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*** UPDATED x1 - DGA responds *** Republican governors “thank” Madigan in new Rauner ad

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* Gov. Rauner’s campaign has a new ad featuring Republican governors from three neighboring states (Missouri, Indiana and Wisconsin) thanking House Speaker Michael Madigan for sending jobs their way

* Script…

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker: We want to say ‘Thank you.’

Indiana Gov. Eric Holcomb: Thanks, Mike Madigan.

Missouri Gov. Eric Greitens: Thank you.

Walker: For raising Illinois taxes.

Greitens: For blocking Rauner’s reforms.

Holcomb: And helping create new jobs in Indiana.

Walker: In Wisconsin.

Greitens: In Missouri.

Walker: Our economy’s on fire.

Greitens: We’re growing good jobs.

Holcomb: And we’re growing union jobs faster than Illinois.

Walker: So, we owe you.

Greitens: Huge.

Holcomb: Hoosiers love you, Mike Madigan.

Walker: Cheeseheads love you, Madigan.

Greitens: Big fans here in Missouri. Bigtime. Thank you, Mike.

Holcomb: Thanks, Mike.

Overlay: Stop Mike Madigan.

…Adding… As noted elsewhere, Rauner contributed $100,000 to Greitens’ campaign last year and gave $100,000 to Holcomb’s campaign about the same time.

*** UPDATE ***  From the DGA…

The Democratic Governors Association, through spokesman Sam Salustro, releases the following statement in response to Governor Bruce Rauner’s new TV ad featuring governors who received substantial donations from Rauner:

“It’s appropriate the only governor not on screen is Bruce Rauner, who has abdicated his leadership position for nearly three years now. Illinois is losing jobs and people because Bruce Rauner forced the state to go through a two-year budget crisis that set the state back years financially and slowed the state’s economy.

“The fact is: Bruce Rauner’s economic policies have been the best thing that’s ever happened to Illinois’ neighbors.”

posted by Rich Miller
Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 9:56 am

Comments

  1. They neglect to say how Illinois still pays higher wages than they do, we’re still not a right-to-work state they are.
    They also forget to say how their social services are not on par with the state of Illinois. And I don’t see droves of people moving to their states because of the standard of living.

    Figures Rauner would have to get failed Republican Governors from our neighboring states to support him and his failed agenda

    Comment by Honeybadger Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 9:59 am

  2. Don’t these governors have better things to do in their own states?

    Comment by Chicago_Downstater Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:01 am

  3. So these governors are pleased that, allegedly, they have taken jobs from Illinois due to Madigan, but they are cutting an ad for a guy who wants to stop Madigan?

    Somebody didn’t think this one through.

    Comment by Gooner Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:01 am

  4. Funny and lite hearted ad. I give it an A. Dems need to help the middle class and business when it comes to taxes.

    Comment by Rocky Rosi Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:02 am

  5. This is a great ad, no matter how much you dislike Rauner on this blog. It resonates with Illinois voters. If only Rauner’s political staff was as competent as his official staff and the governor himself.

    Comment by Almost the Weekend Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:02 am

  6. They should be thanking Rauner for all the new higher ed students from IL.

    Comment by MSIX Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:02 am

  7. I hope they didn’t include this in the A2 HQ bid package.

    Comment by The Way I See It Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:04 am

  8. =If only Rauner’s political staff was as competent as his official staff and the governor himself.=

    Rauner and competent do not belong in the same sentence.

    Comment by MSIX Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:04 am

  9. Good ad if you don’t have a problem with shameless dishonesty. Everyone on here at least knows Rauner never submitted a balanced budget and the income tax increase, which we all know he wanted, was about equal to the budget hole he left after bloating spending above Quinn levels.

    But why be serious when you can blame your ineptitude on a 75-yr old man who leads the weaker branch of government.

    Comment by Chris P. Bacon Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:04 am

  10. At the end of the day, Wisconsin you will still be our playground, Indiana our armpit, and Missouri…well I got nothing for them but you get my point.

    These states only exist because of the Chicago Metro…shoot I did it again with Missouri. Ok the Missouri Gov really ties the ad together.

    Comment by Come on Man! Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:04 am

  11. I’d like to thank Mike Madigan for helping to providing me a considerably lower tax burden than I had behind the cheddar curtain.

    Comment by AC Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:04 am

  12. This is good. Funny but not in a laugh out loud way, just funny that they actually got these other governors involved. This should play well to his audience. Its also coherent and to the point.

    Comment by Reaganing Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:05 am

  13. How this helps Rauner’s 63% disapproval is troubling, given three neighboring governors are in essence saying Bruce Rauner is so grossly inept Rauner can’t do anything and can’t get anything done.

    So, in realty, Rauner put out an ad saying Rauner is incompetent and can’t get anything done…

    ===BAIER: So what would be different in a second term?===

    Right? Exactly Right.

    But, there is a silver lining for Raunerites…

    The grossly inept Democrats as a whole will just let this go, let this run, thinking, as I do I guess, that this won’t help Rauner with that 63% disapproval and making Rauner look foolish by the sounds of these other governors…

    … but it will try to push Madigan numbers again, as a sidebar to Rauner, and try to taint anything they can with Madigan.

    So, no worry. This will be left unanswered. History tells me so.

    Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:06 am

  14. ==They neglect to say how Illinois still pays higher wages than they do==

    Considering our higher cost of living, I certainly hope our wages are higher.

    Comment by City Zen Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:07 am

  15. thanking mike for turning the govenor into a failure, far out

    Comment by Rabid Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:08 am

  16. Where are these governors on redistricting?

    Comment by Anonymous Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:08 am

  17. “Thanks Mike Madigan, compared to Bruce Rauner, I look like the greatest, most successful Governor in America. Keep it up!”

    Comment by 47th Ward Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:09 am

  18. How many jobs did these three states lose from 2006 and 2009? And, how many jobs have been created since?

    Comment by Anonymous Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:10 am

  19. Why wouldn’t Governors of other states WANT to keep Mike Madigan then? More jobs for them for their citizens, and an easier business climate to do business in their states should be what they’re concerned about not Illinois doing any better than where they are now.

    Comment by OurMagician Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:11 am

  20. Missouri has ten income tax brackets and takes 6 percent of your income if you make a paltry &9,074 per year. Let that sink in.

    Wisconsin has four income tax brackets and will take 7.,65 percent of your income in the top bracket (earnings of $247,350).

    Indiana’s state flat rate of 3.23 percent is lower than ours, but when you add in the county-level income tax it’s higher in pretty much every county.

    It took me all of two minutes on Google to find these figures. I expect Dems to counter this lying add in 3…2…1… Uh, hello? Is anyone listening?

    Comment by Nick Name Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:14 am

  21. Bad-Mouthin’ Bruce and his ankle-bitin’ friends.

    Look out Hoosier Holcomb, Big Bad Biker
    Bruce said he’s gonna rip your guts out. And you know he keeps his word.

    Perhaps these snake-oil “job creators” with their economies on fire could provide an ETA on when they expect their state to achieve half of Illinois’ GDP, or 60% of its number of employed.

    Hint: Never gonna happen.

    Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:17 am

  22. Perfidy pals

    Comment by Honeybear Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:18 am

  23. I’m not a political strategist or expert, but is inviting a bunch of neighboring governors in to dump on the state *you’ve* been running for nearly three years really the best idea?

    Even if you are part of the “Blame Madigan” crowd, are you really enthused about Rauner being able to do anything about it, given the whole lot of nothing he has accomplished to date?

    Comment by Anonymous Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:23 am

  24. ==Walker: Our economy’s on fire.==

    I hope that’s not like the Peshtigo fire.

    Comment by AC Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:24 am

  25. (forgot nickname)

    I’m not a political strategist or expert, but is inviting a bunch of neighboring governors in to dump on the state *you’ve* been running for nearly three years really the best idea?

    Even if you are part of the “Blame Madigan” crowd, are you really enthused about Rauner being able to do anything about it, given the whole lot of nothing he has accomplished to date?

    Comment by ChicagoVinny Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:24 am

  26. While I don’t dispute Nickname’s facts, they don’t matter when voters are looking around their communities and seeing closed stores and restaurants and more and more neighbors with homes in disrepair. Most voters are smart enough to not blame Madigan for these issues, but they probably cannot think of any positive economic initiative coming from the House under his leadership either.

    Comment by Swift Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:25 am

  27. That is one of the best campaign ads I’ve ever seen. Effective; witty; draws blood.

    You can complain about the veracity of the claims all you want. That has nothing to do with the effectiveness.

    Well done…whoever did it.

    Comment by My Kind of Town Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:25 am

  28. This…isn’t going to be a very effective ad. It’s a bunch of politicians that nobody knows poor mouthing the state to get at a guy who’s not even running against Rauner. It’s good trolling, but that doesn’t always win you votes.

    Comment by Arsenal Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:25 am

  29. Hey Scott - Illinois wants to thank you for getting a state so gerrymandered that even SCOTUS had to take a closer look at it.

    Comment by Name Withheld Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:27 am

  30. If Madigan were running for Governor, this would be a terrific ad.

    However this ad also tees up Rauner up for a “four years of failure” response from Pritzker.

    Re-elect Rauner and we get another four years of failure and gridlock.

    Comment by Hamlet's Ghost Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:30 am

  31. This ad says “let me finish the job that I was never able to start”. At some point Rauner has to be able to offer a compelling reason to re-elect him for four more years beyond “Madigan”.

    Comment by Pundent Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:35 am

  32. This ad is conceptually ingenious and extremely well executed. These guys are top notch. It’s effective and maintains the narrative that everyone around us is doing well, and we’re not.

    People who see this will mostly agree with it. If Rauner were smart, he’d stay home and let this crew take care of all of the communications.

    Comment by A guy Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:37 am

  33. Another thought - if the election were in two weeks (November 7, 2017)- this would be a very good ad. Maybe this ad was released 51 weeks too early.

    Comment by Hamlet's Ghost Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:37 am

  34. “That is one of the best campaign ads I’ve ever seen.”

    Nope, not even close. MJM is not going to be on the ballot against the Gov — MJM will be a candidate in the 22nd House District.

    While many voters have an opinion on MJM the old saying that voters hate congress but love their congressman in still in play.

    Comment by We'll See Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:37 am

  35. ===It’s effective and maintains the narrative that everyone around us is doing well, and we’re not.==•

    “Pat Quinn failed”

    This ad is saying “Bruce Rauner failed”… As… “everyone around us is doing well, and we’re not.”

    This isn’t a door you should want to open as an incumbent governor.

    “We fail, our neighbor state governors say we fail. But Madigan”

    … and Rauner sits at 63% disapproval.

    Dangerous game of chicken. Could backfire.

    But, Dems as a whole will let it slide…

    “It’s what they do”

    Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:41 am

  36. ===It’s effective and maintains the narrative that everyone around us is doing well, and we’re not.===

    Lol. I had a feeling you’d like this one too.

    Another way to look at this is that Rauner is inept, that a diminutive septuagenarian grandfather has out-worked, out-smarted and out-maneuvered the hapless Governor. It reinforces that Rauner is a failure, don’t you think?

    And compounding the issue, doesn’t this make finding any compromise in the General Assembly impossible? How does Rauner plan to salvage his final year in office?

    But as long as it gets a good chuckle, right?

    Comment by 47th Ward Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:44 am

  37. It’s also playing with parochial fire, to bring in out-of-staters to trash the state.

    Gov, I thought IL was worth fighting for?

    Comment by Arsenal Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:45 am

  38. Honey bear- but unlike those horrible states you refer too- Illinois is the only one facing a fiscal catastrophe

    Comment by Sue Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:48 am

  39. ==Another way to look at this is that Rauner is inept,===

    This is true 47. You’re one who has looked at it just this way. My question to you is “how much company are you going to have viewing it like you do?”
    That would be vs. the people who view it as a confirmation from 3 neighboring governors that MJM is the one responsible?

    Don’t confuse my appreciation for the development of this ad and brilliant execution with support. It’s an excellent ad.

    Comment by A guy Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:50 am

  40. Holcomb: And we’re growing union jobs faster than Illinois.

    Huh? Get rid of madigan, and we get more union jobs?

    Comment by Langhorne Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:52 am

  41. Holcomb: And we’re growing union jobs faster than Illinois.

    Huh? Get rid of madigan, and we get more union jobs?

    Comment by Langhorne Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:52 am

  42. The problem is, this really isn’t snark. They are doing this as a favor to the party, but our neighboring states love themselves Madigan and this Illinois dysfunction.

    Comment by Ahoy! Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:53 am

  43. “And thank you Bruce Rauner, for giving me $100k before I cut this ad.”

    Comment by Boone's is Back Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:53 am

  44. Perhaps one of the Democratic front runners would like to start running against Rauner early and respond to this ad bragging about Rauner’s failures?

    Comment by Aldyth Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:55 am

  45. ===It’s an excellent ad.===

    It almost makes up for yesterday’s roll-out ad that re-used four year old video. Lol. Yep, Rauner should outsource all of his communications to this team so we can learn again why Pat Quinn was a failure.

    2014 called. It wants its video back.

    Comment by 47th Ward Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:56 am

  46. - Sue @ 10:48 -
    “Illinois is the only one facing a fiscal catastrophe”

    When the newly Gov advocated for the sunset on the 5% income tax and legislators called his bluff and obliged him, the “catastrophe” heightened under his watch.

    Comment by We'll See Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:57 am

  47. Did Holcomb forget this???

    “Believe me, I am going to rip — try to rip the economic guts out of Indiana,” he told the newspaper. “I am one of the baddest, you know, enemies anybody can have. And when I set a goal, we do it. I don’t care what the headline is. I want the results. And we’re coming after Indiana big time. But you know what, we’re going to do it on our terms, the right way.”

    https://tinyurl.com/y7cp8ftf

    Comment by Anon221 Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 10:58 am

  48. “. . . confirmation from 3 neighboring governors that MJM is the one responsible . . . ”

    Of course the neighboring governors want Rauner to be re-elected. Four more years of IL failure & gridlock would be good for IN, WI & MO.

    Comment by Hamlet's Ghost Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 11:02 am

  49. The wages paid in neighboring states are lower, but so is the cost of living. When your groceries, utilities and gasoline cost less, you will find people who can manage on a smaller paycheck without complaining. If the government delivers constituent services more efficiently that is a plus too.

    Comment by Anonymous Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 11:16 am

  50. Not to mention Iowa and Michigan. Sigh.

    Comment by A guy Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 11:16 am

  51. Two days, two great ads designed to turn the huge ship Rauner around. A few more of these please!

    Comment by Louis G Atsaves Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 11:16 am

  52. Welp, Rauner just won IL-17 with that ad.

    Comment by JohnDeereMade Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 11:16 am

  53. ==“Believe me, I am going to rip — try to rip the economic guts out of Indiana,” he told the newspaper. “I am one of the baddest, you know, enemies anybody can have. And when I set a goal, we do it. I don’t care what the headline is. I want the results. And we’re coming after Indiana big time. But you know what, we’re going to do it on our terms, the right way.”==

    Holcomb didn’t forget, he just correctly noticed that it was the weeniest TUFF GUY talk ever put in print. He only said it when pressed, he stumbled over his words, he added in so many qualifiers. Rauner might as well have given himself a wedgie.

    Comment by Arsenal Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 11:18 am

  54. We’ll See- yea we were doing just fine before Rauner. Illinois fiscal problems are 40 years in the making and a Governor Pritzker backed by the public sector unions and Mike Madugan will just send more people and jobs to our neighboring States. Rauner is inept but he identified the problems you Dems want to perpetuate

    Comment by Sue Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 11:18 am

  55. Sue you mean Honeybadger. I’m honeybear
    Honeybadger don’t care. Honeybadger don’t give sh&$
    Honeybear cares intensely

    Comment by Honeybear Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 11:20 am

  56. ===Welp, Rauner just won IL-17 with that ad.===

    lol, If Rauner needed that ad to secure that congressional district then things are more dire then first reported… hilarious.

    ===Two days, two great ads designed to turn the huge ship Rauner around===

    Still signed HB40, allowing taxpayer funded abortions, signed sanctuary state legislation, hurt social services, crippled higher education, increased the state debt by over $15+ billion, and not one budget signed by Rauner since taking the oath.

    ===BAIER: So what would be different in a second term?===

    But, by all means, these two ads…

    Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 11:22 am

  57. Mr. Willy, dontcha know much about this her district? My daddy, me and my boy are all union proud but things are changin for the worst. Ms. Bustos keeps awinnin but no changes.

    Ms. Clinton won here. Not sure if Rauner did, but that ad will raise hairs round here. People leaving for Iowa by the hour.

    Comment by JohnDeereMade Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 11:29 am

  58. Guy, Iowa, along with Nebraska and South
    Dakota, were in recession — GDP shrinkage of more than 3% — 1st quarter 16 to 1st quarter 17 due to dependence on ag commodities.

    Curiously, their governors and legislatures have done nothing about international commodity deflation.

    Comment by wordslinger Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 11:34 am

  59. ==yea we were doing just fine before Rauner==

    OK, but now we’re after Rauner and none of those problems are solved. At some point, ya’ll are gonna have to engage with the fact that Rauner’s been governor for 3 years and has nothing to show for it.

    Comment by Arsenal Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 11:36 am

  60. Highlights Rauner failures and proves he idolizes states when average incomes $5 to 10K lower
    No thanks GovJunk

    Comment by Annonin' Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 11:38 am

  61. Rauner is a working class man of the people who also is a corporate union buster and has other union busters speaking for him.

    Wisconsin’s economy is not “on fire,” having posted job losses in four months, between March-September 2017. The same thing happened with Indiana. So Scott Walker is flat-out lying.

    Minnesota, Colorado and California have had fewer recent months with job losses.

    Any time Democrats want to seize on this, don’t let anyone stop you. It’s really not that hard to do.

    Comment by Grandson of Man Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 11:39 am

  62. @Nick Name - Don’t forget Missouri, Indiana, and Wisconsin also tax retirement income.

    Comment by City Zen Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 11:43 am

  63. Why not have mothers of autistic children, mothers who depend on state aid for daycare, and mothers who have lost children to addiction give their own thank you video to Rauner for the work he’s done?

    Comment by QCLib Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 11:50 am

  64. ==the “catastrophe” heightened under his watch.==

    So you admit catastrophe was a pre-existing condition?

    Comment by City Zen Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 12:03 pm

  65. Arsenal- there is no getting around it but the pension obligations are akin to a giant vacuum sucking up every new revenue dollar. Goes a long way to explain to QC Lib why there is no money to spend on social services. And as the actuaries have told us- it only gets worse from here. Every taxpayer in Illinois is working to fund pension beneficiaries at every level of State and local government. Just ask Preckwinkle

    Comment by Sue Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 12:05 pm

  66. If I know anything about IL, it’s that our voters love Scott Walker and Eric Greitens

    Comment by MissingG Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 12:16 pm

  67. It’s not failure to lead. It’s failure to be led. Mike Madigan has been in charge of Illinois for decades. Reform needs to happen. Going back to the good old days of a Democratic Governor AND Madigan/Cullerton isn’t the answer.

    Comment by DP Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 12:24 pm

  68. ===It’s not failure to lead. It’s failure to be led.===

    lol.

    Working to get legislators on board for any governor, speaker, senate president… It’s like herding cats.

    You think on why they say that and why Rauner can’t get 60 and 30, then get back to us.

    “… It’s failure to be led… ”

    For the love of Pete

    “Because… herding cats”

    Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 12:27 pm

  69. Everyone don’t be so hard on Scott Walker. He might have just paid a state ransom to help Illinoisans who live near the Wisconsin border get a lot of jobs.

    Comment by ZC Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 12:29 pm

  70. Sue 0 for 2 today. Only 12% of the pension debt goes to beneficiaries. The rest of it, the majority is debt service then the lowering of the assumptions and then unexpected.
    But go ahead and keep blaming the good people who work every day for this state.

    Comment by Honeybear Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 12:38 pm

  71. Honeybear, this honeybadger cares tremendously. I think Rauner has decimated our state. Honeybear, I’m with you 1000%.

    Comment by Honeybadger Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 12:50 pm

  72. Tone deaf ad puts the callous, uncompassionate corporate GOP on full display. They apparently have no shame that they would willingly watch neighbors suffer if it means more power for their own party. Nothing about this ad makes me like Rauner’s ILGOP more.

    Comment by Anon312 Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 1:07 pm

  73. “I have failed as Governor and here are three other governors you are barely aware of to tell you why. Please re-elect me.”

    Anyway, they couldn’t land Reynolds, Bevin and Snyder too (all border state GOP govs)? More failure

    Comment by Joe Bidenopolous Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 1:30 pm

  74. Honeybear and Honeybadger….get a Honeyroom.
    lol

    Comment by A guy Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 2:16 pm

  75. Sue, like the governor, you can explain away all day why there is no money. But all I can hear is the crying of a mother who lost her son to addiction because Rauner wouldn’t work with the GA to pass a budget.

    These are real lives, not a political point. And this governor spent two years saying they don’t matter.

    Comment by QCLib Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 2:38 pm

  76. Biss and Kennedy should join in on the right to work Pro Trump Republican Governors commercial. If Mike Madigan is the one that kept us from the Scott Walker anti worker and anti education agenda then signed me up for two more years.

    Comment by Trump love Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 2:53 pm

  77. -A guy @2:16pm:

    We’d make Honeybees. lol

    Comment by Honeybadger Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 3:46 pm

  78. ===My daddy, me and my boy are all union proud but things are changin for the worst===

    Union proud … and you support Rauner?

    You need more help than you think…

    Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Oct 24, 17 @ 6:33 pm

  79. Walker failed to mention out tax rate is still less than WI.

    Comment by Jerry Wednesday, Oct 25, 17 @ 9:03 am

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