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* We’ve been hearing about this little-known rule which could be used to oust Gov. Blagojevich…

If Blagojevich does not resign or is not impeached, Attorney General Lisa Madigan says she’s prepared to move ahead under state Supreme Court Rule 382 — which allows someone to file a request for the Supreme Court to conduct a hearing to determine if the governor has the ability to serve or resume office.

* Here’s the rule…

Rule 382. Original Actions in the Supreme Court Pursuant to Article IV, Section 3, and Article V, Section 6(d), of the Constitution

(a) Institution of proceedings. Proceedings in the Supreme Court when the court has original and exclusive jurisdiction under article IV, section 3, and article V, section 6(d), of the Constitution, which relate to redistricting of the General Assembly and to the ability of the Governor to serve or resume office, shall be instituted by filing a motion for leave to file a complaint, which motion shall be accompanied by the complaint and a brief in support of the motion. The complaint may be supported by affidavits or other pertinent documents.

* This is the relevant passage from the Illinois Constitution…

The General Assembly by law shall specify by whom and by what procedures the ability of the Governor to serve or to resume office may be questioned and determined. The Supreme Court shall have original and exclusive jurisdiction to review such a law and any such determination and, in the absence of such a law, shall make the determination under such rules as it may adopt.

* Procedures…

…The court may dispose of the case on the papers filed or may order further briefing or may order oral argument on the motion for leave to file or on the complaint or on the pleadings or on the pleadings supplemented by pertinent documentary evidence, or may call for additional evidence and for briefs and argument after such evidence has been received. If the court determines that disputed issues of material fact must be resolved on the basis of oral testimony, it may appoint a judge or retired judge of any Illinois court to take testimony and to report his findings of fact and recommendations to the Supreme Court.

* From “Committee comments” of July 1, 1971…

The defendant need take no action until the Supreme Court indicates what is appropriate. If the court deems the complaint obviously insufficient on its face, it may dispose of the case without calling the defendant to do anything. It may request the defendant to file either an answer to the complaint or a brief, in part depending on whether factual issues are presented. Because of the constitutional prohibition against “fee officers in the judicial system” (art. VI, §14), the evidence must be taken by an active or retired judge, who will be already receiving a State salary, rather than by a master.

* So, is the governor fit for office? Mark Brown is not alone with this assessment…

Rod Blagojevich’s defense lawyers might want to consider an insanity defense.

The federal government’s secret tape recordings of the governor’s scheming during the past two months confirm what a lot of people have been saying about him for a long time now.

He’s utterly mad. Completely and totally off his rocker.

And here’s where it might actually work as a legal defense: He’s incapable of distinguishing between right and wrong.

* Jim Edgar seems to agree…

“It just amazes me that he would continue to try to do these things. You just wonder, I mean, you heard some talking about the arrogance, or if there’s just something wrong with him.”

* More background…

The state Constitution doesn’t explicitly indicate an officeholder can be ousted by the court or by impeachment if that person faces criminal charges. Instead, the Constitution uses terms such as “failure to qualify” or “disability” in laying out causes to impeach someone.

In other words, the Court could decide if he fails to qualify to hold office or is disabled.

But, to me, that’s the chicken way out. The General Assembly ought to do its job. More on that in a bit.

posted by Rich Miller
Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:13 am

Comments

I’d hate to see this path taken. Resign, impeach, but he’s no more mad than many including the many who knew better yet endorsed him for reelection.

Comment by Bill Baar Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:18 am
Mark Brown is right—he’s off his rocker. Those exact words used this morning by Chuck Todd on the Today Show. NBC legal analyst Dan Abrams: ‘Dumber than OJ” Who cares how they rid us of him, as long as they do it. There is no “chicken” way out—–as long as the members of the other two branches see their responsibility and work towards his successful removal, the system is working. Who cares how it’s accomplished?

Comment by anon24 Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:20 am
Rule 382 was obviously designed for situations in which a governor was physically or medically incapable of carrying out his/her office due to injury or disease (e.g. a stroke or brain trauma leaving him comatose, Alzheimers, etc.) To try to apply it to a situation of stupidity or venality — as much as we might like to — is a bit of a stretch.

Comment by Secret Square Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:23 am
You never fail to amaze Rich.

So if this is a legal proceding….could Blagojevich the appeal the decision of the Court? hrmpf.

I agree, this is the messy, chicken way….but in the end it may be the only way.

Comment by The Supremes Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:23 am
Absolutely Secret Square… it’s desperation to get rid of him.

The Illinois Constitution has a process. Illinois needs to follow it.

Comment by Bill Baar Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:27 am
When I was downtown yesterday, three words came up again and again in conversation: Stupid, Arrogant and Crazy.

Jim Edgar said on the radio this morning that “there might be something wrong with him.” Don Rose said the same thing in the paper.

I don’t know the guy. And I’m no shrink. But his reckless actions, especially in the past few weeks, and the words caught on tape, particularly those regarding ambassadorships, cabinet positions and running for president, give one pause as to the man’s state of mind.

Or, I guess it’s possible, since he seemingly surrounded himself with sycophants and had no one in his life who could reign him in, he was just drunk with power.

Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:28 am
Though I have found many of the Governor’s actions disagreeable, as have apparently many others commenting here, offering a professional or valid opinion of the Governor’s psychological state is beyond the expertise of anyone on this blog to my knowledge. It is a form of “gratuitous insult” to question his sanity (see red warning above comment box), and should not be suffered here. Let’s keep to the facts as we know them and comment accordingly. Thanks for your indulgence.

Comment by Captain Flume Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:29 am
This isn’t the way. What impedes Blago from performing the functions of his office? he’s an idiot, and an unpopular one. But that’s been true for years. A mere criminal charge can’t be the key — he’s innocent until proven guilty, and if a charge were enough every US attorney/State’s attorney would be able to unseat any governor with one affidavit. Good cases make bad law. you don’t want to establish the precedent that the Court can unseat a governor just because he’s deeply unpopular.

Comment by Muskrat Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:30 am
I was wondering when Jim Edgar, the MSI Governor, would be in front of the cameras again feigning shock at Illinois’ pay-to-play politics.

As expected, didn’t take long.

Comment by GOP'er Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:30 am
I am reminded of Gary Larson’s “The Far Side”: There is a man on the couch in the psychiatrist’s office. We see the full text of what the doctor has written on his memo pad: “Just plain nuts!”

Comment by anon24 Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:32 am
Considering that the voters and others (including people like Jim Edgar, BTW) had ample evidence of the guy’s mental state throughout his first term, and re-elected him anyway, I think the GA route is the proper one to take.

Comment by Six Degrees of Separation Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:34 am
I literally see his behavior as one of someone who is mentally ill, specifically manic. My mother has mania and I see many of the same sort of behaviors in Blagojevich. The delusions of grandeur, that he thinks he will appointed to a seat in Obama’s Cabinet, if he is appointed Senator he can avoid impeachment, etc..

I really do think he is manic, and it wouldnt surprise me if he is holed up with whoever could listen to him right now, still claiming that he will name himself to the Senate, or something irrational. It is impossible to be rational with a person suffering mania, it is probably the most frustrating aspect of the disease. They can not comprehend anything, and make rash decisions and irresponsible ones.

Comment by Son of a Manic Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:35 am
It IS the duty of the average citizen to assess the sanity of EVERYONE they have dealings with. That is the price of being human. The public needs protection from psychopaths. This is criminal insanity.

Comment by Ahem Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:35 am
Well, all I can say is I’ll start donating to a fund to do psychological profiles on all sorts of Illinois Pols. How many of these guys to we expect to evaluate as “sane”. There are pathologies a plenty among these folks. (Not to mention those of us into blogs…)

Impeach and remove him, or we’re stuck with the guy Illinois elected.

Comment by Bill Baar Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:36 am
wow, the John White photo currently on the Sun Times web site really captures the Blago mindset on those talking about him.
truly classic.

Comment by Amy Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:36 am
This post provides only two parts of the puzzle: The Constitutional provision which allocates to the GA the power to enact a law governing the grounds/methods, etc for the removal of a Governor for “ability to serve”. Is there a statute (Illinois Compiled Statutes) which provides for such a procedure? Unless there is one, there is no legal basis to proceed to the Supreme Court. Qualification, no basis unless there is one under common law, which is unlikely, at least as an effective avenue.

Rule 382 is a rule defining jurisdiction only, that is, the power and right of the Supreme Court to hear complaints arising under law authorized by the designated provision of the Constitution. Lisa Madigan’s “complaint” could be heard by the Supremes (must be heard: Rule 382 and its companion rules deprive the Circuit Courts of this jurisdiction) but would be dismissed as being unsupported by law authorizing the court to take specific action to remove the governor.

Which means, the GA can enact any provision it wishes now to expedite that process. A statute could be enacted to state that any governor indicted or charged with a felony is incapable and unqualified to continue in office. (Of course, the GA would have to override the governor’s presumed veto.) Then Madigan could bring the action.

Impeachment is the only recourse available at this time.

Comment by Conservative Republican Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:37 am
We’ve been coddling our elected officials for too long. They weren’t elected to make obvious decisions. They were elected to lead and make difficult decisions. They were elected to take risks based on what they believed to be right.

Instead we see a bunch of gutless careerists who consider their elected office as a home, not as a temporary responsibility within a democracy. They are paid enough to sit and veg while Illinois careens out of control. They wash their hands of guys like Blagojevich so that they don’t lose their velvet perches. They just don’t plain do their jobs!

We’ve had years of inaction in the General Assembly. Worse, they took advantage of the nutjob in the governor’s office by colluding with him when he filled their troughs. These elected officials have become preening royalty at a time when we needed leaders.

Lisa Madigan should do what she needs to do to remove Blagojevich. But if she uses the arguments offered so far, she should have done this in 2005 when we had enough proof. Now that it is politically safe for her to do it, now she takes a stand. She flunks just as much as so many of our other statewide and party officials.

And where in the world was the GOP? Here sits a catastrophe of a governor, yet I did not hear a Republican denouncing Blagojevich on a regular basis. No one was stepping up to tell Illinois of how deluded and crazy this governor is. No one took a stand when Blagojevich played his parlor games, his acts of retribution, or his shell game of “find the funds”.

No wonder he thought he was above it all - no one reminded him he wasn’t!

Comment by VanillaMan Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:40 am
A pathological, criminal mind does not constitute insanity. Indifference to what is right and wrong is not the same as suffering an inability to distinguish between right and wrong. I would think the Supreme Court would require a higher threshold or a different threshold as to what constitutes “ability to serve.” Mere indictment should not be definitive evidence as he is entitled to a presumption of innocence, and, as we have seen in Texas, indictments issued by hyperpartisan or abusive prosecutors for political gain not to advance the interests of justice can and do occur. Not saying that this is such an abuse, but the Supreme Court will not want to create a precedent that invites future abuse. The Supreme Court will also resist such efforts if it has the wiff of political grandstanding. An action brought against a sitting governor by a likely opponent in the next election cycle would have to have clear and convincing evidence of mental or physical incapacitation to prevail. Nobody seems sufficiently concerned that one of our other constitutional officers has occasions bouts of forgetfulness or loses his train of thought at times, to seek his ouster by judicial edict. Moving against this clown via that avenue is not the best route. I think this approach is a dead end and would be suprised if the Court is not privately conveying that anyone wishing to explore this route proceed with great restraint.

Comment by black robe Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:42 am
Rich,

I think we ALL agree that the General Assembly needs to do its job and make this happen!

So why are they waiting until Monday? Why aren’t they there today and get this moving forward ASAP!

The longer we give the governor-the more time he has to do more damage-ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!

Comment by Confused 2B Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:42 am
anon24,

It matters how things are carried out, because it determines whether or not anyone in IL gets the picture. If the legislature is still too cowardly to take an up and down vote, to make legislators state on the record whether or not Blago should be impeached, the whole Blagojevichin’ lot of them should be defeated in the next primary (since boundary lines prevent a competitive general election). Blago’s corruption is the most graphic tumor of the cancer that infects IL politics. The way legislators handle this issue (without taking opinion polls) will give us an idea how much more work Fitz has to do.

Comment by South Side Mike Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:46 am
Rule 382 strikes me as a measure that’s to be taken if a governor flees the country, has a stroke or is insane. I think it’s a real copout in this instance, and I bet the Supremes would have nothing to do with it. The GA has the means to do its clear and present duty.

Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:49 am
It occurs to me, is there a concern that there aren’t the votes to convict in the current or future Senate?

Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:50 am
This is so simple. The GA needs to meet immediately and impeach him. There’s no need for a drawn out process. The grounds are clear and there is no need for a criminal conviction - any kind of scandal that has the state holding its collective nose is sufficient. There is not much need for debate and the vote should be unanimous in both houses. So why didn’t this happen immediately? Could it be that some are afraid of what Rod might say to get some slack from the prosecutors?

Comment by Excessively rabid Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:51 am
What Secret Square said.

But there’s another important point here: it is, in fact, the constutional duty of the GA to impeach and our system of government — and the long history of impeachment dating back to England — requires that only the duly elected representative body, not the judiciary, take this action.

I agree with the 99.9% of commenters (sorry, Bill — I still support you for Senate, though!) that would like to see Blagojevich ousted post-haste. But there’s an important principle of separation of powers at stake here that would be entirely circumvented by allowing the judiciary to act on this matter.

Comment by the Other Anonymous Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:52 am
Blagojevich for president in 2016!

Comment by Macbeth Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:55 am
Black Robe took the words out of my mouth. I believe there probably is a difference legally between sociopathy and insanity. Governor Pinocchio appears to be a political sociopath.

Comment by Captain America Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:56 am
Black Robe, the governor has a history of “pathological,” irrational behavior. This is the definition of a mental problem. I do not wish to attack RRB personally; I am saying that he fits the profile and I’m sure the lawyers could line up a crowd of expert witnesses to confirm this. The lawyers for the prosecution, that is.

Comment by Ahem Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:56 am
VanillaMan, I couldn’t have said it better. This is what we get from career politicians. Ignore such egregious behaviour until if affects them politically. What a bunch of gutless losers.

Comment by Downstater Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:57 am
Can the court compel the Governor to undergo a physiological exam?

Comment by I'mTellingYou Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:58 am
I do not believe that SCR 382 should be interpreted to exclude a meglomaniacal governor from continuing to serve from office. It would set bad precedent. The impeachment route would be the best way to 86 him, unless the Feds can assert pressure by charging Mrs. Rod with a crime (conspiracy?). I don’t think he would let his wife and children dangle; they are the last friends he may have.

Comment by Jake from Elwood Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 10:59 am
Well, perhaps those citizens who strongly believe Blago should be impeached should contact their state legislators–always assuming they know who they are or how to find out.

Blago is probably weighing the resignation option
among others but if he doesn’t want to resign and sees the public as indifferent or, more importantly, the Legislature as waffling, then he’ll likely listen to those advisors who tell him to tough it out…and I’m sure there are plenty of those.

A few nesspaper headlines will not be enough to dislodge our Blago. Or galvanize the Legislature for that matter.

Comment by Cassandra Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 11:02 am
My gut is telling me something is not quite right with the Governor. Perhaps he buckled under the pressure of constant scrutiny and doomsday-foretelling and he simply acted to protect his family and his legacy.

For all the vitriolism about the governor, he is a two-term public servant, duly elected by the people of Illinois TWICE.

I, for one, am giving him the benefit of the doubt, as I did for Governor Ryan.

Comment by Black Ivy Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 11:02 am
First of all, applying this rule would set a dangerous precidence. It is either IMPEACH or Resign.

This past election, we unsuccessfully sought to have a CON CON. It was cases like this that we have holes in our Consititution. It is time to put the politics aside, stop worring about what this will do to Lisa “when she is Governor”, and GET THE GUY OUT. IMPEACH NOW.

Comment by He Makes Ryan Look Like a Saint Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 11:17 am
===Perhaps he buckled under the pressure of constant scrutiny and doomsday-foretelling and he simply acted to protect his family and his legacy.===

Yeah. Stick with that spin. Very believable.

I’ll bet Rod’s hiring. Do you want me to pass along your resume? lol

Comment by Rich Miller Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 11:17 am
The members of the GA need to act decisively and firmly on impeachment. It’s a no brainer… that is, if they want to have any credibility as state leaders and public servants. The GA needs to be responsible and to willingly take on the front door option staring them in the face - not look the other way while Blago is removed through a side window.

Comment by Keep Smiling Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 11:23 am
You have to wonder - if everyone knew (including him) that he was under investigation for the past 3 years, and if everyone knew that he was this bad (yes, we did know)why didn’t the GA do their job two years ago and file impeachment proceedings then? Perhaps some of them have much to hide?

Comment by lincolnlover Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 11:28 am
Fox is reporting Obama is calling for Rod to resign
9thru a spokesman, of course!)

Comment by Finally! Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 11:33 am
Conservative Republican: You quit reading too soon. The constitutional provision says in the absnece of a law, the Supreme Court shall make the determination (of fitness) by such rules as it may adopt. And 382 is that rule. This may not be the best way, but it is A way. All that’s needed is a complaint.

Comment by blueinaredstate Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 11:38 am
First of all, action by the Supreme Court under Rule 382 and Section 6(d) would not remove Blagojevich from the Office of Governor, merely remove his hands from the reins of power. He would still be the Governor, and presumably still be paid as such, but his powers would be exercised by the Acting Governor. It would be a temporary measure, with his potential resoration if the “disability” is removed. Only death, resignation, or impeachment can remove him from his constitutional office. Theoretically, the Assembly could still impeach him concurrently with his “disability” status.

Nor should the proper inquiry of the Court be whether he is innocent or guilty of the charges in the federal complaint, but whether the existence of the federal complaint renders him unable to honestly perform his duties as Governor in a trustworthy manner.

I would think that the potential harm to the State resulting from leaving him in control of his powers under such a cloud is an adequate disability to warrent swearing in an Acting Governor until it can all be sorted out, and it is the only avenue that can be taken quickly that deprives the Governor of the ability to use the power of the State to retaliate against potential witnesses and political enemies.

She should file now, not wait to see what her father is going to do next week.

Comment by Oberon Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 11:39 am
Mark Brown is right. An insanity plea makes sense. What is sad about this matter, is most elected officials serve honorably. But you can already hear the cry “they are all crooks”.

Comment by Loyal Whig Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 11:42 am
==No wonder he thought he was above it all - no one reminded him he wasn’t!==

We are a one-party state. We see how that same one-party mentality is now failing Chicago, failing Cook County and failling Illinois.

Regardless of your political party affiliations, we have to recognize the importance of political competition and a healthy political climate. The death of the Illinois GOP also brought this on.

If Blagojevich was challenged, he could have either hid better, or backed away. Not challenging a Democrat governor in a Democrat controlled state full of Democrat state officials also set this scene.

Another blatant failure that should be publically broadcasted is the failure of the Illinois Democrats to clean their own nests! If they want political power, they should demonstrate a way to prevent catastrophes like this. Their failure reflects on their poor judgement as well. They do not deserve to go unpunished.

Comment by VanillaMan Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 11:43 am
I am apalled that after all this, Mike Madigan is more interested in protecting Lisa, than acting in the best interest of the state. The General Assembly must act in accordance with the powers laid out in our constitution: impeachment.

Comment by FlackerBacker Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 11:50 am
No one was stepping up to tell Illinois of how deluded and crazy this governor is.

I think Jack Franks gets a pass here.

Comment by Six Degrees of Separation Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 11:53 am
He should’ve said that yesterday.

You should be giving him advice RM. You outta be Press Sec. cause someone’s giving him bum advice now.

Comment by Bill Baar Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 12:04 pm
“I’ll bet Rod’s hiring. Do you want me to pass along your resume? lol”

He is creating jobs in Illinois. You got to give him that much.

Comment by Elliot Ness Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 12:04 pm
I think a case could be made for postponing impeachment hearings until the new GA is seated — provided that in the meantime, MJM and company get all their ducks in a row and make as airtight a case as possible against the Guv. If they did this right, an impeachment hearing could be called as soon as the new GA is sworn in on Jan. 14; the entire House could approve articles of impeachment that day or the next; the Senate could hold the trial on Jan. 16 and have Blago out of office in time for everyone to get to DC for the inaugural festivities.

By the way, there’s no law that says they can’t have these hearings at night or on a weekend if necessary. If they can go all night long with a hearing on electric rates, they can do the same for this.

Comment by Secret Square Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 12:40 pm
===He is creating jobs in Illinois. You got to give him that much.===

Other than a mountain of spokespeople and Deputy Governors, what jobs?

Comment by NimROD Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 12:41 pm
There have been several legislators- democrat and republican- who have publicly chastised the Governor for his previous shenanigans. Larry Bomke certainly comes to mind along with Jack Franks, John Fritchey, and Mike Jacobs. It’s funny to see people start blaming the legislature and specifically the republicans because they somehow should have stopped the Governor or should have let people know he operates. It’s no freakin’ surprise to anyone with a palpapble pulse how he operates. The only direction that fingers should be pointed right now is the Governor. He made the calls. He arranged the deals. He will have to answer for what he did.

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===He is creating jobs in Illinois. You got to give him that much.===

Well, he is certainly keeping jobs in IL, like those of the FBI agents and federal prosecutors working the IL beat.

Comment by Six Degrees of Separation Wednesday, Dec 10, 08 @ 9:58 pm
Rich:
Your post quotes from (d) of the Ill. Constitution Art. V, sec.6, but the language of (b) is relevant too.
SECTION 6. GUBERNATORIAL SUCCESSION
(b) If the Governor is unable to serve because of death,
conviction on impeachment, failure to qualify, resignation or
other disability, the office of Governor shall be filled by
the officer next in line of succession for the remainder of
the term or until the disability is removed.

So the AG can not do this alone. The GA either has to impeach and remove the Gov. or it has to pass a law that specifies by whom and by what procedures the ability of the Governor to serve or to resume office may be questioned and determined.

Comment by Anonymous Thursday, Dec 11, 08 @ 10:38 am
I’m a retired mental health professional: Blagojevich is not legally or clinically insane; unless you include anti-social personality disorder in the category of “insanity,” and most psychiatric professionals do not. He doesn’t fit the bill, folks. Sorry ’bout that one. He’s nothing but yer everyday, common, sociopath, and not even a very bright one at that.

Comment by Mountainaires Friday, Dec 12, 08 @ 4:12 pm
i grew up in cook county in the sixties and seventies…..to me…it seems like business as usual…..so there is your hope and change…..better luck next time

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