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Republican Gov. Rauner’s new re-election ad unusually features three neighboring state GOP governors bragging about their job climate over Illinois. Now, another Republican governor is on the way to Illinois to try to poach jobs — Florida Gov. Rick Scott.
Scott’s office announced Tuesday he will be leading an economic development mission to Chicago later this week “to share why businesses in Chicago should consider moving their operations to Florida.”
“While Gov. Rauner has tried to grow Illinois’ economy, Chicago leaders and state legislators have for years been passing shortsighted policies and overwhelming increases of taxes and fees,” Scott said in a statement. […]
Not mentioned in the new ad or in Scott’s statement is that several Republican lawmakers broke with Rauner to enact the budget and spending package over the Illinois governor’s veto — effectively ending an historic budget stalemate that nearly sent the state into junk status, hiked unpaid bills and tattered the social service safety net.
* Scott’s full statement…
Today, Governor Rick Scott announced he will be leading an economic development mission to Chicago this week to share why businesses in Chicago should consider moving their operations to Florida.
Governor Scott said, “Over the past seven years, we have cut taxes more than 75 times in Florida, saving our taxpayers more than $7 billion, and leading to the creation of more than 1.3 million private sector jobs. Florida’s success story is in stark contrast to the anti-business policies that have overburdened Chicago families and companies for far too long. That is why I will be leading an economic development mission to Chicago to meet with site selectors and job creators and encourage them to move to and invest in Florida.
“While Governor Rauner has tried to grow Illinois’ economy, Chicago leaders and state legislators have for years been passing shortsighted policies and overwhelming increases of taxes and fees. In fact, the average Chicago family today pays nearly $1,700 more in taxes and fees every year than they paid only seven years ago. While Florida has been able to pay down $7.6 billion in state debt and increase general revenues by more than 30 percent without raising taxes, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel and city leaders announced yet another proposed round of burdensome tax and fee increases just last week. This follows the state legislature passing an increase to the state income tax earlier this summer- overriding Governor Rauner’s veto and strict opposition to such a burdensome tax increase. The entire nation needs to follow Florida’s lead- but until then, we will keep calling on businesses to move to Florida.”
* Meanwhile, Bernie wrote about the governor’s new ad as well today…
Now that Illinois is in competition with many other states to land a second headquarters for Amazon, does it make sense for Rauner to let other governors talk down Illinois to its own voters and beyond? Just asking.
It does, said Justin Giorgio, a spokesman for the Rauner campaign.
“With entrenched Democrats like Mike Madigan at the helm, Governor Rauner has vowed to pull out all the stops to make change in Illinois,” Giorgio said. “That includes having three successful governors help make his point that Illinois has to change and we need to get rid of Mike Madigan in order to grow.”
*** UPDATE 1 *** DGA…
After bashing Illinois’ economy for three years as governor, Bruce Rauner launched his reelection campaign by teaming up with out-of-state governors to attack Illinois’ economy. Rauner’s new ad skirts over the fact he’s been governor since 2015 and deflects any responsibilities for his failures.
Just hours later, Florida Governor Rick Scott announced he would come to Chicago in an attempt to lure away jobs. Gov. Scott parroted Rauner’s campaign message and joined in bashing Illinois’ economy – all while calling on companies to set up shop in Florida. Scott praised Gov. Rauner, without mentioning his two-year budget crisis, and said states need to follow Florida’s lead “but until then, we will keep calling on businesses to move to Florida.” Scott wrote “That is why I will be leading an economic development mission to Chicago to meet with site selectors and job creators and encourage them to move to and invest in Florida.”
All of this begs the question – is Governor Rauner okay with this?
“Bruce Rauner’s campaign message is being used by out-of-state governors to steal Illinois jobs,” said DGA Illinois Communications Director Sam Salustro. “Rauner may think it’s a good reelection strategy to highlight the lack of job growth under his failed leadership, but now his rhetoric could hurt middle-class workers even more. Rauner needs to stop putting his reelection before the needs of Illinois families.”
*** UPDATE 2 *** Pritzker campaign…
Florida Governor Rick Scott is in Chicago today openly poaching Illinois companies and badmouthing the state. But where is Bruce Rauner? Sitting by idly and letting it happen on his watch.
The State Journal Register put it this way: “Now that Illinois is in competition with many other states to land a second headquarters for Amazon, does it make sense for Rauner to let other governors talk down Illinois to its own voters and beyond? Just asking.”
“Just a day after Bruce Rauner invited three neighboring governors to bash the state he’s supposed to lead on TV, Rauner is letting yet another Republican governor take a swing at Illinois,” said Pritzker campaign spokeswoman Jordan Abudayyeh. “This failed governor has given up on growing our economy and is doubling down on his mission to drive the state’s reputation into the ground.”
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Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 9:49 am
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So Gov. Rauner is grossly inept and weak and can’t get things done and Gov. Scott sees Rauner’s weaknesses and feels he can come here and poach Illinois companies knowing Bruce Rauner is so incompetent, Rauner can’t stop him.
Got it.
“Bruce Rauner fails” yet again.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 9:53 am
Already poached HQ of office max during Quinn’s term.
Most of the state retirees already retire there.
What’s left to gut of Illinois from Florida? Taxpayers pay pensions of the retirees, money flows through Florida.
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 9:54 am
Florida is a right to work state. Illinois has redlined itself from major employers looking to move here. That’s not a political statement. It’s simply the facts.
Comment by Downstate Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 9:59 am
It boggles my mind that Rauner points to other Republican Governors trying to poach IL jobs on his watch as a reason to re-elect him.
Comment by Arsenal Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 9:59 am
=What’s left to gut of Illinois from Florida? =
Yes, there is literally nothing left in Illinois. I have to drive clear to West Virginia for a gallon of milk! /s
Get over yourself. And get a name.
=It’s simply the facts.=
Alternative facts.
Comment by JS Mill Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:00 am
Methinks, Governor Scott should worry about disaster relief, the influx of Puerto Rican/Americans and gerrymandering.
Comment by Honeybadger Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:02 am
There’s no question Illinois needs change. When is Governor Rauner going to realize, however, that the majority of voters in the State are not interested in the type of change he is selling? Four more years of what we’ve experienced? Don’t think so.
Comment by GA Watcher Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:02 am
“That includes having three successful governors help make his point that Illinois has to change and we need to get rid of Mike Madigan in order to grow.”
Yep, that’s going to play well with Bezos’s decision. Rauner obviously isn’t interested in the Amazon deal unless it only benefits his re-election campaign directly. He just launched a torpedo to all Illinois submissions to Amazon’s HQ2 competition.
Comment by Anon221 Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:02 am
So nice to see fellow GOP Governors canabalizing Rauner. With friends like that….
Comment by Honeybadger Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:03 am
===Already poached HQ of office max during Quinn’s term.===
I think that was more about an internal corporate battle after a big merger. But, yeah, Florida won it.
Comment by Rich Miller Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:03 am
Republican Governors come to Illinois to poach and that’s a positive for Rauner? We should send this feckless motorcycle cosplayer back to Springfield?
Why would anyone do that?
Comment by illini97 Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:04 am
==Most of the state retirees already retire there==
Retirees are free to roam wherever they please. If they chose Florida, they’re just choosing a state like Illinois that doesn’t tax retirement income.
Comment by City Zen Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:04 am
For a second I wad angry, but he’s the Governor of Florida and it’s his job to bring jobs to his state.
Serious question, does Rauner ever take trips to bring jobs to Illinois from other states? Seems like he’s the only Governor who’s happy when his state does worse so he has more fodder for his campaign ads.
Comment by Epic Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:04 am
==That’s not a political statement.==
Just political spin.
IL is not, and never has been a RTWFL state, and yet, somehow, major employers have set up shop here.
Comment by Arsenal Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:04 am
OK I get that he loves to trash Illinois, but IMO it really crosses a line when he (a) invites other governors to trash Illinois and (b) pays money to put them on TV doing that. You are the Governor of Illinois. The monomaniacal behavior is unbecoming, offensive and damaging.
Comment by S. Grobnik Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:04 am
Better hurricanes than Madigan! What a pitch.
Comment by Last Bull Moose Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:06 am
Here’s the fallacy of this approach.
If you’re Amazon, who would you trust more in making a deal: Bruce Rauner or Mike Madigan?
If you’re having trouble answering, Google HB40 and GOP reaction
Comment by Michelle Flaherty Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:10 am
Bruce Rauner, Scott Walker and Donald Trump are the team to beat. It is clear that in order to bring in right to work, charter schools, and lower minimum wages we have to defeat the guy who is blocking the right wing…..Mike Madigan!
Comment by BissKennedy Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:10 am
===…does Rauner ever take trips to bring jobs to Illinois from other states.===
According to Bruce Rauner himself, dozenS, multiple dozen, have told him (Rauner) in his travels that they want to come up Illinois, “but… Illinois”
“Worst bidness climate. Worst work rules. Worst debt. Career politicians” - Fake Bruce Rauner… “Maybe”
I do find it so very comical that these governors are so “free” to do “all” they do and Rauner who, arguably is constitutionally, holds one of the strongest Executive offices in America is so terrible unable to get those multiple dozens here to Illinois.
Rauner is currently the governor.
Other governors are literally calling Rauner inept to one legislative chamber.
That’s just about as pathetic and weak a governor can be, Illinois notwithstanding.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:10 am
Well there goes the circus.
Comment by JohnDeereMade Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:11 am
Hopefully JB will fix all of this.
Comment by JohnDeereMade Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:12 am
Rauner and his right to work Governor friends are hard at work trying to convince the public that lower wages, charter schools, and less environment protection will make Ilinois great again. Interesting to see the attack Mike Madigan for standing in their way.
Comment by Right Wing Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:20 am
I seem to recall our Governor saying not long into his term that he knew of hundreds ( or was it thousands ) of companies that wanted to move to if only we would enact term limits.
After all job creators love term limits,
Are there term limits in any of those states that are trying to lure our employers?
Comment by illini Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:22 am
So let’s break this down. Other governors are happy with “Madigan’s Illinois”, then why are they appearing in an ad meant to elect Bruce “anti-Madigan” Rauner to eliminate the current “terrible employment situation? If things really were going great for those states why are they trying to rock the boat? Ideology? Is it because there has been a systematic brain drain of every B1G school’s graduates to Chicago, and maybe if we were a little bit more like them, their kids would stay home?
States will always try to poach other state’s businesses.
Right to work won’t draw professional employers, because professional staff unionization rates are incredibly low.
The Employers that do look at RTWFL, are manufactures. Manufacturing will never employ the numbers it did in the 80s, its not coming back, and we cant force it. And, if it is going to cost us 7 billion for a few thousand low paying, non-union jobs, the employers can shove it. We can employ our own folks for less.
This is ideology, not business.
Comment by CHC>PNW>CHC Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:23 am
Wisconsin, Indiana, Missouri and Florida are all much more Federally dependent than Illinois.
Illinois sends money to Washington D.C. and Wisconsin, Indiana, Missouri and Florida receives it from Washington D.C..
This huge inequity places Illinois on an unlevel playing field when the other states can provide more incentives and a lower local tax base to attract or retain businesses than a more self-dependent Illinois can be.
Now if Illinois could get a big Federal check every time a storm blows through here, things would be a little different.
Comment by Chicago 20 Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:26 am
Scott and Rauner are kindred spirits. They both profited in the private sector on Medicare/Medicaid grifts and have demonstrated indifference to the safety of nursing home residents under their care.
Rauner has contributed money to some of these GOP governors directly. Now they’re helping him with his rollout, quid pro quo.
Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:27 am
“IL is not, and never has been a RTW state, and yet, somehow, major employers have set up shop here.”
Times change. We didn’t have TIFs, enterprise zones or other enticements to lure companies in, either. But we had to change to remain competitive.
Comment by Downstate Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:29 am
==we have cut taxes more than 75 times in Florida==
And it shows in your schools, social services, and environmental protection.
Comment by Jocko Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:29 am
=== …if Illinois could get a big Federal check every time a storm blows through here… ===
Katrina McQueary, is that you?
Yeah, “a storm”… Ok…
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:30 am
- Downstate -
It’s a 60-30 thing.
Can’t see 60-30 for Right to Work in Illinois.
Wisconsin, Indiana, for example, had GOP led legislatures.
Illinois has not.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:32 am
==Illinois sends money to Washington D.C. and Wisconsin, Indiana, Missouri and Florida receives it from Washington D.C..==
Last I checked, the states are still united.
These inequities exist at every level of government. Towns in Illinois that send the most money to Springfield tend to get the least back.
Comment by City Zen Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:36 am
==Times change. We didn’t have TIFs, enterprise zones or other enticements to lure companies in, either. But we had to change to remain competitive.==
Are these working? I thought you just said companies won’t locate here due to unions. Now we are competitive, with unions, as long as companies don’t have to pay their property tax bill?
Pick a lane.
Comment by illini97 Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:36 am
Florida’s median household income is ranked 38th. Illinois is ranked 18th. Florida has a very high uninsured rate, for health insurance. Massachusetts has almost everyone covered. No way should we head in Florida’s direction and do race to the bottom. No way should we let the richest, most privileged people extort us for jobs. Business reforms, yes, but RtW, no way.
Rauner’s absolutely responsible for the status quo. He is one-third if our government. He made us far worse of a deadbeat state and hurt our business climate by not agreeing to full budgets and negotiating in bad faith.
Illinois Democrats need to pound on this daily, in an organized way and not just through DGA, outside groups and gubernatorial candidates. Don’t let Rauner deflect out of his huge role in our current woes. At the center of our current woes is Rauner’s main quest to bust unions. This is the most important thing, as Rauner himself said.
Comment by Grandson of Man Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:39 am
Sounds like the guy who said he was going to rip the guts out of neighboring states is getting field dressed himself.
Comment by Huh? Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:40 am
==Times change. We didn’t have TIFs, enterprise zones or other enticements to lure companies in, either. But we had to change to remain competitive.==
And, as such, we have other tools to lure businesses besides putting our boot on the neck of the working man.
Comment by Arsenal Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:43 am
“… vowed to pull out all the stops to make change …”
Too bad 1.4% can’t figure out how to turn on the pipe organ.
Comment by Huh? Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:47 am
“Are these working? I thought you just said companies won’t locate here due to unions.”
Nice try. The original poster suggested that we’ve never been RTW, and companies still located here. I was pointing out that we have to be aware of our competitors AND we can’t hang our hat on the fact that we’ve never had RTW as being a reason to never consider it. (At one time we didn’t have paved roads, either.) Companies have lots of reasons why they locate or don’t locate in a state or region. We just have to be mindful of what is hurting Illinois’ recruitment effort. Enterprise zones and TIF help, but just like paved road, won’t be the only tool that lures a company to Illinois.
Comment by Downstate Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:52 am
==Florida’s median household income is ranked 38th. Illinois is ranked 18th.==
But no state income tax and an effective property tax rate that is half what we pay. At the end of the tax day. we’re not that far off.
Comment by City Zen Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:52 am
“That includes having three successful governors help make his point…”
I bet one key element to their successes is…signing budgets.
Comment by Nick Name Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:53 am
This shows Rauners impotence.
“The strong will do as they will,
And the weak
Will suffer what they must”
But worse
It shows his sociopathik nature
He would rather invite a competitor in
To poach and move companies
Which would economically destroy lives
Again facilitating destruction
Destroying lives
Than
Help and defend our companies.
And work to promote
And stabilize the state
He wants and works for
Job loss
He wants and works for
Debt
He wants and works for
Government dysfunction
All the while claiming the opposite
This is a gross gross gross
Display of malice to his own state
Bruce Vincent Rauner
The Lord of Perfidy
Hurting the innocent
Is Malum in se
Evil itself
Comment by Honeybear Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:54 am
Let’s not forget in Indiana Worker’s Comp is only 500 weeks max. After that you apply to a “Second Injury Fund” that is only for 150 weeks (and is not guaranteed), at which time you can re-apply (again, no guarantee). Hence Speaker Madigan’s statements (paraphrasing) the Turnaround Agenda will put permanently crippled workers on welfare and in ERs.
Comment by Smitty Irving Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:54 am
Is he going to sing any Midnight Oil covers? Cause that would be cool.
Comment by Tec. Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:55 am
Business reforms? When will Madigan Democrats ever allow that?
Trial lawyers and public sector unions have veto power over any business reforms in Illinois and the results speak for themselves.
Illinois ain’t ready for reform. Everything works just fine here for the crony politicians.
Cue, 8 paragraphs cut and pasted that Rauner fails by OW who defends the trial lawyers and unions daily even though their policies hurt middle class private sector workers.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:57 am
==we can’t hang our hat on the fact that we’ve never had RTW as being a reason to never consider it==
That’s quite shift from your initial position that the lack of Right To Freeload effectively “Redlines” Illinois from any major employers moving here.
But then again, the fact that we have attracted major employers even without Right to Mooch pretty completely rebuts that point. “innovation” or whatever, sure, but Taft-Hartley passed in 1947. It’s not like Right to Work For Less is a new phenomenon. The bosses cheating the workers is as old as time.
Comment by Arsenal Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 10:59 am
Mr. Pierre that isn’t very nice for Mr. Willy especially when he sends lots of love on every post.
Comment by JohnDeereMade Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:00 am
Illinois sends money to Washington D.C. and Wisconsin, Indiana, Missouri and Florida receives it from Washington D.C..
This huge inequity places Illinois on an unlevel playing field when the other states can provide more incentives and a lower local tax base to attract or retain businesses than a more self-dependent Illinois can be.
Now if Illinois could get a big Federal check every time a storm blows through here, things would be a little different.
Wow if we could only get a President and Senate leader from Illinois to bring back the bacon.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:00 am
Politico pointed out that Rauner also gave six figure checks to most of the other governors that appear in his ad.
It is very strange that he’s spending campaign funds to tout poaching efforts in his own state.
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:02 am
===Cue, 8 paragraphs cut and pasted that Rauner fails by OW who defends the trial lawyers and unions daily even though their policies hurt middle class private sector workers.===
“Because… Oswego Willy”
Always the victim, - Lucky Pierre -
You keep elevating me. Why? It makes no sense.
Like it makes no sense that now 4 governors, 4 Republican governors say, “Bruce Rauner fails”
Three thank Mike Madigan for showing how grossly inept Bruce Rauner is, and Rauner paid for an ad, as an incumbent, to say he (Rauner) can’t get anything done.
Now Gov. Scott sees how so weak and incompetent Bruce Rauner is, Scott enjoys pointing out failure after failure of Bruce Rauner.
Bruce Rauner fails.
Four governors tell me so… and counting? LOL
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:03 am
==Business reforms? When will Madigan Democrats ever allow that?==
Maybe about the same time that Rauner Republicans stop *bragging* that other states are stealing our jobs?
Because, LP, I get why you don’t want to grapple with this, but other Republican Governors are stealing IL jobs, and Bruce Rauner isn’t just failing to stop them- but he *is* failing to stop them- he’s paying for commercials to let them *brag* about it.
Bruce Rauner is cheering on other states stealing our jobs, and you’re still obsessed with Madigan.
Typical.
Comment by Arsenal Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:05 am
“Manufacturing will never employ the numbers it did in the 80s, its not coming back, and we cant force it.”
Absolutely wrong. Deloitte’s study “The Skills Gap in Advanced Manufacturing” shows that there will be 2 million new workers needed for the advanced manufacturing industry by 2025.
Manufacturing jobs have been steadily increasing in the US since the end of the recession. They’re just increasing in states that aren’t named “Illinois”. I wonder why that is?
Comment by sulla Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:05 am
Arsenal,
Right to work IS redlining Illinois, so say the multi-state industrial developers that I speak with. Work comp doesn’t help either.
Having been a union member, and now employing people in multiple states, I’ve got some perspective on what attracts employers to Illinois.
Having TIF’s and enterprise zones are important tools. But those alone will not attract employers. RTW (when every state around us allows for it) is a glaring reminder of the competitive field we face in trying to attract AND retain new jobs in Illinois.
Do you think Illinois is doing an adequate job in landing new employers? If so, then you are satisfied with the number of jobs in Illinois going down.
If you don’t think Illinois is doing an adequate job, then what do you think we aren’t doing correctly?
Comment by Downstate Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:09 am
===…defends the trial lawyers and unions daily…===
… and yet, continually, I think workers’ compensation could and should be revisited…
I do think for the trades that have a strong GOP (not Raunerite) history that ending prevailing wage and collective bargaining isn’t going to get anything but 1.4% or $500+ million so going after Labor is a Rauberism want, not a building bloc for actual Republicans, but you keep trying to make it about me.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:12 am
==Right to work IS redlining Illinois==
OK, but last time you made that claim you backed off of it with the slightest of pushback, so.
==Work comp doesn’t help either.==
Oh, so it’s not a one-factor test. Maybe you should wrap up this argument with yourself first?
==If you don’t think Illinois is doing an adequate job, then what do you think we aren’t doing correctly?==
Update our infrastructure, improve secondary and higher ed, avoid 700-day budget crises, stop poor-mouthing the state to score points in some silly under-the-dome turf war.
As part of that package, I’d happily consider a proportional fault system for WC.
Comment by Arsenal Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:18 am
Weakest Governor ever.
He’s literally encouraging others to trash the State he “loves”, his house. He’s offering up his State/house for another man to come in and just take what he wants.
Does he have no pride? Is he really this spineless? Stand up, protect your family, your home.
Failed Governor
Comment by DuPage Bard Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:20 am
Governor Rauner had over 50 proposals in the Turnaround agenda that were all rejected by the Speaker who is not ready for reform.
Stop with the nonsense that all his only concerns were collective bargaining and prevailing wage.
Rauner is paying for commercials to get the word out that our business and political environment needs dramatic change and he is putting the heat on the Speaker and Democrats running for office.
There is a wave of anger at the higher income, property and sales taxes needed to fund our inefficient government.
Democrats are not listening and will have to defend the indefensible with a likely candidate for Governor who is a billionaire tax avoider with questionable ties to a disgraced Governor currently in prison.
You seem to think the Rauner should act like a potted plant and just accept these failed democratic policies, that will only get worse if JB wins.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:28 am
Sulla, you’re either struggling with elementary school level math or just talking out your tukkus. From BLS:
The high-water mark for U.S. manufacturing jobs in the 1980s was 19.3M in Jan. 1980.
Today, U.S. manufacturing jobs are at 12.4M, 6.9M fewer than Jan. 1980. Another 2M by 2025 doesn’t bring you close to 1980s levels.
The low point of manufacturing jobs during the Great
Recession was 11.5M in April 2010. In the 7.5 years since, U.S. manufacturing jobs have grown by 900,000, about 12,500 a year.
Sorry I can’t cut and paste with this gadget, but the data is quickly and easily retrieved at bls.gov.
Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:33 am
==Governor Rauner had over 50 proposals in the Turnaround agenda that were all rejected by the Speaker who is not ready for reform.==
But he only identified a dozen as ones that, if opposed, would create a “REDACTED problem”.
Then he cut that list down to 8. Then six. Then, eventually, it only became about property tax relief, but every property tax freeze bill advanced in the GA was criticized because it didn’t touch prevailing wage.
So, you want people to stop talking about how Rauner’s obsessed with union issues? OK, Rauner’s gonna have to be first, then.
==You seem to think the Rauner should act like a potted plant==
That would be preferable to *cheering on* other Governors as they poach IL jobs, yes. Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing.
Comment by Arsenal Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:35 am
Did we elect Bobby Newport to be Governor of Illinois?
I am just beyond flabbergasted that we have a Governor who not only enjoys consistently trashing our state, but pays for ads to have other Governors also trash our state. And I don’t know how easy it is to claim that Holcomb or Greitens are so successful, since they haven’t been in office for a year.
And given the timing of the ad and Rick Scott’s announcement, I find it hard to believe that wasn’t coordinated with Rauner. I realize this isn’t likely to happen, but wouldn’t it be quite the coincidence if Citadel and uline were the two companies to announce a move.
Comment by Juice Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:36 am
llinois has 146,000 fewer jobs than before the Great Recession while bordering states all have seen net gains in total jobs. Business leaders have blamed high taxes and the state’s regulatory burdens for stagnant job growth.
Baise was joined by Rob Karr, president and CEO of the Illinois Retail Merchants Association; Todd Maisch, president and CEO of the Illinois Chamber of Commerce; and Michael Reever, vice president of government affairs for the Chicagoland Chamber of Commerce.
Baise and the others decried the message being sent by the legislature to job creators both in Illinois and outside of it because of the lack of reforms and legislation that seeks to raise both taxes and the state’s minimum wage and place even more regulations on businesses.
“Today ends what I think to be one of the most unfriendly [sessions] to business from an Illinois General Assembly that I have seen in all the years I’ve been here,” said Greg Baise, president and CEO of the Illinois Manufacturers Association, said at a Wednesday news conference. “My Democrat friends like to say that we are in a race to the bottom. Unfortunately, I am here to tell you that we are winning that race. And that means Illinois business and Illinois families are losing.”
Nice false narrative that Governor Rauner is failing Illinois business community when they are clearly placing blame on the Democrats and Speaker Madigan.
https://www.ilnews.org/news/state_politics/business-groups-slam-lawmakers-for-litany-of-anti-employer-job/article_715a1b66-4615-11e7-a39c-6b8b591e1f80.html
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:38 am
- Lucky Pierre - responds with 6 paragraphs, LOL…
===Governor Rauner had over 50 proposals in the Turnaround agenda that were all rejected by the Speaker who is not ready for reform===
Over 50? Link to “Over 50″
Plus, isn’t Education Reform something? You always forget that.
===Stop with the nonsense that all his only concerns were collective bargaining and prevailing wage==
I would, but I could drag out all the “sham” responses when one or both prevailing wage and collective bargaining were dropped on bills and Rauner didn’t support property tax relief, but you already know that…
===Rauner is paying for commercials to get the word out that our business and political environment needs dramatic change and he is putting the heat on the Speaker and Democrats running for office===
… Because Bruce Rauner failed. Rauner is weak and inept that one leader of one chamber is so strong and a governor is so weak. For your sentence there to even work, you have to say Bruce Rauner failed. Otherwise it’s even more ignorant to have 3 governors thank Mike Madigan. Rauner is weak and inept, otherwise no need for those ads.
===There is a wave of anger at the higher income, property and sales taxes needed to fund our inefficient government.===
Pat Quinn failed, Bruce Rauner failed.
Tough to be an incumbent with all that failure you point out with Rauner as governor, LOL
===Democrats are not listening and will have to defend the indefensible with a likely candidate for Governor who is a billionaire tax avoider with questionable ties to a disgraced Governor currently in prison===
Rauner will have to defend a record, as an incumbent record, with no signed budgets, crippling higher education, starving social services, signing taxpayer funded abortions, making Illinois a sanctuary state… being an incumbent is tough.
===You seem to think the Rauner should act like a potted plant===
No, that’s what 3 governors are already saying. Rauner is a potted plant, so inept, Rauner can’t get anything done, and their states are thriving because Rauner is weak.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:39 am
I can see why Rauner would want to hang with Greitens.
Rauner is in free fall having walked himself off a steep credibility cliff.
Greitens could teach him how to rappel.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article172658676.html
Comment by Michelle Flaherty Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:39 am
“Right to work IS redlining Illinois, so say the multi-state industrial developers that I speak with.”
There’s no need whatsoever for RtW. America has been a powerful economic country with much-higher union participation rates and less RtW. Most states with higher median incomes are full union. Those states are by and large doing as well or better than RtW states. They don’t need RtW, and neither do we.
If these businesses don’t want to open in Illinois because we ensure union rights and the protections they afford to so many, I kindly and gently recommend that they do what the old song says: Take those jobs and shove them.
Comment by Grandson of Man Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:41 am
Arsenal,
Thanks for your ideas on improving our competitive standing.
Let me be clear, RTW IS REDLINING ILLINOIS. These aren’t my political ideas. This is what is being discussed at industrial developer conferences around that nation.
Other factors are also hindering our efforts. RTW will likely go away as an issue once the USSC decision is handed down. But we still face dramatic issues with work comp, our HUGE pension deficits and other factors.
I never backed off my claim on RTW. You pointed out that we’ve always had RTW and still landed companies. I pointed out that times change, and that we had to add additional incentives to lure companies in.
Candidly, I feel you tried to twist my words.
Comment by Downstate Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:42 am
pardon, I made one elementary school level arithmetic mistake in my previous post.
Since the depth of the Great Recession, U.S. manufacturing jobs have grown by 900,000, about 120,000 a year, not 12,500.
Mea culpa, for ciphering in my noggin rather than using a calculator. My apologies.
Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:44 am
Word- don’t challenge Sulla. He’s an economic development professional. He’s got a study from Deloitte. You need to understand how wrong BLS is and how all those studies about automation and robotics are total bullcrap. Deloitte is who we should trust. And the voice of our economic development professionals. They know best. S/
Comment by Honeybear Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:45 am
==Let me be clear, RTW IS REDLINING ILLINOIS.==
Oh, man, if it’s in caps, it must be true!
==These aren’t my political ideas. This is what is being discussed at industrial developer conferences around that nation.==
Oh, so it’s *their* political ideas. Still not a fact.
But maybe if you capitalize it and underline it?
==Candidly, I feel you tried to twist my words.==
I’m glad you feel safe enough with me to express your feelings.
Comment by Arsenal Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:50 am
We went from “it’s just a fact that IL redlines itself from major employers by not adopting Right To Work For Less” to “it’s the opinion of unnamed industrial developers I’ve talked to that the lack of Right To Mooch is one factor hindering our efforts”. I didn’t twist your words, you twisted yourself into knots on this one.
Comment by Arsenal Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:53 am
- - “Rauner is paying for commercials to get the word out that j business and political environment needs dramatic change”.
That dramatic change was tried and failed miserably already in New Jersey, Louisiana, Wisconsin, Michigan and Kansas.
Supply side economics failed. Tax cuts failed. Rauner failed.
To support the re-election of Rauner and expect a different result is the definition of insanity.
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:55 am
- Lucky Pierre -
You get that into a :30 or :60 second ad, that is “simple”… not paragraph after paragraph, just so many words, LOL
Three governors say Bruce Rauner is grossly inept and Illinois is paying a price because Bruce Rauner can’t get the job “done” against Mike Madigan.
It’s more pathetic the more I think about it…
A sitting Illinois governor is admitting total failure… and other governors are flat-out mocking Bruce Rauner by thanking Speaker Madigan…. and it’s an Ad paid for by Bruce Rauner.
I hope they run that ad for weeks.
“Why can’t Rauner stop all this? I thought Rauner was suppose to stop Madigan. Boy is Rauner a failure”
LOL
Keep running it. Admitting Rauner is a failure is easier than your last 5+ paragraph “retort”
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:55 am
Absolutely the amount states get back from what their taxpayers send to the federal government has an impact. We are not talking about loose change here. Some states pay five fold what other states pay. Why the discepancy? One of the reasons is states with low workman’s comp benefits push their costs onto the federal government. They have more injured workers forced into poverty and on disability and welfare.
Comment by Da Big Bad Wolf Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 12:01 pm
I am more interested in JB’s ads.
His solution to the lack of trust Illinois residents have in our state government and business environment is to double down on Mike Madigan’s failed policies of the past 30 years.
You can’t blame the Governor’s economic polices for Illinois problems in government or business environment, not a single one was implemented because the Speaker objected.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 12:06 pm
===You can’t blame the Governor’s economic polices for Illinois problems in government or business environment, not a single one was implemented because the Speaker objected.===
LOL
“Because … Rauner is ineffective”
That’s what three governors are saying. Rauner just can’t be effective. Thanks Mike Madigan
Please, keep running the ad.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 12:09 pm
I agree it is an effective ad OW. We finally agree on something.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 12:10 pm
===I agree it is an effective ad… We finally agree on something===
Rauner is as grossly inept as 3 governors say.
Perfect.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 12:11 pm
Florida utilities have received billions in Federal subsidies.
http://ieefa.org/report-federal-subsidies-for-energy-companies/
Comment by Chicago 20 Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 12:13 pm
Anonymous - Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:55 am:
That dramatic change was tried and failed miserably already in New Jersey, Louisiana, Wisconsin, Michigan and Kansas.
Supply side economics failed. Tax cuts failed. Rauner failed.
To support the re-election of Rauner and expect a different result is the definition of insanity
So how would you characterize Illinois policies since the Great Recession? A resounding success? Dd the failure of Illinois begin with Rauner’s inauguration?
llinois has 146,000 fewer jobs than before the Great Recession while bordering states all have seen net gains in total jobs. Business leaders have blamed high taxes and the state’s regulatory burdens for stagnant job growth.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 12:16 pm
- Lucky Pierre -
Candidate Rauner said Pat Quinn failed. Same circumstances, same issues you want to blame in the past… and yet… Pat Quinn failed…
… so, following Candidate Rauner’s thinking, Governor Rauner failed… “Simple”
lol
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 12:18 pm
Pat Quinn failed because he, like JB agreed with the Speaker’s policies.
Can you explain how JB will succeed by not moving one inch from the Speaker, whose policies are still in effect and have failed Illinois?
I don’t see the humor in Illinois failure.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 12:27 pm
===Pat Quinn failed because he… agreed with the Speaker’s… ===
Quinn, Rauner… same results.
The only way it works with these results is Rauner is a failure that can’t get anything done, so grossly inept, four governors mock Bruce Rauner.
===I don’t see the humor in Illinois failure===
Your willful ignorance is the comedy. It’s hilarious. You are blind to the fact Rauner is a failed incumbent other governors mock in an ad… Rauner paid for.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 12:33 pm
Didn’t Florida already poach the winter HQ of Oberweis Dairy? Isn’t stealing JimmyJohn’s enough?
Comment by 47th Ward Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 12:37 pm
When Quinn was in office the State had more money coming in then it spent. It used the excess money to pay down a bill backlog created by investment bankers crashing the world economy. Madigan did not create a world wide economic crash, the ultra greed of investors like Rauner and Griffith did.
Rauner came in and refused to keep the income tax rate that was paying a revenue surplus annaualy. The failed policy was Rauner. Rauner also had a policy of spending money he didn’t have. Madigan asked Rauner for program cuts and rauners people refused to give any.
Rauner took the surplus running Madigan/Quinn govt to a massive deficit.
Comment by Ghost Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 12:37 pm
Rauner created a world wide economic crash and Mike Madigan had nothing to do with Illinois decline over the past 30 years?
These ads are going to be fantastic!
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 12:40 pm
==You can’t blame the Governor’s economic polices for Illinois problems in government or business environment, not a single one was implemented==
He’s had three years. If he couldn’t get anyone to at least give even one of his ideas a chance, that’s on him.
Comment by Arsenal Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 1:06 pm
47, Florida got JJ, not JJ corporate. That’s still in
Champaign.
So, we got that going for us.
Oberweis Dairy hq is still in Aurora. Chopper Jim has a winter home down in Bonita, I think. That whole stretch of the Gulf Coast from Ft. Meyers to Marcos is crawling with Illinois snowbirds.
My brothers go down there most winters after
Christmas to do carpentry/decorating work for Illinois old timers. The population is disproporionately retirees so it can be difficult to get anyone local to even show up to work on houses/condos.
Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 1:21 pm
Did they even get Liataud? I wasn’t sure he followed through on his promise to move. Oh well, somehow we’ll manage to muddle along without him.
Comment by 47th Ward Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 1:35 pm
- Dd the failure of Illinois begin with Rauner’s inauguration?
Rauner has only made everything worse.
Stop the rhetoric, I’m not buying the snake oil elixir you’re selling.
Only one thing will fix Illinois problem, more revenue.
Until then you can point your finger and try to cheat whoever is owed but the one true fact remains, revenue is the cure.
It’s not a secret, everyone knows it, but few have the fortitude to get it done.
We need a progressive income tax and we need corporations to pay their fair share.
Comment by Chicago 20 Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 2:01 pm
Dear DGA,
Learn better “shorthand” referencing.
By the time I got to a statement that was targeted, you walked it around the barn, sounding like you, yourselves, are writing this from a place far from Illinois, which you are.
B-/C+, when the starting grade for the exercise is a “Middle C”
Rauner has unique and special issues and is using an unorthodox way to try to get around his problems. Cut to the chase a bit better.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 2:09 pm
– Did the failure of Illinois begin with Rauner’s inauguration–
Rauner’s had a rough go of it since his summer amour fou with IPI/BTIA(TM) ended so badly.
Lot of old GOP “friends”/enablers/payrollers/grifters have been beating him like a rented mule.
The goveernor must take comfort that a remnant of a cult of personality remains that absolves him of all responsibility and accountability for his actions in office.
So he has that going for him. Which is nice.
Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 2:17 pm
==Only one thing will fix Illinois problem, more revenue.==
Exactly. Retirees are on stand-by…
Comment by City Zen Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 2:44 pm
You can’t just move a business. Your business consists of your people, your physical plant, and your customers. None of which can move easily. You can re-deploy your financial capital elsewhere, but then you’re basically starting a new business.
Comment by Purple Bear Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 2:44 pm
Are there any intelligent studies of RTW. I don’t see Amazon’s workforce as typically unionized. Most manufacturing unions are weak. Unless you are a foreign car maker I am not sure it would have any effect? I guess you must be talking about it as a tool to lower the wages of trade unions? Who is going to buy stuff as you lower wages?
Comment by Confused Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 2:59 pm
If the 25 or so people who echo chamber the heck out of these comments would get off the keyboard and talk to people who aren’t self selecting into this group, I think they might be shocked at the political and socio-political realities of this State.
Comment by EveryoneElse Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 3:00 pm
===I think they might be shocked at the political and socio-political realities of this State===
Really? Do tell.
Keep in mind Rauner polls at 63% disapproval, but what are we missing.
Share.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 3:02 pm
=== I don’t see Amazon’s workforce as typically unionized.===
Aren’t those delivery guys in the brown trucks unionized?
Comment by 47th Ward Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 3:09 pm
To this…
===“Just a day after Bruce Rauner invited three neighboring governors to bash the state he’s supposed to lead on TV, Rauner is letting yet another Republican governor take a swing at Illinois,” said Pritzker campaign spokeswoman Jordan Abudayyeh. “This failed governor has given up on growing our economy and is doubling down on his mission to drive the state’s reputation into the ground.”===
I like the angle, and using one paragraph with the SJ-R cite.
It’s timely and newsworthy and counter to what Rauner should want with Amazon watching, and that hypocrisy.
It’s good. It works.
The difference I see is going after Rauner competency and the lacking in governing. Going after the hypocrisy of the Amazon bid then these two moves including 4 GOP governors also has a failed Rauner, and the calling out the failing thru hypocrisy, resulting in the continued talking down of the state Rauner is still the sitting governor of today.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 3:10 pm
Amazon frequently uses its own white trucks,driven by non-unionized drivers to deliver their products. They are not nearly as good avoidly blocking traffic as big brown and Fed Ex.
Jeff Bezos is a huge liberal supposedly,, even buying the Washington Post to insulate himself from the kind of criticism Wal Mart gets.
We know for a fact he doesn’t like unions. We also know he has structured his company so it produces almost no taxable profits so it pays a fraction of what Wal Mart does .We will see if he sets up HQ 2 in a red state or a true blue one that gives him the most incentives. He doesn’t exactly practice what he preaches.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 7:44 pm
Agree or disagree with Rauner, the basic truth is he has not moved the ball an inch during nearly four years in office. Regardless of whether the alternative is a Dem or Republican, Illinois needs a governor who understands politics is the art of the possible and does not let some ideological Nirvana get in the way of the good.
Comment by Midwestern Independent Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 8:10 pm
Causation standards. Causation standards. Causation standards. Ya’ll wanna do something to help this state out, revisit. This issue.
Comment by Blue dog dem Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 8:43 pm
It doesn’t matter what the few bleating self congratulating people on this blog say. I give them full marks for the quantity of time they are willing to spend saying the same thing over and over. Have they changed anyone’s mind. Possibly, but doubtful it is enough to make a real difference. But post away they do. I salute you.
Will any people be influenced by governors from several states poaching jobs and blaming Madigan. Certainly possible. We’ll have to wait and see.
Comment by Linguini Lou Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 11:01 pm
illinois is worth fighting for
Comment by Rabid Thursday, Oct 26, 17 @ 7:36 am