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* Things can change in a nanosecond on days like these, but a new service tax is expected to be unveiled before the Senate Revenue Committee meets today at 3 o’clock.
In recent days, I was told that the new tax would be somewhat limited and kinda like Wisconsin’s tax. Click here for that state’s list of taxable services. Candidate Bruce Rauner proposed a limited service tax back in the day.
I’m not sure what will be in the Illinois tax at this moment. But when/if it does surface, the amendment will likely be at this link.
No vote is scheduled on this and other tax hikes at that 3 o’clock hearing. As explained below, it’s gonna be testimony only.
* So, to recap, the sugary drinks tax is being removed from the package, the income tax will be set at 4.99 percent, a corporate tax exemption on certain dividend income that was targeted for repeal likely remains intact and a service tax could become part of the mix.
And it’s doubtful that we’ll see floor votes this week…
Republican Leader Christine Radogno said she’s unsure if a series of votes will come at all this week, citing concerns from lawmakers who are worried about the size and scope of the evolving package. The plan calls for everything from raising the income tax to overhauling how schools are funded.
“It’s gigantic, there’s a lot of moving parts, we are still amending it,” Radogno said Tuesday. “I, who have been living and breathing it for two months, am still having a hard time getting my head around certain pieces. So obviously, we want to respect people who have to cast a vote, that they are comfortable.”
* As always, keep track of everything by monitoring our live coverage post below.
*** UPDATE 1 *** The Senate bill could include what’s called an “opportunity tax.” It’s essentially a tax on employers based on their payroll. It’s supposedly a low tax that could raise big bucks because there are so many employers here. It has been estimated by one business group to raise $500 million a year and it’s sort of a “nod” to Speaker Madigan’s proposal to make all corporations pay a tax. ADDING: I’m now hearing this could raise $750 million a year at the level set in the legislation.
*** UPDATE 2 *** The amendment is now public. Click here. A quick reading shows a service tax on storage, amusements, repair and maintenance, landscaping, laundry and drycleaning,
*** UPDATE 3 *** And here’s that “opportunity tax” language…
(a) Beginning on July 1, 2017, a tax is hereby imposed upon each qualified business for the privilege of doing business in the State.
(b) The tax under subsection (a) shall be imposed in the following amounts:
(1) if the taxpayer’s total Illinois payroll for the taxable year is less than $100,000, then then annual tax is $225;
(2) if the taxpayer’s total Illinois payroll for the taxable year is $100,000 or more but less than $250,000, then the annual tax is $750;
(3) if the taxpayer’s total Illinois payroll for the taxable year is $250,000 or more but less than $500,000, then the annual tax is $3,750;
(4) if the taxpayer’s total Illinois payroll for the taxable year is $500,000 or more but less than $1,500,000, then the annual tax is $7,500; and
(5) if the taxpayer’s total Illinois payroll for the taxable year is $1,500,000 or more, then the annual tax is$15,000.
Apparently, there are about 100,000 businesses in Illinois with a payroll of less than $100,000.
And, yes, the personal income tax rate will indeed be set at 4.99 percent. The corporate rate will be set at 7 percent.
*** UPDATE 4 *** The proposal also repeals the franchise tax, which is a tax hated by the Illinois Policy Institute…
Illinois’ corporate franchise tax makes no sense. It is convoluted and economically harmful, and should be repealed. Even the term “franchise tax” is misleading and outdated, as it is not a tax on the franchise locations of a larger business, such as a chain of Burger Kings. Rather, it is a tax on entrepreneurs and investments in Illinois for the privilege of doing business here.
posted by Rich Miller
Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:05 pm
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Kudos to Senators for legislating and taking on the hardest issues all at once. I imagine their staffs haven’t had a break since the election.
(Can’t we tax retirement income over $50K as well…..)
Comment by Dan Johnson Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:14 pm
A bill that shoehorns services into the existing sales tax is probably unconstitutional. See Fiorito v. Jones.
Comment by Mr. Right Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:19 pm
This definitely should be part of the turnaround agenda. What a way to improve the business climate.
Comment by Ed Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:25 pm
===See Fiorito v. Jones===
That’s a 1968 case, so it’s before the new Constitution. http://law.justia.com/cases/illinois/supreme-court/1968/41099-5.html
Also, we don’t know yet how the bill is written.
Comment by Rich Miller Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:25 pm
Dan Johnson -
Taxing high retirement income (it would probably be more like over 75k) is good public policy, but it’s a non starter for a lot of Republicans.
Comment by PJ Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:27 pm
===it’s a non starter for a lot of Republicans===
And Democrats.
Comment by Rich Miller Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:28 pm
Another regressive tax (harms the lower and middle class citizens) because legislators are afraid of doing the right thing: progressive income tax or surtax on higher incomes or taxing retirement income above a certain level ($70k?).
Comment by illnoised Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:30 pm
So disappointing. I wish the Republicans would spend as much time scrutinizing state spending as they are increasing revenue. Who do they think they are, the Democratic Party?
Comment by blue dog dem Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:31 pm
More school money for Chicago can only come from suburban and downstate school districts. If Thai is the funding overhaul- good luck with that
Comment by Sue Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:31 pm
===harms the lower and middle class citizens===
Yeah, I saw that boat slip tax and now I’m wondering if I’ll be able to afford both that and higher country club dues. What will become of the yachts of the poor and middle class? We’ll be forced to practice our chipping and putting in the parks.
When oh when will someone stand up for working people?
Comment by 47th Ward Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:33 pm
47th, lots of working people have boat slips. Don’t kid yourself.
Comment by Rich Miller Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:35 pm
===Don’t kid yourself.===
I’m not kidding myself, and I know this service tax will be regressive, but it is about time we modernized our tax structure to face the reality of our economy. A haircut tax is going to hurt, maybe put some small barbers out of business.
But if this helps Illinois pay for things like, oh, I don’t know, let me just pick one, higher education? Then sign me up.
To the extent we can spread the burden around to as many potential taxpayers as possible, we’re doing our state a favor. For too long we’ve wanted high quality services at bargain basement prices. It’s time to pay the freight.
Comment by 47th Ward Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:41 pm
47, you have Bon Jovi hair, don’t you?
Comment by A guy Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:47 pm
It’s starting to feel like May 31st. lol
Comment by Rich Miller Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:47 pm
=spread the burden around=
The fair way to do that is a progressive income tax or surtax on high incomes or income tax on high retirement incomes, not a service tax.
Comment by illinoised Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:49 pm
==It’s time to pay the freight. ==
Amen to that.
Comment by Gruntled University Employee Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:49 pm
regressive vs progressive: service tax vs graduated income tax
Comment by wondering Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:53 pm
Yeah, I know it’s considered a non-starter, but man, how many retirees are actually pulling down more than $75K/year and would really object to paying 5% of what they pull down on top of that?
I wish I had a standard deduction of $75,000 on my federal and state income taxes.
Comment by Dan Johnson Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:53 pm
Higher taxes on payroll = less employers have to pay their employees.
Madigan accuses Rauner of wanting to hurt middle class wages but that would do exactly that!
Comment by OMG Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:55 pm
==Higher taxes on payroll = less employers have to pay their employees.==
It’s not like they’re all plowing every cent back into salary and benefits in the first place.
Comment by Arsenal Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 1:59 pm
47th. We spend to much on higher ed.
Comment by blue dog dem Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 2:00 pm
Are these changes to add votes in the Senate or to gain votes in the House and support from Rauner?
Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 2:01 pm
==A quick reading shows a service tax on storage, amusements, repair and maintenance, landscaping, laundry and drycleaning==
In determining how much this raises, be sure to include the stimulative effect to the Democratic Attack Ad industry.
Comment by Arsenal Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 2:02 pm
==It’s starting to feel like May 31st. lol==
Good!
I have always thought that the first things done in any session should be directly budget/appropriations-related. Especially true now. That’s where I would have gone big on any changes to House rules.
Let the thousands of other bills wait, until we agree on the big numbers. Use the Rules committee as originally designed, to allow non-budget bills out only on an “emergency” basis, or to move the budget agreements along.
Comment by walker Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 2:07 pm
Another incentive for a business to move out of state and/or keep payroll down, which I would think we would want to incentive the the opposite (more businesses, higher payroll).
Comment by Ahoy! Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 2:11 pm
==Madigan accuses Rauner of wanting to hurt middle class wages but that would do exactly that! ==
The last time I checked, Madigan hadn’t weighed in on any of this.
Comment by Gruntled University Employee Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 2:13 pm
==legislators are afraid of doing the right thing: progressive income tax==
It would also require changing the state constitution, so the barrier is very high.
Comment by whetstone Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 2:14 pm
===We spend to much on higher ed.===
LOL!
Comment by 47th Ward Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 2:16 pm
Perhaps bigger news…the stripper tax is being rescinded by the same amendment and “live adult entertainment” is being lumped in with baseball, dog shows, and ballet among others under the category of “amusements”.
Comment by Swift Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 2:18 pm
I’m not sure how this anything but shuffling around a bunch of different tax hikes. No real reforms, or cuts. Just deciding who’s going to pay for the current system.
Comment by NaperThrill Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 2:22 pm
In 2009, the old widget factory had a payroll of $1,217,000. Ended the year with an operating loss of $63,000. Mrs Blue and myself did not take an income. So we get the priveledge of paying an extra $7500 to keep 17 people employed. Wow! That’s creative way of keeping businesses around. No wonder we need a DCEO and tax credits.
Comment by blue dog dem Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 2:25 pm
==Just deciding who’s going to pay for the current system.==
Just paying for the current system would be a start. Right now, the bill backlog and pension hole are huge.
Comment by Tron Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 2:30 pm
Cookie, Cookie… which bill has the cookie now???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDelGqj7UGQ
Comment by Anon221 Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 2:37 pm
== That’s a 1968 case, so it’s before the new Constitution. ==
It may still serve as case law. The IL SC considered decisions before 1970 on the pension issues.
Comment by RNUG Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 2:47 pm
On the “opportunity tax”, those Farm Bureau members might want to really take a close look at that. I just skimmed it, but it doesn’t look like it would exempt LLC, partnerships, etc. So, if you have family that qualify as “actively engaged in”, you just might fall under this new tax.
Background:
https://www.fsa.usda.gov/programs-and-services/payment-eligibility/actively_engaged/index
Comment by Anon221 Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 2:48 pm
So when I call my State Sen and Rep, will they get the point if I just urge support for “the budget deal” or would a little more specificity help?
Comment by In 630 Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 2:50 pm
If challenged, odds are that any kind of income tax surcharge targeting a specific group or income level will eventually be ruled unconstitutional given the flat tax provision adopted in 1970.
But if nobody challenges it, there is a presumption that anything adopted by the GA is constitutional.
The smart thing would be to adopt the proposed increased flat tax rate plus other taxes needed to balance things that sunset if a graduated income tax is adopted in the future. Then pass a graduated tax amendment to be presented to the public in 2018 and let the taxpayers decide if they prefer this hodgepodge or a progressive income tax.
Comment by RNUG Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 2:55 pm
There wasn’t a better way to word it than “for the privilege of doing business …”? Really? Somebody reviewed this language, contemplated the various ways opponents might object and thought to themselves “nope, this language is air-tight, there’s no way anyone could oppose this, send it to LRB and get it filed”?
Comment by The Captain Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:03 pm
This will be good for “The Crossroads of America” not the “Land of Lincoln”
Comment by Texas Red Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:05 pm
Will Rauner’s checkbook buy Republican votes for tax hikes that they have insisted for more than a decade are unnecessary?
Let’s hope so.
Comment by Truthteller Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:05 pm
Tax things you want less of like soda, cigarettes, alcohol… oh and in IL; employers.
Comment by Robert the 1st Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:06 pm
As SB owner the “opportunity tax” is annoying but not large enough to materially affect my hiring or compensation decisions. Let’s not blow this out of proportion.
Comment by ChicagoVinny Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:07 pm
People are already fleeing Illinois.
Comment by Keyser Soze Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:14 pm
Well this must be a solid compromise because apparently no one in the comments is happy…
But seriously, so far I’m impressed with the tough decisions the State Senate has been making.
Comment by Chicago_Downstater Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:16 pm
==There wasn’t a better way to word it than “for the privilege of doing business …”? Really?===
It sounds lousy to be sure, but it appears that it’s carrying over language from previous legislation. It’s been a while since it’s been such a privilege to do business in Illinois.
Comment by A guy Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:18 pm
I have a small LLC that does not employ anyone. I am the only “employee”. I currently pay 250/yr to IL for the LLC. Are they going to add another 225 to that? I’ll close shop first, its really not worth it.
Comment by blue collar Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:22 pm
=for the privilege of doing business in the State=
I like it. Shows how IL Democrats truly feel.
Comment by Robert the 1st Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:22 pm
Captain @ 3:03 pm ==There wasn’t a better way to word it than “for the privilege of doing business …”? Really?==
Check out how many of the existing tax statutes have that language. It’s really a holdover from the 1870 constitution, which provided relatively limited taxing powers to the General Assembly, but included the power to tax “privileges,” so many taxes were imposed on the “privilege” of engaging in the taxable activity.
Comment by Whatever Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:23 pm
Robert the 1st @ 3:22 - wrong again.
Comment by Whatever Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:24 pm
===Shows how IL Democrats truly feel===
And supported by GOP Leader Radogno.
Comment by Rich Miller Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:27 pm
On this very blog over the years we consistently have the “don’t let the door hit you on the…” comments on any article about business fleeing.
Comment by Robert the 1st Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:27 pm
Among the privileges are access to roads and a court system to settle disputes. Public education used to be thought of as a public good too, once.
Comment by 47th Ward Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:28 pm
Will Madigan eventually surface his millionaire’s tax? Probably not good to see gone that. He’s been talking about it for three sessions.
Comment by Winnin' Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:28 pm
“Not good to ignore that”.
Dang auto spell.
Comment by Winnin' Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:29 pm
“Taxing high retirement income (it would probably be more like over 75k) is good public policy, but it’s a non starter for a lot of Republicans.”
It’s also likely a non starter for a lot of SURS and TRS retirees. In FY 2016 about 1 in 4 TRS and 1 in 7 SURS retirees had pensions of $72,000 or more.
Comment by CapnCrunch Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:30 pm
@Blue Collar. I don’t know what income your LLC brings in, but it seems you are tripping over a dollar to pick up a dime. Surely what you gross offsets the additional tax. I’m not a small business owner,so I could be wrong with my thinking, but….
Comment by Yiddishcowboy Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:31 pm
@blue_collar, based on Update #4, I think your $250 is the franchise tax. So for you this is a $25 tax cut. Don’t spend it all in one place!
Comment by Anonymous Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:32 pm
The “opportunity tax” is the worst kind of employer tax: if you want to provide incentives for job creation, you don’t tax employers based on how large their payroll is.
Comment by Robert the Bruce Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:39 pm
47th. My property tax (and yours) , covers those things.
Comment by Blue dog dem Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:42 pm
===My property tax (and yours) , covers those things===
Not all of them Dog.
Comment by 47th Ward Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:56 pm
==Apparently, there are about 100,000 businesses in Illinois with a payroll of less than $100,000.==
==the personal income tax rate will indeed be set at 4.99 percent==
For the same revenue, they could raise the personal income tax rate to 4.999 and eliminate the $225 tax on the 100,000 small businesses, plus save a lot of processing costs.
Comment by OldIllini Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 3:57 pm
@ A Guy
I think you’re right about it being a holdover from previous language. Thanks.
Comment by The Captain Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 4:03 pm
Aye, Cap’n! Thanks for the kind words.
Comment by A guy Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 4:16 pm
===More school money for Chicago can only come from suburban and downstate school districts.===
With the lowest property tax rate in all of Cook County, I think that many suburban Cook County tax payers would object to this statement. In many suburban areas of the county the property tax rate for schools (K-12) alone is equal to or even higher than the total property tax rate in Chicago.
For example, the combined property tax rate in Chicago for 2016 for all units of government was 6.867%. In Niles the property tax rate for K-12 schools alone (district 67 plus district 219) was 7.443%.
Comment by Small town taxpayer Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 4:48 pm
“I lowered your taxes!”
From 5.00% to 4.99%. It’s a comedy, right?
Comment by Anon Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 4:51 pm
==It’s not like they’re all plowing every cent back into salary and benefits in the first place.==
So we should then further discourage them to do so? Briliant.
Comment by Anonymous Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 6:32 pm
Why don’t we tax retirement income over $60,000?
Oh, because one party panders to unions and both pander to old people.
Comment by Matt P. Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 6:39 pm
Our company provides services to the State of Illinois and lost money in 2014 and 2015 - primarily due to lack of work resulting from the lack of a state budget. Under the new “opportunity tax” proposal we would have paid (lost) an additional $7,500 per year for the opportunity to keep giving our employees a paycheck while they are idle due to the state’s inability to pass a budget! Thanks Illinois!
Comment by Libertas Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 6:51 pm
Republican support in the House will be all about the ratio of the annual dollar value of cuts vs. new revenue. Unless it’s close to 50/50, the only way the House would pass this is with almost all D votes, which would create ammunition for 2018; so, it would die in the House. With an even ratio? Then it’s all up to Rauner.
Comment by Tom K. Tuesday, Jan 24, 17 @ 10:55 pm
A tax for the privilege of doing business in the state of Illinois????
Good grief!! You can tell the members of the legislature just love small businesses.
Comment by Piece of Work Wednesday, Jan 25, 17 @ 7:04 am