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House votes to repeal Parental Notification of Abortion law 62-51-3

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* Roll call..

Democrats voting No: Davis, Deluca, Scherer, Walsh, Yednock, Zalewski.

Democrats voting Present: Burke, Crespo, Hurley.

Democrats not voting: Moylan, Tarver.

posted by Rich Miller
Wednesday, Oct 27, 21 @ 11:26 pm

Comments

Rep. Tarver could vote for the bill before and after PNA, but for the PNA vote suddenly his zoom wasnt working?

Comment by Interesting Wednesday, Oct 27, 21 @ 11:36 pm
====Rep. Tarver could vote for the bill before and after PNA, but for the PNA vote suddenly his zoom wasnt working?=====

He was having problems with his feed even with previous bills.

On the other hand Rep Cassidy trying to make this a totally partisan bill by always referring to the opposition as those on the other side of the aisle is interesting. Almost a dozen of her colleagues on her side of the aisle vote no.

Comment by Been There Wednesday, Oct 27, 21 @ 11:49 pm
===Almost a dozen of her colleagues on her side of the aisle vote no===

There are a lot of Democrats that continue to support the Democratic Party that do their best to ignore their fellow Democrats that don’t believe women have rights, and in this case, specifically believe that children ought to be treated as the property of their parents.

Comment by Candy Dogood Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 1:04 am
Gotta’ love the present votes. I wonder what their conflict of interest might be.

Comment by Just Me 2 Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 1:06 am
=== specifically believe that children ought to be treated as the property of their parents.===

Kids are the responsibility of their parents first, not of the government.

Comment by Southsider Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 5:34 am
Regardless of how I feel about this issue it’s such an unnecessary political fight to start. Dems have won a lot of races in this state with voters who are barely with them or who are simply turned off by Trump. This gives them a kick in the shins to go back to Republican Party. Just bad politics if nothing else.

Comment by Galway Bay Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 5:58 am
=== Dems have won a lot of races in this state with voters who are barely with them or who are simply turned off by Trump.===

Really?

In 2018 not one GOP statewide nominee was close to winning, Pritzker won by 15+ points.

73-41 in the statehouse…

Where are these “barely won”?

You think if the GOP here nominated someone who supports insurrectionists, conspiracy theorists, and racist thinkers… this vote will matter? If anything it will help against those GOP Trunpkins

Trump’s shadow is still here

Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 6:06 am
Southsider, the government dictates all kinds of things parents need to do w/their children. They have to wear seat belts, go to school, and get other types of vaxes, etc.

Comment by Kyle’s mom Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 6:51 am
Kyles mom, regardless, southsider is correct, parents come before the government until a law is broken.

Comment by Daily grinder Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 8:07 am
-Trump’s shadow is still here-

He certainly lives rent free in your head, considering this isn’t supposed to be Facebook, you do your best to make it that way.

Comment by Daily grinder Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 8:11 am
===parents come before the government until a law is broken.===

Or when parents refuse to vaccinate their children for school, covid or not…

Reminds me of parents refusing medical treatment or surgeries, putting a child at risk.

Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 8:13 am
=== He certainly lives rent free in your head===

… and yet Trump will be campaigning in Virginia this week.

The stain of Trump is all around. Ignoring it is folly.

Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 8:14 am
==the government dictates all kinds of things parents need to do w/their children. They have to wear seat belts, go to school, and get other types of vaxes, etc.==

For this reason, I don’t see how this isn’t an issue in the Governor’s race and certain legislative races. This is a simple, easy and (dare I say) common sense argument to make and the explanation for the repeal (which I happen to agree with) is long, convoluted and complicated.

Comment by Jane Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 8:20 am
=I feel about this issue it’s such an unnecessary political fight to start.=

I think that fight was started in Texas. Any discussion that centers around PNA inevitably puts you on a collision course with what passed in Texas.

Comment by Pundent Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 8:26 am
=== Any discussion that centers around PNA inevitably puts you on a collision course with what passed in Texas.===

Ball game.

The politics to this, outside what the Act is with its repeal, the argument, once it’s signed, will be “Republicans are dangerous to women’s health” in an overall or statewide races.

The political framework is to show contrast to Texas, and if the GOP wants to make this vote consequential, and honestly why wouldn’t they want that, then GOP candidates must be prepared to answer the next question… “does that mean you support a Texas-style abortion ban, or overturning Roe v Wade?”

It’s multi-layered. That’s for sure.

Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 8:31 am
Prudent- I wasn’t aware we sent folks down to Springfield to legislate for Texans. I thought they were there to work for the best interests of all Illinoisans

Comment by Interesting Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 8:33 am
- Jane - Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 8:20 am:

You must not follow SCOTUS if you think this is gonna be the abortion issue next year.

Comment by Shield Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 8:37 am
=== I wasn’t aware we sent folks down to Springfield to legislate for Texans. I thought they were there to work for the best interests of all Illinoisans===

“You think a ban on abortions after 6 weeks is good for Illinois?”

See how this works?

This bill, this repeal, allows for that discussion.

Thing is, why are GOP folks in Illinois so silent on the Texas law? You’d think they’d be cheering. Wonder why that’s not the case.

Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 8:39 am
=== You must not follow SCOTUS if you think this is gonna be the abortion issue next year.===

Narrator: SCOTUS is taking up the Mississippi abortion law this next session, decision in the spring of 2022

Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 8:40 am
=I wasn’t aware we sent folks down to Springfield to legislate for Texans.=

And Donald Trump won’t be running in 2022 either so we shouldn’t be hearing his name mentioned right? The Democratic party would like nothing more than to have the issues or abortion and the former President front and center in 2022. And I’m sure that the Republican party will do it’s part to oblige.

Comment by Pundent Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 8:41 am
I am generally progressive on social issues, but I do disagree with this legislation.

That does not mean I view my children as property. As parents, we had a legal obligation to them that is in addition to the far more important obligation (or sense of duty born out of love) we feel as parents that did not end when they turned 18. It is the same thing my elderly parents feel for my and my siblings to this day. I recognize not all parents fell or act in this way.

I would like to think that when my children were minors, my wife and I had a good enough relationship with them that they would come to us if they were faced with this decisions. But even children with close relationships may not want to let their parents know about something like this. Some kids don’t have caring adults in their lives.

As much as I am torn in that regard, I still think parents should not be out of the process for their minor children. That may not be rationale, but I also do not view them as property and support an adult woman’s right to choose.

Comment by JS Mill Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 8:46 am
..and yet a school nurse can’t give an aspirin without parents permission.

Comment by Yeah Right Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 8:51 am
=== ..and yet a school nurse can’t give an aspirin without parents permission.===

So you agree parents should be able to force a child to have a full term pregnancy that might be rape or incest?

Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 8:53 am
=…..and somewhere, a perp who commits sexual acts against minors, is smiling.=

You need to get your facts straight. The school code does not require schools get permission to give a student and OTC medication. It is a district decision based on liability. You might not understand the difference but there is a big one.

Comment by JS Mill Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 10:06 am
===..and yet a school nurse can’t give an aspirin without parents permission.

That is a school district policy in some districts and not state law.

Comment by ArchPundit Thursday, Oct 28, 21 @ 2:46 pm