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* Center Square…

Pritzker warns about Delta variant, expert says time to learn to live with virus

Gov. J.B. Pritzker said the Delta variant of COVID-19 will be the dominant strain in Illinois by this fall, but one expert said it is time for residents to learn to live with the virus.

Pritzker took time during an appearance in Lawndale on Monday to urge Illinoisans to get vaccinated. He said the pandemic is not over. […]

Dr. Jane Orient, executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, said people may have to learn the Greek alphabet all the way to Omega.

“Every time there is a new variant coming out, there will be more panic, which gives more reason for the government to lock us down and take control of our business and our family,” Orient said. […]

Orient said people are going to have to learn to live with the virus.

“Learn about preventive measures like adequate vitamin D and about early treatment options instead of saying we are just going let our lives be controlled by this,” Orient said.

Notice she didn’t say anything about vaccines.

* Wikipedia…

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is an ultra-right-wing non-profit association that promotes a range of scientifically discredited hypotheses, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there is a causal relationship between vaccines and autism.

* The Atlantic…

Though AAPS often takes positions that are associated with conservative groups, it sometimes goes even further, pushing fringe views that most mainstream conservatives do not endorse, such as the belief that mandatory vaccination is “equivalent to human experimentation” and that Medicare is “evil.”

* WaPo…

Orient is the editor of an AAPS quarterly journal. Its articles, which she said are peer-reviewed, do not necessarily reflect the group’s positions. Over the years, some have asserted that the “gay male lifestyle” shortens life expectancy and that disabled babies of undocumented immigrants are “valuable” for generating welfare benefits for their families. In spring 2015, one contended that the research establishing that HIV causes AIDS “is proving to be a substantial fallacy of modern medicine.”

* The group has also referred to board certification as a “corporate cult.” But this is from last October…

The American Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS) is pleased with the recent ruling of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois Eastern Division dismissing with prejudice the lawsuit filed by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) in April 2013. For a second time, the Court dismissed this case on the pleadings, though it has now barred AAPS from refiling a new lawsuit based on the same erroneous claims. ABMS has consistently maintained that the allegations of AAPS in its lawsuit, both in the original and amended complaints, were without merit and the Court’s findings support this position.

The Court’s ruling validates the importance and value of board certification in supporting physicians throughout their careers, ensuring they have the knowledge, skills and proficiency to provide high quality specialty medical care. Moreover, the ruling rejected the claim that ABMS had engaged in an illegal conspiracy with hospitals or others with respect to their use of board certification. Instead it observes there are legitimate, alternative reasons for hospitals and insurers to require board certification, most notably the provision of useful information to the physician community as well as the patients, families, and communities we collectively serve.

posted by Rich Miller
Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 11:31 am

Comments

==”Expert”?==

No one knows her audience better.

Comment by Roadrager Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 11:36 am
==like adequate vitamin D==

We could have ended this pandemic a long time ago if we followed this vitamin D advice. /s/

Perhaps she was also on board with injecting ourselves with bleach.

Comment by Demoralized Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 11:38 am
Well, if it, um, *quacks* like a duck…

Seriously, though, we are going to have to live with the virus. COVID isn’t going to disappear. But we have effective vaccines and treatments. Time to figure things out and move on.

Comment by JB13 Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 11:40 am
“Learn about preventive measures” Wearing a mask is a preventative measure, you know just sayin’.

Comment by Skeptic Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 11:44 am
To be fair, the article didn’t specifically say she is a medical expert. She clearly has expertise in advancing ridiculous conspiracy theories.

Comment by Montrose Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 11:46 am
=but one expert said it is time for residents to learn to live with the virus.=

Isn’t the vaccine how we “learn to live with the virus”? If you’re simply relying on vitamin D then your learning to die with the virus. Or on second thought you probably haven’t learned anything.

Comment by Pundent Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 11:46 am
Heckuva job Center Square.

Comment by Chicago Cynic Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 11:49 am
The Information Age has given us easy access to valuable and useful information to improve our lives and life experiences. AND it’s given a platform to people to share messages that cause harm more easily. Maybe someday we learn how to get the benefits without the risk of harmful misinformation. Just dreaming I guess… good requires the bad.

Comment by Lincoln Lad Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 11:52 am
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-Consumer/

Comment by Cheryl44 Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 11:53 am
tl;dr- atsa kook

– MrJM

Comment by @misterjayem Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 12:05 pm
I guess my first clue that this was not medical advise was the reference to the sociological statement of government locking us down and not to medical observations.

And anyway, quite obviously no one wants a general lockdown now. At the same time people need to be aware of the risks of the variants so they can indeed plan and live their lives.

Comment by cermak_rd Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 12:08 pm
How long before she’s hired as Bailey’s Chief Pandemic Expert for his campaign?

Comment by Wensicia Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 12:09 pm
Hey Center Square, Here’s some basic info you might have also included when identifying Dr. Jane Orient:

“Dr. Jane M. Orient is the executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, a group that opposes government involvement in medicine.”

Comment by jackmac Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 12:15 pm
Well, if the death of over 600,000 Americans isn’t enough to scare the bejeezus out of her audience, then the threat of having to learn the Greek alphabet should do it.

Comment by Henry Francis Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 12:15 pm
I’ve learned to live with the virus by getting myself and everyone else I know vaccinated.

Comment by Cool Papa Bell Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 12:17 pm
what an idiot I am wasting my time checking on idfpr.com whether a physician to whom I am referred is board certified or not. s/

Comment by DEE Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 12:27 pm
I can recite the Greek alphabet before a lit match burns my fingers. I suppose I’m an expert too.

My expert advice: get vaccinated if you can, wear a mask in crowded places, and be considerate to others.

Comment by Proud Sucker Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 12:36 pm
It could be worse. Much worse. You could live in Will County where the Vice president of a nationwide anti-vax group has been placed on the county public health and safety committee.

Comment by TheInvisibleMan Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 12:44 pm
This is why it is hard for me. Dems have it somewhat easy on finding media that is slanted to them but not inane and insane. I have lost that luxury.

Comment by Lurker Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 12:55 pm
Orient’s also a Fellow with the kooks over at the Heartland Institute in Arlington Heights.

Comment by MrX Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 1:02 pm
She’s a fellow at Heartland? Oy. Really solid vetting by Heartland.

Comment by Chicago Cynic Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 1:32 pm
I’m not sure why we treat Center Square as anything other than a propaganda outlet.

Comment by Homebody Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 1:45 pm
===as anything other than a propaganda outlet===

Their stuff appears in many dozens of legit newspapers across the state. You want me to just ignore that?

Comment by Rich Miller Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 1:47 pm
=Learn about preventive measures like adequate vitamin D…=

OK, so….I was wondering where my brother (who refuses to get vaccinated) got this stuff about taking vitamin D.

Vitamin D - the supplement du jour. My bete noire:

https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Causes-Politics-Americas-Supplement/dp/0767920430

Comment by TinyDancer(FKASue) Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 2:03 pm
Has this quack group endorsed Bailey for governor yet?

Comment by Nobody Sent Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 2:17 pm
=== time for residents to learn to live with the virus. ===

Can’t live with the virus if it kills you.

Comment by Bud's Bar Stool Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 3:15 pm
=== we are going to have to live with the virus===

Are you vaccinated or adding to us all “learning to live with Covidiots”

Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 3:22 pm
Do the surgeons who belong to these groups wear masks in the operating room? The purpose of a mask in the operating room is to minimize contamination of the open wound.

Comment by Huh? Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 3:28 pm
=== Their stuff appears in many dozens of legit newspapers across the state. You want me to just ignore that? ===

Thanks for asking, Rich. The answer is yes. And the other legit newspapers should ignore them too. It’s just a right wing propaganda mill.

Comment by PublicServant Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 5:25 pm
===other legit newspapers should ignore them too===

Well, when you start creating reality, I’ll pay attention. Until then…

Comment by Rich Miller Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 5:26 pm
I would like to see a list of their members. You know, so that I can start looking for new doctors if my current doctors are members. She

Comment by thoughts matter Tuesday, Jun 29, 21 @ 9:06 pm