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* How do you think the Senate’s grand bargain can be revived? Or can it be revived? Explain.
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Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:34 pm
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When or if the Supreme Court decides an appropriation is required to pay state employees.
Comment by Norseman Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:38 pm
Not going to put me in the trick bag. He’s watching!
Comment by Red Rider Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:38 pm
Oh just save it
Comment by Dooooode Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:40 pm
Sorry, explanation seemed self-evident. This would create a crisis that would require action. The great bargain is the closest we’ve gotten to a solution that would resolve the crisis.
Comment by Norseman Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:40 pm
When the Governor And Madigan grow up….never
Comment by Former Mayor Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:41 pm
DEAD.. the Republican Leader was walked down the aisle by BVR only to be left at the altar, completely humiliating her. The Senate President strung his members out for a plan that would never be supported by the Gov. There is a reason why big deals are introduced on May 30th with a 1 hour posting. Big deals are toxic and tough, the longer they are exposed, the easier it is to mount an attack. The Grand Bargain laid on the table way too long.
Comment by Wow Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:41 pm
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Comment by 47th Ward Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:42 pm
Former Mayor - I didn’t see any reporting that Madigan did anything to scuttle the Senate deal. We know that Rauner did. Is blaming Madigan for everything now just a reflex?
Comment by TominChicago Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:43 pm
Rauner doesn’t want a deal. He hasn’t wanted a deal since he started unless it resulted in his total victory. Hard to bargin with someone who does not want to compromise. Changing that point will change everything. Say what you will but Madigan passed budgets under Blagojevich.
Comment by Nearspringfield Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:44 pm
This ad looks so funny now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-5SPXz2KIc
I guess the “deal” with the Governor is going to be that in exchange for butting out, he gets to take all the credit for solving the impasse
Comment by Grand Avenue Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:44 pm
I’m guessing TominChicago isn’t a subscriber
Comment by Grand Avenue Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:45 pm
“How do you think the Senate’s grand bargain can be revived? Or can it be revived?”
Not “until we get an indication from Republicans that there is Republican support for proposals they helped put together.”
– MrJM
Comment by @MisterJayEm Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:52 pm
- 47th Ward -
You nailed it!
Thanks for the chuckle.
Comment by WhoKnew Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:54 pm
47th: I was thinking more
https://media.giphy.com/media/JjuNzYq6O7voc/giphy.gif
But your idea works too.
Comment by Skeptic Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:56 pm
Probably never with Rauner as gov. He cannot be trusted, sometimes even by his own party.
Comment by oldman Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:57 pm
I heard something once about feeding them after midnight or getting them wet but could be mixing up my revival recipes…
No Grand Bargain until after 2018 election in my opinion. I hope I wrong but all signs point to Illinois continuing down this rabbit hole.
Comment by frisbee Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:57 pm
When Rauner stops dropping his “G’s” and starts governing. You need the G in order to govern.
Comment by Keyrock Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 2:59 pm
I think - Norseman - had 85.5% of it.
The pressure of a court order and no payments to any enployees, including “Superstars” will be a huge motivating factor…
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:00 pm
Nearspringfield - hits the nail on the head.
To borrow from the previous thread, the idea that the governor is interested in anything besides getting everything he wants is “BS.” To assume otherwise is to assume *facts* not in evidence. The claims of the governor and his ample staff of spinners that they really do want a deal to the contrary, the only fact is that we are into the 22nd month without a budget, a condition that is clearly tolerable to the governor and evidence that he is going to be OK with a 23rd, 24th, 25th…
Cullerton has learned to his chagrin what Madigan already knew.
Comment by Moe Berg Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:00 pm
Ha. No. But if you want something more relevant, meaningful, and perhaps more fruitful… Spring training Sox baseball is on 890 right now. Far more worthwhile enjoyment and a better chance for success (meaning more than 0%).
Comment by Ducky LaMoore Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:04 pm
Jay Cutler files a workers comp claim?
Comment by Juice Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:05 pm
When the governor produces legislation on every topic in the grand bargain that he will support, which can be a basis for negotiations and which include a feasible budget, then they can start talking. If he’s just going to keep moving the goal posts reaching for pie, then there’s little point.
Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:06 pm
- Grand Avenue - I’m guessing TominChicago isn’t a subscriber
I am not. What did I miss?
Comment by TominChicago Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:11 pm
I do not see a path to victory. The approach is flawed. Tying the bills together invites a legal challenge. The pension solution will fail in court. And the math counts savings that cannot be realized within the needed time frame.
Rauner has given no signal he wants a budget. He must lead for there to be a deal.
And Madigan remains an unknown.
Comment by Last Bull Moose Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:13 pm
If the AG gets her way with no paychecks I’d think something would have to get done. If the Illinois Supreme Court doesn’t stop the pay then I assume we enter November 2018 with no budget.
Comment by Seats Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:20 pm
In 2019 !
Comment by Railrat Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:28 pm
I see it like the trench warfare in WW I. Gains can only be made with a major loss of life or equipment. Character assassination hasn’t worked. Unlimited money hasn’t bought control via political power. Selective crises haven’t gotten the population outraged.
So I really don’t see any way to revive this or reach a deal until one of two things happen: the citizens of this state finally pressure the Raunerite party members,more than Rauner’s money can intimidate them, to rebel against its’ leader or (2) the courts shut the state completely down and Rauner (because Governor’s own - hat tip to OW) is forced to cut a deal with Madigan and Cullerton on their terms, not his.
Comment by RNUG Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:31 pm
Seats, I think if the supremes do not stop pay then AFSCME will have to strike. Shutdown either way. But either decision will force the governor into a bargaining position he doesn’t want to be in because it will be proven he cannot bargain in good faith. He’ll have to give on some things and I just don’t think it’s in his genes to give.
Comment by Casual observer Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:36 pm
I believe it’s best to pay in cash.
And I believe that Jesus is coming back,
before the grand bargain does.
Comment by AlfondoGonz Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:37 pm
Stop the temporary crap and do more of his turn around agenda. With all the other raises in fees and taxes we need a cap on property tax. Look at all the new fees and taxes in the Chicago area(that still do not fix the problem) and then you add all the new State taxes and fees that turns into a hell of a bite in your earnings. The legislature needs to tell AFSCME enough is enough.
Comment by Stand Tall Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:40 pm
Tominchicago - your right Madigan did nothing. He is supposed to be the leader and nothing gets done without his leadership. He did nothing.
Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:42 pm
Maybe a 20 year intermission … that worked for The Eagles.
Comment by RNUG Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:43 pm
Ok, to the Post,
I’d start with - Norseman - and the state employee aspects, then the rest comes down to Rauner realizing, between Mendoza not assisting in a strike fund and the possibility of one or more state universities having severe closings, be that the entire university imploding, or losing its accreditation, and you marry all that with Social Services and State Employees, and Higher Education, and Municipals, and K-12 all deciding that Governors own, because even the Tribune seems to have had enough… that 14.5% comes in on pressure of total collapse.
Note:
That’s also Diana Rauner, Uihlein, Griffin, and the GOP GA members STILL… “all-in” with Bruce… until each individually say orherwise…
… like Leader Radogno said… alone.
Then you have the stalemate broken.
As Diana Rauner says… “a business decision” happens.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:43 pm
Is the question for real?
The events of the last week proved that there is no one to negotiate with in the GOP Senate caucus. Rauner runs the GOP there and in the House, too.
Comment by wordslinger Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:46 pm
Will it ultimately pass? Who knows?
I do think a version of this will get lobbed into the House. Not sure what else might even happen. The House comes up with their own “grand bargain” that goes backwards from this one?? Might happen, but that’s a nonstarter.
Something will happen when everyone on the second and third floor realize there’s only ONE game in town…and this is it. The Gov could be experiencing a third tough week in a row. That’s somewhat virgin territory for him.
Action, reaction, re-reaction, scrum. It’s coming.
Comment by A guy Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:47 pm
Anonymous. The legislation is in the Senate not the house. Madigan has not said that he would not support leg and there is no evidence that madigan was ordering Senate Dems to vote no. In fact it looks like there were enough dem votes for the deal. It was Rainer who pulled votes out.
Comment by TominChicago Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:48 pm
Nope. Rauner has shown himself to be completely untrustworthy, and the GOP has shown themselves to be completely spineless, with the exception of Radogno. Either he would have to do something completely out of character, so far, to show that he is sincere and not Lucy pulling the football away, or the GOP would have to grow a spine and stand up to him. I don’t see either happening.
Comment by pawn Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:52 pm
I’ve tried to stay optimistic about this, but I have reluctantly concluded that Rauner simply doesn’t care about the budget or the state’s dire financial condition. So my answer is a qualified no: If the SC says that employees can be paid without an appropriation, then there will be no budget until after the 2018 elections. But if they agree with Lisa Madigan and there’s a total shutdown, there’s a chance—less than 50 percent, I’d say—that some variation of the Grand Bargain will pass. Personally, I think it’s more likely that the GA will chicken out and pass a standalone appropriation for salaries.
Comment by tobias846 Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 3:54 pm
DOA, in the grave, bones have crumbled to dust. 1.4% never wanted a budget. To have a signed budget would mean he would lose his sole reason for existence as governor, he could not longer blame Madigan for the problems of the State.
Comment by Huh? Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 4:02 pm
-Casual observer-
I don’t think an AFSCME strike by itself will do it. That is something Rauner actually wants because he thinks he can control the damage and that he will win that confrontation. But if there is significant loss of life during such a strike and you can honestly blame Rauner for it, that might be enough.
I can only envision 2 other scenarios that could create enough pressure: total state shutdown with no replacement workers or K-12 schools not opening in the Fall.
Comment by RNUG Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 4:05 pm
RNUG mentioned another possible tipping point I had forgotten to mention: K-12s not opening this fall. That could be even more disruptive than a state shutdown. Plenty of people who couldn’t care less about a state government shutdown would freak if the schools didn’t open.
Both the Governor and the GA have figured out that there are only two things they absolutely must do: Keep the lights on in state government (but don’t pay bills) and keep K-12s open. Absolutely everything else is optional.
Comment by tobias846 Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 4:14 pm
“I don’t think an AFSCME strike by itself will do it.” I’ve got news for you two: AFSCME is doing it’s darnest to *not* strike.
Comment by Skeptic Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 4:22 pm
We will never have a budget as long as Rauner is Governor. It’s just not in Rauner’s best interest for Illinois to have a budget.
Comment by Chicago 20 Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 4:23 pm
Where I live, state money for education is nice but not critical. We could function without it.
Not sure how that K-12 lever works in each legislative district.
Comment by Last Bull Moose Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 4:24 pm
@ Last Bull Moose:
In my area, we get approximately 37% of our revenues for K-12 education from the state, 8% from the feds, and 55% is from local sources. Obviously, 37% is a big deal to us.
Comment by East Central Illinois Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 4:27 pm
End masse resignations.
Seriously. There will be no bargain. Grand or not-so grand. Its just to close to the 2018 election.
Comment by blue dog dem Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 4:45 pm
It will happen only if something…perhaps an adverse court decision?…forces the governor’s hand. Otherwise, whenever Charlie Brown gets close, Lucy will pick up the football.
Comment by IRLJ Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 4:50 pm
Although I don’t think Rauner cares about the budget, he might sign one IF he got enough Turnaround Agenda items to give him bragging rights. But if there’s no budget, he still wins because he’s “starving the beast.” Win-win.
I also think his Lucy-pulling-away-the-football shtick is a political calculation. He thinks if he keeps moving the goalposts, maybe more TA items will be added, which means more wins for him. And if the GA stops playing along, then he still wins because “starve the beast” continues.
Comment by tobias846 Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 4:57 pm
Seems like the gov is a ‘one trick pony’.
In his former business, as I understand the reporting, he’d take a company & squeeze it until it capitulated.
Our failed gov has been trying the same, apparently only, approach he knows for 2 1/2 years on IL & with zero results.
One trick pony & not smart enough to figure it out. Or maybe even care.
Comment by sal-says Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 5:31 pm
When the bond issuance ask reaches ten billion AND the bond rating is junk, Rauner will be willing to make a deal.
Comment by Yeah Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 5:33 pm
The grand bargain takes another $7 billion of our money out of our pockets correct? If so that is an increase of approximately 22% in revenue for the State based on their recent yearly revenue. You take that much money out of the economy and you better get a lot of reforms in exchange and the current grand bargain doesn’t get that done.
Comment by Arock Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 5:38 pm
What about the prospect of Rauner losing in 2018? Yes I know that there are lots of factors in an election, such as the quality of the opponent and messaging, but three years without a budget? How does a governor run on that?
Comment by Grandson of Man Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 6:20 pm
When its January 2019
Comment by JAH Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 7:21 pm
East Central Illinois,
I have friends in Paxton and know that different districts are affected differently. Question is whether there are enough districts that don’t care.
37 percent is a crippling cut. Is your Senator a Republican?
Comment by Last Bull Moose Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 8:32 pm
Rauner and the Republicans own it now.
Remind voters every day they blew up the grand bargain.
Remind voters every day that Rauner has taken us $12 billion deeper into debt.
Remind voters that Republicans are digging us $500,000 deeper into the hole every hour, $11 million every day, $350 million every month.
Give the governor his wish: no more partial budgets. They haven’t worked.
Comment by Free Set of Steak Knives Thursday, Mar 9, 17 @ 11:04 pm
@ Last Bull Moose 4:24
Don’t know what suburb you are in, but there districts in the state (particularly South of I-70) that get 50% (or more) of their funding from the state, and they’re going to be sweating payroll in May. They also tend to be places that gave the majority of their electoral votes to Rauner and Trump, but you can’t have a discussion about self-defeating behavior with these folks. They’re Republicans who demand FEMA checks, and by God, they’re going to get their state school money, too…
Comment by Lynn S. Friday, Mar 10, 17 @ 1:01 am
Grand bargain is an enigma created last summer and perpetuated till after the election, it’s time to move on forget about it not a chance
Comment by Rabid Friday, Mar 10, 17 @ 5:35 am
By electing a new governor.
Comment by Robert the Bruce Friday, Mar 10, 17 @ 8:46 am
@ Bull Moose at 8:32 p.m. 3-9-17
Yes, we have a GOP Senator and a GOP Rep. Our school district has reached out to both people numerous times to get them to DO THEIR JOB - and yep, you see the results of that (snark).
Comment by East Central Illinois Friday, Mar 10, 17 @ 9:04 am