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* The takeaway for me here is that Mayor Rahm Emanuel wants to remind Gov. Bruce Rauner that he also has wealthy friends who will side with him in any war. Greg Hinz quotes some folks talking smack about Rauner’s inability to get a budget deal on background, but then turns to Ty Fahner…
But a few will speak for the record. One of those is Tyrone Fahner, a rock-ribbed Republican who once served as Illinois attorney general and now heads the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club, which represents the state’s biggest corporations.
“Not having a budget is harmful to the interests of the state,” says Fahner, echoing almost verbatim recent comments by Madigan. “What the state needs now is for the speaker and the governor to sit down and govern.”
But what about all of the changes in things like workers’ compensation and collective bargaining that Rauner is demanding as the price of a budget deal?
“He has a long term—three more years—to push (the rest of) his agenda,” Fahner says. “But things would be better if we had a budget.”
Fahner has reportedly been saying the same thing in private for a while now, but nobody has been able to convince him to come forward.
* But keep this in mind…
Rauner, who pretty much paid for his own election campaign, may not care about the carping, says one insider wise in the ways of gubernatorial politics. “When a guy doesn’t give a damn about where he’s going to get his financial support, he can do what he wants,” that source says. Hedge-fund mogul and fellow master of the universe Ken Griffin “could walk into the room and tell Bruce he’s worried, and Rauner would throw him out. . . .He doesn’t give a [expletive deleted] about what anyone else thinks.”
* And, remember, Rauner has some very thick strings he can pull, too…
A state labor panel said last week that it will hold a hearing later this month on a complaint from the Chicago Teachers Union alleging Chicago Public Schools has failed to make good on salary increases mandated in a contract that expired June 30.
A ruling against the cash-strapped school district could force CPS to pay union members about $26 million in back pay, CPS said in papers filed with the Illinois Educational Labor Relations Board.
The labor board said it will also hear the CTU’s allegation that the district has refused to enter into a final stage of contract talks known as fact-finding, which is required before a strike can take place. The CTU said the district’s stance violated state law and constituted an unfair labor practice.
Discuss.
posted by Rich Miller
Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 8:59 am
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Governor Rauner hasn’t given a [crap] about what anyone else thinks since November 4, 2014, at which time he could take the wraps off his agenda again.
Comment by thunderspirit Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 9:03 am
Political spendin is a bottomless pit. Will the uber rich get tired of throwing their money around?
Comment by Liberty Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 9:04 am
Great quote about Rauner and how he couldn’t give a crap about what people think. That is very evident to anyone with a brain and a pulse. Sad, but so true.
Comment by Big Joe Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 9:08 am
“He doesn’t give a ████ about what anyone else thinks.”
He.
Does.
Not.
Care.
– MrJM
Comment by @MisterJayEm Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 9:11 am
As the barn burned brightly that dark cold January night, it illuminated the grinning face of the man standing away from the panicked farmers, the crying children and the stampeding animals.
As he leaped and laughed at the hellish spectacle, he no longer noticed his kerosene stained quivering hands.
“I win!” he whispered joyfully.
“I win! It serves them right to have depended upon that old weathered building. I told them it was a fire trap and endangered everyone! Look at them running! Look at their shocked faces! Look at how foolish they look with their tears and wails.”
“The fools!”, the mad man thought to himself. “They don’t deserve me.”
Comment by VanillaMan Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 9:12 am
What the state needs now is for the speaker and the governor to sit down and govern.
Let me translate this.
“what we need is for the Gov. to cave in, like Republicans always have in IL”.
Rauner simply won’t play that game. That’s the root cause of why Madigan won’t negotiate. He is used to “negotiations” that are really dictation with a little face saving thrown in.
Real negotiations are not what he is used to, or wants to do.
Comment by Pat C Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 9:13 am
Governors need budgets.
They fund their agencies.
They put a real figure and show the true commitment to projects.
How a governor spends, doesn’t spend. What a governor will cut, or what a governor will increase.
It’s a lone document that can show the true “measure” of a governor’s priorities.
A signed budget shows that a governor CAN work with the legislature to pass a document to do all those things I’ve described above.
It’s shows skill, it’s shows savvy, it really shows an honest commitment to fulfill the duties of the office, and the commitment to all a governor’s appointees to he missions of state agencies, and to ensure those appointees and the agencies function to make a better Illinois… as any governor would want… through their own blueprint of spending abd prioritizing through… a passed and signed budget.
It’s a task of responsibility.
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 9:13 am
- Pat C -
Rauner is holding the budget hostage.
This discussion isn’t about the budget, it’s about Rauner holding up the budget for the Turnaround Agenda.
Rauber isn’t negotiating a budget.
===He has a long term—three more years—to push (the rest of) his agenda,” Fahner says. “But things would be better if we had a budget.”===
Please, - Pat C -, do keep up.
Thanks.
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 9:18 am
If you ever wondered what a Trump presidency would look like…
Comment by Hedley Lamarr Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 9:20 am
OW - There’s a fallacy in your argument. It assumes that Rauner wants to govern. I’m not so sure that he does.
Comment by Pundent Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 9:22 am
==what we need is for the Gov. to cave in, like Republicans always have in IL==
Let’s assume for the sake of argument that this is an accurate way of viewing the situation. At some point the damage done exceeds the most optomist predictions of the benefits associated with ending the “status quo”. By several measures we are already at that point, which makes the Governor’s strategy ridiculous.
Comment by AC Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 9:23 am
- Prudent -
I asked the Governor and the Administration to do THREE things, three, then “Year One” would be a unmitigated success;
A FY2015 Solution
A FY2016 passed and signed Budget
Labor Peace
Welp…
The “Good Friday Massacre” cuts just about wiped out all the good faith the agreement of FY2015 Fix had… then Rep. Ken Dunkin made sure good faith would continue to be an open wound…
No state budget, being held hostage with hostages being released user the pressuring whim of polling or caving by the governor…
No AFSCME Agreement.
I don’t assume what the governor wants to do, I look at my list of “needs” any governor being sworn in last January had… and see how they worked to get those need done.
If there’s anything false, it’s Rauner pretending there’s a budget stalemate, when in reality it’s a Turnaround Agenda impasse.
With respect, as always.
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 9:31 am
The quote about Griffin contains some hyperbole. I’d suggest Griffin isn’t worried, so no such occurrence would take place even hypothetically. But it did allow a dude to sneak in a cuss in the normally pristine CF! lol
Comment by A guy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 9:31 am
The governor is using his office to willfully sabotage state government and cause harm to groups of citizens in order to advance an agenda that would do harm to other groups of citizens.
Once you’ve crossed that line, the whole “caring” issue has been answered. It’s just a rich guy playing with the toy he bought.
Comment by wordslinger Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 9:39 am
It all comes down to your definition of a governor–is he or she an operational or strategic chief executive? A governor who governs at the level of operations tries to improve the performance and efficiency of existing governmental structures and policies, but always within a broad consensus view of what government’s basic role should be. All recent Illinois governors of both parties,except Rauner, have been operational governors.
A strategic governor, on the other hand, seeks to change the basic underlying structures and political philosophy of government. Rauner, with his Turnaround Agenda, is the first strategic Illinois governor in our lifetimes. His struggle is made all the more difficult by the deeply entrenched nature of Illinois institutions.
Comment by Quiet Sage Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 9:42 am
My impression during the campaign was that Rauner was promising to fundamentally change the way the state does business. He was promising - directly or indirectly - to do battle with Madigan.
Sure, it’s painful, but as some are fond of saying, elections have consequences. The only surprise is that a Republican governor is performing as promised. So, for those who don’t like what he’s doing, beat him at the ballot box. Then things can comfortably return to the status quo.
Comment by Junior Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 9:51 am
Call it whatever you want (hostage) but I believe Turnaround Agenda items are absolutely tied to the budget. Without workers comp, prevailing wage and, yes, some union concessions, IL is continuing down that same path. Remember the definition of insane-doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
Comment by justacitizen Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 9:58 am
I would argue that both Olgilvie and Walker fundamentally changed the state operationally compared to previous administrations. And that wasn’t that long ago for us old timers.
Comment by RNUG Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:01 am
===Then things can comfortably return to the status quo.===
Ugh.
Having a budget isn’t a “status quo” it’s a function, abd needed for the state to function.
If you believe…
“@RonSandack: I’m frustrated 2, but taking steps towards reforming IL more important than short term budget stalemate.”
… this isn’t dorm room, Sophmore Year waiting for pizza to arrive.
===Sure, it’s painful, but as some are fond of saying, elections have consequences. ===
Then Rauner owns the pain. If Rauner brings the pain, then Rauner owns the pain, not Madigan. Rauner is choosing the pain, including having no budget.
Can’t have it both ways.
Please, keep up.
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:02 am
Rauner, with his Turnaround Agenda, is the first strategic Illinois governor in our lifetimes.
Speak for yourself. I’m over the age of 8.
Comment by VanillaMan Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:02 am
- justacitizen -
Then Rauner owns the pain.
Rauner’s choice.
See, elections have consequences, and choices have consequences too…
Hold a budget up for the Turnaround Agenda? Ok. Then Rauner owns the fallout.
Can NOT have it both ways.
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:04 am
Willy, again you start a conversation with disrespect. Shocking.
No doubt, Rauner ain’t gonna deal on the budget until Madigan deals on the turnaround agenda. Any third grader knows that. Not doing so is tantamount to caving in on the turnaround agenda, given that Madigan would never allow it to hit the floor. Do try to keep up.
Comment by Junior Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:14 am
===Rauner ain’t gonna deal on the budget until Madigan deals on the turnaround agenda. Any third grader knows that. Not doing so is tantamount to caving in on the turnaround agenda, given that Madigan would never allow it to hit the floor.===
If Rauner can’t get 60 or 30, that’s on Rauner, not on Madigan.
You do know how government works… right? lol
===Rauner ain’t gonna deal on the budget until Madigan deals on the turnaround agenda. Any third grader knows that. Not doing so is tantamount to caving in on the turnaround agenda, given that Madigan would never allow it to hit the floor.===
Then Rauner owns every child hurt, every vendor not paid, every worker laid off, every business leavibg now…
Governors own, they always do.
Rauner has no 60 House votes. Rauner has no 30 Senate votes.
Rauner causes the pain, Rauner is to blame. As Kristen McQueary would say; “Simple”
Please, seriously, keep up.
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:19 am
–Not doing so is tantamount to caving in on the turnaround agenda, given that Madigan would never allow it to hit the floor.–
LOL, hit the floor? Are you kidding? Have you not been paying any attention at all these months?
It must be pretty cold under that bridge where you live today.
Comment by wordslinger Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:20 am
Willy - you’ll be pleased, then, right? Rauner’s making a complete mess of the situation and will be throttled at the ballot box. The status quo will live on, which is the whole idea, eh?
If those who are against Rauner’s agenda are sure he’s sealing his own political demise, they should be celebrating his actions. The carping are signs of fear.
Comment by Junior Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:27 am
-Junior-
Rauner ain’t gonna deal on the budget until Madigan agrees to slit his own throat. There fixed it for you.
And we wait.
Comment by Pundent Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:28 am
Junior- I think it’s more shocking to engage in behavior that costs people jobs, childcare, shelter, I could go on and on. OW is simply debating an issue. Gov. Rauner is single handedly dismantling a state. Just wait until a strike or lockout hits. There are a LOT LOT LOT, thousands of people who will instantly not get foodstamp, medical, cash benefits. Why? Because is takes a heck of a lot of caseworkers fixing and maintaining cases, approving redeterminations and initial benefits. In days, THOUSANDS would be on the streets of the Metro East, Decator, and South Chicago. That’s what the Illinois National Guard was for. It was not to replace workers. Just sayin, OW has great points. GOP folks had better listen to him. Labor for Gods sakes listens to him. I know that for a fact.
Comment by Honeybear Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:33 am
===they should be celebrating his actions.===
Has the pizza arrived? Did you remember a coupon?
The idea is to have a budget. I had three simple things for Rauner to accomplish. Here we are. The state needs a budget, not hostages or hurting the people if Illinois to decimate unions.
===The carping are signs of fear.===
So you’re cool without a budget? Geez, that dorm room needs to open a window.
Gov. Edgar wasn’t carping, neither is Fahner. I’m embarrassed for you that you think a budget being held hostage and trying to get a budget without hostages is… carping.
===Rauner’s making a complete mess of the situation and will be throttled at the ballot box. The status quo will live on, which is the whole idea, eh?===
It’s like you really don’t understand… at all.
People are suffering atvthe hands of Rauner and his thirst of destroying unions, and if he can’t destroy, others will feel pain.
Wow.
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:34 am
==I believe Turnaround Agenda items are absolutely tied to the budget==
==Remember the definition of insane-doing the same thing and expecting a different result.==
Are you assuming that Rauner’s “Turnaround Agenda” is the only way to change things?
I’m really getting tired of the mantra that if you don’t support the “Turnaround Agenda” you are for the status quo.
Comment by Demoralized Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:36 am
Junior
You do realize that it is possible to reject the status quo without embracing Rauner’s agenda right? You seem to be arguing that governing (which Rauner was elected to do) is somehow unconscionable.
Comment by Pundent Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:37 am
Word - I suspect you know a lot about the process. Enough to know that in politics people use the tools available. Your peeps have been doing it for a long time - effectively, I might add. Rauner’s just doing the same. No worries, you’ll beat him at the ballot box.
As an aside, why the anger? Rauner’s people are gonna smell fear.
Comment by Junior Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:38 am
Honeybear - this state has a deplorable record of unemployment and economic misery for many years. Thousands of the unemployed have had to receive government assistance or leave the state. If only there was concern for them…..
Comment by Junior Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:42 am
===As an aside, why the anger? Rauner’s people are gonna smell fear.
===
Because real people are being hurt by an agenda that doesn’t have 60 or 30 votes to pass. It’s like the lack of understanding seeps in every point.
(Banned Word).
===I’m really getting tired of the mantra that if you don’t support the “Turnaround Agenda” you are for the status quo.===
Well said - Demoralized - and On Point - Prudent -
(Tips cap to - Honeybear -)
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:43 am
Willy - “the idea is to have a budget”. To you, sure. Rauner’s idea is to implement a comprehensive plan that will improve the state’s economic situation in the long run. You are fully aware of this - you’re too smart not to be.
Comment by Junior Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:50 am
===Rauner’s idea is to implement a comprehensive plan that will improve the state’s economic situation in the long run.===
… without a single measurable way… to show… how the Turnaround Agenda will improve the state.
The only measure? No more Unions.
Then Rauner personally owns the mess. You’re even saying so.
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:53 am
==Hold a budget up for the Turnaround Agenda? Ok. Then Rauner owns the fallout.===
OW-I disagree. If you accept the premise that the budget and turnaround agenda items are related, then Dems should be willing to compromise. I think Rauner is willing to compromise even if not given full TA but Madigan is not.
Comment by justacitizen Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:55 am
Willy - Rauner’s stance on this stuff was known before the election. Real people have been hurt for many years by the current policies enacted by previous administrations of both parties. You’re late with the concern meme.
Comment by Junior Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 10:59 am
Let’s be clear here. Rauner, prior to the general election, drastically toned down his rhetoric. He also made carefully tailored speeches to the different audiences. In general, he hid his agenda and lied. The media didn’t call him on it.
Comment by RNUG Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:05 am
Just - you are right, but Madigan can’t agree to the turnaround agenda without angering those who write the checks. That’s the reason for the whole “they’re separate issues” meme.
Comment by Junior Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:05 am
===Rauner’s stance on this stuff was known before the election===
Hmm.
===– “Pushing any specific labor regulation is not my priority at all,” he (Rauner) told Illinois Radio Network less than a month before voters went to the polls. Four months later, he unveiled the Turnaround Agenda.–===
Are you willfully ignorant or blissfully unaware? lol.
I’m guessing willfully ignorant, as - RNUG - points out in his comment above.
=== You’re late with the concern meme.===
Nah. Either you’re new here or don’t read what I’ve commented here. Again, that’s on you.
===I think Rauner is willing to compromise even if not given full TA but Madigan is not.===
The Rauner “poison pills” say otherwise…
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:09 am
Sorry I fed it. I shouldn’t have. My apologies.
Comment by Honeybear Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:10 am
===Madigan can’t agree to the turnaround agenda without angering those who write the checks. That’s the reason for the whole “they’re separate issues” meme.===
Nope. Not even close.
It’s obky true if Rauner has 60 and 30 to pass the Turnaround Agenda.
Willfully ignorant.
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:11 am
–I suspect you know a lot about the process. Enough to know that in politics people use the tools available. Your peeps have been doing it for a long time - effectively, I might add. Rauner’s just doing the same. No worries, you’ll beat him at the ballot box.–
I have no idea what any of that is supposed to communicate. I don’t speak troll.
I was commenting on a silly thing you said about Madigan being afraid of Rauner’s agenda “hitting the floor.”
That reveals you’re not paying any attention at all and are clueless. Yet yammer on you do.
Comment by wordslinger Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:14 am
“It’s only true if Rauner has 60 and 30 to pass the Turnaround Agenda. Rauner has neither to pass it.”
Apologies
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:15 am
Yes, honeybear, anyone who has a different point of view is a troll not to be fed. What you’re feeding is an echo chamber.
Comment by Junior Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:18 am
Willy - Madigan is doing all this because he’s opposed to the turnaround agenda on the merits. And I am willfully ignorant….
Comment by Junior Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:23 am
- Honeybear -, no worries.
Trolls are gonna troll. I can’t wait for the “30 years of Madigan Rule” once the pizza runs out.
To the Post,
Fahner is pointing out the lack of legislative support that exists and Rauner needs to move on and if Rauner gets more Democratic Raunerites and wins more Pure Raunerite seats, Rauner has three years to get that support.
Rauner lacks the votes. Rauner needs a budget.
If you’re a Rauner appointee, and you run on of his agencies, how is it “swell” that the person who appointed you refuses to fund your agency’s mission?
That’s exactky what’s going on, BTW.
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:24 am
===Madigan is doing all this because he’s opposed to the turnaround agenda on the merits. And I am willfully ignorant….===
What are the measurable benefits? What is the ROI? What is the true fiscal impact?
===And I am willfully ignorant….===
Unless you have the measurables to show where Madigan is wrong and holding up measurable ROI for destroying unions, which even Gov. Rauner hasn’t submitted, yes, to answer your/my question.
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:28 am
“If you accept the premise that the budget and turnaround agenda items are related, then Dems should be willing to compromise. I think Rauner is willing to compromise even if not given full TA but Madigan is not.”
That’s the thing. Many of us do not accept that premise. One is essential to governing. The other is a wish list. They are only linked because someone is willing to hold the essential hostage in order to get the wish list. If you make unreasonable demands, removing some of those demands isn’t really compromise.
Comment by There is power in a union... Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:33 am
Back to the topic, it’s absolutely true that big business ABHORS insecurity! If things seem unstable now just wait till the labor Ragnarok blows up. Man oh man do the corporations hate instability like that. THEN you will see corporate headquarters moving and the final collapse will have begun. See I’m a big believer in strong divided government. We have to have strong Republicans to balance Democrats. Problem is we now have a purchased Raunerite party. Same thing is happening with Trump. GOP is becoming unstable and big business is starting to get really worried. I don’t blame them. With the current bifurcation, corporations look like the bad guys buying elections and subverting democracy.
Comment by Honeybear Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:40 am
Let’s say Rauner de-links the turnaround agenda from the budget. Let’s further assume a budget then passes, and all items on the turnaround agenda go nowhere. At that point Rauner is painted as ineffectual, unable to effect change on the system.
Perhaps this isn’t so if Madigan gives up something important to him in the budget. If Rauner unilaterally disarms on the turnaround agenda, what is Madigan’s reason to give Rauner anything on the budget?
Comment by Junior Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:40 am
===Rauner is painted as ineffectual, unable to effect change on the system.===
As opposed to right now with Social Services, including Diana Rauner’s Ounce of Prevention already seeing the decimating of social services.
===Let’s say Rauner de-links the turnaround agenda from the budget. Let’s further assume a budget then passes, and all items on the turnaround agenda go nowhere.===
Illinois is better off with it without a budget? Hmm.
===Perhaps this isn’t so if Madigan gives up something important to him in the budget. If Rauner unilaterally disarms on the turnaround agenda, what is Madigan’s reason to give Rauner anything on the budget?===
Start paying closer attention, k?
In your fantasy, you start with the premise of Rauner choosung to have no hostages.
That’s not happening. Your dorm room fantasy… abd it’s fantasy because Rauner isn’t disarming… makes it clear; Rauner controls the outcome, and the next step.
Until anyone knows Rauner’s next step, we’re in the Rauner Rut. Governors own. They always do.
When Rauner wants a budget, we’ll know it.
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:47 am
Power - you’ve hit the crux of the disagreement. Rauner sees the turnaround agenda as essential to the economic health of the state in the future. You, and most of the posters here, see it as a wish list.
Comment by Junior Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:47 am
It’s kind of comforting to see that Fahner will just poormouth the state regardless of who’s ox is getting gored.
Comment by Boss Tweed Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:50 am
“I asked the Governor and the Administration to do THREE things, three, then “Year One” would be a unmitigated success”
Is it hilarious or depressing that all you asked for was bare minimum governance, and you couldn’t even get it?
Comment by Boss Tweed Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:52 am
===Rauner sees the turnaround agenda as essential to the economic health of the state in the future. You, and most of the posters here, see it as a wish list.===
What are the measurables? What is the ROI?
Unless Rauner shows the measurable impact of decimating unions and also specifically ending collective bargaining abd prevailing wage, it’s but a wish list.
If there is an measurable economic impact, what is it?
It’s been a year since the swearing-in, where is the selling of this plan?
Rauner spent $2 million trying, during session, to advertise, “it’s not me, I’m tryin’ hard.” and not a dime on selling the Turnaround Agenda in Ads. Not one dime. Coincidence? lol
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:53 am
”
Power - you’ve hit the crux of the disagreement. Rauner sees the turnaround agenda as essential to the economic health of the state in the future. You, and most of the posters here, see it as a wish list.”
We definitely see it as a wish list when returning the tax hike would get us most of where we need to be. The rest can be thought out without decimating collective bargaining…
The wish list only looks essential if you pretend there are absolutely no other options…
Comment by There is power in a union... Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:55 am
- Boss Tweed -
I tried to give them lots of room by doing the minimum to gain momentum…
… Then came the Decatur PowerPoint and losing some real trust with the “Good Friday Massacre” cuts that were then reinstated, including the funds cut for Autism on Autism Awareness Day.
It’s depressing, sure, but what’s more depressing is that this is Rauner’s choice to be this ineffective, the it’s Rauner’s choice to blame Madigan for Rauner’s own choices, including 18 Approp vetoes, vetoes only a governor can do.
Other than that…
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:58 am
“If those who are against Rauner’s agenda are sure he’s sealing his own political demise, they should be celebrating his actions.”
Or maybe they’re not so ideologically bankrupt as to enjoy harm to the state so long as one prominent guy is hurt, too.
Comment by Boss Tweed Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 11:58 am
“At that point Rauner is painted as ineffectual, unable to effect change on the system.”
Because he surely looks effective with a budget delayed by six months.
If people feel better about the state in ‘18, Rauner *will* look effective and *will* win reelection. This test of virility that you’re describing- and that, in fairness, Rauner seems to be performing- is just a sideshow.
“If Rauner unilaterally disarms on the turnaround agenda, what is Madigan’s reason to give Rauner anything on the budget?”
What does Rauner even *want* on the budget? He’s admitted that we need to raise taxes, and has repeatedly proven himself scared of any significant spending cuts.
Comment by Boss Tweed Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 12:04 pm
Boss Tweed - exceptionally rich, given your name! The machine would NEVER push an agenda that benefits a few while harming many. Other than for the last 40 years….
Comment by Junior Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 12:07 pm
===The machine would NEVER push an agenda that benefits a few while harming many. Other than for the last 40 years….===
And there it is…
“Fire Madigan, 2.0″
===The machine would NEVER push an agenda that benefits a few while harming many. Other than for the last 40 years….===
Please, call it “The Combine”,…for John Kass…
BTW, what are the measurable benefits of the Turnaround Agenda again?
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 12:11 pm
Boss - not sure what he wants on the budget, he hasn’t told. I also don’t know everything Madigan wants. My guess, and only a guess, is that Rauner wants to grow the tax base, and will give in on budget stuff to get it. It is also clear he wants to seriously diminish the power of public sector unions, and will give in on the budget to do so.
Comment by Junior Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 12:14 pm
Willy - in my world, more people in Illinois with jobs (private sector jobs), means more taxpayers. Which means more revenue. K? Also, more people working in real jobs will mean fewer expenses in the former of benefits. Making it easier and cheaper for businesses (especially small businesses) to operate here will increase employment and relieve the budget pressure in the state. I think we can easily measure this effect - we’ve seen this effect in reverse over the past few decades.
Comment by Junior Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 12:29 pm
== At that point Rauner is painted as ineffectual, unable to effect change on the system. ==
Rauner can’t wholesale impose drastic change without the legislature agreeing but he is not ineffectual. He can line item / amendatory veto the budget to shape his priorities. He can, within the law, have his directors implement his pet policies. He can implement new rules on a lot of stuff if he can get them through JCAR. Rule making, IF you know how to do it, can be a major policy changer.
An Illinois Governor is one of the most powerful governor’s in the nation IF he knows how to use the levers of government. Rauner apparently doesn’t.
Comment by RNUG Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 12:32 pm
Once again, Wordslinger at 9:39 am nails it!
Comment by Gandalfx Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 12:33 pm
== it’s absolutely true that big business ABHORS insecurity! ==
-Honeybear-, BINGO! That is the whole point of Ty’s statement.
Comment by RNUG Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 12:35 pm
=My guess, and only a guess, is that Rauner wants to grow the tax base, and will give in on budget stuff to get it=
That says a lot. You have spent quite a bit of time here defending, attacking, and touting for the governor and all you can do is guess at what he wants. As a disciple I would think you would be certain. I guess not.
=It is also clear he wants to seriously diminish the power of public sector unions, and will give in on the budget to do so.=
Is it…clear? I thought you were guessing? Pick a lane. If is is clear, I would appreciate the metrics that provide evidence in support of the clarity. Otherwise, what is clear is that there is no economic growth model that uses unemployment and declining wages as a path to prosperity. Unless you are a robber baron that is.
Comment by JS Mill Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 12:37 pm
===more people in Illinois with jobs (private sector jobs), means more taxpayers. Which means more revenue.===
No, according to Rauner, union workers make too much money, and if they made less, more people will be working. Use the search key.
===Also, more people working in real jobs will mean fewer expenses in the former of benefits. Making it easier and cheaper for businesses (especially small businesses) to operate here will increase employment and relieve the budget pressure in the state.===
No, what lower wages do is increase profits for the businesses at the cost of Labor, and as Labor cost drop, Labor itself brings home less and will then be denied the opportunity to collectively bargain such things as prevailing wage.
Labor costs drop at the cost of Labor themselves.
If you want to earn less, go for it. Earn less. Reducing labor cost by decimating unions is NOT a Republican ideal, but a Raunerite Ideal.
Republicans feel people earn too much? Hmm. Raunerites think Labor earns too much, as is collectively bargained? That’s right. Exactly right.
===I think we can easily measure this effect - we’ve seen this effect in reverse over the past few decades.===
Ok, then why won’t Rauner do so, LOL!
If you have the specific ROI, don’t be coy, show it. Rauner has yet to do so. Show me people make too much money, and making less will expand… and if you agree, take that 10% or 5% pay cut and send it to me.
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 12:39 pm
== more people in Illinois with jobs (private sector jobs), means more taxpayers. ==
Read up on the Depression Era government work programs and then tell me that only private jobs means more taxpayers / consumers. In a service economy, the way you grow the economy is more consumers.
Comment by RNUG Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 12:41 pm
===Also, more people working in real jobs will mean fewer expenses in the former of benefits.===
Hmm. You sure? So you’re saying “what” exactly?
By earning less, there will be fewer poor people workin’ for the money I give up in jobs yet to be created?
So the state will pay less in food stamps, or other state services at cost of Labor? You may want to use the search key on that too.
So, the pie won’t grow, but businesses need less labor costs, greater profits on the backs of workers?
Please explain, lol
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 12:44 pm
Nug - that’s a good one. More consumers. How does one become a consumer? Typically money is involved. Most people get money from their job.
Public sector jobs need a tax base to fund them. Private sector jobs fund public sector jobs. Illinois needs more of the former or there will be fewer of the latter.
Comment by Junior Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 1:15 pm
===Public sector jobs need a tax base to fund them. Private sector jobs fund public sector jobs. Illinois needs more of the former or there will be fewer of the latter.===
What does this even mean?
Illinois needs more of the former (public sector jobs) or there will be fewer of the latter (private sector jobs).
Huh?
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 1:20 pm
Are ya saying Illinois has too many people working for the state?
What was the head count 10 years ago, and the head count in Quinn’s final year?
Also, while you’re lookin’ for that, find the percentage of state workers in each state, where does Illinois stack up.
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 1:23 pm
Willy - you are definitely trollin’ now. Try to keep up. Private sector jobs were the former (meaning the first in the previous sentence), public sector jobs is the latter (second in the preceding sentence). Private sector jobs fund public sector jobs. A public sector employee making 100K removes that amount (plus benefits) from the pot, and adds back 5K. Who pays the other 95? Private sector employee making 100K adds 5K, and takes out nothing. Need quite a few private taxpayers to pay each public sector salary.
Comment by Junior Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 1:40 pm
I’ll take no joy in watching any governor flounder, if it hurts the state while he’s at it.
Comment by walker Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 1:46 pm
===Try to keep up. Private sector jobs were the former (meaning the first in the previous sentence), public sector jobs is the latter (second in the preceding sentence).===
You wrote…
===Public sector jobs… ===
Yeah, public sector jobs was definitely first. I’m not trollin’, I read fine thanks.
===Private sector jobs fund public sector jobs. A public sector employee making 100K removes that amount (plus benefits) from the pot, and adds back 5K. Who pays the other 95?===
Public sector jobs don’t pay taxes?
That’s a new one or is that the dorm room thinkin’ nowadays?
===Who pays the other 95? Private sector employee making 100K adds 5K, and takes out nothing. Need quite a few private taxpayers to pay each public sector salary.===
No, taxes are taxes. People pay their taxes, the state pays employees, they spend in the marketplace, and pay sales tax too, like in motor fuel tax to go to work.
How’s that headcount thingy workin’?
Might be time to play snow frisbee on the quad.
Comment by Oswego Willy Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 1:49 pm
–Public sector jobs need a tax base to fund them. Private sector jobs fund public sector jobs. Illinois needs more of the former or there will be fewer of the latter.–
(breath…breath..okay) This is incorrect. All employment whether public or private supports all other employment. That is what an economy is. My dollars bought gasoline from Quicktrip, got paid towards my credit card bill (on time dear, if you’re reading), I went grocery shopping last night, etc, etc. These consumer activities create demand which in turn supports and creates jobs. Unfortunately the cycle has not been creating higher wages which get plowed back into the local economy at a higher rate. I mean who saves these days. If you are anything like me you 1) don’t make enough to save 2) spend your earnings as fast as you make them. But every dollar goes right from my pocket into the economy and it also goes towards taxes which I as an upstanding and contributing citizen pay. Do I like how all my taxes are spent? Yes and no. Yes, my school system is good for my teen girls. We have one of the best small town libraries in the country. We have responsive village government. So locally I’m pretty happy. I don’t like my taxes being spent of MILLIONS of dollars of corporate welfare. I’d like more to be spent on small local businesses. Has DCEO spent a dime on small business under Rauner? Are there even regional economic representatives any more. The ONE I knew about quit. But I dispute this where and when I can and engage in representative democracy. But raising wages and benefits for workers NOT JOBS is the key to economic success. Jobs only help when people can support themselves. Otherwise stuff starts to break down. Bifurcating between public and private jobs only increases the misunderstanding of economics and creates base jealousies that impede progress. Stop criticizing the wages and benefits of others and fight for your own and others.
Comment by Honeybear Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 1:56 pm
== Private sector jobs fund public sector jobs. ==
Tell that to all the businesses in downtown Springfield who are closing due to lack of customers … customers who used to be State employees shopping and dining in their stores.
Comment by RNUG Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 3:05 pm
Junior:
Do you have a point to your private sector/public sector job babbling? If so please make it soon.
Comment by Demoralized Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 3:27 pm
“Who pays the other 95? Private sector employee making 100K adds 5K, and takes out nothing.” Except when they drive on roads, or get a driver’s license, or visits a State park, or renews his professional license or … “
Comment by Skeptic Monday, Jan 11, 16 @ 3:38 pm
You mean to tell me that my public sector job that pays the same taxes private sector jobs pay does NOT pay private sector jobs? Where does my money go to then, when I buy clothes or food or a car at a non public place? Who’d a thought? Actually, honey, we all put money into each others’ pockets. Unless your private sector job has it’s own printing press and only pays you with money that did not come from my pocket. Sorry to burst the bubble for y’all.
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