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A few hours before placing his signature on a controversial bill expanding taxpayer-funded abortion coverage on Thursday, Gov. Bruce Rauner made a courtesy call to Chicago Cardinal Blase Cupich.
The archbishop reminded him that he was disappointed not only by the policy decision, but also by the governor’s choice to break his promise. Last spring, Rauner had assured opponents of abortion rights that he would veto the measure.
“I reminded him of the promise and also my statement earlier thanking him for that,” Cupich told the Tribune on Thursday evening. “He did break his word. He broke his word to the people, especially those who have continued to speak on behalf of the vulnerable child in the womb. […]
But Cupich said that on Thursday, there was little room for argument with the governor.
“He was fairly matter-of-fact in saying what decision he came to,” Cupich said. “I expressed my disappointment. I think that’s about it.”
I know I’ve been saying this a lot lately, but I cannot recall ever seeing anything like this in Illinois. A governor getting called out by the Cardinal for breaking his promise?
Man.
posted by Rich Miller
Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 9:48 am
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Comment by Nick Name Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 9:52 am
Problem for Rauner obviously was that he basically had made promises to activists on both sides of the issue.
There’s little reason to think he cares about the issue so I assume he made the political calculation that he couldn’t afford to mess with the suburban female vote that helped him beat Quinn.
Comment by slow down Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 9:53 am
This would mean something if it actually meant something.
But it means nothing. All these folks yammering about Rauner’s lying? They’re still going to vote for Rauner when they’re standing with the ballot.
I respect the Cardinal — and I certainly believe the Cardinal — but Rauner’s lying *makes no difference*.
Comment by Macbeth Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 9:54 am
That this goes beyond the substance of the bill- that the people who are angry are couching this in terms of Rauner’s character and bringing up all his other manifest failures- is what makes me think this could be more than transitory.
Comment by Arsenal Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 9:54 am
Kinda over prominent white males dominating this discussion, but maybe that’s just me.
Comment by Dome Gnome Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 9:56 am
===A governor getting called out by the Cardinal for breaking his promise?===
Meh, Rauner isn’t Catholic.
Bishop Paprocki threatened to deny the Eucharist to Dick Durbin simply because Durbin is a pro-choice legislator.
And all politicians lie, although some are better liars than others.
Comment by 47th Ward Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 9:56 am
Abortion, and its gravity, makes it almost an imperative for a bishop to make such a statement. The fact that he lied to him, made it an easy call for Cupich
Comment by Anonymous Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 9:56 am
@slow down
Spot on. Rauner knows the people he threw under the bus will be with him come election time. That is the way it is until the religious right stops voting for Republicans no matter what they believe. His pro-choice views didn’t hurt him in 2014, and I highly doubt they will hurt him in 2018. The problem though, with the suburban vote, he may have already lost too many votes to win.
Comment by Ducky LaMoore Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 9:57 am
The irony of a celibate man spouting off about women’s reproductive health care is rich.
Comment by Anon E. Moose Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 9:59 am
time for a exorcism by Paprocki?
Comment by Abe the Babe Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 9:59 am
===A governor getting called out by the Cardinal for breaking his promise?===
It’s starting to seem like the only aspect of Rauner’s administration that he’s been consistent about is fibs, misrepresentations, and outright lies about the kinds of things that other Governors have simply not felt the need to lie about.
If he’s an ends justify the means kind of guy, he really hasn’t put forth much of an end here to justify any of this.
Comment by Anon Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:00 am
And Lincoln freed the slaves, never owned any.
As humans, we have the power to empathise and the intelligence to be more than what biology made us.
Comment by VanillaMan Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:02 am
As humans, we have the power to empathise and the intelligence to be more than what biology made us.
Comment by VanillaMan Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:03 am
when a man favors a fertilized egg over a live woman, I have no feelings to give for him/them.
Comment by Amalia Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:06 am
There’s no doubt that any Republican who goes to the polls in 2018, even the Religious Right currently making a fuss about this, will still pull the lever for Rauner.
However, I do think this will depress R turnout a little bit. Enough to make a difference? Not sure.
Comment by WSJ Paywall Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:07 am
How many Chicago, Cook County and suburban Catholics are pro-life? I ask because Senator Durbin is a Catholic and pro-choice. So is Chris Kennedy. Has abortion been an issue for Catholics in those areas?
Look at the blowback Bishop Paprocki gets over his stances - even in a downstate area that leans right-of-center (or just right) on social issues.
Comment by Curl of the Burl Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:08 am
The problem with Rauner is his lack of a moral compass. It’s actually quite a dangerous characteristic for a leader.
He admits in his HB40 monologue that the moral argument against abortion is irrefutable; then, he refutes it.
Setting aside the morality of abortion, we are all still left with a known liar.
12.8 million people being led by a well-documented liar. Pick you topic, he’s lied.
What a loser.
Comment by cdog Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:10 am
I think this bill helps him with the ultra-liberal voters mainly from the lakefront who are pro abortion. I don’t believe in this day and age that most suburban women have a strong stance on abortion. It may even have shifted with the advances in technology (ultrasounds) and the availability of the morning after pill.
Comment by Noodle Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:12 am
Say one thing, do something else. That is not unusual for this governor. He makes promises that he can’t or won’t keep.
Comment by DuPage Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:13 am
The Cardinal leads 2 counties full of Catholics. People often forget that Lake County is part of the Arch Diocese. There are plenty of pro-choice Catholics, who very often cite they are personally pro life, but don’t wish to dictate those views upon others.
The hard line that’s always been sacrosanct, is that public tax payer money would not be used for this purpose. Every credible poll has that view in a very strong majority.
While Elected Democrats are rarely pro life anymore; A lot of Democratic voters remain pro life. This could be a tipping point for them too.
Comment by A guy Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:14 am
We should respect one another’s religious beliefs and not insult church leaders when they acknowledge scientific fact that conception is a moment when a form of human life occurs.
Go ahead and name call or get emotional, but human life comes in all shapes, sizes, gender, races, nationalities, forms and religions. Everyone blogging here today has been a form of human life before birth. Children today are photographed while still in the egg. They get surgeries before birth, pre-natal vitamins, and everyone knows that a new human life is coming.
Sorty about this, but your political definitions or legal definitions don’t change the science.
Comment by VanillaMan Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:20 am
==I think this bill helps him with the ultra-liberal voters mainly from the lakefront who are pro abortion. I don’t believe in this day and age that most suburban women have a strong stance on abortion. It may even have shifted with the advances in technology (ultrasounds) and the availability of the morning after pill.==
Why would ANY “ultra-liberal” vote for Bruce Rauner because he voted like a democrat on one issue?
Comment by So_Ill Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:23 am
The irony of the “over prominent white male” leader of the Catholic Church in Chicago “spouting off” about Catholic Church doctrine followed by millions of Illinois residents. Identity politics at it’s worst.
I have yet to see any poll that states a majority of Illinois residents no matter where they live, what party they are in, what color or sex they are support taxpayer funded abortion on demand.
Why is it that the proponents of tax payer funded abortion like JB Pritzker who “demanded” Governor Rauner sign this bill cannot point to any hard data that shows majority support for this divisive issue?
A substantial body of past public-opinion data shows strong opposition to taxpayer funding of abortion. Numerous Marist polls sponsored by the Knights of Columbus have consistently found that over 60 percent of Americans oppose using tax dollars to pay for abortions. A 2016 poll commissioned by Politico and the Harvard School of Public Health arrived at a similar conclusion
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/445989/planned-parenthood-kaiser-poll
Comment by Lucky Pierre Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:24 am
===While Elected Democrats are rarely pro life anymore; A lot of Democratic voters remain pro life. This could be a tipping point for them too.===
What are you saying here, exactly?
To the Post,
Bruce Rauner has a proven history of “misunderstanding” the truth he thinks he knows or says, and the truth others with better reputations to truth have about shared experiences.
The Cardinal said what he said.
I have no reason in any way or any reason not to believe every word he is saying above.
In the end, Rauner was the most truthful when he had Diana Rauner in ads touting no social agenda and parlaying that with the qurationnaire he (Rauner) filled out that all but completely mirrored HB40.
That was the Rauner truth.
How Rauner handled knowing and following his truth is seem with how things were handled with Cardinal Cupich
Comment by Oswego Willy Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:33 am
Abortion is to reproductive health what capital punishment is to crime fighting. An extreme solution to a preventable situation that involes the ending of a human’s life.
Taxpayer funding of abortions is unfair.
Comment by VanillaMan Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:33 am
===Taxpayer funding of abortions is unfair.===
Yes, in exactly the same way that taxpayer funding of capital punishment is “unfair.”
Comment by 47th Ward Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:36 am
When your own floor leader and a Catholic Cardinal call you a liar, you have a problem. The lying transcends this particular issue. It is a fatal flaw.
Comment by Last Bull Moose Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:40 am
==The irony of a celibate man spouting off about women’s reproductive health care is rich.==
==when a man favors a fertilized egg over a live woman, I have no feelings to give for him/them.==
You have a beef with the Catholic Church’s teaching on abortion - that’s fine. Tell me where the Cardinal’s statement on the Governor’s trustworthiness is inaccurate or flawed. Or are people choosing to stand with the Governor simply because it’s a Cardinal who called him out on his actions?
Comment by Name Withheld Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:43 am
Right on Vanilla Man. We are facing rough blog winds today.
Comment by Anonymous Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:46 am
==What are you saying here, exactly?==
Willy, I am a Catholic. I’ve watched over a lengthy period of time how Catholics have managed their thinking on the issue of abortion.
Some, became Republicans. Others evolved into the Edward Kennedy concept “I’m pro life, but it’s the law of the land”, which later matured to Geraldine Ferraro’s “I’m personally pro-life, but politically pro-choice” -not wanting to impose on the choice or rights of others, but maintaining the view that abortion is wrong.
Pluralistic thinking Democrats rationalized a way to vote for Non Pro life candidates balancing other positions that were important to them. Especially working class Democrats who reluctantly supported candidates that weren’t pro life.
There was always a hard line though; the Hyde Amendment. People of the moral conscience that abortion was taking a life would not have to participate in any way with it. Doctors, nurses, hospitals, clinics, etc. More so…public money would NOT be used for this procedure.
That line has been crossed. That may be going too far for moderate pro choicers who just can’t take their rationalization that far.
This bill was meant to do everything but pass and become law. It’s evil intent overachieved yesterday. Not much to celebrate for the victors. Most of them are creating a deafening silence.
Comment by A guy Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:47 am
===Meh, Rauner isn’t Catholic. ===
I’m not, either, but that doesn’t mean I’d lie to a religious leader.
Comment by Rich Miller Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:51 am
Guy - you bring up a good point. Will the DOJ bring suit against Illinois for potential Hyde Amendment violations?
I would assume this will become a legal issue - DOJ or no DOJ - especially if Cardinal Cupich decides a suit is worthwhile.
Comment by Curl of the Burl Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:52 am
==Yes, in exactly the same way that taxpayer funding of capital punishment is “unfair.”==
47, I’m not in favor of Capital Punishment. Among other things it’s extremely fiscally irresponsible.
But your statement here has flawed underpinnings.
Capital Punishment is the result of a crime, repeated crimes or especially heinous behavior.
Abortion is the result of a mistake, or selfish disregard for the well known result of the consequences of not using contraceptives.
I believe there are some exceptions in both cases, but Capital punishment CAN be unfair. In nearly every case Abortion IS unfair.
And now I’ll be forced to pay for it.
Comment by A guy Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:54 am
I agree, this was a political calculation designed to regain favor with socially-liberal,financially-conservative suburban (women).
As regards the Cardinal: he lost this one, but he won one too not long ago. This is, after all, the definition of politics: win some, lose some.
As others note: Republican voters, even socially-conservative ones, will vote for BVR come Nov. 2018, because they’ll be utterly traumatized by the campaign and outraged at the idea of either JB or CK as governor.
Rauner wants to oversee redistricting, and he wants to reap the glory from the Janus decision and forward it, probably going directly after teachers in the next round.
Comment by dbk Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:55 am
- A Guy -
I too am Catholic.
Watching the politics, just and only the politics, the best (for a truly lack of a better description) way for Rauner to reconcile his past, his thoughts, his beliefs, was to sign HB40. Between the questionnaire and Diana Rauner’s public policy statements in commercials made that decision a signature.
It was consistent with his statements and written words, and how Rauner misplayed and misspoke or how Cardinal Cupich describes it, I’ll let the Cardinal’s words speak for themselves.
My point here is, so are you saying this signing of HB40, with your clarifying as you did, as I asked, (thanks) is this going to be enough not to support Rauner in 2018?
Does this mean then, after you clarified, that Catholics, possibly, may not support Rauner now, en masse?
Comment by Oswego Willy Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 10:56 am
Along with Rich’s line of thinking, the Governor personally lying to any stakeholder is problematic. We’re not talking a staffer making qualified statements, this is the boss stating he will do something.
On the other hand, while maybe he can get away with lying to the IMEA or Chamber of Commerce and offer up something else in their interests, but the same won’t apply with abortion and the Church, there is pretty much nothing Rauner can do to make the Church say “we lost on abortion, but X will make up for it”.
Comment by Swift Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 11:17 am
==Why is it that the proponents of tax payer funded abortion like Bruce Rauner==
Fixed that for ya, LP!
Comment by Arsenal Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 11:17 am
Many of the complainers here were complicit or supportive of Rauner’s deliberate misanthropic actions toward the least among us, those who needed the help of their community the most.
Spare me your outrage now. Like the song goes, you knew he was a snake when you took him in.
Comment by wordslinger Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 11:37 am
Madigan and the Cardinals he controls
Comment by perrier Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 11:40 am
===I have yet to see any poll that states a majority of Illinois residents no matter where they live, what party they are in, what color or sex they are support taxpayer funded abortion on demand===
… and yet Bruce Rauner signed it into law. The only governor in America to do so. Only a governor can sign - Lucky Pierre - so understand it was Rauner’s choice, all his.
===Why is it that the proponents of tax payer funded abortion like JB Pritzker who “demanded” Governor Rauner sign this bill cannot point to any hard data that shows majority support for this divisive issue?===
Meh. They don’t need to now. Bruce Rauner signed it into law.
===
A substantial body of past public-opinion data shows strong opposition to taxpayer funding of abortion. Numerous Marist polls sponsored by the Knights of Columbus have consistently found that over 60 percent of Americans oppose using tax dollars to pay for abortions. A 2016 poll commissioned by Politico and the Harvard School of Public Health arrived at a similar conclusion===
My last question here then - Lucky Pierre - is how can YOU support a governor that signed HB40?
Comment by Oswego Willy Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 11:46 am
“… And in other news, the Cardinal did say that he intends to keep the $100,000,000 the governor set aside for tax-payer funded, private education….” *smile*
Comment by H-W Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 12:00 pm
===I’m not, either, but that doesn’t mean I’d lie to a religious leader.===
You probably wouldn’t lie about your grandfather, either. Lol.
Comment by 47th Ward Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 12:10 pm
abortion is unfair….in the case of sexual assault or rape? The Cardinal says Rauner lied. I’m glad Rauner made the choice to support live women.
Comment by Amalia Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 12:10 pm
For all the pro-life people who voted for Rauner; for all those who care for social and human services and voted for Rauner; for all those who support public education; for all those in unions who voted for Rauner: all I can think of right now is the fable of the frog and the scorpion, where the scorpion kills the frog while it helps him cross the river. Remember what the scorpion said? “You knew what I was when you agreed to help me.”
Comment by Silent Budgeteer Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 12:13 pm
Nobody is surprised that Bruce Rauner is a liar, they’re just surprised that he’d lie to them.
– MrJM
Comment by @MisterJayEm Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 12:25 pm
I would doubt there are very many single issue voters from either party whose vote will swing on HB 40
All of those Republican representatives that said they will not support Governor Rauner because of HB 40 will not suddenly vote for JB or whoever the Democratic nominee is
Even in a blue state like Illinois most voters do not want a rubber stamp for Speaker Madigan’s Agenda
Comment by Lucky Pierre Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 12:47 pm
==Does this mean then, after you clarified, that Catholics, possibly, may not support Rauner now, en masse?==
In a word; Yes.
Comment by A guy Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 1:04 pm
What about you - A Guy -, will you be supporting Rauner from this point forward, especially since you feel you can speak to Catholics like you and me leaving the governor en masse?
Can you make that “opinion” and leave your own judgment still open? Don’t think you can.
Comment by Oswego Willy Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 1:06 pm
Oh boy, lol… So much here, just so much…
===I would doubt there are very many single issue voters from either party whose vote will swing on HB 40===
Then why did Rauner find the need to mislead every single person he spoke to on HB40? If this isn’t a single issue (abortion) that can make or break a person’s vote, why are you so concerned that others who didn’t sign HB40 catch more heat than Rauner who actually signed HB40.
Just days ago you - Lucky Pierre - made the case that signature was an impossibility, now Rauner signed what you said wasn’t possible to be the law.
It’s a single issue that moves voters.
===All of those Republican representatives that said they will not support Governor Rauner because of HB 40 will not suddenly vote for JB or whoever the Democratic nominee is===
We agree, but the GOP GA is owned by Rauner, they’re only hypocrites to the wringing of the hands to HB40 aand their voting record to destroy groups like Catholic Charities.
===Even in a blue state like Illinois most voters do not want a rubber stamp for Speaker Madigan’s Agenda===
“Because Madigan”?
LOL
Rauner signed the most liberal abortion bill in all 50 states, and you railed on that bill… but…
“It’s cool… ‘because Madigan’… amirite?”
You complained, hemmed, hawed, said the AV was the best answer… now… “Because Madigan”?
You have even less credibility than Rauner, and that’s almost impossible to have, given what Cardinal Cupich describes
Comment by Oswego Willy Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 1:17 pm
LP:
You’ve managed to say a lot of words and still not quite brought yourself to criticize the Governor specifically.
==will not suddenly vote for JB ==
Probably not. But they might suddenly not vote at all. If he loses people in the base of the Republican Party he’s made his re-election chances that much more difficult.
Comment by Demoralized Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 1:17 pm
I’ll answer the first question will which render the second one moot.
No, I will not be supporting him from this point forward. Adding, it’s not a snap decision either. Unfortunately, I’ve been moving this direction for a while.
Comment by A guy Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 1:19 pm
– Abortion is a mistake…. the well known result of the consequences of not using contraceptives–
Guy, as the self-appointed spokesman for Catholics, you might want to check the canon on the use of contraceptives before your next visit to Cafeteria Sanctimony.
A Pew Resarch poll last July showed that 53% of American Catholics believe abortion should be legal in most cases; 57% of all Americans believe the same.
Comment by wordslinger Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 1:26 pm
- A guy -,
To you,
Your loyalty to the candidate and the governor has been an admirable thing, even if and when (more when) we disagreed, be it the politics, the governing, the politics within the governing, even the motives within both that Candidate, now Governor, Rauner allowed in the realm of examination.
I’m sure this didn’t come easy.
Unlike elected officials or political leaders that find ways to explain where they disagree and yet support someome without inner-reflection, you are approaching, as you have, as a person supporting the governor as a partisan (in a good way to be partisan) does.
I hope you can find peace with this, and I hope you continue to leave your thoughts on the issues, even if they still agree with the governor, with the zeal you have, even if the Governor now has lost your support.
I appreciate you clarifying this change of heart.
Oswego Willy
Comment by Oswego Willy Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 1:35 pm
==I will not be supporting him from this point forward==
I’m assuming that means you’d skip the Governor’s race on the ballot if Rauner is the nominee (or do a write in). I can’t imagine the race won’t be close again. This action didn’t help his re-election chances.
Comment by Demoralized Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 1:40 pm
Sling, present the poll of how many people want public funding of abortions with tax money.
I know where the church is on Contraception. I also know where the vast majority of Catholics are on the subject.
I do appreciate you pointing me toward Canon Law though. If you only knew the irony.
You must require an extension ladder to mount the high horse you’re on the last couple of days. You probably think the song is about you too.
Comment by A guy Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 1:42 pm
Demo,
What you’re suggesting is something that might be very difficult usually, but far less so now. I’m not sure of what Gov. Quinn would have done or signed that is any less disagreeable to me than what this Governor has done and signed. I suppose the biggest difference is that I knew and had personal good feelings for Pat and his family. I also never doubted his sincerity, even when I knew he was just wrong.
I’m a precinct captain. Hopefully it doesn’t come to leaving a spot blank. I won’t work against this Governor. I just won’t work for him. If there’s another choice in a primary, I’ll evaluate whether to work for the person and/or vote for the person. Just need to see who emerges. I’d love to support someone whole-heartedly.
Won’t vote for any of the current crop on the Dem side.
Sadly, I may have to leave the space blank. What an awful shame.
Comment by A guy Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 1:50 pm
Guy, as a Rauner supporter, you are complicit in his squeeze the beast tactics to deliberately not pay his bills that shut down homeless shelters, rape crisis centers, rehab centers, etc.
Now you’re outraged? Welcome to the party.
See you at the cafeteria, I mean church.
Comment by wordslinger Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 1:51 pm
====Taxpayer funding of abortions is unfair.===
Yes, in exactly the same way that taxpayer funding of capital punishment is “unfair.”==
We agree.
==abortion is unfair….in the case of sexual assault or rape? ==
We agree.
Abortion should be used for what it was intended, medical emergency needs and to protect crime victims. Not to select a child’s gender, (most aborted humans are female), or not to select a child’s race, (most aborted humans are African- Americans).
Comment by VanillaMan Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 2:39 pm
Adding to V-Man,
I’ll entertain all of your legitimate exceptions that deal with rape, incest, and the health of the mother.
It’s the other 98% of them that are for the reasons V Man suggested or just for “convenience”.
Ironically, people used to be very accustomed to paying for their own convenience.
Comment by A guy Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 2:55 pm
===(most aborted humans are female)===
Where do you get your data, VM?
Honest question, I didn’t know that this info was collected and available.
Comment by 47th Ward Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 3:07 pm
Selective abortion is a subset of eugenics. Can’t be argued.
Appreciate V-mans good words, today.
Comment by cdog Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 3:50 pm
I’m with Word @11:37 — Where was all this outrage as Rauner systematically gutted the social services network on which the least advantaged and most vulnerable among us depend? Why didn’t/don’t these lives matter? Why is it suddenly “shocking” that Rauner lied to a clergyman when he clearly lies to anyone and everyone? I understand it really hurts when it’s your ox that gets gored, but now you know how so many, many people have been treated since Rauner’s been in office.
Comment by Flapdoodle Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 4:10 pm
==Selective abortion is a subset of eugenics. Can’t be argued.==
No. Eugenics is simply the study of the possibilities for improving the species. It is not necessarily a practice, but even when it is, the practice of eugenics doesn’t take place at the individual level. It’s the perversion of eugenics at the government level that has led to its evil reputation: forced birth for some, forced sterilization of others, etc.
Comment by yinn Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 4:31 pm
==Where was all this outrage as Rauner systematically gutted the social services network on which the least advantaged and most vulnerable among us depend?==
Has the Cardinal supported Rauner’s destruction of social services? He’s pro-life, right? This argument doesn’t hold up. At all. This is about the Cardinal, right? Being lied to? He doesn’t fit your accusation.
Comment by VanillaMan Friday, Sep 29, 17 @ 5:17 pm