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* Republican Sen. Chapin Rose’s SB2124…
Adds pneumatic guns, spring guns, paint ball guns, and B-B guns that have specified features and that are brought to school, any school-sponsored activity or event, or any activity or event that bears a reasonable relationship to school to the list of objects for which a student shall be expelled for a period of not less than one year. Provides that expulsion for these types of guns may be modified by the superintendent and the superintendent’s determination may be modified by the school board on a case-by-case basis.
Check the bill text for the “specified features”…
Any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or B-B gun that expels a single globular projectile not exceeding 0.18 of an inch in diameter, has a maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second, or expels breakable paint balls containing washable marking colors.
* The Question: Your thoughts on this bill?
posted by Rich Miller
Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 2:29 pm
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Not sure if a year expulsion is the right type of punishment, but I am all for banning guns of any type in schools. There is no need for those things to be in a school at any time. If a student wants to study the use of guns, join the military as soon as they are old enough. Learn in that setting.
Comment by Big Joe Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 2:33 pm
If you bring a paint ball gun to school you’d better have a good explanation.
OTOH, I brought a twelve gauge shotgun to my high school in 1982. It was for a demonstration project in a speech class. I got an A. Also asked the Principal for permission in advance.
But I walked in the front door with a shotgun in its case and kept it in my locker between classes. Nobody thought twice about it.
Those were the days.
Comment by 47th Ward Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 2:37 pm
Just another useless liberal law designed to punish law-abiding paint gun guys and gals.
If paint guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have paint guns.
Comment by wordslinger Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 2:39 pm
In my opinion should read may be expelled not shall be
Also I would assume school district would have to pay for alternative school. Can’t just have kid sit home looking for trouble
Comment by DuPage Saint Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 2:41 pm
“Nobody thought twice about it.”
In 1967, when I was 10 years old, bought 2 boxes of .410 shotgun shells. Same year walked through the LaSalle Street train station carrying the cased gun to catch a train to my grandparents house.
Now a day, kids get suspended for using a finger pistol and going “pwee pwee”.
Comment by Huh? Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 2:44 pm
–In my opinion should read may be expelled not shall be–
The difference between “may” or “shall” can make all the difference in the world when it comes to gun laws.
Comment by wordslinger Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 2:45 pm
The provision allowing for discretion is the problem. It really opens the door for students who do the same thing to be treated very differently.
The other is “bears a reasonable relationship to school.” If the school’s baseball team decides that they want to attend a Cubs game together, they buy their own tickets, and someone is messing around with a paint ball gun prior, is that a “reasonable relation to school”?
Comment by Gooner Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 2:46 pm
Now if only Chapin Rose were as concerned about continued, adequate funding for his Alma Mater. Priorities, I guess.
Comment by illini Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 2:47 pm
Key phrase folks: Provides that expulsion for these types of guns may be modified by the superintendent and the superintendent’s determination may be modified by the school board on a case-by-case basis.
However, it seems having that discretion piece at all really shows that Chapin knows the one year expulsion in the sentence before is overkill
Comment by Otown Beatdown Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 2:51 pm
Since someone started it. Do we need a FOID card to by one of these paint ball gun thingies.?
Comment by Blue Dog Dem Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 2:51 pm
A year seems excessive.
Comment by A Jack Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 2:52 pm
What he is proposing- since the law provides for modification by the school board or superintendent- is already allowable now. We can already expel a kid for bringing a paintball gun or any of the other “guns” he lists to school. Check your kids’ school handbook.
Chapin Rose-behind the times as always.
Comment by JS Mill Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 2:56 pm
You’ll shoot your eye out, kid.
Comment by Anonymous Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 2:57 pm
So the school suspends the child, who then….???…sits at home? Attends an alternative school (and possibly becoming more of a delinquent) at taxpayer expense? Runs the streets, becomes a politician and…?
Comment by revvedup Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 3:02 pm
Government nannyism overreach. Seems to be already covered under other provisions.
Comment by RNUG Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 3:06 pm
So you could be expelled for bringing a potato gun (the one that shoots little chunks of potato?)
Comment by OneMan Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 3:10 pm
Where is Todd Vandermyde?
Comment by 360 Degree TurnAround Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 3:11 pm
Mandate expulsion, but then give locals discretion to undo your mandate.
It’s almost like Rose feels the need to look responsive to gun issues at schools without actually doing anything.
Bold.
Comment by Michelle Flaherty Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 3:13 pm
Before assessing future state, I like to know current state. How often does this scenario occur in a school year?
Comment by City Zen Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 3:14 pm
I don’t support. I’m not a big fan of mandatory minimums. I acknowledge I could be biased. When I think of kids with bb guns I picture thugs like these: http://www.newstrib.com/news/peru-bb-gun-club-outguns-olgesby-s-shooters/article_060e1320-3d22-11e9-8f73-fb51ba1817ce.html
Comment by Earnest Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 3:16 pm
Are bb/airsoft guns with a velocity over 700 fps already banned? Otherwise I’m confused by the “less than 700 feet per second” provision.
Comment by Actual Red Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 3:16 pm
Why does this need to be state law?
Comment by lost in the weeds Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 3:20 pm
Darn Central Illinois gun grabbers
Comment by DuPage Bard Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 3:23 pm
Suspension from school doesn’t really help solve the situation.
Comment by d. p. gumby Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 3:25 pm
I’m about as anti-gun as it gets but even I think expulsion around paintball guns is pretty ridiculous.
Comment by Wha? Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 3:33 pm
The require to expel is unreasonable. When I was a principal, I had a school offer who was desperate for me to suspend a high schooler who wore a bullet belt (THAT HE PLACED ON THE METAL DETECTOR) before he entered. I can just see the misuse. If someone has intent to do harm, but 47th ward’s point should be considered. “May be” is fine.
Comment by former principal Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 3:46 pm
One of the things to think about with something like this that is often ignored is things like parking lots. So some junior in high school, who plays paintball on the weekends leaves his paintball “gun” in the trunk of his car at school… 1 year off? really…
The other thing to ask, is there really a surge of paintball and bb gun crime in schools? are we solving a problem that already has solutions?
Comment by Ron - In Texas Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 3:54 pm
One of the things to think about with something like this that is often ignored is things like parking lots. So some junior in high school, who plays paintball on the weekends leaves his paintball “gun” in the trunk of his car at school… 1 year off? really…
The other thing to ask, is there really a surge of paintball and bb gun crime in schools? are we solving a problem that already has solutions?
Comment by Ron - In Texas Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 3:54 pm
When I coached High School sports, not so long ago, we often had “alternative” practices where, instead of practicing our actual sport, we played kickball, flag-football, went to movies, and yes, went and played paintball. Would this have been grounds for expulsion? Seriously, stop the madness
Comment by FormerILLobster Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 4:04 pm
“So you could be expelled for bringing a potato gun (the one that shoots little chunks of potato?)”
and what about Nerf guns? Minion guns?
/s
Comment by Hieronymus Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 4:05 pm
Many schools have archery teams. A bow and arrow is considerably more dangerous than a paint ball gun.
Comment by A Jack Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 4:06 pm
==Where is Todd Vandermyde?==
In Indianapolis going to get a steak at St. Elmos
Comment by Todd Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 4:17 pm
Who exactly is this supposed to deter? Are we supposed to believe that there are kids out there who were willing to bring their BB gun to school and cause a ruckus but who would only do it if they wouldn’t get expelled?
Comment by lincoln's beard Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 4:37 pm
Mandatory policies are misused to always avoid case by case decisions.
#CommonSense
Comment by Anonymous Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 4:38 pm
I thought we were trying to keep kids in school and be reasonable about responses. I don’t see how minimum of 1 year expulsion makes sense for these items, even if there is a case by case basis. We know that school boards, superintendents, etc., are only human.
Comment by Friend of the Family Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 4:39 pm
– If paint guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have paint guns. –
Paintball guns don’t paint people. People paint people.
Comment by XonXoff Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 5:17 pm
I can’t see what issues this addressing. As others have asked is there a problem with bb guns and paintballs at schools happening?
I looked at other Bills he has proposed and signed up too. Maybe he is just trying to fill his page up to look like he is busy?
Comment by FormerParatrooper Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 6:03 pm
This proposed legislation seems to be addressing a single constituent issue somewhere… seriously, people are just now discovering that airsoft is a thing? I think this is a case where it’s better to write to a broader guideline with room for reasonable exceptions, rather than try to address every potential permutation.
Comment by Anonymous Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 8:04 pm
Paintball? A Republican? Not The Onion??? Incredible.
Comment by Anonymous Monday, Mar 4, 19 @ 11:23 pm
Cook Co please Tax the air canisters and balls …Make $millions$
Comment by NorthsideNoMore Tuesday, Mar 5, 19 @ 8:01 am
A major concern here should be how similar some of these “toys” are in appearance to actual handguns. The responses of others who see them in a school could be tragic. In my experience, as a cop, the more realistic the gun is, the more likely that the orange cap at the end is filed off.
Comment by j Tuesday, Mar 5, 19 @ 8:16 am