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* From the “think tank”…
.@capitolfax tell Steve Brown aka wordslinger that if he cared about the democratic process he’d get his boss to change his House rules
— Illinois Policy (@illinoispolicy) July 13, 2017
It should go without saying that Wordslinger is a frequent critic of the House Democrats’ messaging. He ain’t Steve Brown.
Sheesh.
* The poor darlings were apparently stung by this Wordslinger comment on a story yesterday aimed at them…
If I could be radically candid, don’t tell me your problems, tell me your solutions that you can accomplish through the democratic processes as set forth by the Constitution and statute.
You’re in an action position now, not a coffee klatch. The taxpayers are compensating you very well. Get to work.
So, apparently Speaker Madigan is to blame because they couldn’t get their own budget plan passed. Yep. All on him and those darned rules.
posted by Rich Miller
Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:01 am
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How petty, to go after a random comment. Isn’t there something better they can do?
Comment by Arsenal Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:03 am
oh no you didn’t!!!!! messing with someone who comments here, and someone as respected as Wordslinger, is not just mean, petty, and ridiculous, it will now mean more scrutiny than ever.
Comment by Amalia Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:06 am
Congratulations Word!
Getting called out by the IPI should be considered an honor.
The national equivalent of getting called out by Dick Cheney on DOD issues.
Comment by Deadbeat Conservative Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:08 am
IPI taking the Trump civilized approach at tweeting and running the government I see. Off to a great start
Comment by Baloneymous Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:08 am
What part of the “democratic process”, pray tell, does IPI want changed? The House rules, and the way Madigan uses them, are not popular with liberals. But would a change in rules allow Rauner’s ideas to flourish? Which ones? Who would be for them?
The fault lies not in the stars, IPI.
You act like you have no place in government.
Comment by Blue Bayou Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:08 am
So THAT’S why there was no word on the the flooding. It was obviously wordslinger’s fault.
Comment by Interim Retiree Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:09 am
Can any one of us actually say we have an unblemished record of decency, civility and candor? If you can, kudos to you and enjoy your time in earth before your ascension to sainthood.
Comment by Sonny Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:10 am
Speaker Madigan and the wordslingers he controls.
Comment by Name Withheld Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:12 am
===Can any one of us actually say we have an unblemished record===
Only one person that I know of: John Tillman.
Comment by Rich Miller Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:13 am
As in other cults, when confronted with unhappy facts, they ignore the content and denounce the messenger as an agent of darkness.
– MrJM
Comment by @MisterJayEm Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:14 am
Wordslinger could not be that Brown guy…he does not make as many typos as Brown.
BTW all the decency C* needs to be laid alongside the fake movie plannin’ and the Rock Island absentee ballot fraud incident.
There are guys and gals sittin’ in 26th & California with more decency.
But they will be big biz for 217 area criminal defense laweyers
Comment by Annonin' Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:14 am
It seems that when you have nothing you can always attempt to divert the conversation, try to change the subject or find an acceptable scapegoat.
We have seen this before and it is getting old.
Comment by illini Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:15 am
Tweetwars are fun and all but could we get some info on the Sun-Times deal? Haven’t seen coverage on this site yet but I might have missed it. Thanks.
Comment by news Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:20 am
Any way to get an archived copy of the Rules as they were under the last Republican Speaker? Would be interesting to view the similarities.
Comment by Cheesy Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:21 am
Wordslinger demonstrates on a very regular basis that he has limited knowledge of people and process. Steve Brown knows people and process better than almost anyone. The only similarity between the tow is that they are both spend their days spouting Madigan talking points.
Comment by Poster Boy Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:21 am
Don’t they mean “Pate Philip’s rules” ?? /s
Comment by Smitty Irving Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:21 am
It’s well known around these parts that - Wordslinger - repeatedly goes after the Democratic lack of messaging and especially the HDems 1970s stylings that never keep up with Raunerism messaging.
- Wordslinger - is the gold standard here, calling out any and every one failing the state and the politics within the governing, be it for praise or criticism.
The IPI might use their own time better figuring out how to tamp down the rhetoric on their Facebook page instead of falsely and purposely “guessing” who - Wordslinger - is to push a narrative.
Comment by Oswego Willy Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:22 am
That was kind of pathetic of IPI to tweet something like like, compounded since it’s wrong. I assumed they thought more highly of themselves not to act like that, even if they were the only ones.
Comment by Ahoy! Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:22 am
It’s hard to be taken seriously as a “news” and “policy” organization if you tweet out garbage about random, unknown people on a blog.
Comment by Ducky LaMoore Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:23 am
“Wordslinger demonstrates on a very regular basis that he has limited knowledge of people and process”
And THAT, my friends, is how you make intelligent people disregard the remainder of a comment.
– MrJM
Comment by @MisterJayEm Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:27 am
===How petty, to go after a random comment. Isn’t there something better they can do?===
Short answer: No.
Comment by PublicServant Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:27 am
===Haven’t seen coverage on this site yet===
A couple of days ago.
Comment by Rich Miller Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:29 am
My takeaway is two.
Rich’s site is followed by those across the spectrum-no surprise.
Commenters on this site are also closely watched.
Those let freedom ring types sure get touchy easy.
Comment by efudd Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:29 am
= Any way to get an archived copy of the Rules as they were under the last Republican Speaker? Would be interesting to view the similarities. =
Yes, but not in electronic form, the ilga.gov website debuted with the 90th General Assembly. Speaker Lee Daniels’ House rules for the 89th General Assembly should be available in book form at the State Library.
Comment by cover Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:30 am
I think Word can defend himself. No worries there.
Back on the message though, steering away from all this messenger drama…
“change his House rules,” is a very obvious problem in the Illinois House. This is part of Drury’s appeal; he went against this undemocratic nonsense.
Anybody want to defend Madigan on his domination of the State via his House rules?
Comment by cdog Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:31 am
If Wordslinger is Steve Brown - then who is Lucky Pierre?
Comment by Name Withheld Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:31 am
IPI could tell wordslinger themselves, in the comment section here. Just avoid unnecessary exclamation points.
So IPI folks replaced Rauner’s advisers. Which children are running IPI now?
Comment by Robert the Bruce Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:33 am
“If Wordslinger is Steve Brown - then who is Lucky Pierre?”
A false-flag operation conducted by Steve Brown.
– MrJM
Comment by @MisterJayEm Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:34 am
Lucky Pierre is Steve Brown too. . . it’s his joke on the world.
Comment by Lt Guv Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:34 am
===via his House rules===
They’re mostly Lee Daniels’ rules. Doesn’t excuse them at all, but he adopted the rules of his GOP predecessor after he retook the House.
Comment by Rich Miller Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:35 am
Yes, an honor, but as with Cheney, don’t go huntin’ with IPI people.
Comment by Mongo Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:35 am
PB, I know enough about people and process that Rauner could have put a brick on the tax increase bill for 60 days and then spent his millions pounding GOP legislators to keep them in line before an override vote.
Instead, he asked them to stay in town to act on his veto immediately.
From your knowledge of people and process, what was his true objective then?
Comment by wordslinger Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:36 am
Word. Atta boy. Rarely do we agree, but concepts like IPI are what makes our two party system worthless
Comment by blue dog dem Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:37 am
All that money and all the 1% gets is some online snark? I’m starting to doubt rauners business expertise
Comment by Rogue Roni Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:37 am
Picturing Charleton Heston running out screaming “Wordslinger is Lucky Pierre!!!!!!!”
Comment by Name Withheld Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:39 am
c dog -
Funny, I don’t remember those criticizing Madigan’s rules criticizing Pate Philip, who created that version of the rules.
Comment by Smitty Irving Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:42 am
I was tired of Obama saying he inherited a mess 6 years in. You were elected because we believed your plan to fix the mess was better.
We elected Rauner because he sold his plan to fix it better than Quinn. I suspect had he disclosed part of his plan was to get Mike Madigan to not be Mike Madigan Quinn would still be Governor.
This is very important. The only relevant question for the current candidates is, “what is your plan to deal with Madigan.” work with him, around him, without him…maybe, but change him. Right next to my plan to get the Mississippi to flow South to North.
Comment by the Patriot Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:42 am
cover -
Wouldn’t Pate Philip’s 2000 rules be available online?
Comment by Smitty Irving Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:43 am
” Doesn’t excuse them at all, but he adopted the rules of his GOP predecessor”
What was that line from last week…? “Persuasion” or “intellectual persuasion,” is what Madigan practices to maintain complete control.
Regardless, it’s not right. Of course it’s among the many not right things on both sides, and has most likely been a root cause of great damage to Illinois over the decades.
GOP should keep banging that drum, day in/day out.
Comment by cdog Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:43 am
==Lucky Pierre is Steve Brown too…==
I am Spartacus!
https://youtu.be/u93bhAimFFU
Comment by Alternative Logic Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:44 am
I know this has been mentioned before, but IPI and the governor’s office it controls, continues to operate on the mistaken belief that if somehow Madigan was gone, they would easily get to 60-30 and pass all the legislation they want. As long as they stay in the dream world, they will fail.
Comment by G'Kar Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:45 am
For the feckless privileged intellectuals of IPI, the thought of actually being held accountable for real production is terrifying.
It’s so easy to criticize. Wordslinger put one right between the running lights; Hit their hidden fear of impotence. They don’t know how to do the doable because they don’t live in the real world. They live in their own fantasies.
Fire all state employees? Not the real world. Fantasy
A budget of all cuts? Not the real world. Fantasy
Unblemished record of decency and civility?
Not the real world. fantasy.
IPI you are about to get radical reality
You gonna learn the hard way about
Doing the doable
Comment by Promachus Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:50 am
Steve Brown isn’t half the writer Wordslinger is. If the House Democrats had someone with Word’s talent, they wouldn’t be getting so killed by Rauner in the messaging battle.
Comment by 47th Ward Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:53 am
Mr JM 11:35: Drop the mic and we can all go home. I almost did a spit take all over my laptop with that one.
Comment by Archiesmom Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:57 am
Ah, a new meme: Because…Wordslinger.
Comment by Streator Curmudgeon Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 11:58 am
“GOP should keep banging that drum, day in/day out.”
Maybe I missed it, but what GOP? The 10-16 that voted for the budget? Raunerite/IPI folks have taken away their drums. The things left for them to beat are their primary opponents.
Comment by My New Handle Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 12:00 pm
In the true spirit of original movie Spartacus all bloggers should change their handle for a day to wordslinger. IPI’s Twitter account(s) may short and begin to smoke. That would be fun…
Comment by Mouthy Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 12:02 pm
And congratulations, wordslinger. I’m wondering if we need to start thinking up a new award for those like you who get called out by IPI and the trolls they control. It’s an honor to be insightful enough to have it get under their thin skin.
Comment by Archiesmom Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 12:04 pm
Tweeting about random people seems to work well for Trump
Comment by The Way I See It Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 12:09 pm
For a group of people that loves to call others “Snowflakes,” they sure are sensitive.
Comment by WSJ Paywall Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 12:10 pm
You’ll notice Tillman didn’t make any claims about accuracy…
Comment by Soccermom Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 12:19 pm
Well at least the next time somebody in the governor’s office says they don’t read Capitol Fax we can call Kentucky wind on them.
Comment by Porgy Tirebiter Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 12:30 pm
—IPI’s Twitter account(s) may short and begin to smoke.
They are busy retweeting people who want to leave Illinois because they hate it so much. Raising the question of why does IPI stay then?
Comment by ArchPundit Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 12:31 pm
Actually I believe the rules originated with Pate in 2002 and Lee Daniels adopted them in the house in 2004.
Comment by Captain Ed Smith Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 12:32 pm
Actually, the rules started in 1983 under former Speaker George Ryan. Prior to that, especially in the House, things were more haphazard and messy. It wasn’t unusual for the DOT Appropriations bill to have more than 100 amendments filed, and each amendment was heard and voted on during Second Reading. Sometimes it took more than a day to move a single agency appropriation bill. While Speaker Ryan’s rules changes did tighten the grip of leadership over the legislative agenda, it also brought more order and structure to the House. As Senate President Pate Philip followed suit in the 1990s as did Speaker Daniels.
Speaker Madigan hasn’t made that many significant changes, but where there is a dramatic difference is that individual members really don’t know the Rules as well as they should. There are ways to use the Rules to one’s advantage, but one needs to really study and practice them.
Comment by Commonsense in Illinois Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 12:41 pm
The Governor’s record is now unblemished–it’s covered with makeup.
Comment by Keyrock Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 1:04 pm
- ArchPundit - Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 12:31 pm:
Raising the question of why does IPI stay then?
Because if they moved to Indiana they’d have to get real jobs. That pay less. Much less.
Comment by Dance Band on the Titanic Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 1:08 pm
This could do the trick
1. Transcript for 01/12/95
Terms found: rules (270) rule (50) ruling (1)
. . . House Resolution 44 is the new Rouse Rules. And J want to start out by saying that these Rules are new, they ! i are not an Amendment of past Rules, they are neW Rules. . 1 And because of that we consider . . .
Comment by annonin' Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 1:36 pm
ROTFLMAO
Tillman unblemished?
He makes the Elephant Man look like Melania Trump.
Comment by VanillaMan Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 1:39 pm
The IPI’s new motto- “We’re so this skinned even baby kisses leave a mark.”
Comment by JS Mill Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 1:47 pm
Common Sense in Illinois: Is that you Bill Black?
Comment by walker Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 1:54 pm
The only thing missing from that IPI tweet is #burn
Comment by Montrose Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 2:05 pm
Attacking commentators doesn’t change the fundamental problem that Rauner has. He has never proposed a real budget nor has he ever proposed any way to achieve his list of goals. Perhaps if Dunkin and Drury (I’m a former federal prosecutor) had voted to override Rauner’s first veto, Rauner would have realized that he needed to work in a bipartisan fashion since he lacks the votes to go at it alone. Certainly, being the minority party should be a clue that attacking the majority endlessly might not lead to success in government. Off to a great start; missing the flooding and attacking commentators on a blog. Inspiring.
Comment by Trapped in the 'burbs Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 2:56 pm
The two wrongs make a right justifications for Madigan’s rules are a glorious example of exactly why the Democrats massively failed when they had complete control for 12 years. The Democrats have become such a cult they won’t even hold their own leadership accountable.
Comment by Jeff Trigg Friday, Jul 14, 17 @ 3:19 pm