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AG Raoul’s Catholic clergy report coverage roundup

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posted by Isabel Miller
Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 12:33 pm

Comments

  1. Pedophilia is a mental disorder. That doesn’t excuse the behavior of the pedophile clergy but provides some context. In my mind, the intentional covering up and indignant attitude by Catholic leadership is even more egregious. I do not understand how anyone could continue taking moral or spiritual guidance from the Church. They put financial considerations above the health and safety of their flock. As someone commented yesterday, the Catholic Church should no longer be looked to as a moral compass for anything.

    Comment by Cubs in '16 Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 12:52 pm

  2. In January, 2003, Paprocki was appointed auxiliary bishop in the Archdiocese of Chicago. During this time Dan McCormack was suspected of abusing boys at St. Agatha in Chicago.

    Why did Paprocki not take steps to remove Dan McCormack when Paprocki was aware of McCormack’s predilections? As Paprocki knew of these behaviors, he is equally responsible for the damage caused to these young boys.

    When will Paprocki be held responsible for his lack of action?

    Comment by Rudy’s teeth Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 1:08 pm

  3. “Pedophilia is a mental disorder”

    It well may be that, but it is first and foremost a despicably criminal act. Abuse of children by priests who are in positions of trust and power over their victims should be charged tried, and locked up for a long time.

    Comment by Donnie Elgin Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 1:10 pm

  4. It would be interesting to know whether pedophiles knew that the Catholic Church was a safe haven for them or whether the unnatural forced celibacy of the clergy caused them to look for outlets where they could keep their noncompliance with the rule quieter.

    Comment by Big Dipper Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 1:16 pm

  5. ==Why did Paprocki not take steps to remove Dan McCormack when Paprocki was aware of McCormack’s predilection==

    As an Auxiliary Bishop Paprocki lacked the canonical function remove priests from the ministry per Canon Law 1740 that decision rests solely with the Diocesan Bishop, in this the Archbishop of Chicago.

    Comment by Mr. Morris Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 1:30 pm

  6. I mentioned most of this on another thread but Channel 5 in Chicago did all of about 90 seconds about it and did reference the report mentioning an improvement in the Chicago archdiocese.

    Comment by OneMan Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 1:42 pm

  7. As bad as this is, and it is incredibly bad. It’s still much much worse. This report only looked at priests. It didn’t look at anyone else within the church or any credible accusations against them.

    As I pointed out yesterday, there was a teacher here in the Joliet Diocese(Jeremy Hylka - google it) who was finally caught. Prior to that, there were DOZENS of reports by 20 young men in the latest group, to try to come forward and get justice for what had been done to them. He’s far from the only one in the diocese doing these things to children, but without any charges or convictions for them yet, I’m not going to mention any of their names directly. None of them are mentioned in these investigations.

    The group of young men went to the State’s Attorney, Jim Glasgow, who did nothing but bury it. The Diocese started threatening the woman who was reaching out and organizing all these young men to come forward. (search Jeremy Hylka on the twitter, and you will see those threads)

    He was eventually caught by an outside vigilante group, not the local authorities, and convicted in court - but was given probation by the Will County court system. Without that vigilante group Glasgow would have been able to protect another abuser in the church.

    All of this happened in the years 2020-2023. This isn’t a ‘thing of the past’ as the Joliet Diocese has repeatedly tried to claim to attempt to diminish any current responsibility on them.

    The problem is much worse than just priests. The report touched on the main issue, and it is deeply systemic in the church. The church will by default protect the church and its reputation over everything and everyone else. It doesn’t matter even a little bit to them if that means threatening people in the community they claim to be serving to stay silent. The church will lie right to your face that they are changing, but their actions continually and repeatedly betray their true intent.

    If I remember the minutia of Illinois law correctly, the state AG can’t even do anything about this without first asking the county SA if the AG office can proceed. After seeing Glasgow torpedo cases against the diocese for years, frankly Glasgow will be lucky to get out of his current term without being swept up in this situation in a significant way.

    Comment by TheInvisibleMan Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 1:42 pm

  8. Perhaps Paprocki should have shared his concerns with the Archbishop of Chicago regarding the safety and security of children at St. Agatha’s parish.

    It is not my job is not an excuse for this egregious behavior.

    Comment by Rudy’s teeth Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 1:54 pm

  9. How many more rounds of this will it take before the church is RICOed?

    Comment by j Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 1:56 pm

  10. ==- Rudy’s teeth - Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 1:08 pm:==

    I mean, Paprocki currently has a whole section on the Springfield diocese website about how actually sexual abuse in the church is not a problem, it’s actually only a problem everywhere else. The guy is a very bad egg.

    https://dio.org/promise/ (scroll to the bottom)

    Comment by Google Is Your Friend Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 1:58 pm

  11. Paprocki claims to be a shepherd of souls. I don’t know of any Shepard who knows about a wolf in his fold and just lets it stay… And tells the sheep “it’s all good, don’t worry”.

    Comment by Give Us Barabbas Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 1:59 pm

  12. What I have never understood is how a diocese can go bankrupt to avoid civil judgments. It would seem to me that the Church is the Church and should be ultimately liable for any of its parts

    Comment by DuPage Saint Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 2:07 pm

  13. It will be difficult for anyone to put money in the collection basket, to send their children to school (which costs money), to rely on spiritual comfort from clergy in that church. Yes, I know, not all whatever in the church, but increasingly the fish rots from the head, and the tail, and the body, most sadly the body.

    Comment by Amalia Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 2:13 pm

  14. –It would seem to me that the Church is the Church–

    Take a look at your local counties assessors office and tax rolls. You will start to see how they structure their organization and finances. There’s more to it, but you will start to get a picture by starting there. It’s deliberate - to avoid the very liability you speak of. Even they know they are guilty.

    Comment by TheInvisibleMan Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 2:19 pm

  15. The Catholic Church has consistently prioritized itself over its victims. They have refused to make any changes until required to do so by outside forces.

    10 years ago I was coaching my son’s 6th grade basketball team at his Catholic school. Before the season, all of the coaches had to attend a 3 hour training one Saturday morning on how to recognize and combat child sexual abuse. The moderator played a video that had actors playing out various scenes. One scene involved a teacher being inappropriate with a child. The next scene involved a coach being inappropriate with a child. The 3rd scene involved a parent being inappropriate with someone else’s child. After each scene, the video would cut away to a kindly old priest, indentifying the troubling examples that each of the predators exhibited in the scenes we just saw.

    After the video the moderator asked for our thoughts. I raised my hand and said essentially, “why is the church focused on coaches/teachers/other parents being the threats to our kids. We all know why the archdiocese is making us sit through this training - it’s not because teachers/coaches/parents are a threat to our kids. And it offends me that the church would respond to their self created crises by making us parents have to go through “training”, especially one where the priests are portrayed as the heroes.”

    There was a heavy pause where entire room was silent, and then the moderator finally fumbled out a response like “that’s an interesting perspective, I will mention it back at the office”.

    On yesterday’s list there was a priest from my grade school parish, a priest from my high school, and a priest from my kids’ grade school parish.

    Having “company men” like Paprocki still in power illustrates how the church is still not taking this seriously.

    Comment by Henry Francis Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 2:42 pm

  16. Church leaders still consider these crimes as “sins.” These criminal priests confess their sins, say some Hail Mary’s, and all is good. A corrupt organization.

    Comment by Sir Reel Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 2:56 pm

  17. Henry Francis—-
    The three hour training mentioned in your comment is Virtus Training.

    When I was hired to teach at a school nearJackson/Laramie (a Jesuit institution), I asked for a waiver. I explained that I will not accept the teaching position if I am required to take the training.

    The school provided a waiver from training after I mentioned my experience with the pedophile Dan McCormack after teaching at another school in Chicago.

    Comment by Rudy’s teeth Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 3:08 pm

  18. Thanks for reminding me of the name Rudy.

    Iirc - Virtus was essentially the Catholic Church’s self insurance fund that they created to pay of all of the settlements, so these trainings were because of the Church’s insurance requirements.

    And to prove the Church’s primary focus is protecting the kids, they made sure to register as trademarks “Virtus” and “Protecting God’s Children”. smh

    Comment by Henry Francis Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 3:22 pm

  19. How many children passed through Catholic liturgies, Sunday Schools, parochial schools and camps in the last seventy years (the scope of this study)? Over three generations of a 12 million state that is more than a quarter Catholic would point to about nine million.

    And of that number, after this full dredging, we get “at least 1,997 children” sexually accosted to whatever degree. Too many, to be sure. But about 0.02%

    It seems that other institutions may be less well behaved than the unified and constant target that is the Church.

    Comment by O'Veraught Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 3:27 pm

  20. Yes it seems that many do not trust or like the catholic Church. The only thing I can say is that it is a Church full of sinners. I suspect most churches fall in this catagory of sinners but it does not excuse the grave problem.

    Comment by clec dcn Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 3:28 pm

  21. ===It seems that other institutions===

    Yeah. Go with misdirection. That’ll work.

    Comment by Rich Miller Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 3:29 pm

  22. If you’re “whatabouting” child sex abuse…

    Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 3:33 pm

  23. If you’re going to frame 1,997 as a relatively small number consider this. Only a small percentage of victims report abuse. When the perpetrator is clergy or some other authority figure, the percentage is even smaller. Even if the percentage were relatively small, that doesn’t address the Church’s willful deceit and lack of character in covering it up.

    Comment by Cubs in '16 Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 3:47 pm

  24. The report shows that the administration of the Catholic Church in IL was at least an accessory to this behavior because they knew it was happening and hid it. They transferred the guilty so that the crime spree could continue. They victim-shamed the victims. They operated above the law because they thought they could.

    Comment by Appears Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 3:49 pm

  25. Big Dipper…I previously have given a lot of thought to your question, and to me the only answer is that when you tell people that their natural human emotions are inherently sinful, that conflict potentially causes psychological problems when the individual cannot live up to unrealistically high church expectations. In priests and brothers, being especially pious, that failure hits doubly hard, and the repressed emotions leak out in unacceptable ways. The fault is inherent in the teaching and dogma, and no amount of training will end it.

    Comment by Jibba Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 3:50 pm

  26. –But about 0.02%–

    And now we see why the massive under-reporting of abuse was so important for the church. I’m somewhat amazed it took the apologists so long to find this blog. They always sound exactly the same when they go into damage control mode.

    You are commenting on a story that is showing the church lied about this deliberately, and had a policy of underreporting and covering up.

    These apologist attempts that may have worked in years past, no longer work.

    In retail, the metrics are that for every one customer you hear a complaint from, there are 9 others who won’t even bother. That’s just how humans behave in large groups. And that’s without an attempt to cover anything up.

    Multiply your ‘at last 1997′ by 20 on the low bound, and 40 on the high bound to get a proper range. Then, for your total population remember the church changed its rules to prevent people from leaving as a member. Like me - The church counts me as a member even though I would rather get a root canal than ever set foot on one of their properties, much less in one of their buildings. They decided I was a lifetime member of their club when I was a minor.

    The church isn’t very good at data analysis, and as evidence has piled up over the past 2 decades, they have run out of room to hide. I’m kind of glad they don’t understand the tide has turned, as the apologists are now going to be seen for what they are by a majority of people. So yes, please keep trying to minimize this. Tell as many people as you can, what you just tried to do here, to their faces preferably.

    Comment by TheInvisibleMan Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 4:06 pm

  27. I don’t trust the church to conduct their own investigations.
    https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/18/us/father-michael-pfleger-chicago/index.html

    Comment by DuPage Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 5:03 pm

  28. - It seems that other institutions -

    When you think you’re speaking down to a gullible audience…but then get caught trying to pull a sneaky switch…heh.

    Comment by Dotnonymous x Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 6:49 pm

  29. Paprocki could have stood up on the steps of his church any Sunday and told the gathering people the names of the child molesting priests he knew, and begged them keep their children away from these criminals. He didn’t. If he had spoken up he would not be Bishop today.

    Comment by Jim Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 8:10 pm

  30. There was one preist i knew at my parish years ago on the list. He should be held liable. That said, I’m also not going to forget all the good works by good religious I’ve also known over the years.

    Comment by low level Wednesday, May 24, 23 @ 8:41 pm

  31. RIP Barbara Blaine.

    Comment by Cosgrove Friday, May 26, 23 @ 8:24 am

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