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It turns out that Jim Oberweis is the only candidate for governor who supports corporal punishment.

Paddling students and other forms of corporal punishment were outlawed in Illinois in 1994, but Republican Jim Oberweis would consider bringing them back if elected governor.

Oberweis, a Sugar Grove dairy mogul, was the only major candidate for governor of either political party to support corporal punishment in schools in responding to a Daily Herald questionnaire. He indicated he would support it if parents and the school principal agree on the specific methods and waive liability.

My recollection is that corporal punishment was only used by teachers who were either sadists or who were too incompetent to keep control of their classes. But that’s my experience.

The question today, is Oberweis right? Why or why not?

posted by Rich Miller
Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 3:32 am

Comments

He’s not right. If parents believe that their kids need to be spanked for something they did at school, they should do it themselves and not put school administrators in the awkward position of having to beat students.

Comment by Anonymous Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 3:38 am
If kids were more behaved and respectful towards teachers, getting a proper upbringing at home, then teachers could be educators instead of baby sitters. Part of what kept children in line and well-behaved in the past was the *knowing* that if they misbehaved they could be subject to a crack on the behind with a ruler. Take away that threat and kids think they can get away with anything. And often they do.

Comment by genxpundit Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 6:07 am
Why concern yourself???? Is my question ?? With all that faces this state, real issues & problems to resurrect something “outlawed” 12 years ago. …”oh ya how are we coming on the “”All Kids Deserve a Paddling” legislation ?? If discipline of that level is warranted …. call in the parent ! I think most would agree .. don’t beat my kid !! “”Liability city”" focus man !!!

Comment by anon Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 6:33 am
My parents sent their kids to private schools and encouraged (probably) the teachers to let us have it. Saved them the wear and tear. Kind of a “It Takes a Village” thing.

It was true then and it is true now - hitn’ don’t teach nobody nutn’.

O.B Gone.

Comment by Anonymous Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 7:18 am
Paddling kids in school is so retro, it just highlights what a dinosaur Oberweis is.

As I have said, it’s too bad in some ways because he clearly would not be afraid of whipping the state bureacracy into shape, an approach that might reduce the endless layers of useless management, actually increase the people who are working the front lines, and save money for us all. And he is the only candidate who would have the guts to fix the budget.

But, because of comments and beliefs like this, he is simply too out of mainstream to be elected to anything.

Comment by Cassandra Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 7:36 am
A teacher would be nuts to take the risk of the lawsuit.

This is an example of why Oberweis not a serious candidate despite the money.

And, yes, the ethics of a teacher hitting a kid is wrong.

Comment by Bill Baar Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 7:53 am
Don’t worry, He will change his opinion once he catches some flack. His claim will be that we have misunderstood him or something along those lines.

Comment by Wumpus Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 8:58 am
Sure beats the cattle prod he uses when a poor dairy cows produce too little milk. (This is a Joke everyone.)

Comment by The Broken Heart of Rogers Park Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 9:10 am
All spanking aside, something has to be done about the behavior of all students from Kindergarten on. I urge all of you to go spend 6 hours in your child’s school. I spent so much time on discipline problems that it exceeded the amount of teaching that was going on.

You can call the parents all that you want. Still nothing gets done, because the parents are the problem. Many grandparents are trying to raise the grandkids and they aren’t able to control them either.

Think about the home life that some of these children must endure and you can understand why they act out at school. (And actually, spanking them isn’t going to improve their environment.)

Comment by shelbyville Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 9:10 am
After the kids get beaten they can take advantage of the All Kids Program for coverage. I think that Oberweis grows further and further removed from reality everyday. However, this will get him the free press he needs just as his illegal immigration and questionable use of his dairy have in the past.

Comment by Anon Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 9:23 am
No he’ll claim, like he did at the Pro-Life Form yesterday when talking about his flip-flop on abortion, that after deep prayer and consoling that he shouldn’t be afraid to go with his true belief and he’s know against corporal punishment.

Comment by Anonymous Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 9:32 am
It says
“he would support it if parents and the school principal agree on the specific methods and waive liability.”
If parents and the principal agree! What are you people talking about? He’s not saying bring it back everywhere only if the parents want it. This is real controversial it won’t matter to most of you on this site what he says you would jump on him for it.

Comment by Anonymous Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 9:38 am
It says
“he would support it if parents and the school principal agree on the specific methods and waive liability.”
If parents and the principal agree! What are you people talking about? He’s not saying bring it back everywhere only if the parents want it. This is real controversial! It would’nt matter to most of you on this site what he says you would jump on him for it.

Comment by Anonymous Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 9:39 am
Wow, I thought this issue was long dead. I’m surprised the Daily Herald even asked the question. While they’re at it, why don’t they ask candidates for Congress what they think should be done with the Federal Budget Surplus.

Comment by Anonymous Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 10:01 am
and bring back the gold standard, and abolish the federal bank; if it was good enough for Ol’ Hickory, it’s good enough for me.
Bold new leadership for the 1950s.

Comment by steve schnorf Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 10:16 am
When I went to middle school in Texas I got the pabble from the vice principle on several occasions. An ex-marien, the guy took a serioulsly sick pleasure in it. It’s an awful idea and only served to make me want to retaliate.

Comment by Bored Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 10:21 am
It may be a topic that is old and past its prime, but the fact that The Milkman responded as he did just shows that he is bound to self destruct eventually. Seriously, how do his staffers allow him to answer that question the way he did? That’s one of those freebies that should bring the obvious answer…like asking one of the Republican candidates if Blago has been good for the state.

“This is real controversial it wonâ€™t matter to most of you on this site what he says you would jump on him for it.”

No, Anon 9:38…we only jump on him when he starts talking helicopters and spankings…and anything else that would be questionable. If you don’t like the negative responses, then talk to Father Ice Cream about his policy and issues platforms…just make sure you keep asking because his position is bound to change by next week.

By the way, have you not seen the positive comments and blogs regarding Father Ice Cream on this blog? While I don’t agree with them, I at least read them and accept that there are pros and cons to every candidate.

As a side note…what are everyone’s feelings regarding JBT’s withdrawal from the debate?

Comment by the wonderboy Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 10:31 am
Regarding anon 10:01 and corporarl punishment being a “long dead” issue.

Shortly after corporal punishment was outlawed in 1994, four southern Illinois schools sought state waivers to re-instate it. Three were denied. The fourth withdrawn.

In 1998, Glenn Poshard took a similar stand in support of local schools ability to use corporal punishment, briefly propelling the issue to the forefront in that race.

Comment by anon Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 10:58 am
Wonder
It is you and Brady who talk about helicopters, Oberweis was talking about a problem that 85% of the American People agree with. It is a shame you don’t come on here and talk about the accomplishments of the Brady campaign you have to go negative. I never said a word when Brady attacked the President etc…

I also attended the pro life meeting yesterday and what everyone talked about after was how negative Brady was going after Oberweis and how nice Oberweis was to him. Brady lost alot of support by attacking another conservative.

Comment by Anonymous Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 10:59 am
anon 10:59, could you do us a favor and come up with a moniker so we can better track your comments? i have no doubt to your statements you’ve claimed, but it would be easier if we knew who you were each time.

i’m not sure anyone here is going negative on oberweis … just on his stance on the issue. there is a difference.

i think if you track wonderboy’s comments throughout the blog you’ll see several times he has talked about brady’s accomplishments. interesting, because just the other day i made some comments about oberweis’ people only coming on here to attack brady’s people, not the candidate, but his supporters. and it looks like the trend continues.

you still have not touted anything the candidate you support has done, just jumped on the wonderboy’s tongue-in-cheek comments.

and while many may agree with the immigration issue, i don’t think many would have couched it the way obe and his people did in that commercial.

you can agree with a candidate’s stance but not with their strategy … and i think this forum allows us to discuss both.

all the candidates have made slup-ups in their stances and their strategies … except maybe JBT since she seems to lack either for the most part.

Comment by YNM Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 11:20 am
First Rauschenberger wants to tell me how to let my teenagers dress, now Oberweis is encouraging me to allow their school to spank them (I guess wearing offensive t-shirts would qualify as a reason if Rauschy is Lite Guv). No wonder the moniker “The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight” fits the Republicans this year.

Come on guys, pull yourselves together and start talking real world issues or else we’re all stuck with Blago for four more years.

Comment by Bluefish Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 11:34 am
It is a simply stupid question to begin with. You don’t answer it. Anytime a reporter asks a stupid question, you respond by saying your talking points, or turning it into a joke and showing off your wit and humor.

Contrary to what he claims, Oberweis is a politician, it’s just that he just isn’t a successful one.

Comment by VanillaMan Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 11:51 am
agreed VanillaMan … although pivoting may be harder on a written questionaire, which I assume this was.

i think some of this just points to the fact that politics needs to move beyond some of these issues to some of the issues that really matter to the people of this state and nation. but maybe that’s a discussion for another day.

Comment by YNM Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 11:57 am
[insert tongue in cheek]:

just wondering … does “over-the-top-weis” have any of his dairy products in the schools? and if so, would students who chose not to purchase them be subject to the “agreed upon” corporal punishment? again, just wondering…

[remove tongue from cheek]

Comment by YNM Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 12:03 pm
Anon 10:59

First of all…the question was asked in regards to Oberweis and the entire post dealt with his comments. That being the case, I think that I should be entitled to speak about Oberweis in that setting. Besides, I’m sure that if I had touted Brady in my response you would have bashed me for not answering the question, being biased, etc…

In response to your other claims…
-If you think that Brady and I are the only ones talking about the helicopter issue, you haven’t been watching very closely. There are MANY who have taken issue with that position and continue to do so throughout the state. As for your 85% statement…can you provide some background please? No poll that I have ever seen is 85% in agreement with Oberweis’ approach to dealing with a REAL concern such as immigration laws and enforcement. The polls do show that Americans are concerned about immigration and want changes, but the breakdown as to the level of concern and desired action doesn’t show that 85% agree on any one position or solution.

-Your claim that Oberweis hasn’t said anything negative is slightly incorrect, to put it lightly. Perhaps you didn’t hear about the lunch debate two weeks ago..just to mention one example.

-At the risk of being accused that I am going negative…I do find it ironic that Oberweis was buddy-buddy at a pro-life meeting. I just doubt that I would come to the defense of a candidate who less than 5 years earlier had referred to me as “The Taliban”. Again, if you don’t like my approach, please take it up with Father Ice Cream because I shouldn’t be blamed for pointing out HIS statements.

-I have touted Brady’s policy and issues positions from day one. Please go back and review…since I always post under the same name (hint hint) you will be able to find my statements very easily.

Even above I spoke of positive statements made here about all of the candidates…which are again easy to find without much hunting. I respect those positions, but disagree with most. However, the reason that this blog is here is to allow various expressions of opinion…and as such I will be more than happy to share positives and negatives as I see them.

In closing, I will go positive for my friend VanillaMan…you are absolutely right and that is the point I was getting at above…you just don’t answer that question if possible…if unavoidable, you take the soft toss and hit it out of the park with humor or the obvious answer and move on.

Comment by the wonderboy Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 12:15 pm
Bored @ 10:21 am sounds like he should have paid more attention in school, instead of acting out to deserve the “paddle”. Maybe he could have learned to “spell” better. I think when we began to back off corporal punishment at school, that is when kids started getting less mannerly. They can do whatever they want with no action taken by the teachers. And they don’t get any action when they get home either. Parents are just “too busy” or “too laze” to reprimand their children. My granddaughter was “grounded” last weekend, but she was allowed to have friends over for SuperBowl. What is that teaching our children?

Comment by sattt4647 Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 12:33 pm
Bored @ 10:21 am sounds like he should have paid more attention in school, instead of acting out to deserve the “paddle”. Maybe he could have learned to “spell” better. I think when we began to back off corporal punishment at school, that is when kids started getting less mannerly. They can do whatever they want with no action taken by the teachers. And they don’t get any action when they get home either. Parents are just “too busy” or “too lazy” to reprimand their children. My granddaughter was “grounded” last weekend, but she was allowed to have friends over for SuperBowl. What is that teaching our children?

Comment by sattt4647 Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 12:34 pm
Spank you. Spank you very much.

New Obie campaign slogan: We’re gonna spank our opponents March 21!

Comment by Anon Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 12:38 pm
sattt4647
how ironic that your comment about his spelling errors would contain one … spelling in comments is often off, since they are quick responses with no chance at retracting or editing.

but anyway, on the issue: students can’t just do whatever they want without any action by a teacher, though the school system is limited on what it can do in regards to discipline and consequences. however, i don’t believe bringing corporal punishment back to the schools will solve anything, or improve anything for that matter.

schools are different in MANY ways, but overall they are still full of wonderful people who care about children and are well-trained to do so. and a majority of the students in schools are well-behaved and a joy to be around. let’s not let a few taint things for the many.

i don’t know any teachers or other education professionals who would support brining corporal punishment back - though there may indeed be some. and for a politician to state that we should seems to me to be a little “over the top”. what kind of experience does obe have in the education field anyway? Isn’t the FTN more a proponent of homeschooling, etc. than of public education?

Comment by YNM Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 12:40 pm
The Brady folks are hardly the ones to point fingers at dumb statements on school policies. Just yesterday I was stopped on the street by a rough-looking gang of dinosaurs, asking if I knew were Brady could be found. They said they had a score to settle with him.

Comment by Bubs Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 12:40 pm
If a child is disruptive in class, a note/letter should be mailed home to his parents. A phone call to his parents would also be appropriate. Make the kid stay after school, write a thousand times “I will no longer waste my other classmates valuable time when they are here to learn”, or some other form of punishment.
No teacher should ever spank a child. That is the parent’s job to do so, if necessary. After three notices sent by the teacher to the parents that their child is a disruptive influence in the classroom, throw that kid out of school for one week. The fourth violation represents a 30 day suspension. The fifth time the disruptive kid is history. He should be removed permanently.

Comment by Beowulf Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 12:43 pm
Maybe I am missing something here, but can someone explain to me why this question was on the Daily Herald’s questionnaire to begin with? Is it a standard question for media questionnaires? Is this really a burning issue in Illinois?

To the question at hand, he is certainly not right…..and his response certainly makes him look like something less than a mainstream candidate. Brady’s people should be celebrating this tonight.

Comment by grand old partisan Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 12:44 pm
Paddle them? Naw…just throw them the heck out of school. If they can’t behave, they don’t belong in school disrupting the students that want to learn. Why do so many people feel a kid who is out of control deserves an education at the expense of the well behaved? Throw it back on the parents where the upbringing belongs.

Comment by Dauthus Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 12:46 pm
I don’t know but is there something in the works on the other side.Lisa Madigan came out today that she will not support Blago.I know it is off subject but will we have late breaking news.

Comment by DOWNSTATE Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 12:53 pm
beowulf and Dauthus …. newsflash, but the Public Schools can’t kick a kid out. They are legally required to provide an education for EVERYONE who lives in their district.

Sure, they can use various methods, like Alternative Schools, but they can’t just kick them out.

Comment by YNM Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 1:05 pm
Oberweis gurus keep banking,
On Hard Right Issues like spanking.
Much more Foot In Mouth
Will cause things to Head South.
Jimmyâ€™s in danger of “tanking.”

Comment by Limeric Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 1:08 pm
Grand Old Partisan:

Shortly after corporal punishment was outlawed in 1994, four southern Illinois schools sought state waivers to re-instate it. Three were denied. The fourth withdrawn.

In 1998, Glenn Poshard took a similar stand in support of local schools ability to use corporal punishment, briefly propelling the issue to the forefront in that race.

Comment by anon Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 1:21 pm
Rich and his readers,

With this past weekend’s Democratic caucuses in Massachusetts, I’m feeling like the ‘06 campaign season is in full swing.

However, my friends and I are feeling a little too parochial and want to learn more about state politics in states we don’t know much about… like Illinois!

Would anyone here be willing to spend a few minutes outlining the major candidates and issues in Illinois going into this year’s campaigns for governor, state Congress, U.S. Congress, etc.? Or, could you provide a “state of the state” type of overview? Or, simply some good links (such as back to your site!) for more information.

Thanks for your consideration.

Comment by Croaky Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 1:26 pm
corporal punishment is just another issue without a fiscal impact. Another diversion from Illinois State Government’s financial plight, which should be the major issue of this campaign and the one issue that none of the candidates are willing to seriously talk about.

Comment by capitol view Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 2:08 pm
I was spanked by teachers way back when. It was both embarassing and painful. I don’t agree with Rich here (Do you mind me calling you Rich, Mr. Miller). I think teachers should have the ability to spank students so long as it is a part of the discliplinary code and with the permission of the parents. And no teachers should not merely be baby sitters.

Comment by Levois Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 2:25 pm
I think the person who was also at the pro-life needs to check their hearing. Brady didn’t go negative, he simply told the truth. He said Milk Man about two campaignsâ€™ ago was pro-abortion and that he was happy to see that Milk Man saw the light to change sides. And that Milk Man was recently quoted saying his pro-life view is strictly political. Makes you wonder why the conservative leaders endorsed What is negative about that? I believe it was the Milk Man who went negative telling everyone that Brady can’t win. I have it digitally recorded if you want to hear it. Of course everyone was mad at Brady, they don’t want to lose their grave train. Milk Man has half of Lake County on his payroll.

Comment by Anonymous Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 2:42 pm
Easy Bubs…you might be accused of going negative…

Comment by the wonderboy Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 2:43 pm
The only way that a child could possibly be spanked is if the parents consent to it, and if they agree he deserves to be spanked, then they should be parents and do it themselves!

Comment by Anonymous Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 2:45 pm
Good grief. We aren’t talking about actually “beating” a child with fists and feet; we’re talking about paddling and swats. Kids are complete brats these days and they need something - ANYTHING - to keep them from behaving however they want. I’ve done enough “child watching” at churches, places of work and family gatherings to know that kids have no idea how to behave, are spoiled and do not fear anyone. And what happens? They go to school and act up because they can get away with everything short of murder. The teachers are afraid to enact any forms of corporal punishment, even if it is grabbing a child by the wrist, for fear of being sued, fired or both. I remember being in school (and I’m quite young) and watching teachers strike the fear of God into me and my buddies. I think we turned out fine and no teacher ever got sued for using a massive paddle. Yet my brother’s class, who came along well after mine, was not subject to paddling and threats and they are a group of troublemakers. Perhaps there is a corollary…

Comment by Team Sleep Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 2:46 pm
wonder said:
“No poll that I have ever seen is 85% in agreement with Oberweisâ€™ approach to dealing with a REAL concern such as immigration laws and enforcement”.

Heres one (I could go on and on and on….)

The poll, conducted by RoperASW on behalf of Negative Population Growth, and released by the United To Secure America coalition (www.secureamerica.info), found that illegal immigration is seen as a “serious problem” by 85 percent of American adults. These numbers are consistent with nearly all opinion polls conducted on these issues. However, in addition to stepped-up law enforcement, an overwhelming majority of Americans believe that it is necessary to impose tough penalties, including incarceration, on illegal aliens.

In addition to deportation, 83 percent of respondents also favored “mandatory detention and forfeiture of property” for people who are found to be living here illegally. Seventy percent said they would also support mandatory prison sentences for immigration law violations, in addition to property forfeiture and deportation.

The poll also found support among the American public for cooperation between state and local entities and the federal government in pursuit of meaningful immigration enforcment. The poll found:

88 percent support a law requiring state and local government agencies to notify the INS and local law enforcement when they determine “a person is here illegally, or has presented a false identification document.”
85 percent support a law requiring local law enforcement and government agencies to “apprehend and turn over illegal immigrants” they encounter.
The public also expresses concern about the proliferation of false documents and the ease by which illegal aliens, and would-be terrorists, can obtain identification documents. A large majority agree that Congress should pass laws requiring a document verification check with federal authorities when seeking the following services or procedures:

Checking an applicants’ eligibility to legally work in the U.S. (79% agree)
Applying for a driver’s license (82% agree)
Opening a bank account (75% agree)
Enrolling in school or college for oneself or a child (73% agree)
The entire poll can be found online at www.secureamerica.info. For more information, or comments, please contact Dan Stein, United to Secure America Coalition @ 202-328- 7004; Don Mann, Negative Population Growth @ 954-425-7946 or Geoff Feinberg, RoperASW @ 212-455-
or this one
new opinion poll by Zogby International indicates Americans are hardly pleased with the Bush administration on the subject of illegal immigration.

The poll, cited on CNN’s “Lou Dobbs Tonight” program yesterday, noted a huge majority â€“ 81 percent â€“ believes local and state police should help federal authorities enforce laws against illegal immigration. Only 14 percent disagreed.
This is why Oberweis can beat Blago in the general not only the gun issue but this:
According to the report, the greatest opponents of illegal immigration are Democrats, African-Americans, women and people with household income below $75,000, those with the most to lose in the job market.

Comment by Anonymous Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 2:50 pm
I’m with Oberweis on this one. If the kids get out of line in the classroom - let the beatings begin. We’re raising generations of obnoxious little brats who demand coddling and special attention. Enough is enough. If a kid refuses to behave and is a distraction to others - just beat the crap out of the insufferable bastard.

If the poor behavior continues, the child should be placed on a helicopter and dropped into Soldier Field with all of Oberweis’ illegal immigrants…that’ll show ‘em.

Comment by Tom DeLay's Mom Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 3:04 pm
The easiest way to relieve the illegal immigration problem is to let more people in legally, which we really should be doing.

Comment by Anonymous Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 3:11 pm
And yet that poll says nothing regarding whether The people of Illinois support Father Ice Cream’s plan for immigration. Reread what I said earlier…I understand what some of the polls say regarding immigration and public opinion, I just don’t think that most people (especially not 85%) agree with Father Ice Cream’s views or plan…read what you quoted.

The reality is that your 85% number says that Americans see illegal immigration as a serious problem. What you don’t see, however, is how the questions were asked or what options were given. This being the case, the results don’t give a proper analysis of how Americans feel. For that, go to
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/immigration_pol_pr.htm

Americans want to deal with the problem, they just don’t agree with Father Ice Cream’s stance on how to deal with it. All I am asking is that if you are going to use the data showing 85%, qualify it with other data which shows a full analysis.

Comment by the wonderboy Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 3:11 pm
Someone claimed this wasn’t a real world problem.

If he or she doesn’t think the lack of student discipline in today’s schools aren’t a problem, I’d suggest visiting one or two.

If not spanking, then maybe mandate running laps. Then we would solve two problems at once, discipline and childhood obesity.

Adults and parents who think non-physical punishments are inappropriate are helping to raise a generation who knows no limits.

Comment by Down in Egypt Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 3:36 pm
Well said, Down in Egypt…although I’d prefer beating the little bastards as opposed to having the snot-nosed troublemakers running laps…some kids enjoy running…obviously not many in this current generation of Big Mac-addicted porkers…

Comment by Tom DeLay's Mom Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 3:45 pm
Laps is a great idea. To hark back to my school days once again, I had a high school teacher who made us do push-ups if we misbehaved. He made you do a minimum of 10 and a max of 50. The class was well-behaved.

Comment by Team Sleep Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 3:56 pm
I’m fine with having the kids run laps, but can we still drop them out of helicopters in to Soldier Field if they continue to misbehave?

I think Oberweis was hoping to re-use the footage from his old TV ads…this way his consultants will only need to add the footage of the children falling from the sky, which ought to be pretty easy for them to do.

According the Oberweis Campaign, dropping children out of helicopters into Soldier Field polled right behind dropping illegal immigrants into Soldier Field out of helicopters…

Comment by Tom DeLay's Mom Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 4:05 pm
Laps and push-ups would be a great idea to discipline kids. It punishes, yet the kid is able to maintain his self-respect and get some exercise while he’s at it.

Comment by Anonymous Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 4:11 pm
his mentality fits in with people that want to execute people or whip slaves years ago. laying a hand on a child only drives then further from you than closer.

Perhaps he should move his cows to Texas where they like that kind of thing.

Comment by Doug Dobmeyer Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 4:12 pm
The problem lies with pre school discipline. Too many parents allow the babykids to run wild and wait for the first state, local or Federal program to provide discipline, be it Head Start or Kindergarten.

By that time it is too late to instill morals and require good behavior. The house ape is learning more from his peers than he did from the lazy parent.

The truth is — childen are like canoes, they behave better when paddled in the rear.

Comment by Truthful James Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 4:16 pm
Wonder
What are Oberweis plans for Illegal immigration? You seem to understand since you can say what people agree with and don’t

Comment by Anonymous Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 4:24 pm
Don’t mean to hijack a thread but Laski apparently just tendered his resignation to Daley, so let the battle for who gets appointed begin.

Comment by good guys wear black Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 4:55 pm
The truth is â€” childen are like canoes, they behave better when paddled in the rear.

Dude, you have issues! You’d probably like to paddle Obie.

Comment by B Hicks Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 4:58 pm
BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!

Another one bites the dust!!

Comment by Bubs Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 5:01 pm
Why is it that it doesn’t shock me that Oberweis likes to beat kids?

As a teacher, I am sickened. Luckily, he doesn’t have a snow balls chance in hell.

Comment by BigMac Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 5:24 pm
IT WOULD BE OK TO SEND LETTERS TO THE PARENTS IF THESE TROUBLE MAKERS HAD PARENTS. MOST OF THE TIME GRANNY IS “RASING” THE LITTLE PUNKS. AS FOR THE HELICOPTER IDEA I’M WITH LES NESMAN AS GOD AS MY WITNESS I THOUGHT THEY COULD FLY!

Comment by NIEVA Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 5:43 pm
That was the “big guy”, not Les

Comment by steve schnorf Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 6:31 pm
No parachutes yet. Can’t be skydivers… I can’t tell just yet what they are, but - Oh my God, Johnny, they’re turkeys!! Johnny, can you get this? Oh, they’re plunging to the earth right in front of our eyes! One just went through the windshield of a parked car! Oh, the humanity! The turkeys are hitting the ground like sacks of wet cement! Not since the Hindenberg tragedy has there been anything like this!

Comment by Anonymous Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 7:29 pm
Well, I have deduced his apparent plans based upon his words and actions. Wish I could send you directly to some link stating his plans, but he hasn’t got any issue or policy plans on his site…which is another problem I have with him to be honest. So let me give you my take on how I view his plans based upon his words, friends and actions…
Step 1: Use overstatement and rhetoric to drum up excessive fear based upon lies and misleading figures.
Step 2: Single out illegal immigrants from only one nation (I won’t name where, but if you can come up with it I would assume that my point is valid).
Step 3: Do not allow any immunity for those who have been here for years…likely to include no earned citizenship.
Step 4: Work with groups such as the Minutemen who support questionable means of dealing with this issue…unless you think vigilantes are “American”.
Step 5: Allow illegals to work in his offices, though using contractors as cover.
Step 6: Not provide any means of worker visas thereby creating another problem when those willing to work jobs that Americans will not are deported/placed in holding cells.
Step 7: My favorite–When our efforts to stop all immigration fail, punish the children of immigrants living in the United States for the actions and errors of the parents.

Just my take…but based upon what I have seen and heard. If you have some sort of inside knowledge as to what his “actual” plan may be, I would love to see it…since it is ominously nonexistent.

Comment by the wonderboy Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 7:47 pm
Wow wonderboy you just gave that list like a Democrat using inuendo and charactor assasination!!!
Here is Illegal Immigration plan
ENFORCE THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS! Simple

Comment by Anonymous Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 8:02 pm
Actually, I don’t think I used innuendo since by definition that would have to be an indirect implication. The only innuendo that I did use was in relation to the country of origin that he singles out…and that was to prove a point. I thought my statements were rather direct and didn’t require a lot of deduction as to the meaning. If they did, I apologize for the lack of clarity.

When you say enforce the laws on the books, it shows an utter lack of understanding for the complex nature of the problem. Sounds simple, but it is simply unrealistic and doesn’t deal with the entire problem.

I did find it humorous, however, that you implied Democrats are the only ones capable of innuendo or character assassination. I think John McCain may disagree…so might John Kerry.

By the way, is it really character assassination if you are using the candidates vocalized positions to disagree with their positions? Everything that I listed is based upon info that you can goole and find Father Ice Cream’s statements/actions regarding his positions. Again, seems like I have “become your enemy by telling you the truth.”

I do find it interesting that you still fail to provide any positive words related to Oberweis’ policy and issues…seems like you have gone negative in attacking my positions as opposed to what you wanted earlier from me. Hypocritical, yes, but still interesting.

Comment by the wonderboy Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 8:20 pm
I didn’t imply! I said you sound like a DEMOCRAT.I said that because you use references from News stories not the mans words themselves. You sound like the Democrats and the liberals when you say that he is using simple answers for “complex” questions. Something like they used to say about Reagan that he used “Bumper sticker solutions” Some times the solutions are the easy way. Why didn’t we have this problem 50 years ago? Because every police officer was allowed to do their job. When you pulled someone over and they didn’t speak english you asked for their green card. If they didn’t have one they were deported. That IS the law. Nothing complex about it. What is complex is that now we have millions who are ALLOWED to break the law without concquences. We used to ask for a green card for the kids to sign up for school and for food stamps and for free medical care. Now you make fun of people who want the law enforced; to you we are stupid haters who just don’t understand. I am happy I am not as enlightened as you. All this to cover for your candidates voting with his heart, and not with the constitution? Giving in state tuition to law breakers is not “AMERICAN” Letting people get ID’s that don’t prove who they are is not “AMERICAN” Letting people use those ID’s to get mortgages at a better interest rate than vets is not the “AMERICAN” way to do things follwing the law is the AMERICAN way. I have a tape of his Townhall meeting and his answers. You attack Oberweis because he wants the Government to enforce the laws on the books. Look into the numbers he used in the helicopter piece and you will see they are low. The study only counted people coming in over the entry points not the ones who sneek in through the desert or across the northern border. As for “we know who he really means” that would be who you really mean because he has NEVER used any nationality.
I would say you have the democratic attack points down well.

Comment by Anonymous Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 9:32 pm
Reading these last few posts has given me a headache . . . being succinct has its place, people.

Comment by Bubs Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 9:52 pm
amen, bubs.

was that succint enough?

Comment by YNM Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 10:09 pm
Grrr…that was so angry…yet still anonymous so I don’t know who I am talking to.

Sorry Bubs…I’ll try to be more brief.

Let’s be clear…most of the things you discussed never came out of my mouth or Brady’s mouth or any other candidate, you just made assumptions. I cannot begin to argue points that I never made (but you tried to attribute to me) so I won’t try. As a point of reference…I am a veteran and it always bothers me when others who are not reference us as a policy position (you may be one, but I would never know since you are Anon).

And here are the words from Father Milkman’s campaign that show he did single out one nation, as described in the Tribune:
“Oberweis’ campaign cited a 2002 Washington Times article, which reported that more than 10,000 illegal immigrants cross each day from Mexico into the United States, for a total of 3.65 million a year.”
And I simply hope that you don’t actually believe that the 10,000 is low…

Comment by the wonderboy Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 10:12 pm
to anon, the attacker (i’d reference all the times but that would take too long) …

while i appreciated the little comment rant you provided us with, i’m not sure if was beneficial. and, back to the real issue, which was Ober-the-top’s view of corporal punishment in schools: I’ve got some real concerns with the views some have expressed here. I guess I should be thankful none of you work with my children or in our public schools. Maybe some of the issues with our children are based on the way so many adults seem to perceive them.

Their “children” folks. Just that. Not little adults. They are supposed to misbehave sometimes. They’re supposed to make mistakes. They are supposed to test authority. And being paddled, or spanked, or hit, or anything else isn’t going to help them turn into what we want them to become. They need clear boundaries. They need clear expectations. They need adults who advocate for them and encourage them and discipline them. Maybe if we had a positive view of children and what they were as well as what they could become, we wouldn’t need to be talking about corporal punishment in schools. Maybe then we would fund schools appropriately and adequately.

Comment by YNM Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 10:15 pm
You guys call that stuff “succinct”?

There is never an asprin bottle handy when you need it.

Comment by Bubs Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 10:42 pm
baby steps, bubs, baby steps

Comment by the wonderboy Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 10:51 pm
at least wonderboy and i use paragraphs and make attempts at writing posts that are scanable and legible … i’m trying to help bubs, i really am!

Comment by YNM Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 11:00 pm
I’d say both, as corporal punishment is obviously wrong, but sometimes government has gone too far in prosecuting even minor infractions. There’s a fine line there.

But it seems to me evidence of Oberweiss’s lock-step adoption of the views of creepy Jim Dobson, the uber-conservative “Christian” psychologist, multi-millionaire head of “Focus on the Family” who often promotes and recommends corporal punishment.

Comment by TID Monday, Feb 6, 06 @ 11:49 pm
what the heck is this guy working on now ??? Next he’ll re-instate the “locks” of puritin time or the dunking stool … that worked great !Man, go back to the farm & work the cattle or make some ice cream anything but run for governor …pleeezzzz !!!! give a real candidate a chance ….. Oby your best day was 20 years ago. In case you hadn’y noticed we’re in a progressive age & believe it or not a new century.

Comment by anon Tuesday, Feb 7, 06 @ 6:11 am
Steve Schnorf,
I saw your name on Ryan’s list of xmas gift givers. Way to pay to play, dude. $100 well spent.

Comment by Bill Tuesday, Feb 7, 06 @ 6:55 am
Kids are happier when they’re given guidelines to live by and disciplined when they’ve failed to live up to those standards. Worry about some kid’s “self-respect” after he’s disrupted class? Maybe you’d be happier if we gave him/her an award for “thinking outside of the box”? Or “they’re supposed to mis-behave”? Really? I guess then that would be the excuse for the teenager who’s on trial for killing another classmate for flirting with her boyfriend?
It’s OK she killed someone, she was just mis-behaving…

The responses for this simple topic show clearly the decline in morality and integrity in our society today. These kids growing up today without the parents taking control and giving guidance are going to be the parents of tomorrow!

Just what do you think their kids will grow up like?

Raising children is one of the most important tasks as human beings we face, yet, it’s turned over to strangers at the daycare centers, so these part-time parents can still manage to do their thing without the hinderance of child-rearing. Let’s all give a big cheer to “Women’s Lib” - get them out of the house and into the workforce, so much more important than being just a “home-maker”

Comment by bbishere2 Tuesday, Feb 7, 06 @ 8:51 am
I have read all the diatribes since my submission. Most of you have taken the opportunity to blast Oberweis and call him names and representing his position as something that he is not, I gather it ius because his campaign is moving up in the polls somewhat and you would rather support Judy B and/or any Dem (but preferably Eisendrath).

The use of Anon has given you cover, Take some time and take a Nickname so that one can tell which of the many respondents each must be.

Also, try to deal with the facts straight ahead and do not rely on ad hominem attacks. Intellectual accomplishment is not required, but logic and consistency are.

Comment by Truthful James Tuesday, Feb 7, 06 @ 11:27 am
bbishere2 … i assume maybe some of that was aimed at my comments, but hard to tell. and yes, i think it is completely normal for children to misbehave … haven’t met one yet who hasn’t/doesn’t/won’t. maybe you were the only one?

and the rest of your statement illustrates another point … that the primary responsiblity for raising children rests on the parents. we continue to ask schools to do more with less, and i don’t think corporal punishment should be on the list of things we ask them to do.

misbehaving, testing authority, etc. are all part of growing up. you can’t take that and make a logical jump to murder like you did. oh well, i can’t expect everyone here to be reasonable.

i echo truthful james … pick a name, any name. although i have not seen much evidence of ober-the-top moving up in the polls … but then again i am not privy to all the polls.

Comment by YNM Tuesday, Feb 7, 06 @ 2:30 pm
TJ

Based upon you desire that logic and consistency be required, which polls show Father Ice Cream climbing? (Sorry, hope you don’t mind the name I just called him) I don’t know if that belief is logical or consistent with reality. As for my positions, I have been consistent in my positions and I would say logical based upon following each candidates actions and words.

Forgive me if I seem confused…not all of us have the intellectual accomplishment of yourself.

Comment by the wonderboy Tuesday, Feb 7, 06 @ 4:36 pm