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* If a special session on gun laws and gun violence is called, what should the topics be?…

2/2 We must call a special session to address crime on our streets. We need to demand law and order and prosecute criminals. We need more police on our streets to keep our families safe. Public safety must be a top priority. #twill

— Darren Bailey for Governor (@DarrenBaileyIL) July 4, 2022

posted by Rich Miller
Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 12:28 pm

Comments

Disarming farmers so they don’t shoot themselves in the foot.

Comment by Surly Dan Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 12:32 pm
Finding out the proper ratio of guns/cops per person that will finally make Darren happy.

Comment by Jocko Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 12:35 pm
I don’t get it, Bailey seems to be the poster child of using guns as the first tool in his tool box labeled conflict resolution, and his top priority is public safety?

Comment by Cable Line Beer Gardener Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 12:36 pm
Number 1 topic: corruption and criminals in the national GOP
Probably not.
Madigan most likely.

Comment by Bruce( no not him) Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 12:39 pm
Disarming farmers so they can’t shoot piles of paper and litter the ground in silly and meaningless campaign ads.

Comment by Huh? Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 12:41 pm
There are probably some Supreme Court rulings on this (I don’t know), but take a look at raffles that give away a firearm as the prize.

Comment by In_The_Middle Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 12:42 pm
A strengthened red flag law, raising the minimum age of gun purchases. Those would be my top 2 as it relates to mass shootings.

Comment by Ducky LaMoore Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 12:44 pm
If they were serious, they would begin rolling back AR purchases for minors. Or join the USMC.

Comment by GPAC Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 12:48 pm
==Finding out the proper ratio of guns/cops per person that will finally make Darren happy.==

1:1. Everyone gets a gun and a badge at conception. Everyone gets qualified immunity.

Comment by Homebody Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 12:53 pm
As I mentioned in the other thread, ban the sale and possession of body armor by civilians. No 2nd Amendment issues with that.

Comment by G'Kar Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 12:56 pm
Guns/public safety and reproductive healthcare/ abortion. Strengthening red flag laws, banning assault weapons in Illinois, building the capacity of providers and protecting providers. Because we can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Comment by The Young Gov Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 1:04 pm
Steamlining the process for getting a FOID/CC permit. Looking at what the state can do about rising crime in this state I’m with Bailey on that. Also what can we do about prosecutors who are essentially flailing in their duties to help curb crime. What can we do to strengthen those offices and insure they fulfill their roles as prosecutors.

Comment by Levois J Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 1:06 pm
It’s not sexy and it’ll be very unpopular in practice but we should pass a felony law for straw purchases. Make the punishment slight but disqualifying for future purchases. I’m not against a harsher punishment but a lot of the people charged are sympathetic in nature.
I’d also like to keep kids out of the system if dads arested for Felon in Possession and mom bought it for him.

Straw purchases are the leading avenue for criminal access and the Feds aren’t very good at charging a sympathetic person for a relatively minor crime in their eyes.

Comment by Mason born Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 1:07 pm
Why are those charged with violating gun laws out on bail?

Comment by Steve Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 1:26 pm
Requiring insurance for every handgun and rifle.
If we have it for cars we can have it for guns.

Comment by Honeybear Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 1:29 pm
To me a ban on high capacity magazines should be pretty high up on the list. No civilian needs the capability to have a magazine that holds more than about 10 rounds in it.

Comment by Demoralized Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 1:32 pm
It’s great that Darren wants to have a special session. That’s the easy ask. Now what exactly is he proposing to address “crime on our streets” or the rampant hellholes that have suffered from outrageous gun violence…ya know…like Highland Park - one of the safest communities in the country.

Comment by New Day Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 1:37 pm
this is my first comment on this event, but after Highland Park, I’ve just given up. I spent hours and hours in lockdown on the 4th. People I’ve known for 30 years were shot. Nothing will ever change, because the GOP and the Supreme Court want everyone to be armed. So I just have to accept that ever day when I send my children to school, they may not come home. Every day when I go to the grocery store, I may die in the snack aisle. That’s just reality, and nothing I can do can change it, because it doesn’t matter what the facts are, what the data is, or what the people want. The Supreme Court and the GOP wants guns and mass shootings, so that’s what we have.

In fact, my 5-year-old was caught in a lockdown on her way to summer camp today, in a gun situation that did NOT turn into a mass shooting, but only a suicide.

But I don’t care what they do in a special session. None of it matters, and a big reason none of it matters is that people like Darren Bailey flatly do not care if my children come home from camp alive, as long as they get to play with guns.

You win. I give up. Someone’s going to shoot me dead, and there’s not a thing I can do about it. One day one of my children isn’t going to come home, and that’s just life in America. I can’t do anything to change it.

Comment by Suburban Mom Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 1:37 pm
1. Magazine size limit. There’s no legitimate civilian purpose that requires more than ten shots without reloading.
2. Assault weapons ban, as we talked about at length in the other thread.
3. Raising gun purchasing age limits to 25.
4. FOID cleanup related to issues discovered from the Highland Park case: ending parental sign-off, better incident information-sharing between locals and ISP, and whatever threat analysis options we can think of that have a chance of passing supreme court muster.
5. Anything we can think of to increase the cost of guns and ammunition. Taxes, fees, licensing, quality inspections, insurance requirements. Kitchen sink approach to reduce demand.

Comment by vern Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 1:40 pm
So beetle, what’s your plan? Do you have draft legislation to offer? So far all we have heard from you is some bleating about safety, police, and crime. Cause what might work in xenia, sure won’t work in Chicago.

Comment by Huh? Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 1:45 pm
== No civilian needs the capability to have a magazine that holds more than about 10 rounds in it. ==

One of my rifles came standard with a 15 shot magazine.

Two of my pistols, which includes one made in the early 1950’s, came with 17 or greater magazines. So called high capacity magazines are normal / in common use.

Maybe the problem is something else? Something that might have a social or media root?

Comment by RNUG Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 1:48 pm
==So called high capacity magazines are normal / in common use.==

So what? Doesn’t mean they have to be.

==Maybe the problem is something else?==

Of course there are other factors. But to pretend that guns aren’t one of those factors is absurd. There are legitimate, reasonable steps that can be taken. Preventing someone from being able to utilize a magazine that can hold dozens of rounds at a time should be something everyone can agree on. Apparently not. And that’s just sad.

Comment by Demoralized Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 1:56 pm
At times people think in Illinois the Democratic supermajority General Assembly along with the Governor can just snap their fingers and make things happen. The post SCOTUS New York ruling as it pertains to gun laws in Illinois is a new ball game. It is just a matter of time before the lawsuits fly to dismantle some of the existing gun laws in this state.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-843_7j80.pdf

Comment by Constitutional Watcher Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 2:06 pm
Bailey needs more cops to deal with the effects of the guns he promotes…nonsensically, typically and predictably… a trifecta of willful ignorance.

Comment by Dotnonymous Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 2:09 pm
Waiting for Candidate Bailey’s rally in Edgefield Park. Where is everyone? Oh, that’s right. Edgefield Park does not exist.

Complex problems require collaboration yet Candidate Bailey spouts empty words from an empty head.

Comment by Rudy’s teeth Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 2:14 pm
Ask the National Shooting Sports Foundation to testify on why the gun manufacturing industry is unwilling or unable to help stop the illegal trade of guns. They claim that after the initial “legal” sale of a gun, they can’t be held responsible for the next sale. So then, hold them responsible.

Comment by Suburbanon Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 2:16 pm
=Requiring insurance for every handgun and rifle.
If we have it for cars we can have it for guns=

Currently, there is no gun registry in Illinois - in fact, it is illegal. So the millions of firearms already in circulation are not “searchable” like vehicle registration. If insurance were only required on new firearms, seem like a due process claim.

Comment by Donnie Elgin Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 2:16 pm
limit FOID & CCL to “law abiding” people by having them certify under penalty of perjury they have not violated any state/federal law in the past 5 years

Comment by pc Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 2:20 pm
My sympathies to Suburban Mom. I am truly sorry you had to/are going through this.

Comment by Vote Quimby Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 2:24 pm
Mr Bailey is correct here. What he advocates would be fine start. More policing, prosecution, and prison time would be an excellent start. And you folks making the “no one needs” argument are wasting your breath, just like the folks who advocate cutting pensions.

Comment by Captain Obvious Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 2:27 pm
Bailey wants more police (more government spending) even though many are leaving the profession. He wants to arrest, prosecute and imprison more criminals (more government spending). Where is this revenue going to come from? (And don’t say ‘reduce waste and fraud.’)

To the post: gun advocates are now saying the problem is mental health. How about imposing an annual tax for each gun, with those funds being used to improve mental health and screenings?

Comment by Vote Quimby Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 2:28 pm
>>>>>ban the sale and possession of body armor by civilians. No 2nd Amendment issues with that.

Armor is itself derived from arms, it has the same Latin and French root words as arms. Armor is protected under the second amendment.

Comment by We've never had one before Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 2:50 pm
Look at the siting regulations and noise ordinances for outdoor gun ranges thru out IL. The quality of living and property values have been ruined for many homeowners where local control has allowed ranges to move into and too closely to residential areas. The weapons of war have created a cacophony of war in way too many parts of the country. Outdoor gun ranges do not make good neighbors. Seems like preacher Bailey should be sympathetic to the peace and quiet lovers, or maybe not.

Comment by vole Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 2:56 pm
==has the same Latin and French root words as arms. Armor is protected under the second amendment.==
Was the Constitution written in those languages?

With your focus on words, do you happen to know what the first four words to the second amendment are?

Comment by Vote Quimby Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 2:59 pm
Mandatory 25 years no parole for felonies committed while using a handgun.

Comment by Blue Dog Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 3:10 pm
=== it has the same Latin and French root words as arms ===

Per a little googling, that Old French root word also grew into “arthroscopy” and “armoire.” Extrapolate at will, I guess.

Comment by vern Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 3:12 pm
What about crime in places besides the streets? You know, schools, churches, grocery stores, US Capitol?

Comment by Sir Reel Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 3:21 pm
Time to admit SCOTUS will not uphold bans; they just sent back a Maryland rifle ban as unconstitutional, and told the lower court to try again based on strict scrutiny, a much higher legal standard than used originally. Time to lock up violent felons, no bail if felony committed by someone with prior violent felonies including guns used or displayed in crime, full sentences served for ANY felony where a firearm was used or displayed even without a shot being fired. The Feds can lock up these felons, but Illinois….yeah, about that…

Comment by thisjustinagain Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 3:24 pm
Confiscate all full-auto firearms from police in Illinois, leave them strictly for the military. Remove all military equipment from local police departments, like armored cars.

Comment by Elmer Keith Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 3:29 pm
>>>>>do you happen to know what the first four words to the second amendment are?

“A well regulated militia” - do you know what that means?

Comment by We've never had one before Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 3:34 pm
Actually, I’d focus on the first 13, not just the first four:

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…”

And if you think this is just meaningless, I’d encourage you to read Sean Casten’s thread on the history of the term militia in the 18th century. Maybe Mr. “Latin and French Roots” can take a look and learn something important.

https://twitter.com/SeanCasten/status/1544312692202143744

Comment by New Day Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 3:39 pm
Rnug got it right

Demoralized if they take ur advice the state will be paying my lawyers grandkids tuition to Harvard in the fees we win in cases

Comment by Todd Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 3:48 pm
Hey quimby maybe you should keep up

Held:

1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.

(a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.

Comment by Todd Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 4:00 pm
1. Craft a last minute bill to close the Sparta Shooting Complex.
2. Take it to the floor.
3. Eat lots of popcorn.

Comment by Kayak Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 4:06 pm
Hey Todd maybe you should realize that I was answering another commenter who was referencing ancient root words so bite me

Comment by Vote Quimby Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 4:08 pm
Quimby i saw that and responded to ur question you guys keep asking it and it was answered in 2008

Comment by Todd Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 4:12 pm
==was answered in 2008==

Precedents can be reversed, I hear…

Comment by Vote Quimby Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 4:13 pm
Thanks New Day. Casten’s thread is well written and researched. ‘Well regulated’ does not equal ‘in good condition’. There was no ambiguity in 1787. In developed areas, militia arms were kept in the local armory i.e. the places the British regulars were headed for in Concord and Lexington on April 19, 1775.

We have lost that meaning with the current Court. As Quimby has noted, precedents can be reversed.

Comment by Proud Sucker Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 4:42 pm
==Demoralized if they take ur advice the state will be paying my lawyers grandkids tuition to Harvard in the fees we win in cases==

You know, I’ve not heard you say one word - not one - about the mass shooting. You sicken me.

Comment by Demoralized Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 4:49 pm
I agree, the 2As sure love their precedents, until they don’t. If this activist SCOTUS has taught us anything, everything is open for re-interpretation. Just wait til it’s no longer the right wing court. If we really wanted to go down that road, Marbury v. Madison isn’t in the originalist Constitution, just sayin…

As for the question, any special session should address issues raised in the Highland Park shooting and the violence experienced on a daily basis throughout the State.

Comment by MyTwoCents Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 4:56 pm
“You sicken me” I remember when the gun huggers on here had the pretense of supporting safety and responsible gun ownership. No longer. They openly celebrate second amendment “heroes” who blow people away at a family parade.

Comment by MickJ Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 5:11 pm
Bailey claims he wants more cops but voted no on a state budget that increased funding for more state cops, increased funding for local law enforcement training, and increased funding for grants for local communities for law enforcement equipment. He voted no. He had a chance. Multiple chances. He voted no on the budget, voted no on the budget implementation bill, voted no. He doesn’t want answers, he wants a sound bite.

Comment by Saluki with a Job Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 5:20 pm
quimby — “Precedents can be reversed, I hear…”

I heard that too, after 50 years. . .

Demoralized — You and other want to blame 2.3 million Illinois gun owners for something they didn’t do. And I won’t accept the blame for it either.

I wrote the straw purchase law here in Illinois. When Jim Ryan asked for a way to stop phony FOID cards I gave him the language on using drivers licenses and State IDs for verification. There are a bunch of others I wrote or worked on over 30 years. I will not write a further restriction on our rights. every good faith attempt at things has been twisted and subverted, so the good will is gone.

in 2019 the State Police screwed the pooch on the Aurora shooter. here they screwed the pooch on this guy. So the issue is a state agency woefully bad at their job. Hmm inside of 12 months they dropped the ball on two mass shooters. You wanna focus on mass shooting start there.

You guys wanna keep trying to pair a right back to a governmental doled out privilege, then we are going to fight with all the vigor Rep Cassidy has on those issues important to her.

Comment by Todd Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 6:06 pm
How many cops does Bailey want to add? Where does he want to add them? How will he go about recruiting these new officers? How will he suggest we pay for them (revenue stream)?

If can answer that from his detailed plan (I am sure he has one easy to go right?) complete with numbers and timelines.

Then we should have the special session.
If not he can go run and excavator with constitutional law expert @Todd.

Comment by JS Mill Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 7:47 pm
Con Law is Todd’s side hustle.

Comment by 47th Ward Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 7:53 pm
=in 2019 the State Police screwed the pooch on the Aurora shooter. here they screwed the pooch on this guy. So the issue is a state agency woefully bad at their job. Hmm inside of 12 months they dropped the ball on two mass shooters. You wanna focus on mass shooting start there.=

The good news is that your math, recall, and legal skills are equally bad.

But you seem like a neat guy otherwise.

Comment by JS Mill Monday, Jul 11, 22 @ 10:09 pm
Js — i called heller correctly

Helped on diggins and won that at the state supreme court. Won the gun shop case against chicago the mag ban against deefield. Won The carry ban in shepard beat the city on Horton for uuw list, beat the city on lawson over sks rifles

my brief on preemption was the first question asked by justice freeman in wilson and my statute on granting relief was found constitutionall more than once by the state supreme court beating thw AG ISP and DOJ

If you have a recordon this subject matter you can match please post it

Comment by Todd Tuesday, Jul 12, 22 @ 9:56 am
=i called heller correctly=

Yeah? That isn’t what I was talking about. Reading is fundamental.

Comment by JS Mill Tuesday, Jul 12, 22 @ 10:57 am

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