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…Adding… Press release…
Rauner Releases Digital Ad – “The No. 1 Change”
Highlights Real Stories Behind the Need for a Property Tax FreezeAs lawmakers return to Springfield to work on passing a balanced budget with reforms to end the impasse, Rauner today released digital ads highlighting real stories of Illinoisans hurt by crippling high property taxes.
Property taxes are driving people and businesses out of their homes. That’s why Governor Rauner is pushing so hard for property tax relief in Springfield.
It’s the number one reform needed for a budget.
posted by Rich Miller
Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:19 am
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OK, I’m all for property tax relief. To do it properly though requires a much higher state income tax than Governor Rauner is proposing.
If you don’t replace lost local revenue with state revenue, then you’ll have 40 kids per classroom in your schools. That’s the trade-off. Everything else is spin.
Comment by 47th Ward Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:22 am
And exactly how does property tax relief affect the State budget and GRF?
It doesn’t!
Comment by RNUG Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:24 am
“If you don’t replace lost local revenue with state revenue, then you’ll have 40 kids per classroom in your schools.”
Which would amount to laying off, I don’t know, a third to even half the teachers in the state?
Comment by Nick Name Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:25 am
C.
I realize that about half of this footage is from the Grand Property Tax Tour, but unless Citizens for Rauner tells me who these people are, where they are from, and the circumstances of their high property taxes, they mean no more to me than Caroline (I think that was here name) from last year. She lived all over Illinois based on her multiple campaign “PSAs”. It only takes a subtitle of name and at least city or county to make these three people real and not a staged “Caroline”. If you don’t make it “local” to the State of Illinois, how do we, the viewers, even know these three people are from Illinois? Surely Citizens for Rauner or Team Rauner got photo and video releases on the Tour? (last sentence with a touch of snark)
Comment by Anon221 Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:29 am
Testimonials resonate with people, and property taxes are a leading issue for home owners in IL. I give it an A.
Comment by Tollway Tommy Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:30 am
Ok.
Now tell me how Schools get funded?
“Rate it”
It’s an “A-”
It’s not an accident it’s :30 seconds. You only need :30 seconds to say what polls well, but you need 100+ pages of school funding formula possibilities to show how this freeze can effect schools.
You have a senior and a young family. No diversity, but in age, and in :30 seconds, the idea is planted. It works.
It’s dishonest also to the real goal, the real long term goal … end prevailing wage and collective bargaining, but if all of Labor doesn’t know that…
It’s an “A-”, as phony and dishonest as it is…
… it’s also the only message out there.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:32 am
And here I thought Rauner’s number one goal was to bust unions, both public and private sector.
Comment by DuPage Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:36 am
Playing people by tapping into their anger over first installment of taxes now due
Comment by Rabid Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:36 am
That is a compelling message. B +
Comment by Saluki Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:40 am
Weren’t “term limits” the number one, most needed reform back in May?
I’m not confused, just annoyed at how cynical Rauner can be.
Comment by Lynn S. Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:43 am
I’ll give it a “C’ for cynicism.
I must have missed the property tax relief bill Rauner signed. And I thought he wanted a property tax freeze… wouldn’t that freeze these big property tax increases in place? I suppose relief polls better than freeze. All this guy does is regurgitate whatever polled well. Does he think people won’t realize he’s been Governor for years? Incumbents usually run on accomplishments, but he has none.
Comment by TopHatMonocle Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:46 am
I can feel the Unity in the air right now.
Comment by Give Me A Break Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:52 am
The man in the ad thinks Rauner cares about cutting costs. As folks from the south would say, “bless his heart”.
The ad is ok, I’d give it a C, but that’s probably not fair. I suspect Rauner is far more concerned with putting the squeeze on local government employees than he is about property taxes. That’s too bad, we have an opportunity to shift taxes from property to income while making school funding more equitable.
Comment by AC Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:52 am
I am too biased against Brucie to independently rate anything he does. This is all such a fraud. My wife changes the channel whenever he appears. Property tax has nothing to do w/ the state budget anymore than any of his other hairbrained agenda demands did. It appears that you can fool most of the people for at least 2.5 years…
Comment by d.p.gumby Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:55 am
eh, on the ad. Hard to watch Gov Junk without being cynical.
NWS, property taxes in Illinois are ridiculous because >60% of the property tax bill goes to local schools.
Madigan needs to go public with a tax swap idea.
What is needed is a freeze in exchange for the progressive income tax change on the 2018 ballot with a guaranteed swap in funding.
Let’s see if these talkers can actually DO something for the middle class in Illinois.
Comment by cdog Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:55 am
For viewers’ gut reactions: A-
If viewers stop and think about it: D
Let’s all be honest. You don’t eliminate one major source of revenue without replacing it with something else. And let’s not forget the billions of dollars in backlogged bills Illinois has run up during this impasse.
Effective ad, but so is a shell game.
Comment by Streator Curmudgeon Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:58 am
I got property tax relief last year. It was called escrow. We split the mortgage payment in half, added a bit for taxes, put the payment into savings, bank takes it out once a month. First time in years that I don’t have to think about paying taxes. Bank does it for me.
Comment by Huh? Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 11:59 am
===If viewers stop and think about it===
Which most won’t. Anyone who relies on viewers to think about an ad isn’t doing it right.
Comment by Rich Miller Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 12:04 pm
===Anyone who relies on viewers to think about an ad isn’t doing it right===
Exactly right. Which is why our (deleted) is so (deleted) up.
We get the government we deserve.
Comment by 47th Ward Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 12:07 pm
Methinks most here, surprise!, want to avoid talking about the effectiveness of this piece & the messaging Rauner has accomplished as to property taxes.
He owns this issue & it resonates with voters. Property taxes & Madigan is the devil who has killed IL is how Rauner is re-elected.
Comment by Deft Wing Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 12:08 pm
==OK, I’m all for property tax relief. To do it properly though requires a much higher state income tax than Governor Rauner is proposing.==
Colorado has a 4.63% flat state income tax and an effective property tax rate 4x lower than Illinois. Why does Illinois require a “much” higher state income tax?
Comment by City Zen Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 12:09 pm
Is there any chance that Madigan will try to negotiate a tax swap?
If not, why not?
It’s such an easy solution if you don’t have ulterior motives.
Comment by cdog Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 12:10 pm
CZ, if you take local money out of schools by freezing property taxes, you’ll have to replace that money from some other source or make unpleasant cuts to local schools. Teachers aren’t going to work for less money in the future.
I’m not familiar with Colorado though. Would you mind telling me how they fund their local schools?
Comment by 47th Ward Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 12:11 pm
Meanwhile he’s working to massively raise other taxes. So dishonest.
Comment by just sayin' Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 12:12 pm
===Methinks===
Unless you’re Sneed or William Shakespeare, it’s clever by half, lol
===Rauner is re-elected.===
Slow down, Speed Racer.
If you learned anything from Munger-Mendoza, and factor in both a 58% disapproval for Rauner today and Rauner behind double-digits to an unnamed Dem, who would predict Rauner winning so easily today?
Can Rauner win. Yep.
Will Rauner win, with this as the catalyst…
Mendoza 2016 seems to say “Hmm… “
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 12:15 pm
I too want to hear all about Colorado. Does it have an economy and population the size of Illinois? So much to compare.
Comment by JPC Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 12:23 pm
House just waived posting on SB 484, 2 year property tax freeze.
Comment by winners and losers Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 12:24 pm
===So much to compare===
Like federal mineral rights payments to local governments and schools. Illinois gets a lot of money from those too, just like Colorado, right?
Comment by 47th Ward Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 12:29 pm
47th - Per the US Census Bureau, Colorado schools get 42% of their funding from the state, a few % points less than the national average and several % points more than Illinois. That’s with a flat tax (applicable to retirement income) that’s lower than what our new rate will be and significantly lower property taxes.
Comment by City Zen Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 12:35 pm
Thanks CZ. How do those federal payments factor in to their property taxes overall?
Also, too:
Colorado public schools receive funding from a variety of sources. However, most revenues to Colorado’s 178 school districts are provided through the Public School Finance Act of 1994 (as amended). In budget year 2016-17, this legislation provides for over $6.3 billion of funding to Colorado school districts via state taxes ($4.1 billion), local specific ownership (vehicle registration) taxes ($159.4 million), and local property taxes ($2.12 billion).
https://www.cde.state.co.us/cdefinance
Comment by 47th Ward Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 12:37 pm
Illinois is top 5 in state and local tax burden. Any tax relief will help the fast shrinking taxpayer base of this insolvent state.
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 12:44 pm
47th - Colorado has the same 7.9% federal funding rate for education as Illinois. Plus Colorado, like Illinois, is near the bottom in being one of the least federally dependent states.
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/
Comment by City Zen Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 12:58 pm
Let’s not forget that CO has very bright politicians, unlike Illinois. They have legalized and now regulate and tax the sale of pot. Hundreds of millions of $s are flowing into state coffers from this alone.
Comment by Ron Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 1:00 pm
- City Zen -
How do compare… Ski season… Or tourism… or towns that have whole economies based on weather… Hmm.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 1:03 pm
Can we at least agree to legalize and tax the sale of pot in Illinois?
Comment by Ron Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 1:04 pm
CZ, according to Colorado, the state pays 2/3 of the cost of education, with property taxes paying 1/3. Also, I’m not talking about federal education aid, I am talking about the money Colorado gets from the federal government for leasing mineral rights. According to the Colorado Dept. of Education, that money goes to schools and local governments.
Don’t you think maybe Illinois property taxes might be a skosh lower if we had the federal government kicking back some cash for selling mining rights on our land?
Your comparison doesn’t add up. I stand by my point: if you take local money out of education funding in Illinois it will need to be replaced by some other money. Or, you’ll have to cut education funding.
There is no viable third option.
Comment by 47th Ward Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 1:06 pm
The pensions could surely use $300-400 million a year from taxes raised from the sale of pot.
Comment by Ron Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 1:07 pm
Government 101 taxes fund the municipalities in all facets…property taxes have nothing to do with the budget or GRF. If believe anything in this commercial you are a lost soul. The reason for the budget crisis is the underfunding and double dipping in the pension system. They city of Chicago pays over 80% if not all pensions throughout the state. You want real change, get a progressive tax that makes everyone pay their fair share and get a governor and general assembly willing to pass it…that’s it and that’s all..
Comment by pskila Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 1:07 pm
Better idea is shift pension burden on to school districts and allow municipal bankruptcy.
Comment by Ron Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 1:08 pm
I’m fine with a progressive income tax, if we reduce property taxes, elminate teachers unions, eliminate pensions for teachers and eliminate all pension protection from the state constitution.
We will be amending it anyway with the progressive income tax.
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 1:10 pm
47th - I’ll concede I don’t know the breakdown of fed money, but I’ll point you to this from Ballotpedia”
The table below notes what share of Colorado’s general revenues came from the federal government in 2013. That year, Colorado received approximately $6.4 billion in federal aid, 27.8 percent of the state’s general revenues.
https://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_state_budget_and_finances
The table below notes what share of Illinois’ general revenues came from the federal government in 2013. That year, Illinois received approximately $17 billion in federal aid, 25.9 percent of the state’s general revenues.
https://ballotpedia.org/Illinois_state_budget_and_finances
I have little doubt Illinois doesn’t get much help from the feds (paging Dick Durbin…), but I don’t think Colorado’s that much different.
Now back to more relevant comparisons…like Minnesota! /s
Comment by City Zen Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 1:17 pm
City Zen, Illinois has horrible congressional representation. We are near the bottom in dollars out vs those received from the Feds.
Of course our state government is the worst.
Comment by Ron Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 1:22 pm
==and allow municipal bankruptcy.==
Ugh. You are a one trick pony. You seem to get a kick out of thinking up any way possible to stick it to someone by taking away their retirement.
Comment by Demoralized Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 1:24 pm
City:
Illinois has more than twice as many students in public schools than Colorado (2M vs. 850K). It’s going to require a bit more money to educate those 2M kids.
And a lot of that federal money is going to be for Medicaid and other social services.
Comment by Demoralized Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 1:29 pm
Demoralized, get a grip. The public workers pensions are killing the vast majority of Illinois tax payers ability to fund their own retirement. And BK doesn’t necessarily mean that pensions will be reduced. Spending will of course.
Comment by Ron Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 1:30 pm
CZ, you also need to concede you were wrong about the share of education funding paid by the state in Colorado. It’s closer to 65% than 42%.
If Illinois paid 65% of the cost of education, your property taxes could actually be lowered.
Finally, because you’re a good sport, here’s some free knowledge: municipal and county governments in Colorado receive more than $25 million from the feds just for the mineral rights the federal government has. There is an additional payment for grazing rights too.
That federal money sure keeps the pressure off of property taxes, don’t you think?
https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/dola/direct-distribution-severance-tax-federal-mineral-lease
Ballotpedia is not an authoritative site for this stuff. They dumb things down to allow for simple comparisons, sacrificing accurate info for clicks.
Comment by 47th Ward Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 1:30 pm
Demoralized, do you understand percentages. I guess the good news is that Illinois is losing population, so education needs are shrinking.
Comment by Ron Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 1:32 pm
Over the last two years how many “number one” reforms have we had??
And by the way Governor, if you get your property tax reform how many GOP votes are you going to put on Senate Bill 9? You’ll have a better chance trying to get Dracula to eat garlic than to convince enough GOP House and Senate members to vote for more taxes.
Comment by Great Caesar's Ghost! Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 1:41 pm
Ron:
You’ve made clear you want to stiff people on pensions. Own it. It’s ok. I’m frankly getting tired of your one line drive by commentary with your proclamations of “death spirals” and “abominations” and whatever other cute adjectives you can think of. If you’re angry and unhappy then leave. That goes for anyone else who is unhappy. I’d rather they leave then moan about everything. If you’ve got time to continually moan about everything then you’ve got too much time on your hands. I’ve got better things to do with my time than lament about what pension someone else is getting or what someone else is getting paid. I simply don’t care.
Comment by Demoralized Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 1:45 pm
Anyone remember “The Rent is Too Damn High” political party? Maybe we can get a “Property Taxes are Too Damn High” political party in Illinois.
Comment by Demoralized Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 2:01 pm
==Illinois has more than twice as many students in public schools than Colorado (2M vs. 850K). It’s going to require a bit more money to educate those 2M kids.==
Total students is less important than $/pupil. According to that same US Census report I cited earlier, Colorado spends $3,600 less per pupil across all funding sources. On top of that, Colorado has more Hispanic residents as a percentage of total population), so I’d guess ESL requirements are about equal.
Illinois does have more people living in poverty, so that will be a factor. But make no mistake, they do just as much as us for a lot less.
Comment by City Zen Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 2:06 pm
I had a longish comment but apparently it got eaten.
Illinois’s economy is the size of the Netherlands. But our per capita GDP is like Germany. How does Germany do things tax-wise? Is it more than us? Less? Is it more efficient?
Comment by JPC Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 2:09 pm
===How does Germany do things tax-wise?===
Have you ever heard of the Google? C’mon, man, you’re gonna ask us about German tax policy?
Comment by Rich Miller Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 2:11 pm
Why aren’t all the tax and spenders howling for pot legalization? That would be the easiest way for Illinois get more revenue without killing the citizenry in more income or sales tax. I know it won’t solve the problem, but $400,000,000.00 annually is a nice pension payment.
Comment by Ron Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 2:14 pm
And why not close EIU and CSU to save some money?
How about no new road construction for 5-10 years? Only repairs.
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 2:15 pm
@Richmiller–
That was a joke.
Comment by JPC Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 2:17 pm
Demoralized, I love Illinois, I grew up here and have family here. And the City of Chicago, where I live is the best city in the country for what I need. But our politicians and the public worker unions that they live and breath for have brought the state to its knees. People are fleeing in droves due to outrageous taxes. It must stop.
Comment by Ron Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 2:18 pm
Property tax freeze expand the financial crisis to the local governments. The GOP wants to give communities local control and wants to restrict them from having the ability to control their budgets.
If the people want to change property taxes elect new school board members that will cut funding and lower the property taxes
Comment by Really Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 2:30 pm
Unfortunately it is playing on people’s general ignorance about how the tax system operates. And people don’t really understand it, so the ad works.
Comment by NoGifts Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 2:32 pm
Why is this even being discussed?
As others have stated no property taxes go to the state! So I useless for state budget. And Bruce has never provided economic evidence any local increases will happen.
I can believe people fall for this ad! The FREEZE DOES NOT LOWER any persons property tax.
Hopefully Dems are create numerous ads about how deceptive Bruce is the ads where people have a belief their property tax will decrease.
Comment by Jim O Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 4:42 pm
Here’s my idea for a property tax bill
Whereas IL GOP has $70 million in funds,
and IL GOP constantly advocates for ‘local control’,
Then Gov Rauner as his acolytes should begin attending city, county, schools, other property tax entities
and get that board to pass a resolution (of whatever duration) to not increase their tax levy ($ budget may increase due to evaluation change)
Then IL GOP with Governors lead will be able to provide clear evidence (after removing other factors) of the substantial growth in communities that freeze property taxes causes.
Comment by Jim O Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 4:47 pm
Iowa decades ago switch from local property tax support of schools to state income tax levels. The legislative dialog ever year in IA is how much of state funds to spend on schools. Plus local schools are allowed to pass a school surtax which many have!
Comment by Jim O Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 4:51 pm
== Better idea is shift pension burden on to school districts and allow municipal bankruptcy. ==
You can’t legally shift the existing school pension fund debt. State would still owe it.
Comment by RNUG Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 4:56 pm
==Iowa decades ago switch from local property tax support of schools to state income tax levels. ==
According to the US Census Bureau, Iowa spends $2,000 less per student on education than Illinois. 2 million Illinois students * $2,000 savings would save Illinois $4 billion each budget year.
I agree, let’s follow Iowa’s example.
Comment by City Zen Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 5:06 pm
–Methinks most here, surprise!, want to avoid talking about the effectiveness of this piece & the messaging Rauner has accomplished as to property taxes.–
The Victim is strong in this one.
Pat Quinn was peddling property tax relief and term limits 30 years ago.
It ain’t a heavy lift to be against other units of government levying taxes. It’s just another form of unfunded mandates.
Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 5:25 pm
Municipal bankruptcy makes your point mute . Illinois needs it.
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 6:08 pm
===Municipal bankruptcy makes your point mute . Illinois needs it.===
Something can’t be moot if it needs to happen first. So, there’s that.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jun 21, 17 @ 6:10 pm