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Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:04 pm
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It’ll be a whopping few hundred dollars less per year. Woop dee doo.
Comment by Sick & Tired Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:06 pm
Less in my income, that is.
Comment by Sick & Tired Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:07 pm
It won’t.
Comment by George Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:07 pm
It will take a small amount of money out of my check, all of which I can deduct from my federal taxes. After a couple of checks, I won’t notice it very much.
Comment by Chicago Cynic Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:08 pm
My family will have less money to save. Very sad
Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:08 pm
It won’t. I’m retired.
Comment by Retired Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:10 pm
Pack a few more lunches, drink water instead of soda. I’m an Illinoisan, not an IPIie “free stater”.
Comment by Anon221 Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:10 pm
Let’s see: At $90,000 a day times an additional 1.2%. That’s $1,080 a day. Holy Cow!
#fakegovernorrauner
Comment by don the legend Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:12 pm
I’ll pay a penny more on the dollar to the state, and in return my kids will attend public schools, I’ll ride public transit and drive on safe roads, breathe clean air, be protected by police and fire, and much more. Good deal.
Comment by Reality Check Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:13 pm
I’ll start getting reimbursements for dentist and doctor visits that we had to pay out-of-pocket, and maybe DCFS will reimburse us for fostering expenses. My job at a state University should be more stable too.
Comment by Stuff Happens Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:14 pm
Right now it won’t affect me at all. But, I’ve been rich and I’ve been poor in this roller coaster that is my life and if I fall on hard times again this probably will affect me… In a very positive way.
Comment by Gruntled University Employee Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:14 pm
Costs us about $500. Was supposed to go toward my wife’s replacement knee.
Comment by hurts Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:15 pm
I will pay what I paid three years ago. It wasn’t a big deal then.
Comment by walker Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:16 pm
Clearly I am going to be less free /s.
And the answer is…not much. Eat out once a month less and be happy that bills, including my medical and dental reimbursements, are being paid.
Comment by Simple Simon Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:16 pm
I do OK, so I’ll barely notice. I’ll appreciate the services it pays for.
Comment by Terry Salad Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:16 pm
Very little. I’m retired except for doing a few odd jobs occasionally.
Comment by Interim Retiree Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:16 pm
It won’t hurt my bank account much, but it’ll stick in my head and make me upset that I’m not receiving any new benefits from it - this money was spent years ago.
Comment by JoeyK Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:16 pm
I won’t be able to get that second soda I’ve been eyeing for awhile
Comment by Rogue Roni Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:17 pm
We will notice it for sure.
But it’s money well spent if some kid can go to college, become a productive citizen, and, I don’t know, maybe improve our lives down the road.
Comment by JPC Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:17 pm
Didn’t really notice it the last time it was raised, don’t really expect to miss much this time.
Comment by downstate commissioner Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:17 pm
I’ll leave Illinois when I can. Not because of the taxes, which are tolerable. Because the state is headed for either 1. insolvency, or 2. ruinous levels of taxation.
Comment by perry noya Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:19 pm
Was eyeing a new vehicle…will have to search for something about $80 cheaper per month, now - or - find another way to cut $80 out of my monthly budget: Won’t be easy, but won’t be that difficult, either.
Comment by Dublin Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:22 pm
Kids’ college savings funds will definitely take a hit, plus 7% compounded interest lost on smaller deposits.
Comment by City Zen Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:22 pm
No appreciable effect. Glad to be putting it into the system to help get things under control in the state.
Comment by Archiesmom Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:23 pm
My paycheck will be slightly smaller, and I’ll probably get into an argument with my uncle about whether it was necessary.
Comment by Actual Red Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:25 pm
I don’t have any income because I lost my job due to the state not having a budget, so it won’t affect me. If I were still collecting unemployment than it would affect me, but that ran out months ago.
Comment by Just Me Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:26 pm
what Reality Check said
Comment by doofusguy Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:26 pm
My family will pay what we paid three years ago.
I don’t recall our being reduced to dressing in rags, but some the comments above would lead you to believe that must have been the case.
– MrJM
Comment by @MisterJayEm Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:27 pm
I hope it means improved services. Or at least fewer service cuts.
Comment by Cheryl44 Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:27 pm
Retired, so it won’t affect me. In fairness, Illinois should tax some level of retirement income.
Comment by up2now Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:28 pm
Few bucks less a month in the bank, but it won’t affect my lifestyle at all. And since it probably saved the smaller universities and hopefully some social services, it’s money well spent.
Comment by MSIX Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:28 pm
I wont be spending 1.2% of my income as the state will take it from me. Collectively the post is falling all over themselves saying it is nothing. The cumulative effect among all consumer in Illinois pulling back spend that is now taxed is massive. The local mom and pop retailers will feel the pinch most. Of course the Dem’s will finish them off with the proposed minimum wage hikes.
Comment by Texas Red Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:29 pm
I’ll hear about it endlessly on porches during the primary. I’ll hear about it half as much in the General. It’s a bag of groceries per week. For some people that may be a lot. People will survive. But not quietly.
Comment by A guy Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:32 pm
It really won’t. It’s something like $55 dollars a month, which is well below my monthly surplus, even after what I put away for retirement and other savings. I don’t plan on making any changes to my spending, I’ll just save up a little slower. Now, I have a very good job, am single with no debt or dependents and in good health, so I am in no way struggling to get by, which is not the case for most.
Comment by Perrid Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:33 pm
So Texas Red why wasn’t business booming when the income tax rate dropped two years ago?
Comment by Rogue Roni Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:37 pm
Financially - it’s cost me an extra $60.24 a month. If it helps ensure there’s a community college or university where my children can get a decent education or helps prevent some child from having his oxygen taken away - then the cost is more than worth it.
Comment by Name Withheld Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:39 pm
I won’t be worried about the state’s university system totally collapsing and maybe just maybe one of my kids will consider going to college in Illinois and I won’t have to discourage them.
Comment by filanges Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:41 pm
Just over $5 a week.
Comment by Spliff Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:41 pm
Nowhere near as much as seeing $300 million being wasted on campaign ads that are so ubiquitous and ugly no one bothers watching.
Comment by tmfbitu Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:42 pm
Positively.
Comment by Ash Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:42 pm
I read on an IPI website or one of Proft’s papers that it was going to take an additional 32% of my salary so I assume that our spending will be crimped.
Comment by TominChicago Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:44 pm
The state income tax is, and always has been, one of the least of my worries when it comes to expenses. If, for example, out-of-pocket medical costs could somehow be limited to 4.95% of my income, I’d be one happy camper.
Comment by yinn Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:48 pm
I’ll have less money in my pocket.
Comment by DuPage Bard Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:48 pm
Sad thing is this costs most average families hundreds a year. The sadder thing is the bloated property tax system cost them thousands. Where is the outrage. #Passivesociety
Comment by Greatplainser Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:50 pm
It will help my local economy.
Comment by Saluki Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:54 pm
About $30 a week
Comment by Nick Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:55 pm
Lower contribution to college fund for our kids.
But a bit less likely anyone in our family will be a victim of crime, since some of the tax money is going to social services.
Comment by Robert the Bruce Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:57 pm
Social Security is not taxed. Will cost us about $75 a month on salaries and investments. We will miss it but survive.
On the plus side the State might pay a medical bill from last year. Otherwise it will mess up my credit.
Comment by Last Bull Moose Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 3:58 pm
@Texas Red - Agreed. It’s a zero sum game. The $1.25 the state gets is $1.25 I either cannot spend or $1.25 I cannot save.
Comment by City Zen Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:02 pm
@Sick & Tired - maybe a few hundred dollars isnt a big deal to you, but it seriously hurts many others
Comment by Annoy Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:06 pm
It really is not that much. And I’ll gladly pay it because I want a balanced budget. But business sentiment is not positive in Illinois.
Comment by BrianP Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:15 pm
It will cost my family close to $4000 per year. We are not happy.
Comment by Ron Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:15 pm
I’m (mostly) retired, so not much. But if I was still working, it wouldn’t bother me because I understand and appreciate the schools, roads, services taxes pay for.
I hope everyone remembers that the new tax rate is less than the old tax rate and that not having a higher tax rate during the Rauner years made a terrible situation much worse.
Comment by WTF Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:19 pm
Texas Red is correct. I’ll play this little game where we won’t go out to eat as much and when we do it will be a local establishments, not chains. Will be more prudent with gas purchases, watch for sales, etc. In effect they won’t get more money from my family.
Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:21 pm
It will take a small amount of money out of my pocket. It will also allow my kids’ schools to stay open all year (assuming the fight over SB 1 gets resolved), help ensure that state universities are an option for my kids when they’re that age and allow me to contribute to a better quality of life for myself and my neighbors, especially those who are sick, disabled, addicted or in need of some support. It will make Illinois a place my family and I can continue to live, that isn’t collapsing around us. That sounds like a great deal to me.
Comment by Commander Norton Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:22 pm
It will mean that my wife’s check is a little smaller and my quarterly estimate is a little larger. Probably won’t even notice it once I change the numbers. Kind of like the $5 I hand the homeless guy on the corner or the extra I put in a restaurant tip. I recognize that the $5 means a lot more to him than it does to me.
Comment by Out Here In The Middle Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:22 pm
“- Ron - Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:15 pm: ”
But, but… Ron, its less than what you paid 4 years ago.
Comment by Mama Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:24 pm
Ron, does that mean you’re going to have to join a lesser golf club?
Comment by Glengarry Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:24 pm
I’ll have to listen to my two die hard anti tax Republican buddies rant once again at the bar after softball tonight. Then I’ll point out to them once again that they both pull down healthy six figure + salaries and what it means to them vs what it means to the state infrastructure. They won’t budge, I won’t budge, we’ll order another beer and change the subject.
Comment by Ben Gazzara Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:26 pm
It will allowed this retired guy to stay in Illinois.
Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:26 pm
=WTF=
“I hope everyone remembers that the new tax rate is less than the old tax rate”
The old rate as you allude to was indeed 5%, however it is important to remember that both parties agreed to pass legislation that made that rate temporary from 2011-2014, with a sunset and a reduction down to 3.75%.
Comment by Texas Red Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:30 pm
It won’t affect me much. And just like the last time they raised taxes, it won’t improve the State’s fiscal position either. That’s the problem with this new budget, it just kicks the can down the road. I wish I could be optimistic, but Madigan and Cullerton don’t provide any reason to be optimistic.
Comment by Fredo Corleone Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:32 pm
Ron, you make a darned good living. Have d ome compassion for the 95% who make less than you.
Comment by Simple Simon Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:36 pm
I’m happy that the state is taking the first step to pay its bills and avoid a fiscal meltdown.
Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:41 pm
Ron, you’ll pay $4,000. So, $4,000/1.2% = $333,333 income. I can see you pain.
Comment by zatoichi Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:42 pm
For me, the tax increase makes it less likely that I’ll be laid-off from my nonprofit organization. Now that the budget is in place and fully funded, the pressure is off. Unfortunately it came too late for more than 30 of my colleagues.
Comment by 47th Ward Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:46 pm
As someone said above, it’ll take a small amount of money out of my check, all of which I can deduct from my federal taxes. I’ll take that for ensuring our state universities aren’t unaccredited and the state’s social service agencies don’t all close.
Comment by Knight Rider Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:49 pm
Actually, zatoichi, if Ron has offset the increased state income tax with the reduced federal tax liability to come up with his $4,000 figure, he makes a lot more that $333,333. If not, it’s going to cost him less than $4,000, so hopefully that will cheer up his unhappy family.
Comment by George Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:50 pm
Just to clarify, most of Rob’s income comes from his super model wife
Comment by Rogue Roni Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:53 pm
That money would have helped me pay for me children’s education. I hate golf. Never would join a country club.
Comment by Ron Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 4:54 pm
What is the price of being plucked from the precipice of a fiscal cliff? I’d pay even more.
Comment by Dome Gnome Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 5:05 pm
Up2Now. Don’t Give Illinois Politicians Any Ideas On Taxing Retirement.We Pay Enough Taxes. Taxing Retirement Income Is MEAN Spirited.
Comment by Shake Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 5:06 pm
==it wouldn’t bother me because I understand and appreciate the schools, roads, services taxes pay for.==
So those things weren’t appreciated at all when we were paying 3.75%? It’s not like those things were free before.
Comment by City Zen Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 5:07 pm
I feel so sorry for you Enron. That breaks my heart to hear someone who is losing $4,000 a year because your family makes over $300,000 a year. Such a penalty to be upper middle class.
Comment by Glengarry Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 5:14 pm
Ron, good news. The $4,000 more you will spend will help fund education! Happy days are here again.
Comment by George Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 5:18 pm
Anyone who pays any attention to the news in Illinois knew this was coming for the past two and a half years.
What is frustrating is that too many politicans think that is all that is required.
Virtually no reforms to Illinois government or our business environment is a disgrace.
Property taxes are a much bigger driver for people and businesses leaving the state.
It will take a huge sea change in the next election to fix Illinois.
I would hate to be a democratic consultant trying to weave a campaign message that defended the status quo in property tax, workers comp, term limits, redistricting, pensions etc.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 5:22 pm
It’s not insignificant, but not enough that “saving” it was worth the damage caused in the last two years.
Comment by ChicagoVinny Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 5:24 pm
My refund will be a little less.
Comment by Flip357 Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 5:29 pm
===I would hate to be a democratic consultant trying to weave a campaign message that defended the status quo in property tax, workers comp, term limits, redistricting, pensions etc.===
Meh.
Rauner is at 58% disapproval and vetoed the current budget being used to run the state.
Like the Lake County flooding, IEMA?
“Rauner vetoed that”
When anything that requires the existence of a budget…
“Rauner vetoed that”
Thank good bed for the bipartisan budget for flood assistance in Lake County.
If it was up to Bruce Rauner, “Rauner vetoed IEMA funding”
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 5:40 pm
I’ll sleep better knowing that our schools, hospitals, and human service programs won’t completely implode.
Comment by Veil of Ignorance Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 5:40 pm
Since I’m retired, it won’t affect me. But it should. The state should tax retirement income, which is nothing more than deferred wages. Retirees, like me, enjoy the same services as everyone else in the state; we should be paying taxes to support those services. Most states tax retirement income if they have an income tax; Illinois should join them.
Comment by jdcolombo Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 5:51 pm
It will affect me as much as the tax cut did. Not at all.
Comment by Alton Giant Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 5:55 pm
I will have to get the coffee and donut from home instead of Caseys.
Comment by Huh? Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 6:05 pm
It will cost me an additional $54.01 a paycheck. Big deal.
Comment by ILGOV2018 Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 6:07 pm
I will pay about what I paid 3 years ago, but now I won’t have to keep laying off staff.
Lucky Pierre, we will start listening to your prattle about “reforms” when you or your Governor can show with real numbers the impact of these so-called reforms will have on our economy. Here’s a pro tip: change does not equal reform. The first definition of reform is to make changes in order to improve it. We have not seen any quantification of the improvement. In the Kansas, real-world example, these fake reforms actually made things worse. Stop whining about reforms - start showing us how they will make our lives better. With real numbers.
Comment by pawn Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 6:08 pm
No property tax relief is a far bigger deal than the inside baseball of a Governor’s veto.
What percentage of Illinois residents have the foggiest idea of what you are talking about OW?
They understand their tax burden far more and that is advantage Rauner
Comment by Lucky Pierre Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 6:21 pm
===percentage of Illinois residents have the foggiest idea of what you are talking about…===
People understand.
Like in Lake County… IEMA… Rauner vetoed the funding.
If/when the state comes in, Rauner vetoed all that help.
You shouldn’t worry then, people won’t understand…
“Rauner vetoed that”
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 6:24 pm
I live a modest but very comfortable life. Given the pain and suffering we have been subject to for two years, this modest increase is not a sacrifice at all and will not impact my lifestyle in any way.
Comment by illini Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 6:25 pm
Illinois again moving up the ranks of highest tax burdens in the nation. We get very little to show for that tax burden. The money my family will lose due to tax increase would have been better spent by me on goods and services. Pensions of state workers are a massive drag on the economy.
Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 6:28 pm
Pawn
If you can’t read understand the metrics on the Illinois economy and out migration and not think we need economic and government reforms I can’t help you.
Inspite of what your left wing propaganda might try to tell you, Kansas and Illinois could not be more different.
In Illinois, the Governor was perfectly willing to sign a tax increase but thought that just a permanent tax increase with zero reforms would do more harm than good. How is that similar to Kansas?
If you have ever been to Kansas you would realize no matter how low taxes there are not many people want to live in most areas of the state.
The Democrats and the 11 Republicans who agreed to permanently raise taxes with no changes to Illinois will have to defend that vote.
I would guess most of them will lose their next election
Comment by Lucky Pierre Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 6:36 pm
- Lucky Pierre -
lol…
===…with… ===
Revenue, for the 9,758th time, was never a give, it was always required.
Can’t trade off a required element with a want.
The rest of your drivel is quite embarrassing, given daily many of us point out your willful ignorance.
If anything trying to lecturer - Pawn - really shows how little you know if what you speak, and how much you’re willing to ignore when spreading your own “reality”.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 6:46 pm
Eating off the pick 2 menu and asking for a cup of water. Not a big deal.
Comment by Mike Cirrincione Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 6:48 pm
Nominal unless OW lands AWillyWord Consulting a giant State job.
Comment by Arthur Andersen Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 7:01 pm
I’m sure having higher taxes are going to help with demographic implosion
Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 7:02 pm
It won’t, I am in Iowa
Comment by Hawkeye Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 7:05 pm
As retirees it will not affect me or my wife one iota. We also support it- the money/ revenue is clearly needed by state government to support many useful things that the State can provide assuming it has the revenue to do so. The freaking out over this is just political nonsense and nothing more. Most people can handle it and the societal benefits far outweigh the affects of this for most people.
Comment by Cash Beardsley Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 7:20 pm
Speaker Madigan, Senator Cullerton and Senator Harmon are saying publicly reform is necessary, not a want.
Is it drivel when Moody’s, the USA Today and top Democrats all say the same thing I am saying
This has to be the very first time you disagree with the Speaker
Comment by Lucky Pierre Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 7:25 pm
- Lucky Pierre -
For what could be the 3rd time today…
Holding K-12 hostage for a want, and for the dame exact language Brady had in his bill… Only Raunerites want that.
Not following Rauner, a failed governor, doesn’t make me by default with Madigan.
It’s has to be tiring being as dense as you are - Lucky Pierre -
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 7:29 pm
13.50 a week plus whatever my property taxes and local sales taxes go up. Because they will go up.
Comment by Sgt. Slaughter Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 7:31 pm
All of the parties except you don’t think pension reform is a want.
Did you read Moody’s ?
Comment by Lucky Pierre Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 7:37 pm
Do folks understand how the Illinois economy has yet to recover the jobs lost since 2000? Increasing one of the highest tax burdens in the nation won’t help.
Comment by Ron Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 7:39 pm
===Did you read Moody’s ?===
Rauner told you, and me, not to worry about Moody’s…
So there’s that, lol.
Same circle with you.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 7:43 pm
I expected a larger tax increase, so it won’t affect me as much considering my expectations.
Comment by FormerParatrooper Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 7:48 pm
Hello Moody’s
Oswego Willy here your report about the pensions is drivel.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 7:51 pm
“Hello Moody’s
Gov. Rauner here, your report about the pensions is drivel.”
Rauner actually said it to reporters.
To the QOTD,
The monetary difference to save higher ed, social services and this state from the purposeful collapse driven by Diana and Bruce Rauner is worth every penny extra I’m paying.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 7:56 pm
No effect on Illinois tax, because no tax on pensions or SSA payments.
Comment by OldIllini Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 7:58 pm
We are happy to pay the extra 1% to keep social services and state universities open.
Comment by ajjacksson Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 8:03 pm
$1700 dollars less out of my pay check annually and for what ? So I can feel better about the pend spend spend tax debt being paid off ? What it really means ? Less disposable income that i would use for things like money for my kids college education fund or 10 less times a year I take my wife out for nice dinner or a set of tires for my truck or a new refrigerator and so on.
Comment by the Cardinal Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 8:13 pm
LP — I say this with respect for your tenacity, but please, give it a rest. You (and some others) haven’t yet been able to sell the Rauner line here in the absence of data tied to specific claims, especially about the baseline for policy decisions and the supposed effects of Rauner’s reforms. Generalities are unpersuasive. Until such data are provided, you (and others) will continue to be unsuccessful. Data-driven discussion is always welcome, but argument by ideologically grounded assertions advances nothing. So again, please give it a rest. And also again, I say this with respect.
Comment by Flapdoodle Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 8:38 pm
@Flapdoodle - I am not one who is willing to take on the incongruous and disingenuous ramblings of LP, but I never miss the sparring he has with Willy. And I appreciate Willy calling him out for the 9,758th time.
Thank you for giving Willy additional support. Very well reasoned and written response.
Maybe I should give Willy more support to counter the willful ignorance evidenced by LP and a few others, but I am sure many, like myself, will always defer to the master.
Comment by illini Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 9:16 pm
- illini -
You are much too kind. Thanks.
And do jump in.
:)
OW
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 9:23 pm
@Willy - I am always tempted, but you always seem to reflect my thoughts in a much more concise, pointed and reflective manner that I could. Besides, you can hit the “Say It” button quicker than I can.
And there are still far too many Anonymous commenters on this site. That curtails many responses. Agreed?
Comment by illini Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 9:36 pm
The ” - Anonymous - “, the only thing I’d wish if they want to discuss things, pick a name.
Otherwise - @MisterJayEm - has the best rule I need to follow more.
Hope you’re well - illini -, always enjoy you comments on the posts, so share when you can.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 9:58 pm
Illini — thanks for the kind words and agree re OW’s efforts.
Comment by Flapdoodle Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 10:11 pm
The school I work in won’t be shuttered — this year.
Comment by Ed Higher Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 10:25 pm
Yes let me also weigh in on the mutual admiration society and the consistency of everyone calling out all of the ideologically grounded assertions (less than 10% of which advocate for the Governor’s side) no matter what side of the aisle they come from.
Moody’s, USA Today are not the Illinois Policy Institute FYI.
OW will no doubt respond as always with some boiler plate rehash.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 10:28 pm
- Lucky Pierre -
Rauner told you, and told me, not to worry about Moody’s
So why all the concern, lol
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 10:30 pm
I will sleep better knowing that the medicaid funded and programming and group home where my developmentally disabled sibling resides will not become a further hostage of this Governor…at least this year. Governor, We can be compassionate w/o preconditions if we establish budgetary priorities. That requires a state budget that you vetoed. Thanks to IL leaders who made it happen.
Comment by Johnnie F. Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 10:31 pm
More of the same from the government employees and poverty pushers
Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 10:32 pm
Sigh
Comment by Flapdoodle Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 10:32 pm
===And there are still far too many Anonymous commenters on this site. That curtails many responses. Agreed?===
Everybody is anonymous CF blog except guys like Schnorf who had the courage to use their real names.
Comment by justacitizen Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 10:41 pm
$1.20 extra a week per $100 of income is all that’s between surviving and starvation for some of you? Give me a break
Comment by iroquois county dem Thursday, Jul 13, 17 @ 10:59 pm
Lucky Pierre refuses to accept reality. Rauner will not answer any questions. Do you support Trump? What is your position on Trumpcare? How would you implement any of the financial reforms you consistently advocate, like pension relief, funding K-12, higher education? Most of us enjoy Oswego Willy’s insight because he is remarkably balanced in his approach. You want to paint him as a Madigan sycophant to diminish his points because you can’t do it on the merits. You are nothing more than a partisan hack regurgitating Rauner’s rhetoric. Go to his Fixillinois.com site and see for yourself that he has no plans to actually accomplish any of his goals. Everybody knew that we needed to raise revenue, cut spending and get serious about a long term plan for pensions. You act like a petulant child when OW and others stick to facts which contradict your narrative that Rauner will save us. Rauner has been an epic failure and a missed opportunity.
Comment by Trapped in the 'burbs Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 12:17 am
Trapped. I kinda like Trump..Obamacare is(was) a joke. K-12 funding needs to be reduced.higher ed funding needs to be reduced(more). OW is sometimes cute, but like most liberal progressives, doesn’t care about the plight of the working poor and middle classes. I love when people use the them ‘everybody’. When you use it, do you mean career politicians and bureaucrats? Or only the highly intelligent?
Comment by blue dog dem Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 6:20 am
Oswego Willy is remarkably balanced in his approach and not a Madigan sychofant?
Like an umpire, he calls Republican’s and Democrats our equally?
If there is one poster on this site who does not want to deviate from any of the failed policies of Madigan it is OW.
Wow
When exactly do we get serious about a long term plan for pensions?
What is the plan to pay for the increased state contributions under Medicaid that Obamacare will require? Not to mention the expansion of free abortion on demand services Democrats advocate for?
Medicaid was designed in the 1960’s as a health care plan for the poor who did not work. Now that Obamacare expanded the program for the first time to single working adults without children, slowing the rate of growth for those people is being portrayed as heartless. I would say expanding a program that can’t be paid for and is causing huge deficits in Illinois and across America is brainless.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 7:08 am
I am relatively new here, and really don’t want to get into the running dialogue, but I am perplexed on why so many here seem to attribute all the ills of Illinois (nice pun don’t you think?) to Rauner?
I am not an ardent supporter of the Governor, but Illinois has been on a jet sled to financial disaster for many years, and the constants have been Madigan and Cullerton. Don’t both of these men make a living by gaming the system?
The combined taxes paid by residents of this state are high are they not? The regressive income tax and sales tax punish the lower and middle classes. The property taxes punish anyone silly enough to own a home. And there is no shortage of new ideas to take more and more. This won’t end well, because the last time the state had a 5% income tax, the fiscal outlook for Illinois did not improve.
There are some that comment here that this could all have been avoided if the state had properly funded the pensions, but that only would have increased taxes earlier and at a much higher rate. The exodus of those that could leave would only have happened sooner. This is a problem in excess of $100B, and it will only get worse.
I am not hard hearted, at least I don’t think I am. I want to see those most in need of help get it. But by not addressing the largest problem, those in greatest need will get pennies, while the political lifers such as Madigan and Cullerton and their clan will continue to enrich themselves. Term limits would have solved so many of these problems. The Democratic political machine never existed to help those in need, it existed to feed the greedy ones running it.
I’ll shut up now, and I hope I am wrong, but when Rauner is replaced by a democrat, the problems of this state are not going to go away.
Comment by Fredo Corleone Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 7:21 am
Good post Fredo. Don’t go out fishing on Lake Michigan today ok?
Comment by Lucky Pierre Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 7:31 am
- Trapped in the ‘burbs -
Thank you. Sincerely. OW
===If there is one poster on this site who does not want to deviate from any of the failed policies of Madigan it is…===
This is a lie. I have been for, in comments directed towards you, and I can show you lie in QOTDs as well.
I prefer fair maps. I agree in workers’ comp.
Your lie here is a blatent dishonest attempt to ignore what I have said, and what we’ve discussed, and you know it, or you must have severe memory issues, which I know you don’t have because of your constant talking points you remember daily.
I don’t agree with Rauner 100%
That’s is my “sin” according to you.
===What is the plan to pay for the increased state contributions under Medicaid that Obamacare will require?===
When Governor Rauner says the word “Trump”, let alone discuss his positions, the positions that matter, I’m sure I may weigh in
===Not to mention the expansion of free abortion on demand services Democrats advocate for?===
When Rauner vetoes HB40, and shows a Right agenda, not “no social agenda” as Diana Rauner peddled…
I already answered this once asked. You know that too. Use the search key. You just can’t stand that I’m not the governor, because you are again here elevating me here to things I have answered that Rauner just won’t even begin to address.
===Medicaid was designed in the 1960’s as a health care plan for the poor who did not work. Now that Obamacare expanded the program for the first time to single working adults without children, slowing the rate of growth for those people is being portrayed as heartless. I would say expanding a program that can’t be paid for and is causing huge deficits in Illinois and across America is brainless.===
So… where does Rauner stand, lol
I get you’re frustrated with Rauber, that you prattle on and on and ate refuted day after day.
Making it about me, lie about me, or question me on things Rauner won’t discuss, but elevating me to a higher standard that Gov. Rauner, on things I will give a stance, but Rauner won’t.
I can handle your ignorance, I can’t handle your false presentation of my thoughts that you know better.
Comment by Oswego Willy Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 7:47 am
With income tax increase and property tax increase that’s $4k less for my family. Also, why do we ignore that the private sector offers plenty of colleges and universities. Why does the state need to support higher educating anymore?
Comment by Eloy the Sock Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 8:27 am
- Eloy the Sock -
Which state university do you want closed?
Will Rauner be willing to tell “Charleston, Carbondale, Edwardsville, Macomb” a downstate town their college is being forced to close, just because Rauner doesn’t want Higher Ed?
Why won’t Rauner?
Comment by Oswego Willy Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 8:37 am
A few extra dollars here for taxes and a few dollars there for taxes and then throw in new utility taxes for storm sewer upgrades and then property tax increase for schools and then Bamm you have well over a hundred dollars a month in new expenses to the government. We seemed to have forgotten that all of the temporary tax increase did not go away. We still had a 25% increase over what the original tax was before the temporary increase.
Comment by Arock Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 8:45 am
It won’t impact me outside of having about 50 bucks less in my paycheck every two weeks, but it will serve a greater good in terms of services provided to those in need so I am 100% ok with it.
Comment by Too Much to Handle Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 8:46 am
It will not affect me at all. I’ll still save what I save, buy what I choose to buy, and spend what I choose to spend.
Comment by Mongo Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 8:47 am
Not much.
Comment by krgray2@ilstu.edu Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 8:57 am
One less beer per day.
Comment by tobor Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 9:00 am
Lucky, you’re right. I should not have said everybody appreciates OW because clearly, you don’t. For those of us that are sick of gridlock, his posts are usually insightful and fair. He appears to possess a deeper understanding of the Springfield processes than the rest of us. My personal frustration with the governor is is refusal to explain how he intends to accomplish anything. Please show me one instance where he has legimately proposed a budget or put forward some specific legislation to accomplish any of his stated goals. He fails to accept that he needs to get the votes to pass legislation and has held firm while the state’s dire financial situation got exponentially worse. You attack OW and give a pass to Rauner on everything. OW is not a Madigan cheerleader but you dismiss him because he posted nys out that Rauner’s administration continues to miss opportunities. Yes, Madigan is to blame for the bulk of this decades long history of mismanagement but Rauner has found a way to make things worse.
Comment by Trapped in the 'burbs Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 9:26 am
*his
**points out
Forgive the typos
Comment by Trapped in the 'burbs Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 9:29 am
Looks like its going to cost my family about $16 week. While I do have other things I might rather spend it on, I’ll happily pay that to keep schools open, have some road repairs made, get local medical providers paid, get small businesses paid, get social service agencies paid. If those things happen, it’ll also help keep my neighbors employed so they don’t lose their house or have to move away.
Comment by Biscuit Head Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 9:29 am
As you can probably guess from my nickname, I’m retired so no effect on me. It will cost my wife around $25/month — Less than a trip to the movies. NOT having a budget cost my son his job.
Comment by Past the Rule of 85 Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 9:32 am
~$114 a month. This combined with the estimated increase for health insurance (~$80 to $120 a month) almost wipes out my pay increase I got this year.
Will it put me in the red, no. But it will change my spending habits and I would assume a lot of other people’s as well.
Comment by SKI Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 9:54 am