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* You may have noticed that the Chicago Sun-Times endorsed Comptroller Leslie Munger this week. An excerpt

Ask Munger what she thinks about Rauner’s agenda of pro-business reforms and she’ll tell you she likes it. But, unlike the governor, she has never argued those reforms should be a condition of passing a budget.

That’s not how I remember things. In fact, here’s one example on the paper’s own website

Munger blames lawmakers for the impasse, urging structural reforms.

* And

During remarks to the press and social service leaders, Munger repeated Rauner’s familiar refrain on the budget issue and how to solve it.

“We need to ask the governor and the General Assembly to get a balanced budget in place. I cannot emphasize (enough) the importance of the word ‘balanced,’” she said. “(It) must include some reforms. … We have very high cost for businesses and send businesses and jobs out of state.”

* But, mostly, she just filibusters and avoids saying anything definitive, kinda like she did at the Sun-Times the other day

The bottom line is, the governor isn’t ever going to agree to a “balanced” budget (meaning new revenues) until he gets some of his reforms. And Munger has never once to my knowledge urged the governor to set aside those economic demands and work out a budget deal.

posted by Rich Miller
Friday, Oct 14, 16 @ 12:42 pm

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  1. So many incompetent people working at these editorial boards. Arent they supposed to know more about these issues than us?

    Comment by Mal Friday, Oct 14, 16 @ 12:50 pm

  2. The important understanding about Rauner is that Rauner refuses to see Revenue beyond “a give” when anyone who honestly looks at what needs to be done knows…

    “Revenue is Required”

    Anyone who refuses to see there’s no leverage in withhin this phony ideal that “reforms are required”

    Reforms are a want, reforms are not an actual accounting principle in budget crafting.

    Revenue is a required element, and increased revenue is going to be required. Revenue is in accounting principles, an actual budgetary element.

    Withholding a budget for reforms… that’s holding hostage navy things…

    Maybe clarification might help.

    Comment by Oswego Willy Friday, Oct 14, 16 @ 12:51 pm

  3. “The bottom line is, the governor isn’t ever going to agree to a “balanced” budget (meaning new revenues) until he gets some of his reforms.”

    My jaded response is- Some may never be enough. He’s got to “win”, and “at all costs” might be where his goal posts will always be for certain items such as his constitutional budgetary duties.

    Comment by Anon221 Friday, Oct 14, 16 @ 12:52 pm

  4. I have said this before and will say it again, this is not a budget deal, budgets are a process of allocating existing resources. This is a tax increase deal, unless they can figure out a pension reform and ramp (like another 75 year ramp) that can be agreed upon and pass the Supreme Court whose justices are in said pension plans.

    Comment by Ahoy! Friday, Oct 14, 16 @ 1:14 pm

  5. “The bottom line is, the governor isn’t ever going to agree to a “balanced” budget (meaning new revenues) until he gets some of his reforms.”

    Then we’re never going to have a budget until Rauner is out of office.

    Comment by RNUG Friday, Oct 14, 16 @ 1:41 pm

  6. I think what Ms. Munger meant to say is “never, at this time . . .”

    Comment by Henry Francis Friday, Oct 14, 16 @ 1:45 pm

  7. == … unless they can figure out a pension reform and ramp (like another 75 year ramp) that can be agreed upon and pass the Supreme Court ==

    1) You can’t “reform” Tier 1.

    2) Tier 2 was your legal pension reform. You can change things for new hires but anything beyond Tier 2 will actually cost the State more money, either in a required 401K match or being forced to put all the TRS members into Social Security.

    3) Any ramp over about 35 - 40 years is just paying interest upon interest; doesn’t make financial sense.

    All that is left is paying the debt. The only real question left is:

    (a) do you do another ramp that might save a few millions short term but cost billions more long term?

    or

    (b) do you design a level payment plan that will cost millions upfront but save billions in the long run?

    or

    (c) offer a buy-out consideration model to current Tier 1 members that will, if it is anywhere close to the actual value, require the State to immediately pay out cash it doesn’t have?

    or

    (d) keep making the payments as scheduled on the Edgar Ramp?

    (a) might delay a pension tax increase a year or two while (b) requires an immediate pension tax increase. (c) is most likely a non-starter for any Tier 1 member who consults a financial planner and (d) is apparently what the Governor and GA don’t want to do because it also requires a tax increase.

    Those are your legal choices. Time to pick one.

    Comment by RNUG Friday, Oct 14, 16 @ 1:59 pm

  8. As someone else here posted, most of the T/A items are “window dressing” relative to Mr. Rauner’s infatuation with destroying organized labor. Unless the anti-labor items are removed, I agree with RNUG that there will not be a budget during Mr. Rauner’s tenure as Gov.

    Comment by kitty Friday, Oct 14, 16 @ 2:00 pm

  9. Ahoy- given his failure to present a constitutionally-required balanced budget, I think the governor disagrees with you. A budget is not about allocating resources, it’s about fulfilling obligations. When the governor files specific proposals to change the obligations, maybe then we’ll se3 progress.

    Comment by Anonymous Friday, Oct 14, 16 @ 2:00 pm

  10. Ahoy, the pension bill that was struck down did not include the judicial pension plan.

    Comment by Anonymous Friday, Oct 14, 16 @ 2:17 pm

  11. If we have a budget, the financing fees will not be as huge when we issue the bonds. Not having a budget, its freaking priceless.

    Comment by yeah Friday, Oct 14, 16 @ 2:44 pm

  12. Munger keeps not telling the truth about the most basic things. It started when she wanted to walk back saying she was Rauner’s “wingman.” These pesky Internet computer machines tend to capture things like that. It just shows me she’s entitled and not used to being told “no.”

    Comment by Albany Park Patriot Friday, Oct 14, 16 @ 3:25 pm

  13. Meanwhile, rauner is content to starve the beast.

    He accomplishes that without passing a bill.

    Its just leverage.

    Comment by Langhorne Friday, Oct 14, 16 @ 3:47 pm

  14. I guess the editorial board at the Sun Times isn’t reading their own paper…

    Comment by shytown Monday, Oct 17, 16 @ 11:16 am

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