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Illinois’ version of “The Big Lie” is hilariously pathetic, but points to a bigger problem

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* So, according to this odd little graph, Republican US Senate candidate Kathy Salvi was leading then continued her same basic proportional lead when lots more votes were counted. So, yeah, it is normal. Salvi is currently winning by about 37,000 votes…

This guy. Whew. But he ain’t alone…

Unsurprisingly, she’s fundraising off of this. She may raise some dough. After all, 175,239 Republicans voted for her as of the latest update. Another 64,755 voted for Piton.

* More…

Jimmy Lee and Matt Dubiel are also failed Republican US Senate candidates…

Matt Dubiel currently has 64,755 Republican primary votes. Total all those up and the four have so far received 365,351 total Republican votes, which is 152,840 more votes than Salvi got.

That party sure appears to be seriously off track, man.

posted by Rich Miller
Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:38 pm

Comments

1. === seriously off track ===

   One of the kinder ways of putting it.

   However one describes it, the trend is a serious threat to our democracy.

   Comment by Norseman Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:45 pm

2. === That party sure appears to be seriously off track, man.===

   There comes a time where you look at a car and realize any repair to it won’t fix the car or make the car operational.

   Cars are like a lot things.

   Comment by Oswego Willy Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:48 pm

3. Was Hubbard also the candidate who brought a gun into a school building a few years ago as part of a publicity stunt? Something about metal detectors not being an adequate security measure?

   Comment by Hmm Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:54 pm

4. It’s time to make a Mock Congress like the schools with Mock UN Clubs. That way, these cry baby losers who get 3rd or 4th place in their primary election can have something to do to keep them busy and get to feel like they’re important. Much better than their unhinged ramblings on the web.

   Comment by Hot Taeks Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:56 pm

5. Perhaps if the Cuckoo Caucus had made nice BEFORE the primary and cleared the field for one of them, the result might have been different.

   Comment by Ron Burgundy Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:57 pm

6. When I was in fourth grade, I mixed up the state capitals of Vermont and New Hampshire on the state capitals test. I got 48/50 on the test and felt wrong too.

   Comment by Three Dimensional Checkers Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:57 pm

7. The most chilling thing about all this, is it is so far entrenched that it will not stop until we get to the point of atrocities.

   Comment by TheInvisibleMan Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:59 pm

8. I’m starting to think there’s some kind of continuum from certain forms of bad campaigns to this conspiracy theory garbage. The through-line is folks’ inability to grasp how many voters there are.

   For bad campaigns, that looks like only surrounding yourself with friends. You post on facebook, you have “events,” and generally just say the same things to the same people. Then on election day, you find that only your friends voted for you, and everyone else voted for the candidate that tried talking to every voter.

   As a candidate’s grip on reality gets more tenuous, they start to fill in that gap with deranged theories. One thing I’ve wondered often about Trump is how many voters he thinks actually voted. Does he have a ballpark guess? How close is that guess to 160,000,000? Piton seems to have the same problem. It’s not just that he thinks the results were altered to defeat him, he seems to think no one really voted at all.

   Scale is a difficult thing for people to wrap their minds around, especially narcissists who go through life not contemplating the lives of others. It’s impossible to explain to him that this really didn’t have much to do with Bobby Piton. He wouldn’t believe that 600,000+ people saw his name on a ballot, didn’t recognize it, and voted for someone else. That’s too boring and meaningless for him.

   Comment by vern Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 12:59 pm

9. Aha, the cabal of late reporting mostly Republican downstate county clerks strikes.

   Comment by Oldtimer Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:04 pm

10. Explains why the lottery is so successful.

    Have fun finding out where the ‘data takes you’, as a data professional I would point out that data can take you anywhere if you try hard enough or want it bad enough.

    This should be fun to watch and a sad reminder of how we can feel that reality is against you.

    The Kathy Salvi Election Plot would make a great podcast.

    Comment by OneMan Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:05 pm

11. Bobby got one thing right. The lack of intelligence is astounding.

    Comment by Bigtwich. Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:06 pm

12. There’s a good reason when someone feels wrong…it’s often because they are simply wrong and too recalcitrant to admit it…to themselves…just like Bobby.

    Comment by Dotnonymous Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:11 pm

13. So the gop establishment stole it for salvi. But not Irvin or Rodney. Ok.

    Comment by Plus Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:13 pm

14. Under that logic would not the Republican gubernatorial & AG races also have been rigged?!

    Ms. Hubbard is calling for Chairman Tracy and Mark Shaw to be removed. What a joke.

    Comment by Sports Stooge Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:14 pm

15. The GOP and their various allies (dark money PACs, think tanks, preachers, take your pick) have been feeding their base outlandish lies for so long, that they are constantly mired in it.

    How can a party be a functional participant in governance when they’ve trained all of their members and supporters to just reject reality and refuse to believe anything that doesn’t personally benefit them?

    Comment by Homebody Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:14 pm

16. Matt Dubiel’s comments about Costco and masking…oy vey.
    Another candidate who fell out of a tree and damaged the prefrontal cortex.

    Comment by Rudy’s teeth Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:18 pm

17. Ok just popped over to Hubbard’s Facebook and she’s blaming Mark Shaw for rigging the election. I guess losing every election he’s ever touched was all part of the master plan to get Salvi the nomination? Geez Louise.

    Comment by vern Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:19 pm

18. =you freakin idiots.=

    Exactly the way I would expect a US Senator to speak./s

    The new gop normal is- If I lose, I was cheated. If you lose it was legit.

    My kids behaved this way when they were 3. At least they grew out of it.

    Comment by JS Mill Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:20 pm

19. This dolt didn’t even win his precinct out in the 60134. I think he spent more time finding empty lots to stick his signs rather than talking to his neighbors. Or, maybe they already know what he’s all about.

    Comment by Blue to the Bone Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:23 pm

20. Losing is hard for snowflakes.

    Comment by Now What? Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:29 pm

21. Well it looks like Tammy Duckworth has met her match. It’s just a question of which one of these worthy opponents will get the honor once they sort out all of the election fraud.

    Comment by Pundent Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:29 pm

22. =oy vey.
    Another candidate who fell out of a tree and damaged the prefrontal cortex.=

    How do you know it wasn’t his medulla oblongata?/s

    Comment by JS Mill Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:36 pm

23. Somebody give Hubbard and Piton their participation ribbons and see if that shuts them up.

    Comment by SAP Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:40 pm

24. From the Preactive Investments website:

    “As a Quantamental Portfolio Manager, Bobby has read well in excess of a million pages over his career and has extensively studied physics, quantum mechanics, mathematics, economics, trading, portfolio construction, model development, asset valuation, and alpha generation to develop and refine his methodology.“

    And yet…

    Perhaps his study of physics and quantum mechanics have caused him to live in this alternative universe. One thing I know for sure is that I would not hire him to manage my money.

    Comment by Anonsense Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 1:40 pm

25. When Trump is no longer in the picture, where is the Republican Party going to be long term? As a Republican, I sure hope that it is a total wreck, otherwise knowing that none of this has consequences is very disheartening.

    Comment by Lurker Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 2:32 pm

26. Piton has thousands of signs still up in parkways and public spaces — he must have won

    Comment by walker Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 2:51 pm

27. All the more reason to reform voting such that third parties have a fair chance - something like approval voting or ranked choice. That will give the center-right folks the ability to form a new, saner party that won’t provide a home to such wacked out thinking.

    Comment by Techie Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 2:57 pm

28. I guess this is the new norm to some. If you don’t like the outcome, even if it’s a primary, claim that the election was stolen. It’s one of the reasons why we need things like the Select Committee. To show that this kind of nonsense won’t be rewarded and if taken to an extreme can, and hopefully would be, met with legal consequences.

    Comment by Pundent Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 3:09 pm

29. Maybe Sullivan and Irvin should form a coalition to question how Bailey got 57 percent of the vote. After all Irvin was ahead in a couple of polls back just a few weeks ago and everyone could see that Sullivan was surging. Democrats clearly had something to do with it. Probably those smart thermostats imported from China and controlled by Italian satellites were used to change vote counts. There should be an investigation.

    Comment by MoralMinority Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 3:13 pm

30. I’m convinced that teaching the geography of Illinois should be required in public schools.

    I mentioned to a Hubbard supporter that my neighborhood of less than 2 square miles has the same population as the 11 smallest counties in the state which have an area of about 3000 square miles. She could not wrap her head around the concept of population density in the Chicago area.

    Comment by SIUEalum Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 3:17 pm

31. “The new gop normal is- If I lose, I was cheated. If you lose it was legit.”
    Claim everything, concede nothing, and if defeated, allege fraud. -Tammany Hall maxim

    Comment by Proud Papa Bear Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 3:22 pm

32. = Costco told him to wear a mask and it made him “feel wrong.” =

    Aw, poor baby.

    Comment by JoanP Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 3:26 pm

33. Piton should start picking up all of his signs…..

    Comment by Big Tent Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 3:40 pm

34. If there’s one thing Matt Dubiel knows, it’s failure. No need to restrict that to the political sphere.

    Comment by Roadrager Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 3:41 pm

35. It’s not off track. It’s an embarrassment now. I would technically classify myself as independent now. At least in Colorado, their Repubs got it right and supported candidates who don’t subscribe to the conspiracy theories of rigged elections and that all should hail Cheeto. Seeing Bailey and Miller win their races just put a few more nails into a coffin that’s probably well past sealed. What’s sadder to see is how many disillusioned people still SUPPORT these people and these insane beliefs.

    Comment by Just a guy Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 3:45 pm

36. This poor woman is evidently clinically insane AND/OR does not understand basic electoral arithmetic.

    Comment by Rufus T. Firefly Friday, Jul 1, 22 @ 4:13 pm

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