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*** UPDATE *** To read today’s opinion in its entirety, click here.
* No matter what happened today, this thing has always been destined for the Illinois Supreme Court…
In a written opinion, Cook County Circuit Court Judge Diane Larsen said it violated the state constitution on two grounds. First, it exceeds the constitution’s requirement that citizen-led constitutional amendment proposals be limited to “structural and procedural” changes to the Illinois General Assembly. Larsen also ruled that it violates the constitution’s provision that amendments be limited to a single topic.
* Reboot also posted the final page of the ruling. Click the pic for a larger image…
…Adding… From the ILGOP…
“Hundreds of thousands of citizens petitioned to put the Independent Map Amendment on the ballot. Instead of supporting the chance to vote for fair maps, Mike Madigan’s allies sued to stop voters from having the opportunity to vote for reform. It’s sad to see that Mike Madigan’s Democratic Party would rather deny voters their voice than face fair, competitive elections.
It’s more clear than ever that Illinois needs major political reform. While we expect this legal battle to continue, there is nothing preventing the legislature from passing fair maps and term limits. It’s time for reform-minded Democrats and Republicans to work together to get it done.” – Illinois Republican Party Spokesman Steven Yaffe
…Adding More… Press release…
Independent Maps Chairman Dennis FitzSimons’ statement about today’s Cook County Circuit Court ruling:
“We are disappointed that Judge Larsen has ruled against the Independent Map Amendment and the 564,000 Illinois residents who signed a petition to change a broken system and eliminate the inherent conflict of interest where politicians draw their own legislative districts. We expected from the beginning of this effort that the issue would ultimately be decided by the Illinois Supreme Court. We will file for an expedited appeal to the State’s highest court.
“A great deal of care went into crafting an amendment that follows constitutional guidelines while also creating a system that is independent, fair, transparent, and protects the ability of minority communities to elect candidates of their choosing. Redistricting reform was specifically addressed by the framers of our constitution as a ‘critical’ area for citizen petition initiatives. We believe that the Illinois Supreme Court will side with Illinois voters and not deny citizens the opportunity to vote on this amendment.“
* And…
Governor Bruce Rauner issued the following statement on a Cook County judge’s decision regarding the redistricting referendum on the November ballot:
“Today’s ruling is a harsh reminder that the political system in Illinois is in need of major reforms. I hope the decision to deny voters the chance to consider the Independent Map redistricting referendum is appealed and reversed.
“Independent redistricting is badly needed in our state. A stunning two-thirds of incumbents will be running unopposed in November. That’s certainly not because the politicians in charge are doing such a good job in Springfield. It means the system is broken.
“Legislators in power could have placed the Independent Maps referendum directly on the ballot and avoided this court decision. Instead, they chose to play politics in an effort to protect their own power.
“That is wrong.
“We have it backwards in Illinois. Voters should be able to choose their elected officials through an independently-drawn map that ensures competitive elections. Instead, we have politicians choosing their voters, putting politics ahead of people.
“Independent Maps has strong support from both Democrats and Republicans. It has strong support from non-partisan good government groups. So this ruling is a definitely a setback for the people of Illinois.
“If this decision remains in place, it will prove that we need to put political reform at the top of our legislative agenda. We need to fix our broken political system to ensure taxpayers win instead of the insiders.”
…Adding Still More… Press release from today’s winners…
The Circuit Court’s decision represents a victory for democracy and minority rights. This unconstitutional amendment would put a tremendous amount of authority in the hands of unelected middlemen unaccountable to the taxpayers. Shifting the authority to draw the legislative map from 178 elected officials to 11 people randomly selected or appointed by legislative leaders does not make the process “independent,” rather it removes the ability for voters to have a voice. A group of unelected mapmakers is accountable to no one for the decisions it makes, has no reason to protect minority voters and minority communities, and faces no consequences for failing to give those protections.
Minority groups have spent decades fighting to ensure our voices are heard, and that hard work would be in jeopardy if this amendment were to become law. Any effort to weaken minority rights harms us all and should be seen as nothing more than a major setback in what has been accomplished for minority rights in Illinois. As politicians throughout the country try to make it more difficult for minorities to vote, we should ensure any movement like this is carefully examined.
The proponents of Independent Map claimed their proposal would put the map back in the hands of the voters, but nothing is further from the truth. The current process allows those unhappy with the redistricting process to express their displeasure at the ballot box.
John Hooker
Chairman
People’s Map
…Adding… Press release…
Senate Republican Leader Christine Radogno, on the Independent Map ruling today:
“Unfortunately, I am not shocked. This is a Circuit Court opinion out of Cook County – a very political system. I look forward to a fresh set of eyes at the next level of juridical review. The people of Illinois are demanding change – but the powers that be continue to frustrate their efforts to reform our system. We cannot continue to be stuck with the status quo in Illinois.”
Background on the judge is here.
…Adding… Another one…
“Today’s ruling by a Cook County Circuit Court Judge is an unfortunate win for the status quo in Illinois. I am disappointed for the 546,000 registered Republican and Democratic voters who felt strongly enough to sign their support for a ballot initiative that would remove politics from the remap process. I am hopeful the Illinois Supreme Court will reverse this decision.”
- House Republican Leader Jim Durkin
…Adding… Greg Hinz…
[Independent Maps Chairman Dennis FitzSimons], in a phone interview, suggested that the judge created what amounted to a dilemma for voters in her ruling.
The judge “accepted or position in general that remap is a structural and procedural subject” and thus can be dealt with by voters, he said. But she delivered “a interpretation that would make it almost impossible to pass any constitutional amendment” on this subject.
Fortunately, the Supreme Court may start all over in examining the issue, FitzSimons concluded. But, “If this stands, it will be almost impossible for voters to change their own constitution.”
posted by Rich Miller
Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 10:43 am
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The IL Constitution has some interesting language on citizen-led initiatives/amendments.
I just hope the State Supreme Court decides on the case before ballots start getting printed and mailed.
Comment by here we go Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 10:48 am
Sickening. Madigan wins again.
Comment by Indochine Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 10:49 am
Would it be too much to ask that commentators read the Court’s opinion before commenting? (Or is it “commentating”?)
Comment by Mike Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 10:52 am
It’s one thing if they did the politics wrong, (couldn’t get enough signatures, ran a bad ad campaign, etc.) but a lot of really successful business people keep putting a ton of money behind an effort where they can’t get the legal work right. You’d think all these successful business people would vet the legal work a little better before they threw away all this money on an effort that appears poised to get kicked off the ballot. Again.
Comment by The Captain Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 10:52 am
Rauner will need a plumber pretty soon. I imagine all that money he is flushing down the toilet is starting to clog.
Comment by 360 Degree TurnAround Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 10:53 am
Interestingly, the statement on the last page also implied a question of whether the circuit court even has jurisdiction.
I know they have to follow the process, but Rich is right; it was always going to end up at the IL SC.
Comment by RNUG Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 10:58 am
===Sickening. Madigan wins again===
Victimhood.
To the Post,
Yep, it was always going “all the way” that was never the question, it was which party would have to take it there in appeal.
I just wish the 59 districts with 3 at large House seats was the option here.
That’s my top choice for reform
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 10:58 am
—
Rauner will need a plumber pretty soon. I imagine all that money he is flushing down the toilet is starting to clog.
—
Well, at least Rauner is *choosing* to flush his money down the toilet.
Governors choose. That’s what they do.
Comment by Formerly Known as Frenchie M Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 10:59 am
Can we simply repeal the cutback amendment? That would
clearly be Constitutional.
Comment by Last Bull Moose Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 10:59 am
The independent maps group reminds me of a 6 year old child who naively thinks his older brother will give him a chance at fairly winning any game.
Comment by Robert the Bruce Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:00 am
There are two examples that the framers of the current constitution explicitly said would be within the scope of what they intended: bicameral to unicameral and redistricting reform. They repeatedly said they wanted to restrict citizen amendments to things like that.
Comment by The Internet's Finest eLawyer Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:01 am
===Would it be too much to ask that commentators read the Court’s opinion before commenting?===
Probably. In another post this morning, Rich posted a link to a simple ranking, and one of the first commenters asked whether there was a ranking somewhere.
Comment by Robert the Bruce Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:02 am
This particular amendment aside, as an attorney I can’t say that I’m happy to see that a state Constitutional provision is being read so narrowly over time to be rendered practically meaningless. Not completely meaningless, mind you, but one success in 47 years is pretty close.
Comment by Ron Burgundy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:02 am
Astounding that the party that advocates judicial activism to make new law suddenly finds strict constructionism convenient when it suits their political needs.
Comment by Adam Smith Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:03 am
So, is there any reason to believe that the Supreme Court will see this any differently?
Comment by Saluki Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:06 am
===It’s time for reform-minded Democrats and Republicans to work together to get it done.” – Illinois Republican Party Spokesman Steven Yaffe===
Mr. Yaffe,
You should ask IllinoisGo to…
…
Oh. Never mind.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:08 am
Another successful Illinois Campaign by Bill Hyers!
Comment by Belden Ave. Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:08 am
Two previous comments wanting to throw out the “cutback amendment”, Quinn’s most notable screwup. Here’s the third. Can we get some more support for the idea?
Comment by Downstate Commissioner Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:08 am
Madigan and the Constitutions he controls stopped voters from having the opportunity to vote for reform…
Wheres that millionaire’s amendment when you need it? No screams from the ILGOP on citizens not being allowed to vote on that? Why not?
Comment by PublicServant Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:08 am
Darn that constitution!
Comment by 360 Degree TurnAround Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:11 am
Darn those activist judges!
Comment by 360 Degree TurnAround Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:13 am
INDOCHINE
You may think its sickening that Madigan wins again while I marvel at how smart Madigan is. Madigan is not one to waste his time. He always studies the issues thoroughly and usually only gets involved if the facts support his position.
You can complain all you want but you have to respect Madigans abilities. Without a doubt he is the most talented politician since Richard J. Daley.
Comment by MOON Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:15 am
This is Mike Kasper’s work, right? because whatever you think of the result, Mike Kasper has had a rough time of it with the loss of his wife, so wishing him personally well even if not agreeing with the subject is always nice.
Comment by Amalia Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:18 am
It is really hard to live in this state at times. Repulsive the framers of the constitution originally would make the bar so extreme to allow citizens to vote on referendums. Will be voting for Hillary in the fall but will not vote for another democrat in this state until Madigan is out of office. This is just repulsive.
Comment by Very fed up Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:18 am
At least now the team can cash their checks and help those good government contributors balance their checkbooks. Ugh.
Comment by A guy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:18 am
Not a very inspiring yodel from Yaffe or the 1%ers who control him. But the move does preserve the state voting right act and slows down the rush to plant more rental reps in the GA/ Maybe BigBrain will focus on runnin’ the state.
MAYBE
Comment by Annonin' Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:20 am
=It’s time for reform-minded Democrats and Republicans to work together to get it done.=
Would these be the same Democrats that to date have been silent on the corruption of our Auditor General? Anyone who thinks any Democrat in the House will step out on this issue or the Auditor General being corrupt is daft. No one dare cross the Speaker on how he gets his power or who he puts in power to insulate him.
Comment by Big Muddy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:20 am
@Oswego Willy - Victimhood.
Since it’s always Madigan’s lawyer fighting these battles, he does win again. Call it “Victimhood” all you want, but it’s an accurate statement. I would bet one of the Madigan committees is funding it (directly or indirectly) but since they magically don’t have any funding or expenses I guess we don’t know.
I know your life’s mission these days is to attack anyone or any statement you perceive as being pro-Rauner, but I am not a Raunerbot.
Comment by Indochine Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:20 am
- Indochine -
Kasper isn’t Tom Hagen… k?
Kasper has had, and continues to have many clients well outside Michael J. Madigan.
That’s why this is victimhood.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:23 am
I agree with MOON; as much as I get annoyed with Speaker Madigan’s work, I marvel at his intellect and the results he gets time and time again. He’s one of a kind.
Comment by cgo75 Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:24 am
None of the statements issued by those who disagree with the judge’s decision explain what actually happened today. Judge Larsen said redistricting is something that can be changed by citizen initiative, but this particular petition was so poorly drafted that it doesn’t meet the constitutional requirements.
Comment by fantasyland Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:25 am
===Anyone who thinks any Democrat in the House will step out on this issue or the Auditor General being corrupt is daft.===
Welp, there’s Skoog…
“Any”?
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:25 am
Not even you believe that, Willy. Ridiculous.
Comment by Indochine Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:27 am
“Today’s ruling is a harsh reminder that the political system in Illinois is in need of major reforms.”
Actually, it’s a harsh reminder that compliance with the Illinois Constitution is the best way to get proposed amendments thereto on the ballot.
Comment by JoanP Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:27 am
Will we be reading a statement from Speaker Madigan on the issue…can someone call his cell?
Comment by NIU Grad Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:28 am
===Not even you believe that, Willy. Ridiculous.===
Use the Search Key…
Start with Rahm…
Many different clients beyond Madigan.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:28 am
==Sickening. Madigan wins again.===
Very sad day for illinois.
Comment by atsuishin Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:29 am
Rauner can go to Cleveland now.
Comment by 360 Degree TurnAround Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:30 am
===Very sad day for illinois.===
… by following the Illinois Constitution?
That makes zero sense.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:30 am
“Today’s ruling is a harsh reminder that the political system in Illinois is in need of major reforms.”
Madigan and the courts he controls.
Comment by Huh? Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:36 am
Why doesn’t the Gov use his $20 million to call for a constitutional convention? He could change redistributing, term limits, and the pension contract issue.
Comment by Wow Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:38 am
Does anyone have a copy of the full decision?
Thanks in advance for posting it if you do!
Comment by Agricola Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:39 am
Wow, that was fast!
Thanks!
Comment by Agricola Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:40 am
Much of what Rauner seems to want — reform-wise, at least — seems more and more to be about the structure of the Illinois constitution.
Instead of incessantly campaigning on Madigan and denigrating the state (and wasting millions on legal fees) — how about start a constructive conversation about necessary *constitutional* reforms?
Heavy-lift, of course — but if Rauner’s serious about reforms — why not start with the thing that most firmly forms the whole?
I know — he’s almost 2 years in. And … possibly … only has 2 years left.
Still. If you want to “re” form the foundation — then, cripes, tackle it head on — instead of the constant litany of impotent press releases and smug smiles.
Comment by Formerly Known as Frenchie M Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:40 am
We need to fix our broken political system to ensure taxpayers pay more taxes, earn less money and have fewer benefits than the uber wealthy businessmen and venture capitalists like me, who can buy elections and politicians.”
Fixed it for you.
Comment by Huh? Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:42 am
=A stunning two-thirds of incumbents will be running unopposed in November.=
You mean like every one of my area legislators? Who all happen to be a member of the GOP and not one had a primary race either?
Comment by JS Mill Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:43 am
The decision calls out several, ah, let’s call them “unforced errors” by the legal team that drafted the amendment and petition (the clearest example of that is the “original jurisdiction” in the amendment and petition versus “original and exclusive jurisdiction” in the Constitution’s judiciary article).
The court then rolled along in a way that does seem to very faithfully follow the prior Supreme Court cases on the topic.
Comment by titan Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:44 am
As long as elected politicians have a say on who’s on a commission: it’s still a commission run by politicians. This case means nothing one way or another. Mike Madigan will still run things until Mike Madigan doesn’t run things.
Comment by Steve Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:45 am
Madigan is the most talented politician since Richard J Daley?
The measure of a talented politician is someone who through his public service improves the state he serves . Illinois is worse off in every respect since Madigan became speaker.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:46 am
=Welp, there’s Skoog…
“Any”?=
Skoog has not asked him to step aside, resign or even explain in detail so not sure what you consider stepping out.
Comment by Big Muddy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:48 am
“A stunning two-thirds of incumbents will be running unopposed in November.”
That is what happens when your PAC gets trounced in the primaries.
Anyways, who wants to get in between 1.4% and Madigan when the wingman is holding up pay checks?
Comment by Huh? Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:50 am
Nah - Lucky Pierre -
Since Bruce Rauner has been governor Illinois is worse off by every measurable way. You’re welcome.
===This case means nothing one way or another. Mike Madigan will still run things until Mike Madigan doesn’t run things.===
… Ugh.
That Pesky Constitution… makes us all a victim?
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:50 am
===Would these be the same Democrats that to date have been silent on the corruption of our Auditor General?===
Skoog hasn’t been silent.
http://goo.gl/DQtf4U
What else?
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:54 am
OW Illinois problems did not begin 18 months ago. More than anyone, the Speaker is responsible for Illinois decline. He blocks every attempt to change the status quo and thus the decline continues.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:58 am
- Lucky Pierre -
Riffing off what Crain’s said about Rauner, and trying to use it. Nope. Sorry.
I’m not going to feed you. This Post is about the Court Ruling and Rauner is still by any measure a failure.
Good Luck.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:00 pm
The post is also about the Speaker’s efforts to derail a bipartisan proposal supported by the majority of Illinois residents but despised by long time political power brokers.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:03 pm
“Do not feed the Troll”.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:04 pm
The majority of Illinois residents must be trolls the because they agree with me.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:06 pm
Oswego, Are you confident that the Supreme’s will see it the same way?
Comment by Saluki Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:07 pm
I’ll hold judgement until the ILSC rules on this, but it might be time for another constitutional convention.
Comment by Chicagonk Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:07 pm
You weren’t arguing the “merits”, you were, again, riffing off bad press Rauner received.
The constitutionality of the suit is at play.
You continue to ignore that.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:09 pm
===Oswego, Are you confident that the Supreme’s will see it the same way?===
I dunno. I’ll leave that up to the Supremes.
Not evading, I actually don’t know.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:12 pm
=== Judge Larsen said redistricting is something that can be changed by citizen initiative, but this particular petition was so poorly drafted that it doesn’t meet the constitutional requirements. ===
In other words, those who want to uphold the constitution should applaud this decision, even if in favor of redistricting reform.
It’s not the judge who wasted the time of the petition signers, and it’s not Madigan’s fault. It’s the people who wrote this unconstititional proposal who are to blame. Two blown initiatives in a row.
Comment by anon Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:13 pm
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The post is also about the Speaker’s efforts to derail a bipartisan proposal supported by the majority of Illinois residents but despised by long time political power brokers.
—
Well, if that’s the case — and let’s say for the sake of argument that you’re absolutely correct — then why not draft the amendment so it’s constitutional?
And if all those folks that signed the petitions are desperate for change — and I have no reason to believe that they *aren’t* — then why on god’s green earth didn’t they make 110% sure that the amendment as written would pass muster with the courts? I mean, cripes, all those thousands of folks should be furious now — not at Madigan because he’s smart or savvy or evil, but because they were sold a bill of goods for a house that — at least today — can’t be built.
Get with the plan. Come up with something that’ll work within the narrow bounds of the constitutional language. If you can’t — then don’t pretend you can.
… unless it’s for purely political purposes and not actual reform.
Comment by Formerly Known as Frenchie M Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:18 pm
=== He (the Speaker) blocks every attempt to change the status quo and thus the decline continues. ===
Speaker Madigan proposed to change the status quo with the millionaire’s tax amendment. That was an instance where the GOP defended the status quo.
Comment by anon Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:19 pm
BTW — “status quo” has lost its meaning now.
What “status quo” now means (at least here in Illinois) is: “Everything I don’t like. But not what I do.”
I want my Illinois millionaires taxed. When’s that gonna happen? I don’t like the “status quo”.
Comment by Formerly Known as Frenchie M Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:23 pm
Just to be clear… A court has said the proposal is illegal. the GOP response is, we dont care about the law, lets waste money purting an illegal proposal in the ballot and counting it; and the legal cost that would follow because its what people want???
Wasnt that the same GOP and IPI push that brought us illegal pension changes that wasted time and money and dd nothing?
GOP news flash, legality matters. push substantive chnages not illegal ones. maybe its time to consider the counter map reform proposal….
Comment by Ghost Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:28 pm
The speaker uses issues like the millionaires tax and the minimum wage as a political issues not because of the policy.
If he truly believed in either policy he would have thrown his considerable political influence behind both proposals before Rauner ever took office.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:29 pm
Maybe this is a Network News moment- we are not going to take it anymore and the voters in November will elect some R’s who don’t work on the Madigan Plantation
Comment by Sue Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:39 pm
Lucky Pierre- don’t you think that Rauner, too, is using issues (like a poorly drafted amendment) as political issues, and not because of the policies?
Comment by Keyrock Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:45 pm
—
… elect some R’s who don’t work on the Madigan Plantation
—
Um … what?
Ken, if you’re gonna post here, at least use your real name.
Comment by Formerly Known as Frenchie M Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:46 pm
SUE
Any R’S elected will be on the Rauner plantation.
Comment by MOON Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:54 pm
I don’t see any upside for Rauner if this initiative is rejected by the Supreme Court. Quite the contrary
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 12:56 pm
LP-It keeps a popular political issue alive through at least his reelection campaign.
Comment by Keyrock Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 1:03 pm
Christine,
When the courts found imaginary 1st Amendment rights for Corporations…you were applauding it. So your histrionics about courts being political systems…total hypocrisy. Why not just be an adult, instead of Trump, and just you disagree? No need for the childish dog whistle. Or resign.
I agree that we need to change re-districting. The Constitution of the United States of America needs to be Amended for this to be done. Perhaps use the U.S. Geological Survey for drawing districts.
Comment by Doug Simpson Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 1:06 pm
It is very hard for any Cook County Circuit Judge to rule against Madigan. He controls them and their careers in so many ways. This judge came out of the City Legal Dept. - enough said.
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 1:10 pm
“Imaginary First ammendment right for corporations ”
Corporations like CNN and the New York Times?
Citizens United was about a lawsuit to try and stop a movie that criticized Hillary Clinton. Do you think the US should just rely on corporate media for our news? North America and Europe are two of just a handful of places in the world with a media not controlled or influenced by the government .We should be advocating for more free speech not less.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 1:14 pm
I can’t read the comment section because it’s OW just responding to every post.
I would rather read everyone’s opinion. Instead it’s everyone’s opinion and how they are right or wrong.
Comment by Matt P Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 1:18 pm
ANON 1:10 PM.
You are not only dreaming, you comment is illogical.
Once elected a judge is 99% certain to be retained.
Comment by MOON Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 1:19 pm
My unflattering comment concerning Judge Larsen’s decision has disappeared. Censorship or runaway bytes?
Comment by Keyser Soze Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 1:24 pm
I think Rauner losing this one is going to help him more than Rauner winning this one - for now at least.
Comment by allknowingmasterofracoondom Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 1:31 pm
Oh - Matt P -
You’re a victim to your un-skipping, lol
“Everyone’s a critic”
Rauner losing this “helps” Rauner and how crazy is it to spend so much money with no intent on winning?
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 1:40 pm
Illinois is likely beyond hope. Worst job growth in the coumtry, second worst unemployment rate. Terrible income growth. Losing population. Just keep everything the same. It’s been fine for the last 30 years.
Comment by Ron Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 1:42 pm
OW - I don’t think he MEANT to lose it and all that money, I just think it helps him for now. I can see all the tv commercials now…
Comment by allknowingmasterofracoondom Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 1:48 pm
=It is very hard for any Cook County Circuit Judge to rule against Madigan. He controls them and their careers in so many ways. This judge came out of the City Legal Dept. - enough said.=
Actually not enough said. Please tell us anonymous law professor exactly how this judge erred. It’s not enough to simply say “Madigan”. If you truly believe that this decision was unjust you must have a sound legal rationale.
Comment by pundent Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 1:49 pm
You spend millions promoting it, but can’t find a competent lawyer to write it constitutionally…
Hmm…
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 1:49 pm
The best thing for Illinois would be Mr. Madigan retiring or passing.
Comment by Ron Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 1:51 pm
Oh - Ron -,
No one is in your lawn and yelling at the clouds won’t make them go away quicker…
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 1:53 pm
Pundent: I responded in detail but my comments were not posted. ( which I guess helps prove my point!).
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 1:58 pm
Pundent: read Mary Mikva’s opinion last year rejecting the broad challenge against a redistricting petition as impermissible non-structural change but rejecting the previous “Fair Maps” proposal on narrower grounds.
Comment by lake county democrat Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 2:19 pm
It should have been obvious to the IMA legal team that they made mistakes with counts 3 and 4.
Count 3 seems like just lazy drafting, unless there is some reason to change the circuit / supreme court jurisdiction that I am not aware of.
Count 4 should of been real easy to see that forcing IL Supreme Court Justices to declare a political party was not going to fly.
Comment by TrumpSmallHands Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 2:21 pm
Judge Larson is not an Madigan flunkie. She is one of the bright lights of Cook’s judiciary. If the entire judiciary was as good as her, we’d all be better off. The decision was pretty solidly reasoned and grounded in the prior Supreme Court decisions in the area. It isn’t for a circuit court judge to reverse the supremes (on the supremes can do that).
Comment by titan Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 2:34 pm
I don’t think Illinois is beyond hope. I think it’s a somewhat controversial time now but it’s purely politically driven. As much as I hate to say it….Having one party occupying the Governor’s Mansion and the other party controlling the rest is unhealthy for the state and won’t change until the Democrats take control across the board.
Comment by cgo75 Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 2:40 pm
This is disappointing, but not all that surprising.
Instead of the maps amendment, is there a reason no one has pursued the California open primary approach? Where the top two vote-getters in the primary (regardless of party) go on to the general? Seems like that would tremendously help the “unopposed” race issue, and have some accountability even to districts that are completely partisan. http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/primary-elections-california/
Comment by StringerBell Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 3:07 pm
Still early.
It is any easy, commonsensical decision to make that a redistributing process, while potentially changing some of the membership of the GA, does not change its “process” or “structure.” That’s strict interpretation of those words as commonly used.
The problem remains, for a higher court to resolve, that there is evidence that the framers meant to include redistricting reform when they used those terms in the document.
I hope this effort succeeds, partly because if it doesn’t, Rauner will move it back up on his list TA demands prior to agreeing on a fiscal budget.
Comment by walker Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 3:16 pm
==- Wow - Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 11:38 am:==
You’re giving Governor “Salesman” too much credit.
Comment by Precinct Captain Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 3:32 pm
If GOPers controlled the GA we wouldn’t hear a peep about this. Those not in power want it, those with want to keep it.
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 3:36 pm
==The best thing for Illinois would be Mr. Madigan retiring or passing.==
I know but he likely has 30 years left. Madigan is no more likely to go than strum thrumond was. He has a fiefdom in illinois.
Comment by atsuishin Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 3:38 pm
=Shifting the authority to draw the legislative map from 178 elected officials to 11 people randomly selected or appointed by legislative leaders=
Gag. If there was ever any question whether the opponents were pawns of the powers that be, the ridiculousness of that statement should make it clear. 178 elected officials draw the maps now? Seriously? I believe one person had control over this latest map. Maybe a handful of others had a tiny bit of input in tweaking his blueprint, but I doubt that even really happened. Please.
And further if you’re gullible enough to take that at face value: These 178 draw the maps that they’re supposed to be elected under, and that’s supposed to make us confident in the system? Such a disconnect.
And the “experts” wonder how Trump or Rauner or Brexit can happen…
Comment by LessAnon? Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 3:44 pm
StringerBell - I filed HB 5923 (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocTypeID=HB&DocNum=5923&GAID=13&SessionID=88&LegID=95409) earlier this year to offer open primaries based on California’s model. I’ve filed similar bills in previous years, too. None have gotten a hearing.
Comment by State Rep Mike Fortner Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 3:52 pm
==I want my Illinois millionaires taxed. When’s that gonna happen? I don’t like the “status quo”.==
I want my Illinois retirees taxed. When’s that gonna happen? I don’t like the “status quo” either.
Comment by City Zen Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 3:53 pm
“It is very hard for any Cook County Circuit Judge to rule against Madigan. He controls them and their careers in so many ways.’ Actually once a judge is on the bench, unless they want to move up, Madigan has nothing to say about their career. They never face an opponent again, and the voters not retaining judges is almost unheard of.
Comment by Michael Westen Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 4:12 pm
Two rulings against two attempts (assuming the Supremes also toss this) provides a roadmap for a third attempt in 2018. The amendment could pass then and nothing is lost because redistricting won’t happen until 2021.
Personally, I agree with tossing the cutback amendment…
Comment by Pot calling kettle Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 4:13 pm
Rauner SHOULD move it up on his TA demands if this fails - there’s no excuse for the legislature not to have put a decent proposal to the voters before Rauner was even elected. Who’d have thought it would be Bruce Rauner standing firm with President Obama against the Democrats? Only in Illinois…well, maybe West Virginia.
Comment by lake county democrat Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 4:14 pm
I dunno why the rest of you get in such a huff over Oswego Willy’s shtick. I find it endearing, actually. I mean, this guy is a Republican! Remember that! Sure, he is basically Mike Madigan’s personal attack dog on this blog. And sure, he’s never said anything (outside of “I’m a Republican,”) to give us even the most minor indication that he’s a Republican. But he is one. Believe him. He says so.
Comment by Jack Kemp Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 4:47 pm
===And sure, he’s never said anything (outside of “I’m a Republican,”) to give us even the most minor indication that he’s a Republican. But he is one. Believe him. He says so.===
I’m a Republican, just not a Raunerite.
I’m very comfortable that I know I’m a Republican.
- Jack Kemp -
Another post all about me.
You can add to the discussion any time.
Honest. LOL
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 4:51 pm
Yeah you’re a regular independent mind. We’ve all heard of a Rockefeller Republican. I think we’ll coin a new moniker for you: Mike Madigan Republican. Hmm. Doesn’t have the same ring. I’ll work on it.
Comment by Jack Kemp Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 4:56 pm
Given that Donald Trump is the REpublican nominee and Ted Cruz was the runner-up, being a Republican-not-Raunerite these days is a dubious boast. Would love to know what percentage of the platform someone who in 2016 boasts they are a “Republican not Raunerite” embraces.
Comment by lake county democrat Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 5:00 pm
- cgo75 - Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 2:40 pm:
I don’t think Illinois is beyond hope. I think it’s a somewhat controversial time now but it’s purely politically driven. As much as I hate to say it….Having one party occupying the Governor’s Mansion and the other party controlling the rest is unhealthy for the state and won’t change until the Democrats take control across the board.
LOL!
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 5:00 pm
I want IL public employee unions busted. I despise the status quo.
Comment by Ron Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 5:03 pm
I want municipal bankruptcy in IL. I don’t like the status quo.
Comment by Ron Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 5:04 pm
- Jack Kemp -
Another comment, only about me.
I’m a Republican, solid Republican, it’s not for discussion or debate.
You write something that is not constitutional, you can’t wish it constitutional!
That’s what’s at play.
It doesn’t matter the “lawyer”, it doesn’t matter the “judge”, “30 years”, or “broken system”
I’m for the 3-member at large House seats in 59 independently drawn districts.
Said it now about 10 times.
Get over yourself, I’m a Republican, just not a zealot willing to be ignorant to facts that are in front of me.
Add to the discussion.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 5:05 pm
I don’t want pension protection of public union in the state Constitution. I don’t like the status quo.
Comment by Ron Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 5:05 pm
== I want municipal bankruptcy in IL. I don’t like the status quo. ==
And I want all my debts eliminated without having to pay them … just because I don’t feel like paying them; I’d rather spend the money on fun stuff! /s
Comment by RNUG Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 5:08 pm
===I don’t want pension protection of public union in the state Constitution. I don’t like the status quo.===
You’re about 46 years too late.
Next time vote for a Constitutional Convention.
Also, the ILSC already stated they’re guaranteed and can’t be diminished.
Something to consider.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jul 20, 16 @ 5:11 pm