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* WGN…
A key detail raised in court about the fatal police shooting of 13-year-old Adam Toledo may have been wrong.
During a bond hearing for 21-year-old Ruben Roman, who was with Adam the night of the shooting, Cook County Assistant State’s Attorney James Murphy described the altercation in a proffer: “The officer tells [Toledo] to drop it as [Toledo] turns towards the officer. [Toledo] has a gun in his right hand.”
But now, in response to a WGN Investigates inquiry, the state’s attorney’s office says the detail about Adam having a gun in his hand the moment he was shot was inaccurate.
“An attorney who works in this office failed to fully inform himself before speaking in court,” Sarah Sinovic, a spokesperson for Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx, told WGN Investigates Thursday. It comes just before the Civilian Office of Police Accountability releases several videos of the incident.
* This is really hard to watch…
COPA Releases Video and Other Materials of Fatal Officer Involved Shooting of 13-Year-Old Adam Toledo https://t.co/i82sjFwkN3 pic.twitter.com/O52ujgmGiv
— COPA (@ChicagoCOPA) April 15, 2021
* Related…
* Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot says video of Adam Toledo’s fatal shooting by police ‘incredibly difficult to watch,’ calls for peace as city braces for its release
* Lightfoot says Chicago ‘failed’ Adam Toledo, vows to do more to save teens like him
…Adding… In case you do not want to watch the videos, here’s a description from Block Club Chicago…
Video released Thursday shows a Chicago police officer fatally shooting 13-year-old Adam Toledo as he raised his hands in a Little Village alley on March 29. […]
Video taken from the front door of a Little Village church shows Toledo and 21-year-old Ruben Roman walking down the street before stopping at the corner of 24th Street and Sawyer Avenue, where it appears Roman fired shots at a target that is out of view. Toledo and Roman leave, video footage shows.
Body-camera footage shows an officer chasing Toledo through an alley, with the officer yelling at Toledo to stop. The officer catches up to Toledo, who appears to have stopped running near a gap in a fence between the alley and a church parking lot.
The officer flashes a strobe flashlight at Toledo and says, “Hands! Show me your f***ing hands!” The body-camera footage appears to show Toledo standing near the fence with a gun in his hand, holding it behind his back.
Immediately after commanding Toledo to show his hands, the officer shot the boy at close distance. Toledo’s hands were raised when he was shot, the footage shows. […]
Footage released by police does not show Toledo point or raise a gun at the officer at the conclusion of the chase. Toledo does not appear to be holding the gun as an officer shot him, though video does not clearly show him dropping the gun.
posted by Rich Miller
Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 2:59 pm
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Oh man, this is so tough to watch. No words. This video seems to directly contradict initial CPD and State’s Attorney reports that created a different narrative around the incident.
Comment by Math Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:05 pm
In other words, Cook County Assistant State’s Attorney James Murphy lied. Will he be sanctioned by his boss or the court?
I won’t hold my breath.
Comment by Northsider Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:07 pm
I couldn’t bring myself to watch with the sound on, but I saw the video. The kid did not have a gun in his hand when he was shot. His hands were up. CPD murdered a 13 year old kid. No amount of “he was lost to the streets” rhetoric can change that.
Comment by Actual Red Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:08 pm
Northsider, respectfully as possible, if you think there’s going to be punishment for the ASA, you were born recently.
Comment by Precinct Captain Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:16 pm
I can’t bring myself to watch the video, is it as bad as the description sounds?
Comment by OneMan Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:25 pm
Weird that they host it on Vimeo. And was the rapidly blinking light from the body cam? Or where?
Comment by Fav Human Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:26 pm
Hard to watch for sure. His hands are about head height, and as he turns it looks to me like there is something in his hands. I have tried slow mo and freezing it. Might be shadows, might be a finger.
I can’t say. But for sure that rapid light does NOT improve visibility. I think it severely degrades it.
Comment by Fav Human Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:29 pm
Stop with the murdering comments. This is a tragedy. The suspect had a gun and the cop had to make a split second decision to protect his life as the suspect turns towards him. For those that do not want to watch the video it would seem that the suspect was tossing the gun as he was turning toward the cop. As the shot was fired the suspects hands were in the air. Split seconds for life and death.
Comment by Nadigam Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:38 pm
I am not going to watch it. There is nothing to be gained. I don’t need to see the video that everyone is describing to know a boy was murdered.
Comment by Montrose Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:39 pm
Nadigan, thank you.
Comment by ;) Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:40 pm
It would be very unusual for a bondcourt ASA to personally review a video before making a bond proffer. They are forced to rely on narrative police reports when they represent to the judge a description of the contents of a recording. Blame will almost certainly lie with the police officer who mischaracterized the video in his report that was given to the prosecutor.
Comment by Full Disclosure Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:41 pm
Block Club has a story posted recapping without the video embedded if you’d prefer not to view it.
Comment by Humboldt Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:42 pm
The cop shot an unarmed 13 year old.
It’s one of the toughest things I’ve ever seen… the 13 year old wasn’t given a chance, that’s why it was a split second.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:46 pm
===The suspect had a gun and the cop had to make a split second decision ==
The cop pursued Adam, the same way a predator chases prey. He had plenty of time to consider, but the decision to kill was made the moment he went on the chase.
Comment by West side Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:47 pm
That was tough to watch.
Comment by Glengarry Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:47 pm
=== the murdering comments===
His hands were up.
There was no weapon.
The only stopping… should have been the officer stopping for longer than less than a second.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:50 pm
I second Nadigan. I don’t think the cop ever said to him/herself, “I’m going to kill someone tonight.” They made a bad decision in a dangerous situation the type of which most of us will never encounter.
Comment by Quizzical Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:51 pm
The cop made a series of decisions over much more then a “split second.” He decided to pursue, decided to draw his gun, decide to switch the safety off, decided to point it at a 13 year old child and pull the trigger, when that kid had stopped running, dropped the gun, and raised his hands in a universal gesture of surrender. This is a child we’re talking about. He was in 7th grade. He was murdered.
Comment by Actual Red Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:52 pm
Toledo had his hands up as he turned to face the officers as they ordered him. While I saw the gun behind the fence on the ground, the fact remains that Toledo was shot while facing the officers with his hands up in compliance with their orders. Why he got shot at that point can only be that the officer panicked as there was no weapon or visible threat to speak of at that point. I’m at a complete loss and so deeply saddened that this keeps happening.
Comment by Veil of Ignorance Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:54 pm
=== most of us will never encounter===
That’s not an excuse.
Encountering an unarmed 13 year old to end as it did…
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:54 pm
Kid had his hands up. I don’t know what else he was supposed to do.
Honestly how many incompetent cop stories have we had just in the last week.
Comment by Dan l Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 3:59 pm
Why are kids running down America’s alleys with guns…is a question with an answer.
Why are cops with guns chasing kids with guns down America’s alleys…is a question with an answer.
Is there one common denominator?
Comment by Dotnonymous Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:01 pm
the 13 year old wasn’t given a chance
Thanks to those who brought him into this world and put him in that position.
Comment by Birds on the Bat Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:02 pm
OW,
The suspect had a gun…he appears at the fence like he is hiding something…the video does not show his hands…he turns quickly as his hands are coming up…the shot rings out.
Tragedy not murder. 10 seconds from foot chase to shot fired. 1 second from “show me your hands” to shot fired.
Comment by Nadigam Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:02 pm
I watched the raw video as hosted on Vimeo. It was tough to watch. Nothing was slowed down, the officer made a split second decision.
Comment by We've never had one before Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:02 pm
Amazed by these “he had a gun” “split second decision” comments when his hands were up and empty at the time he was shot—Kyle Rittenhouse was allowed to kill two people, continue to walk around with an Assault rifle, and be peacefully taken into custody.
Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:05 pm
Wow, the States Attorneys office through ASA Murphy under the bus hard. “An attorney who works in this office failed to fully inform himself before speaking in court.” There is zero chance that the details of the proffer statement weren’t carefully vetted by a supervisor before being read in court.
I know ASA Murphy, no way would he “fail to inform himself” of anything on his cases.
Comment by Homebody Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:06 pm
=== The suspect had a gun===
His hands were up. No weapon.
===1 second from “show me your hands” to shot fired.===
By that, the officer’s intent was to shoot. No “second” second .
The tragedy is complying here still meant death.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:06 pm
——
I don’t think the cop ever said to him/herself, “I’m going to kill someone tonight.
—-
We don’t actually know that. Undoubtedly the cops has scrubbed his social media so you can’t see his inevitable republican/blue lives / and other white supremacist stuff.
Comment by Dan l Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:11 pm
OW, strange understanding of complying you have.
Comment by ;) Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:12 pm
===you can’t see his inevitable===
Unless you know… not only are you not helping with society grappling with this, you are exacerbating for *your own* agenda.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:13 pm
=== strange understanding of complying you have.===
This only makes sense if you believe the 13 year old should have been shot.
Like I said, the officer’s intent was to shoot. No “second” second.
He turned, he was unarmed.
Your logic seems to be intent that the shooting was deserved, not complying to your thought of what compliance means.
That’s pretty strange.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:16 pm
—–
Unless you know… not only are you not helping with society grappling with this, you are exacerbating for *your own* agenda.
—–
And what agenda might that be?
Alternatively, this isn’t a stretch to believe a guy who just shot an unarmed 13 year old who happens to be brown, who’s union boss is a avowed trumper, who’s profession has been using “blue lives matter” as a cynical cover for their nonsense - does, in fact, have ties or affection for republicans/white supremacists.
That’s a reasonable inference - all things considered.
Comment by dan l Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:21 pm
The kid followed the cop’s orders, his hands were up and empty, and then he was shot.
Comment by Wensicia Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:24 pm
=== And what agenda might that be?===
You wrote…
=== Undoubtedly the cops has scrubbed his social media so you can’t see his inevitable republican/blue lives / and other white supremacist stuff.===
So… the officer must be a … “republican/blue lives / and other white supremacist stuff.”
That’s your agenda to the officer.
=== isn’t a stretch===
It isn’t if you’re pushing an agenda.
Your want of this agenda thinking… again… you’re not only are not helping with society grappling with this, you are exacerbating for *your own* agenda.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:25 pm
=== That’s a reasonable inference - all things considered.===
The police officer could say the very same thing making a “1 second decision” with a weapon… then not having a weapon that isn’t known until after.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:27 pm
The video was actually haunting.
I usually don’t take warnings about these videos seriously but if you have not seen it then actually just don’t.
Comment by Nick Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:32 pm
—–
So… the officer must be a … “republican/blue lives / and other white supremacist stuff.”
—–
Yes. That tends to be who these guys are, right? I mean again: look at their union boss. Look at their iconography. Have they released his name? Has anybody gone through his life with a fine tooth comb the same way the coppers on twitter have with Toledo?
—–
he police officer could say the very same thing making a “1 second decision” with a weapon… then not having a weapon that isn’t known until after.
—–
The difference is, he killed somebody. I know that this person’s life doesn’t matter nearly enough as pretending to “back the blue” for some, but that’s a pretty serious thing.
Again: if you just want to go with whatever silly excuses you get like what we’ve heard this week:
-”The situation was moving fast and I had to make a decision”
-”I don’t know the difference between a handgun and a taser”
-”but he pulled over in a gas station”
Go right ahead.
Comment by dan l Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:35 pm
once again, Kim Foxx can’t handle things correctly. any other State’s Attorney and the question would not be about what the ASA did or did not do but about how the State’s Attorney cannot manage. this one is a train wreck.
Comment by Amalia Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:36 pm
As we’ve learned before, the video doesn’t capture everything, or the same perspective of everything, that the officer saw.
Comment by DD Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:37 pm
The kid sure as heck look like his hands were up and doing what he was told. The officer may have been scared but he is supposed to be a trained professional. How scared do you think a 13 year old was? There has to be other ways to restrain people. There is a bolo device that wraps people up. Look for it on you tube. I think this is link but I am bad with stuff. https://youtu.be/bwhbYqWOuQg
Comment by DuPage Saint Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:38 pm
Agreed, he doesn’t exagerate or embellish anything. Which is exactly why he is trusted with that thankless job. This discussion needs to remain focused on Adam Toledo and the staggering misdeeds on the CPD side. Any attempt to make this about a frontline bondcourt ASA is just a distraction.
== I know ASA Murphy, no way would he “fail to inform himself” of anything on his cases. ==
Comment by Full Disclosure Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:38 pm
What I’ll also say is this
We keep going back and forth on making a split second decisions. But why is it the police keep putting themselves in situations where they have to make split level decisions to kill someone or not.
Why is the person with the gun pointed at them constantly expected to be the calm one, capable of following of quickly directions, without doing anything which might be deemed threatening.
Comment by Nick Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:41 pm
=== As we’ve learned before, the video doesn’t capture everything, or the same perspective of everything, that the officer saw.===
So the officer shot with even less information than we saw… or the officer saw even better than the video showed… and shot anyway.
You sure you wanna use that as logic?
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:41 pm
I agree wth Fav Human. looked like he had something in his right hand. don’t understand why any of this video was released in slow motion. slow motion is not how life is lived.
Comment by Amalia Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:45 pm
=== looked like he had something in his right hand. don’t understand why any of this video was released in slow motion. slow motion is not how life is lived.===
So the officer made a decision with unknown facts in one second and took a life.
That’s doesn’t sound like good logic.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:47 pm
>>>> don’t understand why any of this video was released in slow motion.
I agree. I watched only the raw video from the COPA site.
Comment by We've never had one before Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:50 pm
——
As we’ve learned before, the video doesn’t capture everything, or the same perspective of everything, that the officer saw.
——
Cool story. Can you explain it?
Comment by dan l Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:51 pm
Typed and deleted several posts. Going to only say I hope peace pours onto his family and this city.
Comment by PekinKid Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:52 pm
== I know ASA Murphy, no way would he “fail to inform himself” of anything on his cases. ==
Yup, Jim’s a great guy.
Comment by littloneeva Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:57 pm
I also watched the portion of the video where the officer is just beside himself. And the same time period in the video from the officer’s partner.
I think a lot of people out there and in here are rushing to judgement and damnation.
Now imagine a world without police, or with only “fetal” police, because of trial by mass media, social media.
Comment by We've never had one before Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:57 pm
=== the 13 year old wasn’t given a chance
Thanks to those who brought him into this world and put him in that position.===
So it’s the “family” not the officer?
That’s blindly being “blue lives matter” when taking the life of an unarmed 13 year old.
Whew.
“But the family”
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:58 pm
Kim Foxx’s office has released a statement saying ASA was not fully informed.
Comment by Wensicia Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 4:59 pm
=== I also watched the portion of the video where the officer is just beside himself.===
You’re not making the officer the victim here… are you?
All that time thinking about what happened, couldn’t take a “second” second to see empty hands?
=== Now imagine a world without police, or with only “fetal” police, because of trial by mass media, social media.===
So… you think the unarmed 13 year old should be killed because a “world without police”?
Trying to justify, rationalize, and make the officer a victim?
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 5:02 pm
To those who ask why was a 13 year old running through an alley with a gun at that time…
Response: I don’t know, but whatever it was, it wasn’t punishable by death after he dropped the gun, stopped running and raised his hands.
Comment by SouthSide Markie Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 5:05 pm
=== Yes. That tends to be who these guys are===
So you’re assuming?
That’s not factual, that’s you, once again, forcing a profiling for an agenda… your agenda
===The difference is, he killed somebody. I know that this person’s life doesn’t matter nearly enough as pretending to “back the blue” for some, but that’s a pretty serious thing.===
Assuming is assuming.
You want this pushed agenda. You are forgetting that the same type of bias that could be at play, you want that implied bias as fact against the officer.
Third time… you’re not only are not helping with society grappling with this, you are exacerbating for *your own* agenda.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 5:07 pm
you know how they show videos that ask you whether you in the moment…or 842 milliseconds…. would have made a decision?
Comment by Amalia Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 5:24 pm
=== Now imagine a world without police, or with only “fetal” police, because of trial by mass media, social media.===
That’s the only two choices we get? Either a world without police or police killing unarmed kids? I can think of other choices.
Comment by Sling Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 5:26 pm
=== you know how they show videos that ask you whether you in the moment…or 842 milliseconds…. would have made a decision?===
So side on shooting an unarmed 13 year old, because 842 milliseconds is how making life and death decisions can be justified?
Your logic also means that measuring reaction time, even less than a second according to your comment should be acceptable no matter how it ends up?
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 5:28 pm
——
So you’re assuming?
——
Yes. And I’m probably right. And you know it.
And again, what reason would you possibly have to believe that this _one guy_, who just committed such a heinous and senseless act, and not like the rest of them? Why should anyone believe that?
There’s a reason why such a disproportionate number of law enforcement and military got themselves locked up on J6.
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you’re not only are not helping with society grappling with this, you are exacerbating for *your own* agenda.
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There’s no agenda here. There’s nothing being said that you can’t see for yourself if you go through the 3 incidents _just this week_ on your own, let alone the long history of right wing cops treating people of color in this fashion.
Perhaps the only ‘agenda’ here is your clinging to the notion that this is a ‘noble profession’ staffed by the ‘best and brightest’.
Comment by dan l Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 5:35 pm
=== Yes. And I’m probably right. And you know it.===
If I wanted to argue with my in-law uncle married to my favorite aunt who tells me “he knows” all kind of things I’d zoom call him.
This is pathetic and agenda driven. You have no facts
=== And again, what reason would you possibly have to believe that this _one guy_, who just committed such a heinous and senseless act, and not like the rest of them? Why should anyone believe that?
There’s a reason why such a disproportionate number of law enforcement and military got themselves locked up on J6.===
Literally, the in-law uncle version here, so far off track, it’s like you’ve forgotten the victim, but this need to push your assumptions are more important. This is quite pathetic and bad form.
===There’s no agenda here.===
You wrote…
=== Yes. And I’m probably right. And you know it.
And again, what reason would you possibly have to believe that this _one guy_, who just committed such a heinous and senseless act, and not like the rest of them? Why should anyone believe that?===
Your agenda is the assume you perpetrate it bring about “all bad cops” and ignoring and dismissing the victim.
You’re so deep in this you can’t even rationalize like an adult what you’re doing.
This is your lede in the agenda..
=== Perhaps the only ‘agenda’ here is your clinging to the notion that this is a ‘noble profession’ staffed by the ‘best and brightest’.===
… and it’s not about the incident or video today.
Capiche?
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 5:41 pm
I started to write my opinion, but it isn’t going to add anything to the discussion.
Instead, I’ll just mention that you can slow vimeo down to half speed, and then stop/start it by clicking the space bar repeatedly. Until I did so, I missed the shot where it *seems* like Toledo may have be holding gun behind his back, after he stops at the gap in the fence.
Comment by RWC Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 5:42 pm
Having taken in a little more of the discussion, I’m going to say I can understand a perspective that says policy should be not to pursue so close in such a setting. I don’t think I’d agree, but I’d understand.
But once you ask an officer to do that, after a serious crime, attempted murder, to say that he should watch a kid hold a gun slightly behind himself but in view, move his arm to a shielded position and then raise it in front of him, and wait to see whether the kid still has the gun…
I expect to police officers to face some danger. But I’m not asking them to be martyrs.
I think calling the kid “unarmed” is a mischaracterization. He was visibly armed a second before, and his action of dropping the gun was hidden. I won’t say intentionally because I don’t know his motives, but he made no effort to let the officer know he was tossing it or had let go.
I’m with the mayor - Ruben Roman is responsible for this, by firing the shots then giving the kid the gun rather than just dropping it and putting his hands up.
Comment by RWC Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 6:14 pm
Lots of condemnations and assumptions being shared here.
Facts- Someone put a gun into the hands of a 13 year old and that ultimately led to his death.
I want that person/people to face justice.
I don’t know what the kid or the cop were thinking as this went down.
I don’t know if the cop was incompetent, made a mistake, or is a cold blooded killer. I am glad it isn’t my job to figure that out.
I know that the things being posted by the police and cops on some of these blogs is not helping.
The speed this all happened does matter, but I am not expert enough to know if that reaction time was appropriate. It does not change the fact that, at the time the cop fired, an unarmed 13 year old was killed.
I know that I feel for the Toledo family, they would do anything to have Adam Toledo back in their life.
It is only bad and there is no good that happened or will happen. But justice needs to be served.
Comment by JS Mill Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 6:20 pm
If you are advocating something along the lines of…”This is an individual incident, there is no larger issue here. If the kid didn’t have a gun, he wouldn’t have gotten shot.” Please explain why the following aren’t the results of a broken system across the board that needs to be fixed.
1. A 13 year old kid has a gun.
2. A KID with a gun is attempting to escape from police.
3. A KID throws the gun away.
4. A KID gets shot with his hands up.
What sort of society would we be to argue that given all the above, the system is “fine” and nothing needs to change.
I blame the system. I don’t blame the kid. I don’t blame the cop. We live in a society where the citizenry is so heavily armed that 13 year olds get handed guns and cops fear for their lives every time they stop someone.
Comment by CubsFan16 Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 6:36 pm
Watch the CBS report: https://chicago.cbslocal.com/video/5495074-adam-toledo-shooting-video-expert-says-close-look-at-footage-shows-boy-holding-gun-the-barrel-of-the-gun-was-shining/amp/
Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 7:14 pm
Where are all the gun rights people today? Wasn’t Toledo exercising his second amendment rights walking around with a gun?
Comment by Tonia Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 8:10 pm
There is plenty of information on things like this. The Officer made the decision to fire when he saw the gun and kid turning toward him. It takes about .5 seconds to make a decision. By the time the gun goes off the kid has turned. Force Science has down these studies before. It takes time to make a decision. Its a fact. Same reason some of these incidents appear to be the Officer shooting a person in the back.
Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 8:14 pm
With the procedures Foxx in place for us to provide proffers at bond court, it is very disheartening to see how quickly and thoroughly she’s willing to throw her assistants under the bus.
Comment by AlfondoGonz Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 8:14 pm
The kid was shot literally as he was ordered to cooperate and was trying to cooperate: raise your hands. He was raising his hands and cooperating. That is just chilling.
Comment by Grandson of Man Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 8:22 pm
All those years without body cameras.
All those people - all those lives - all that pain - all those lies…
Comment by Cool Papa Bell Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 8:52 pm
When the cop fired Adam Toledo’s age was not known and is not relevant. He was on the street at 2 am with a gun after it was reported that shots were fired. The video does not show whether he is 13 or 33.
Were I on a jury, I would call this a good shoot.
One sickening aspect of this is that the parents who let their 13 year son go out with a weapon at 2am and shoot at people will make millions. Our system rewards bad parenting.
Comment by Last Bull Moose Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 8:53 pm
“Like I said, the officer’s intent was to shoot.”
Have to agree with this. He shot the kid as the kid was following his command to raise his hands. Why would a cop order someone to do something and shoot during cooperation? Imagine the tyranny of police legally being able to shoot cooperating suspects.
Comment by Grandson of Man Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 9:29 pm
===Were I on a jury, I would call this a good shoot===
Shooting an unarmed person who is holding their hands in the air after they complied with your demand to stop running and to put their hands in the air is a good shot?
If there’s anything I’ve learned to appreciate in the last few years is that white people have really flexible standards for when something becomes a murder.
Murdering someone that has complied with the police and has their hands up isn’t in any police procedure handbook that I am aware of — but to echo back to a conversation we all had earlier in the week, this is why legislators are making an effort to end qualified immunity or to at least change how it is used or defined in practice.
Murdering kids who comply with your instructions and put your hands up is not the kind of behavior that the body politic is interested in protecting from scrutiny.
===Cook County Assistant State’s Attorney James Murphy ===
James Murphy needs to be removed from his position at the State’s Attorney office. Our options are that he is either an incompetent attorney or one that knowingly lied the the public.
We rely on the States Attorney office to represent the public interest in these matters, including when that may mean holding a police officer accountable for a crime committed while wearing the uniform. Public statements that are out right lies and blatantly inaccurate erode the public’s trust in that office and the ability to do their jobs.
We do not have need of a prosecutor too lazy to review evidence before making false claims. We do not have need of a prosecutor so disinterested in justice they would lie to the public about the facts.
James Murphy should be encouraged to find new employment so that he does not jeopardize the public trust.
Comment by Candy Dogood Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 9:53 pm
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And again, what reason would you possibly have to believe that this _one guy_, who just committed such a heinous and senseless act, and not like the rest of them? Why should anyone believe that?===
Your agenda is the assume you perpetrate it bring about “all bad cops” and ignoring and dismissing the victim.
You’re so deep in this you can’t even rationalize like an adult what you’re doing.
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What are you even reading?
The reality here remains:
-As a profession, law enforcement is decidedly right wing.
-As an organization, Chicago Police have chosen an obnoxious right wing/white supremacist as their union leader. By overwhelming vote.
-By and large, most cops are right wing.
-The numerous people who are defending the murder of a 13 year old are, in fact, right wing.
-It is beyond a reasonable assumption, that the murdering cop was a right wing type.
You can play dumb. You can pretend. You can do whatever you like. Everybody knows it. You know it. I know it. It’s simple.
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… and it’s not about the incident or video today.
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Of course it’s not just about the video released today. It’s about the total body of work. Just in the last week:
-A cop, pretending to not know the difference between a full sized, fully loaded semi-automatic handgun and her taser, murdered a man. Also a union president.
-2 cops, who accosted a service member _in uniform_, deploying chemical weapons because he opted to pull over into a well lit area during a nonsensical DWB traffic stop.
And next week, there will be more largely white, largely right wing cops murdering people of color.
Comment by dan l Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 10:07 pm
Perhaps as an aside, but beware the Tier 4 law school graduates.
Comment by Candy Dogood Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 10:07 pm
=== Of course it’s not just about the video released today. It’s about the total body of work.===
Your assumptions are still just that. Your agenda is still just that too. You even said, it it’s not just about this video. Ig is about your assumptions.
This has ZERO to do with anything, just your own agenda;
=== -As a profession, law enforcement is decidedly right wing.
-As an organization, Chicago Police have chosen an obnoxious right wing/white supremacist as their union leader. By overwhelming vote.
-By and large, most cops are right wing.
-It is beyond a reasonable assumption, that the murdering cop was a right wing type.===
The assumptions are quite pathetic, they are not helping, you know nothing about the shooter, but you want this tragedy to be about anything than what it was.
Fourth time… you’re not only are not helping with society grappling with this, you are exacerbating for *your own* agenda.
===You can play dumb. You can pretend. You can do whatever you like. Everybody knows it. You know it. I know it. It’s simple.===
You are no better that the right wing folks who “know” but rarely have any facts to anything happening around them.
The in-law uncle, who “knows”, and embarrasses the family.
“You know” is the worse take to this whole thing so you can have an agenda. You are doing nothing here for the victim.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 11:23 pm
There is a lot of misconceptions about this video for people who watch it super slow or watch it 100’s of times or read very politicized news before or right after watching the video.
He had a gun in his hand…as he began to turn and raise his hands he tossed it…there is no way for the officer to actually see this toss of the gun as a result of the angle.
As the hands come up he shoots. Was the cop in the right, idk there codes but I seriously doubt it. But that doesn’t make it murder there are other possible charges depending on illinois law. Since he couldn’t see the tossing of the gun but could see it in his hand before that he has to assume the gun is being raised which will likely be his argument if/when this case goes to court.
Unfortunately in Adam’s attempt to slickly hide the gun he did it in a way that the cop couldn’t see. It is tragic but it definitely doesn’t appear at this time to fit the definition of murder. It could potentially fall into other charges, I’m not a lawyer so I don’t know
Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Apr 15, 21 @ 11:54 pm
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Fourth time… you’re not only are not helping with society grappling with this, you are exacerbating for *your own* agenda.
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If that’s all you’ve got - and that very much appears to be the case - I’d say you’re not equipped for this discussion.
Comment by dan l Friday, Apr 16, 21 @ 8:01 am
=== If that’s all you’ve got - and that very much appears to be the case - I’d say you’re not equipped for this discussion.===
Are you sure you’re not my in-law uncle married to my favorite aunt?
For a person who listed ALL speculation and conjecture to stir up angst and animosity and ignoring the victim to push an agenda, it’s all you got.., the “I know” position… agenda with no facts.
Comment by Oswego Willy Friday, Apr 16, 21 @ 9:06 am