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* Some people will believe anything, particularly on Facebook. From November 13th…

This was written by Carl Segvich, committeeman in Cook County. He friended me awhile back so I accepted. He is a…

Posted by Scott Finch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018

It got quite a bit of play on Facebook. I don’t spend much time on that site (partly because of silly stuff like the above post), but I did receive an e-mail the other day asking me if the Pritzker “proposal” was real.

* St. Louis TV station KSDK reached out to 11th Ward Republican Committeeman Carl Segvich to ask him about his post…

Pritzker’s transition team tells 5 On Your side it’s “not a real proposal” and there’s “absolutely no truth to that.”

We called the man whose name is on the post - a Chicago area Republican Committeeman Carl Segvich. Segvich confirms he shared the post, but insist he’s not the one who wrote it. And he concedes, he now knows it’s not true. There is no plan to tax people for leaving Illinois.

“It’s all fake. It’s all false,” said Segvich. “And, I believe I erroneously passed it along. No big deal really.”

5 On Your Side legal analyst, Jon Ammann from Saint Louis University Law School says this “departing tax” idea would also be unconstitutional. He says it goes against the 14th Amendment and the right to live and travel where we want.

He just “passed it along.” OK.

* Snopes even got into the act…

We reached out to Jordan Abudayyeh, Pritzker’s spokeswoman, who confirmed that the contents of post circulating on Facebook were “absolutely not true” and appeared to be nothing more than a hoax or an unflagged attempt at satire.

Prtizker, a billionaire and Hyatt hotel heir, won the Illinois gubernatorial race on 6 November 2018 by a wide margin over Republican incumbent Bruce Rauner. Pritzker and his Democratic colleagues supported replacing the state’s flat income tax with a progressive income tax, which would mean higher rates for wealthier Illinoisans with tax breaks for others. However, we found no evidence to suggest Pritzker had ever floated charging residents a special tax assessment for moving out of the state, and it’s unlikely any such plan could be legally implemented.

Segvich, by the way, has done campaign work for Bob Grogan, Adam Andrzejewski, Jim Oberweis and Tony Peraica. From his LinkedIn page…

It’s about The American CULTURE (Political) War. Voting for any democrat is a vote for deranged Public Policy.

posted by Rich Miller
Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:33 am

Comments

=== Some people will believe anything … ===

Believe anything or, as a party operative, spread anything to deceive people about the policies of your opposition.

Comment by Norseman Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:40 am
It will be difficult to stop the creation of fake news but there needs to be some type of social pressure placed on folks who shamelessly spread this stuff around.

Comment by Gallactic Cupcake Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:42 am
The dumbing down of America has reached a new low. And both parties are accountable.

Comment by SSL Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:43 am
abolish facebook

Comment by brickle Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:44 am
This is why I no longer have a Facebook account.

Comment by Demoralized Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:45 am
Today’s GOP: Out of ideas and just making stuff up.

Comment by Moe Berg Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:45 am
Oops, need to have another caffeine fix. The person sharing was not an operative.

We have a big problem with people failing to ask themselves if things they’re reading really make sense.

Comment by Norseman Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:46 am
How much would the tax be on a billionaire leaving the Stste and say, heading to Italy ???

Comment by Wow Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:47 am
It’s not just ‘dumbing down’. Far from expanding people’s horizons, social media has just enabled people who simply believe what they want to believe. “If my guy said it . . . ”

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/12/10/social-media-outpaces-print-newspapers-in-the-u-s-as-a-news-source/

Comment by Out Here In The Middle Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:47 am
His whole LinkedIn page goes pretty far down the rabbit hole.

Comment by thunderspirit Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:48 am
Whoa, that LinkedIn page is something else. After reading that, I am not inclined to believe that he “erroneously” passed this nonsense along.

Comment by JoanP Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:49 am
===It’s about The American CULTURE (Political) War. Voting for any democrat is a vote for deranged Public Policy.===

That’s the ticket. A winning message for the GOP for sure.

Comment by don the legend Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:53 am
It started yesterday with the pension nonsense.

Comment by Not a Billionaire Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:53 am
It still wouldn’t stop me from moving once I retire

Comment by seenthebigpicture Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:54 am
I use facebook a lot as a teachable moment with my teens. I like to pull up something like this and challenge them to spot the logical fallacy or the journalistic slight of hand. I also have them articulate the bias being manipulated.
This game evolved out of a huge battle I had with my 18yo about an article that she referenced about how scientists and social workers are seeing elementary school kids who can’t write because they don’t have the developed hand strength because of cell phone usage. I immediately called BS and my teen, God love her, chose it as the hill she was gonna die on. And inside of 5 minutes she did. Based upon an article written in the UK, it cited no study, only anecdotal evidence from school social workers and parents with kids who had writing difficulties. Now the girls like to try to stump me with true or not true and why. It’s fun
One thing we laminated was the
Thou Shalt Not Commit Logical Fallacies poster
Checking fake news is an important family skill in this age.

Comment by Honeybear Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:55 am
Gallactic Cupcake- You can. Report the post to Facebook as fake news if it’s posted as news anywhere on FB, or report the comment.

https://www.facebook.com/help/572838089565953

Comment by Anon221 Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:56 am
===It will be difficult to stop the creation of fake news but there needs to be some type of social pressure placed on folks who shamelessly spread this stuff around.===

The 1st amendment is a serious concept. It means you can post crap like this. Maybe we should have an amendment that forces people to use logical reasoning and not sit behind their computer and take everything as fact.

To the post:
The Carl Segvich’s of the world are what’s wrong with politics. Both parties have them. The problem with the GOP is that with a shrinking party the ‘Segvich’s’ of world get a greater voice. Some might call that a death spiral.

Comment by Baggs McCoy Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:56 am
==And both parties are accountable.==

Oh come on. This false equivalency is counterproductive at best. One party gave us Trump, birtherism, fake news, turnaround agenda, and perpetuates the falsehood that tax cuts reduce deficits. The Not So Grand Ol’ Party is a laughingstock at the State and National levels.

There was a time when this Segvich guy would’ve been seen as a fringe Republican. These days, he’s considered “the base.”

Comment by Can Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 9:58 am
I’ve come across Segvich before over the years. He’s a flat-out, racist, knuckle-dragging lunatic.

And a leader in the Cook County GOP. He gets cred in some circles because he’s a “GOP committeeman.”

He and that Nazi who won the GOP nomination for Congress are direct products of the laziness of today’s Illinois GOP.

All that dough from Rauner, Griff and Uihlein, and all that editorial support from the tronclodytes, and they’re still no factor in Cook County. And now they’re getting chased out of the suburbs.

Because they don’t work it. They just talk (whine). Not a bit of hustle in any of them.

Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:03 am
==”No big deal really.”==

Except that it’s the very thing roiling democracy as a whole right now- using social media to obliterate the idea of agreed-upon facts.

Comment by Arsenal Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:04 am
==Departing Taxpayer Fee==

Which raises the question, is there state tax on funeral costs in Illinois?

Comment by Streator Curmudgeon Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:05 am
Obviously there is no legal way to do this directly, but a proposal that would indirectly place a sort of exit tax on folks moving out of state, in the form of lower home values when they sell, was made by 3 economists at the Chicago Fed back in May. Here is a link to a Crain’s article discussing it: https://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20180514/CRED0701/180519952/chicago-fed-economists-recommend-statewide-property-tax. Although the proposal generated much opposition and outrage, I happen to think its basically a good idea, because it would address pension underfunding and put the burden (for the most part) on people who benefited from this underfunding in the past by paying less in taxes than they should have to properly fund government.

Comment by Andy S. Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:05 am
The problem in this case isn’t Facebook. It’s a Republican politician spreading lies about a Democratic politician in bad faith because he is of the type that hates Democrats more than he loves America.

Comment by hisgirlfriday Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:06 am
Facebook serves a purpose: it is a social network. Anyone who treats it as a news outlet is in the wrong lane. It’s really a shame how it has been corrupted. I still use it but would leave it in a second for a competitor who prohibited political posts of any kind. Like this.

Comment by Original Rambler Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:07 am
https://youtu.be/ldzPAf9EUOQ

Comment by Honeybadger Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:09 am
There’s lots of phoniness with those trying to exploit Illinois exodus and push the narrative. These people live and profit in Illinois, with higher than average incomes and a state income tax that for decades has been low relative to neighbor states.

Comment by Grandson of Man Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:15 am
We had a school board member that was claiming the test results showing lead in the water at multiple schools was ‘fake news’.
1 week later the school district admitted this was true, and was beginning to retrofit lead water filters on hundreds of fixtures in more than half the school buildings.

‘Fake News’ is a dual-purpose tool;
It can be used to spread skewed perspectives on opposition, like in this example.
It can also be used to deny real events, like in the above example.

This is allowed to continue because nobody is seriously holding to account the people who make these statements.

Comment by TheInvisibleMan Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:16 am
@Honeybear -

I love what you are doing with your kids, and it’s great that they are having fun with it. Wish more parents would do that. That poster should be in every school, but I guess they are too busy “teaching to the test”.

Comment by JoanP Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:20 am
I was at a presentation yesterday with a speaker who is a prominent reporter in my field. He was talking about the concept of a “post-truth” world and its implications. Without necessarily agreeing with it, he mentioned that in today’s news economy, there are almost no “authorities” whose truth is seen as above question. We used to look to folks like Walter Cronkite to give us reliable info, aka, the truth. Now, we all have our own truth and we only tend to seek out sources that we already agree with.

This is a consequence of that.

Comment by 47th Ward Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:20 am
Question: If a departing tax would be against the 14th amendment, then would a “commuter tax” also violate the 14th amendment? I heard Bill Daley proposing the idea of taxing suburbanites who work in the city.

I don’t think you have to be gullible to believe this idea was true. I think the average voter would find this believable, especially if you live in Cook County…

Comment by JakeCP Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:21 am
Many years ago KMOX radio had a late night talk show hosted by Jim White. One of his favorite sayings was “You can’t fix stupid.”

Enough said.

Comment by illini Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:24 am
now you know how trump got elected

Comment by foster brooks Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:28 am
An “exit tax” already exists, in part, but it’s called a “transfer tax.” Some municipalities already charge one: https://wqad.com/2018/11/27/cities-in-illinois-eye-exit-tax-for-pricey-homes/

Comment by unclesam Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:28 am
@unclesam, if I’m reading your article right it’s more of a mansion tax than a transfer tax. If you sell an expensive house/property you pay more, whether you move across town or out of state. Maybe similar in effect but not quite legally the same, IM(non-lawyer)O.

Comment by Perrid Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:33 am
===exit tax” already exists, in part, but it’s called a “transfer tax.”===

That’s such a stupid piece of rhetoric. I sold a house and moved a few miles away in the same town. I wouldn’t have paid an “exit tax.”

Comment by Rich Miller Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:33 am
==Departing Taxpayer Fee==

There is an federal IRS expatriation tax for US citizens and green card holders who give up citizenship. The tax is applied when the US citizenship is relinquished and is on top of all taxes previously paid. The idea is to be a deterrent to people who are renouncing US citizenship for tax purposes.

Comment by Huh? Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:37 am
Public shaming of those promoting these ridiculous fake news items would instead be seen as a badge of honor by their fellow travelers. Truth would just be labeled as another part of the “deep state” conspiracy.

There have always been groups of people banding together in order to wallow in the shared view so that their abhorrent behavior is viewed within the group as normal and OK but social media and the changing environment of journalism have greatly increased the magnitude of this problem.

Comment by former southerner Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:37 am
===If a departing tax would be against the 14th amendment, then would a “commuter tax” also violate the 14th amendment?

No, the commuter tax is a tax on income earned in the jurisdiction taxing the person. It doesn’t impede freedom to travel and is based on a decision to take work in the jurisdiction.

Commuter taxes aren’t that uncommon. St. Louis has one, for example. The justification (I’m not arguing yeah or nay here, just pointing out why they are passed) is that individuals are using city services and city infrastructure to earn money so they should have a share of the burden that residents have.

Comment by ArchPundit Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:39 am
JoanP—Your compliment to Honeybear was awesome. Your unnecessary swing at schools was not.

Comment by ajjacksson Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:53 am
“I just passed on some fake news that could have been revealed as untrue with a simple Google search or a phone call, but it fit the narrative I want to use to stoke fear and division so I did it anyway. It’s really a big deal for someone in my position.” There, fixed it for him.

Comment by Harvest76 Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:54 am
If anyone wants to get a flavor of what we are talking about in real life here is a guide to New York’s transportation commuter tax.

https://tax.ny.gov/pdf/publications/mctmt/pub420.pdf

Comment by Baggs McCoy Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 11:01 am
HA #2 makes the court of claims the jurisdiction for any lawsuits brought against the “Departing taxpayer fee Act” and exempts any cases from the $2 million award limit, per Gov. Rauner’s request.

Comment by Michelle Flaherty Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 11:08 am
JoanP, As far a “teaching to the test”, I haven’t experienced any of that with my girls being at the end of their time in District 7 public schools (Glen Carbon,Edwardsville) It’s a great distict and I have many teacher friends there.
But what I wanted to point out is that
What the internet now demands of us is a
high amount of personal education
and personal accountability
That was not present or demanded in previous decades.
With the internet and social media being so so present.
It literally demands that we be better
That we have and maintain accountability

It’s such a different age.
I think so much more was hidden
and in the shadows
It’s not that crime and discord are going up
(I believe)
It’s that now we can see it on social media
in almost real time.

Comment by Honeybear Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 11:14 am
I was also thinking this morning about how are systems of making meaning and sense, like church or organizations, etc. are eroding fast.
Church, civic organizations, even political parties, used to help us make meaning, make sense
Now I would say we’re on our own more than ever.
The effect of gaslighting is that
I don’t know whom to trust.
I trust some folks here.
I work daily to understand and to improve
But I feel isolated a lot.
There seems to be no sanctuary from the world

Comment by Honeybear Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 11:18 am
*===exit tax” already exists, in part, but it’s called a “transfer tax.”===

That’s such a stupid piece of rhetoric. I sold a house and moved a few miles away in the same town. I wouldn’t have paid an “exit tax.”*

On top of Rich’s comment, some parts of a transfer tax can be paid by the seller and other parts by the buyer. So, is it an “entrance tax” for the buyer portion? Leave it to IL News Network to slip in that fake name for it as though it is news.

Comment by Montrose Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 11:22 am
This sort of nonsense has been around forever. It’s just easier to get it out there on the internet.

Comment by Cheryl44 Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 11:40 am
Someone should tell Carl Segvich Facebook has a delete button. Since he now knows the post isn’t true.

Comment by Da Big Bad Wolf Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 11:46 am
- ArchPundit - Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 10:39 am:
Commuter taxes aren’t that uncommon. St. Louis has one, for example. The justification (I’m not arguing yeah or nay here, just pointing out why they are passed) is that individuals are using city services and city infrastructure to earn money so they should have a share of the burden that residents have.
——————

I’m surprised the city of Springfield hasn’t responded to the growth of Chatham, Rochester, Sherman, etc. by trying to tax people(especially state employees) who live in the outlying communities but work regularly in Springfield.

Comment by Leatherneck Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 12:07 pm
We elected a Billionaire Governor who said he believes people like him should pay more taxes, but ripped toilets out of one of his mansions to avoid paying taxes.

Comment by the Patriot Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 12:41 pm
==but ripped toilets out of..==

Lol. One doesn’t “rip” a toilet. One can lift a toilet off the floor to remove it. Have you ever seen anyone rip a toilet?

Comment by Da Big Bad Wolf Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 12:48 pm
Some people should concern them selves more with the possible “Village Idiot Abatement and Tax” bill that “people” tell me is coming.

I hear Segvich would be placed in the highest bracket for that one.

Comment by JS Mill Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 12:52 pm
Maybe we should consider an idiocy tax? Debt free in no time.

Comment by Precinct Captain Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 1:57 pm
“Have you ever seen anyone rip a toilet?”

[reply deleted in the interests of good taste]

– MrJM

Comment by @misterjayem Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 2:07 pm
I’ve heard that Elk Grove Village in Cook County charges an extra fee on real estate sales if you sell your house and move out of the village. Don’t know if it’s true, but I’ve heard it a couple times from various residents.

Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 3:22 pm
Carl Segvich has been embarrassing sane Republicans in Illinois for quite a few years.

Comment by GOPgal Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 4:33 pm
=Departing taxpayer fee=

For Bruce Rauner?

Comment by A 400lb. Guy on a bed Wednesday, Dec 12, 18 @ 5:46 pm