candidates.
Comment by the wonderboy Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 8:21 pm
As semi hard core dem on national races and a cross voter on local issues and candidates, I can tell you, if you would have put up someone who was an original, not attached to the old party I would have voted for them. Reading the rants about Rod going to jail soon and all the other rhetoric did not help. Not when the last republican governor is in jail. This seems to be a fact often over looked by many party faithful while they throw stones. Also the Keys mess and JBT having a hand in that was a large factor. Indeed there is hypocrite in my vote. Why did many of us hold Bush responsible for the war yet not Rod for the mess here? 6 years Vs 4? Weak excuse. However, the facts cannot be ignored. The country spoke loud and clear for change, yet Illinois kept the status que. From Smikus to Rod. Look to the future, beyond our own back yards. More in the middle.
Comment by Krispy Kreme Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 9:14 pm
Well said, KrispyKreme. I wish that you and like-minded Dems could join with me and like-minded Repubs and sort this mess out. I suppose Poshard’s too old to run?
One platform we voters ought to demand is:
– Term Limits (sweep em out by force)
– Campaign Contribution Limits
– Ethics laws (no ex legislators for lobbyists and no gifts from lobbyists or state contractors, period)
– ‘None of the above’ ballot choice
VOTE WHIG, WIN IN ‘10!
Comment by HoosierDaddy Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 9:36 pm
Lincoln would be proud to live in a blue state.
Comment by anon Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:04 pm
Anon 6:34 - It is not the democrat party but the Demoncratic party.
Comment by Way Northsider Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:25 pm
I think that we need to find good candidates who have a proven track record and who will represent the GOP well. Right now all we have are a lot of has beens who are there to promote each other or fight among themselves. Forget Topinka, Cross, Ryan, Murphy, even Roskam. Find good diverse candidates - young candidates who can give energy to the party and to the state.
Comment by MinGOP Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:32 pm
We need new blood in the Illinois Republican Party. Lets form a new GOP Party - get rid of the old established guard -
Comment by NEWGOP Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:33 pm
Obviously the Republican party won’t do it but, until they stop opposing a woman’s right to choose, gun control and equal rights for all, they can do little else to succeed. Thus, they are doomed to fail. It is the policy positions and the paucity of ideas, not the poor quality of candidates that are at fault.
Comment by Way Northsider Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:34 pm
Its both though -policy is one thing but we don’t have the right candidates who are prepared, who can inspire others and who can lead. If Topinka is our best candidate to run against Blago and Edgar was the one that we wished would run - we are in deep trouble. Look across the board at our Republican Candidates - the only person that was close to even beating their opponent was Radogno and partly its because Madigan hates Alexi. (Can you blame him?)
We need LEADERSHIP!!!!! Right now we don’t have any. Not McKenna, not Roskam, not Murphy, not Topinka.
Comment by MinGOP Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:38 pm
Where are the good minority candidates in the party - how about an African American, a Hispanic or even an Asian person running- something different. It may be good to have an Asian at the helm of the party - something different.
Comment by NEWGOP Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 10:52 pm
To Honest Abe and fellow travellers -
Illinois will not elect a true conservative to statewide office - period - end of statement. And, for that matter, Illinois will never elect a true liberal governor, either. US Senator, yes, but not Governor. Illinoisians want practical people - and that means conservatives who think the answer to all problems is banning abortion and allowing concealed carry will get creamed. In 1986, Judy Koehler got about 35% against Alan Dixon. In 2004, Keyes got 27%. Face it, barring 4 candidates, a dead candidate, or the mythological live little boy / dead lady in bed, a conservative cannot get elected statewide. Conservatives need to enter into a REAL relationship with the moderates and business interests, not the fake one Thompson / Edgar / Ryan / Cellini / Kjellander sold them. And until they do, the only way a Dem loses is due to scandal.
Comment by Smitty Irving Thursday, Nov 9, 06 @ 11:13 pm
Hoosier Daddy, I’d add one more thing. Recall initiative.
Comment by Levois Friday, Nov 10, 06 @ 12:00 am
[Start in the colleges, with idealistic students as well as academics, get them engaged in driving the new party agendas, in finding a new path.]
Start in the colleges??? Are you nuts? You get two choices in the colleges and universities:
1. Left
2. Even farther Left.
Where the heck are they going to find mentors to work with when all of the academics are out there constantly trying to convert them to more and more Leftism?
Academia is the LAST place to look towards.
I just transferred schools to go to a better one and get a fancier name on my degree, turning down a fully renewable scholarship that I won from a school within 20 minutes driving distance of my house, and it was because I took business-oriented courses and instead had to listen to some schmoe ramble on and on an on about how America is a racist, sexist, homophobic, ecocidal Satan. My whole class gave the idiot completely negative reviews, and they invited him to come back and teach more classes! If this is how they run the business programs, then what does that say?
No one learned much, it was all someone’s personal political and social agenda, and so I have no faith in the answer being found in academia.
Comment by Angie Friday, Nov 10, 06 @ 12:21 am
Perhaps trying to talk some sense into the liberals on some key issues might help. I mean, if we’re going to have them in charge of Illinois, then perhaps the only solution is to get them debating some stuff amongst themselves until hopefully, some more sensible centrist D’s decide to put some common sense into action.
Let’s all infiltrate their sphere of influence, pose as D’s, and argue the worst positions (the 2nd Amendment is outdated or money grows on trees and can fund every program they dream up from now until all eternity, for just a couple of examples).
The stealth strategy. Divide from within!
Just an idea, albeit a tad Machiavellian.: )
Comment by Angie (post-script) Friday, Nov 10, 06 @ 12:30 am
1. Bob Kjellander
2. Jim Edgar
3. Brenda Edgar
Until they are out of the picture, there is no hope for the party. None whatsoever.
Comment by T.J. Friday, Nov 10, 06 @ 6:49 am
posted by GW a while back was a comment calling on getting the YR and CR’s involved. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS PARTY NEEDS TO DO. The YR’s are the future of this party like it or not, and given the massive failures of the old guard our time to lead is now. Perhaps next time before employees of the IL GOP call the YR’s useless they should ask what exactly their great use has been this year. Now is the time to shape the future of this party and for all of those who truly want to save it, start working with those younger generations. Thanks GW for hitting the nail on the head.
Comment by BW Friday, Nov 10, 06 @ 9:08 am
Based on this last election it seems simple to me - Raise more $$$. It is obvious, and sad, that the candidate with the most $$$ wins.
Comment by Toxman Friday, Nov 10, 06 @ 9:44 am
Anon 3:57 wrote, “Squideshi, ideas like that are why Greens never win anything.”
No. Fear of the so-called “spoiler effect” is what prevents most people from voting Green. In regard to Instant Runoff Voting, it was undefeated in 2006. To quote the Center for Voting and Democracy, “Since instant runoff voting’s ground-breaking win in March 2002 in San Francisco, it has been on the ballot in eight cities and counties. The result? 8-0.”
Comment by Squideshi Friday, Nov 10, 06 @ 11:03 am
Hey! It was the Republicans who threw out these RINO’s. The fact JBT was put into place by Edgar (that means Jim Thompson, celini, Kejellander…etc) They were fed up! For years the base did as it was told those days are over. the problem we as the GOP base has is the media. This moderation talk is from the most liberal democratic people in the country and we as the GOP are supposed to listen? The Chicago Tribune is as bad as Mayor Daley in their liberal views. Less than 10 days before the primary they released a poll saying Oberweis was down 15 points! As we know it was under7 does that hurt a campaign? The Tribune is pro illegal immigration, pro choice, pro gay rights anti traditional marriage and yet it is seen as a Republican paper?
THE GOP AS WE KNEW IT IS DEAD! Now it is time to get out and let people know that there are people and candidate who actually believe in something , not stuffing their pockets
Comment by RAI Friday, Nov 10, 06 @ 12:10 pm
Lincoln is the GOP
Comment by Tedbaxter Friday, Nov 10, 06 @ 6:02 pm
“Lincoln is the GOP.”
Perhaps that makes sense… the GOP, like Lincoln, is dead.
Comment by anon Friday, Nov 10, 06 @ 10:24 pm
Sloopy, I now see two differences between us. One, I post under my real name, while you don’t. Two, I learned long ago that neither party has a monopoly on virtue or good people. Mike Madigan would be welcome in my Republican Party (not that he would ever take me up on it), and if you know anything about him you’ll know why I say that.
I’ve voted for every Republican candidate for President, starting with Richard Nixon. I’ve voted for every Republican candidate for Governor of this state at least since Ogilvie, I’ve voted in every Republican primary since at least ‘76. I’ve walked precincts, worked at headquarters, contributed money, but I make no bones about believing that, at this moment,right now in Illinois, “Thank God for Michael J. Madigan”. He may be all that stands between us and the abyss.
Comment by steve schnorf Friday, Nov 10, 06 @ 11:10 pm
Instead of looking at doing what is best for “the party,” how about looking at doing what is best for “the people?” I am a long time Republican, and the Dems have done very well with this. They are in touch with the voters. They know what they want, and they cater to them.
I think Ray LaHood said this - revamp and return the power to the State Central Committee. Stop with the highest ranking statewide official being the standard-bearer. Get it back towards a grass-roots level and get in touch with the voters.
Say what you want about the Democrats, but they won. They must be doing something right.
Comment by Middle Road "R" Saturday, Nov 11, 06 @ 10:43 am
Does anyone really care what Jim Oberweis thinks or says? Back to the drawing board.
Comment by Confused Republican Sunday, Nov 12, 06 @ 8:19 pm