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2013 tallied a total of 2,159 people shot. One of these three is 2016’s 2,159th person shot… 169 days early. https://t.co/jsDdWQggH5
— HeyJackass.com (@w_h_thompson) July 16, 2016
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Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 11:05 am
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The national uptick started last year, after decades of decline.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/dueling-claims-on-crime-trend/
Comment by wordslinger Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 11:17 am
One question…what’s changed that led to this increase? Policy, the economy of illegal drug sales, or demographics?
Comment by Illinois Bob Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 11:18 am
One thing certainly did change and that was the funding of anti-violence programs due to the budget stalemate.
Comment by A Jack Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 11:23 am
“One thing certainly did change and that was the funding of anti-violence programs due to the budget stalemate.”
No social agenda!
– MrJM
Comment by @MisterJayEm Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 11:28 am
Street thugs who use violence to settle disputes combined with easy access to firearms = senseless violence.
I always hoped this was a self-correcting problem, that enough of these lowlifes would kill each other to end the problem. That doesn’t look like it’s going to happen anytime soon. There apparently exists no leadership of the various street tribes to intervene, either, and the police are seen as the enemy by the thug community.
The solution isn’t going to be easy or cheap, but it involves education and economic opportunity, an alternative path away from violence. It’ll take governments, religious leaders, parents and the thugs themselves to decide to change this.
Until then, keep your head down and hope they learn to hit their targets with greater accuracy.
Comment by 47th Ward Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 11:35 am
Chicago shootings are proof that gun laws are not the issue. Chicago has perhaps the most stringent gun restrictions in the Country. The national policy allowing this to occur is a disgrace. What we need is a step up in antigang policing and stricter sentencing for gun violence
Comment by Sue Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 11:46 am
===Chicago has perhaps the most stringent gun restrictions in the Country.===
Stop with this dumb statement. Chicago’s strict gun laws have been repealed after the courts rules them unconstitutional. CCW is legal in Chicago. Our gun laws are as wide open as anywhere in Illinois.
Comment by 47th Ward Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 11:53 am
Crime is down across the USA. Also gun crime is at a all time low. Gun crime is only going up in a few communities where guns laws DONT work because the few with the guns DONT follow the law.
Comment by Stan Blu Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 12:02 pm
well, we don’t have open carry in Chicago, but we do have FOID in Illinois and gun purchases are more restricted than in Indiana. easy drive across the border from anywhere in Chicago to get a gun. so Indiana is the problem.
Comment by Amalia Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 12:03 pm
After the RICO laws took the upper level and mid level gang leaders off the streets it created vacuums for new, younger and more violent gang members to rise up the ranks. Whereas before you had specific gangs controlling different blocks/neighborhoods with relative peace, once the leadership was taken out of the equation a power struggle resulted in who controlled which turfs. Illegal markets don’t have dispute resolution mechanisms other than violence.
Comment by frisbee Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 12:03 pm
47th Ward - how many of those 2,159 people do you think were shot by a person with a concealed carry permit? Just sayin.
Comment by Team America Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 12:03 pm
–Crime is down across the USA. Also gun crime is at a all time low. –
Long-term, but there has been a national uptick in the last year. Try the google.
–Gun crime is only going up in a few communities where guns laws DONT work because the few with the guns DONT follow the law.–
That’s just a nonsense statement. First of all, where, exactly, in the United States can you not easily get a gun (Hawaii, maybe)?
Secondly, the cities that consistently have the highest violent crime rates — New Orleans, St. Louis, Detroit, Birmingham, Memphis — have long had CC laws.
How did this become a CC topic, anyway? One-trick ponies out there.
Comment by wordslinger Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 12:10 pm
TA, the point was that Chicago does NOT have especially strict gun laws anymore, yet knuckleheads like Sue keep repeating that falsehood because it advances their political agenda that gun laws don’t work.
Comment by 47th Ward Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 12:16 pm
CC is worse than useless in Chicago. Eery building has a gun free sign. Can’t carry into parks, sorts events, bars. You can walk around the block, that’s about it.
Compare Chicago to Houston regarding gun laws.
Comment by Doogle Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 12:39 pm
Wordslinger is right. Crime has ticked up after a long, steady decline. Chicago’s violent crime rate in 2014 was it’s lowest since the late 1960’s.
Comment by Four and a half Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 12:39 pm
===Chicago shootings are proof that gun laws are not the issue. Chicago has perhaps the most stringent gun restrictions in the Country.===
I might have agreed with these statements up until the end of 2013. Around that time Illinois and the City of Chicago lost court cases related to gun laws. As a result the City of Chicago then repealed some of its gun laws and Illinois enacted a concealed carry law.
I should point out that in 2014, 2015, and 2016, the number of killings in Chicago has increased.
Comment by Small town taxpayer Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 12:40 pm
The numbers are frightening. A lot of the “shooters” are juveniles feuding with each other over Facebook insults. Illinois should reevaluate it’s juvenile justice program.
Comment by Chicagonk Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 1:01 pm
-… but we do have FOID in Illinois and gun purchases are more restricted than in Indiana. easy drive across the border from anywhere in Chicago to get a gun. so Indiana is the problem.-
Easy drive across the border yes, but you ain’t buying a firearm from an Indiana dealer as an Illinois resident without a FOID. Buy a handgun in Indiana as an Illinois resident and it has to be shipped to an FFL in Illinois for pickup.
Comment by TheGoodLieutenant Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 1:05 pm
At the risk of being banned, my question is “Where is the Black Lives Matter protest against the black on black shootings?”
The Washington Post has a story about police shootings. According to the story, since 1/1/2015 there were 1502 people killed in police shootings. Of those 1502 people killed, 732 were white and 381 were black.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.9c2a1359fd24
So again, where are the BLM riots and protests against black on black shootings?
Comment by Huh? Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 1:28 pm
@GoodLieutenant- Don’t think many Chicago shooters buy their guns from a FFL.
Comment by Slippin' Jimmy Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 1:40 pm
To Huh?
Not every group protests every issue. BLM has been activated when it’s shown that the shootings were by bad law enforcement officers who abused their authority.
Where is the NRA in decrying veterans who use automatic weapons to slaughter police officers? When is the NRA is going to start to spend millions of dollars to pass legislation to fund mental illness programs that would help things like veterans who use automatic weapons to slaughter police officers?
Comment by Anonymous Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 1:42 pm
“A lot of the ’shooters’ are juveniles feuding with each other over Facebook insults. Illinois should reevaluate it’s juvenile justice program.”
And criminalize Facebook?
– MrJM
Comment by @MisterJayEm Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 2:02 pm
“easy drive across the border from anywhere in Chicago to get a gun. so Indiana is the problem. ”
Using that logic, Indiana’s gun violence problem should be worse than Chicago’s, yet it isn’t.
Comment by Anonymous Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 2:03 pm
It is against federal law for a convicted felon to possess a gun. Every person that comes out of prison is told that and required to sign a form saying he/she understands this. On conviction it is a 5 year MANDATORY sentence in a Federal prison probably far from Chicago. Yet these people are charged with possession in state court and then sent on way with little or no time. Why not turn them over to Feds let them prosecute them and pay the freight. It is their law. Where is Durbin on this. All he does is propose more laws instead of telling the Federal prosecutor to enforce the ones we have .
Comment by DuPage Saint Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 2:12 pm
gun shows doing a great job of checking references. snark.
Comment by Amalia Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 2:13 pm
–@GoodLieutenant- Don’t think many Chicago shooters buy their guns from a FFL.–
@Slippin’Jimmy - I would agree, and a Federal crime is committed every time that they don’t use an FFL when purchasing a handgun outside of their home state.
Comment by Anonymous Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 2:17 pm
– gun shows doing a great job of checking references. snark. –
Ahh, the gun show myth… Federal law applies for interstate transfers at gun shows as well, unlicensed seller or not. Zero exceptions.
Comment by TheGoodLieutenant Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 2:24 pm
Anon @ 2:03
Indianapolis has a higher violent crime rate than Chicago.
Comment by Four and a half Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 2:41 pm
Notice the photo and reference to former Chicago Mayor William Hale Thompson, Jr., the city’s last Republican mayor.
“Big Bill” was always faulted for the gang violence and corruption during the Prohibition Era (usually by the corrupt gang tolerant politicians who succeeded him on the Fifth Floor).
The annual murder rates from that lawless period seem quaint compared to the present day,
Comment by Anonymous Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 2:49 pm
Chicago is more violent than Indianapolis. Chicago leads in murders. Amalia wants to blame the gun. Guns kill, as in murder, right?
Indianapolis ranked number 9. Eight of the country’s most violent cities, led by Chicago, experienced decreases last year.
http://fox59.com/2015/01/18/indy-ranks-in-top-ten-for-murder/
Amalia has been blaming Rauner, white males born in the USA, NRA, ISRA, hunters, gun shows, Trump, no bullet tracing, etc., ad nauseum. Indiana is the “boogey man du jour”.
Comment by Anonymous Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 2:55 pm
– Indianapolis has a higher violent crime rate than Chicago. –
The homicide rate is not even close. Chicago 2016 to date 13.57 per 100K, Indy 7.19 per 100k
Comment by TheGoodLieutenant Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 3:07 pm
**Where is the NRA in decrying veterans who use automatic weapons to slaughter police officers? When is the NRA is going to start to spend millions of dollars to pass legislation to fund mental illness programs that would help things like veterans who use automatic weapons to slaughter police officers?**
Automatic weapons have not been used in any of these crimes.
Comment by DGD Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 3:32 pm
Don’t feed the anonymous trolls. To quote the venerable OW, pick a name.
Comment by Huh? Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 3:50 pm
People seem to forget that it’s not only Indiana. Wisconsin recently changed their laws to make it incredibly easier to buy guns and there are strong connections between the gang affiliated violence in Milwaukee/Racine and Chicago. Straw buyers are a major issue and recent case in which two Milwaukee cops sued a gun store for knowingly selling a gun to a straw buyer. Many of these Wisconsin guns are making their into Illinois. Missouri falls in line with this as well. Additionally there is no federal firearms registration and tracking system (purposefully) so there is no way to really know statistically and legally how a legally manufactured weapon designed to kill ends up becoming an illegal weapon that has killed.
Comment by CLJ Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 4:29 pm
“Of those 1502 people killed, 732 were white and 381 were black.”
So, since there are about 40 million black people in the US, that means there must be about 77 million white people.
Does that mean the other 150 million “white” people are faking it?
Comment by Chris Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 4:33 pm
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/10/22/violent-crime-statistics-for-every-city-in-america/ This report contains the FBI stats that came out for 2014 in Sept. 2015. You will find that Indianapolis has a much higher violent crime rate than Chicago, Indy being the #9 city in the country for highest violent crime rate. (hey, Indiana!) crimes by population tell the story re the Feds.
Comment by Amalia Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 4:58 pm
People don’t understand statistics. Indianapolis is a much more violent city. Property crime there is much worse too.
Comment by Ron Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 5:01 pm
Chris @ 4:33 - What in the world are you trying to say?
I quoted a Washington Post story that said there are more white people shot by police than black people. That is all.
If you need help with the US census data, I am sure Google is more than willing to assist you.
Comment by Huh? Monday, Jul 18, 16 @ 5:04 pm
Just curious which guns were used in those property crimes? How do you know those guns didn’t come from Illinois? Got data?
Comment by Anonymous Tuesday, Jul 19, 16 @ 10:18 am