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So, local control is fantastic when it’s about the state letting local governments out of the collective bargaining process and paying prevailing wage.

But the holy notion of local control is never mentioned when the state wants to nullify a local union contract.

Got that?

posted by Rich Miller
Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 8:18 am

Comments

Strange — I run that same search and don’t see the ‘Turnaround Agenda’ PDF as the first item. I get results with “local control” in their headlines and site titles.

I have ad blocker on, though. It’s not marked as an ad, but I wonder if that has something to do with it. I’m using Chrome.

Comment by Frenchie Mendoza Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 8:42 am
The Wizard of Ill has two sets of rules, two sets of books, two sets of everything and can pick and choose which to use, when.

Comment by cdog Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 8:43 am
Let’s remember that property tax relief is only possible if the locals can control prevailing wage and collective bargaining…

So, why does the state want to get mixed up with CPS?

This is a great catch, Rich, and a Post highlighting the flim-flam thought process.

“If you gave an order that Santiago wasn’t to be touched, and your orders are always followed, then why would Santiago be in danger? Why would it be necessary to transfer him off the base?”

Hmm.

Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 8:52 am
Frenchie- keep going through the pages on the Google search. For me, it was on the third page in.

Comment by Anon221 Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 8:52 am
OW - “You can’t handle the truth!” / s

Comment by Qui Tam Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 8:56 am
“Because…I said so” - Rauner

Comment by Austin Blvd Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 9:01 am
–“If you gave an order that Santiago wasn’t to be touched, and your orders are always followed, then why would Santiago be in danger? Why would it be necessary to transfer him off the base?”–

Perfect. I was just thinking about this movie in relation to the governor. That’s the trouble ideologues is that they are not all wrong. “You need me on that wall. You want me on that wall”. But taken out of proper context they are radically wrong. I think that is what we have here, a “true believer” as Rich says. He has been empowered on false pretenses and now is wreaking havoc, destroying our social services, crippling our agencies, and poisoning our workforce. We’ll be looking up to Kansas soon. In three years there is a lot of damage that could be done.

Comment by Honeybear Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 9:23 am
=Let’s remember that property tax relief is only possible if the locals can control prevailing wage and collective bargaining…

So, why does the state want to get mixed up with CPS?=

Precisely!!

Great catch Rich!

Comment by JS Mill Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 9:54 am
So the Governor is wrong to support local control in one instance and oppose it in another? Okay, I guess everyone here, including the author, must choose either support or oppose local control across the board as well. Which do you all choose? Or I’m sorry, do some of you prefer a little nuance in your opinions?

Give me a break. This is lazy thinking, the kind of “gotcha” junk that plays at least a role in the stupidity of our public and private discourse.

Disagree with the proposals if you wish, and there’s certainly plenty for many to disagree with. But lets just leave it at that if you can’t help yourself from this kind of nonsense.

Comment by SES Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 9:59 am
Rauner is practicing “Pick and choose” local control, with the ultimate goal = bust unions.

Comment by Joe M Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 10:01 am
- SES -

You make a great point… if…

… you ignore that it’s about local control and the state interfering with local control, and both are an end game leading to the decimation of Collective Bargaining and/or Prevailing Wage…

… Ignoring that… then you are Spot On…

Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 10:14 am
“So the Governor is wrong to support local control in one instance and oppose it in another?”

If he were doing that, it wouldn’t be wrong. But he’s not, he’s citing local control as the principal animating his agenda and abandoning it when it comes to the biggest locality in the state.

Comment by Boss Tweed Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 10:17 am
Facts are like opinions….sometimes it’s best to ignore them. BVR has mastered this. The only success of his governorship to date.

Comment by Harvest76 Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 10:18 am
==OW - “You can’t handle the truth!” / s==

Beat me to that line QT.

However, I would argue that this legislation merely puts CPS under the same governance as the rest of the state.

Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 10:18 am
OW - not sure how that changes anything. If decimating collective bargaining were your goal, it would be completely reasonable to support local control in one instance and oppose it in another. Again, disagree with the goal if you want but make your argument - don’t just dismiss the whole conversation by imposing some bogus binary choice. It robs everyone of your undoubtedly astute arguments on why CB/PW should be preserved.

Comment by SES Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 10:25 am
===OW - not sure how that changes anything.===

The goal is to end Collective Bargaining and Prevailing wage. K? Now, the deliciously ironic part is that Rauner touts local control to do it, but… follow along… touts state control over the “local” CPS because Rahm already “lost” to CPS, “caves” to CPS and the local control isn’t helping destroy CTU.

This isn’t hard, Rauner tells you of the hypocrisy.

===Again, disagree with the goal if you want but make your argument - don’t just dismiss the whole conversation by imposing some bogus binary choice. It robs everyone of your undoubtedly astute arguments on why CB/PW should be preserved.===

Nah, it doesn’t actually. If anything, it’s highlighting what Rich is pointing out and dismissing the real rationale of what’s going on is the lazy part.

Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 10:33 am
Thanks as always for your condescension. Let me return the favor just as an aside: what you’re describing isn’t irony. Get a dictionary.

Back to the point at hand, let me try this a different way. If you believe in local control of water supply but also advocate for a federal water pollution standard are your arguments invalid out of hand? I suspect not.

I’m guessing you would say local control works best for some function of government and not so much for others, even if some of the functions are related. It would seem you are embracing local control when it supports your goal of creating a stable and safe water supply and abandoning your previously stated support of local control when it doesn’t. Which I would say is fine, but you apparently would not.

Comment by SES Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 10:49 am
=Thanks as always for your condescension. Let me return the favor just as an aside: what you’re describing isn’t irony. Get a dictionary. =
Ow is rarely wrong, in his mind, but he is rarely right on the facts.

Comment by apocalypse Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 10:53 am
Oh - SES -

It appears your ignorance of the end game makes you see things in a clouded fashion.

Rauner wants unions gone, claims that local control is THE answer. Rauner says that. K? You following?

Rauner sees that local control of CPS isn’t destroying CTU, and neither is Rahm.

What to do?

“Local control doesn’t work, I need to step in” … LOL.

The governor begs for local control claiming that IS the salvation until it isn’t?

The irony, is that the locals controlling, don’t see Rauner’s way as helping.

The irony is that what he wants and claims is the way, isn’t agree with him as he’d hoped.

If you can’t keep up, that’s on you, I guess, lol.

Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 11:01 am
Yeah, that’s still not irony. Keep trying though, I’m sure there’s an English teacher around here somewhere to help you. See? I can talk down to people, too! Does that mean I won the argument?

Comment by SES Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 11:36 am
Irony - a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result.

Rauner thought local control would mean locals would destroy unions. Why was Rauner saying “Rahm wont fight CTU!” It’s because the local control Rauner claims helps, isn’t helping Rauner. So, strip local control, because the choices the locals made aren’t Rauner choices. K? Ironic.

Nah, you didn’t win any argument, you just wasted a whole bunch of time is all, good on you, thou.

Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 11:42 am
English teacher here. OW has correctly used “irony.” Both posters, however, damage their own cases by diverting to argument ad hominem.

Comment by morningstar Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 12:25 pm
morningstar +1

Comment by AlabamaShake Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 12:53 pm
Morningstar- so funny you should say that. So on our fridge at home we have a chart called “Thou Shalt Not Commit Logical Fallacies” It’s a neat little chart of a bunch of the most used fallacies. So I was looking at it and realized that I use a lot of them all the time. Appeal to Emotion, Texas Sharpshooter, I can’t remember the other ones but Google the title and have a good laugh. We are all pretty bad here. Oh, well.

Comment by Honeybear Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 2:32 pm
Honeybear- Thanks so much for the Google hint. Great resource!!

Comment by Anon221 Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 2:44 pm
Frenchie Anon221 - About Google
Google arranges results based on what Google sees as a reasonable order FOR YOU based on your past actions! Thus for Rich, ‘TurnAround Agenda’ my come out on top since that is high in his common hit items. Yes, Google keeps track of nearly every query and item you click on. That information is then used to change display orders, select ads, determine items for above the bar.
Google routinely will NOT provide the same results in the same order for two different Google uses when they do the same query.

Comment by IL17 Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 3:29 pm
IF the once great state of Illnoid would even come close to proper funding for all levels of public Education, local control would not be an issue. Bottom of the heap and going south. Chi-Town was skating for years with lower property taxes/rates than in most suburbs but get bigger percentage of per student funding …finally that cats out of the bag. Now there is a new sheriff (that nobody sent)and everyone is chaffing. The un-funded mandates on local and governments schools keep piling up. Stop picking the low fruit and do what needs to be done. The fat hog got cut so many times it bled out. Time to clean up after the party and it ain’t gonna be pretty.

Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Jan 21, 16 @ 3:44 pm