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* The sponsor of this bill, Rep. Marty Moylan, is facing a contested race next year against a very pro-gun Republican opponent. Just something to keep in mind…
Only 48 votes on Moylan’s bump stock ban that opponents said went way too far, would criminalize many legit gun owners pic.twitter.com/R6ZuZQxCjD
— Bernie Schoenburg (@bschoenburg) October 26, 2017
This bill wasn’t necessarily designed to pass.
* The synopsis…
Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Provides that no person may acquire or possess any pre-packaged explosive components within this State without having in his or her possession a Firearm Owner’s Identification Card previously issued in his or her name by the Department of State Police. Amends the Criminal Code of 2012. Prohibits the knowing sale, manufacture, purchase, possession, or carrying of a trigger modification device. Defines “trigger modification device”. Creates the offense of unlawful sale or delivery of pre-packaged explosive components. Defines “pre-packaged explosive components”. Establishes penalties for these offenses. Effective immediately.
* From the debate…
IL House debating HB4117, which bans bump stocks (used by Vegas shoter) but also any other trigger devices that accelerate rate of fire.
— Amanda Vinicky (@AmandaVinicky) October 26, 2017
Downstate Democratic Rep. Jerry Costello II says it's be a class 2 felony to own many of his own guns (think he said 40%) under the bill
— Amanda Vinicky (@AmandaVinicky) October 26, 2017
Opponents, including Rep. Costello, D-Smithton, say language too broad, would apply to gun owners who change a spring or add a new trigger. https://t.co/uwjzNfwNf0
— Monique Garcia (@moniquegarcia) October 26, 2017
Costello's district includes the World Shooting Complex in Sparta, says it would criminalize competition shooters and hurt local economy. https://t.co/0Nq9VkA9oR
— Monique Garcia (@moniquegarcia) October 26, 2017
Some Republicans say they’d support a ban on bump stocks, but not this bill, which also bans other trigger modifications. https://t.co/kiaMleiSDj
— Brian Mackey (@BrianMackey) October 26, 2017
…Adding… Monique…
Changing gun laws typically is a tough sell in Illinois. The state is politically fractured along geographical lines, with city and some suburban lawmakers calling for tighter restrictions as those from Downstate push back.
Detractors called for action on a competing bill backed by Rep. Barbara Wheeler, R-Crystal Lake, that would only ban bump stocks, not other devices. That bill has the support of the Illinois State Rifle Association.
“The language in the actual bill matters,” said Rep. Mark Batnick, R-Plainfield. “If you want to address the issue, let’s address the issue in a thoughtful, bipartisan manner.”
Following the vote, Moylan said he was willing to consider narrowing the proposal to win more support, but argued the bill pushed by Republicans did not go far enough.
“We’re not going to dilute it so it’s not effective,” Moylan said.
*** UPDATE *** Chris Kennedy campaign…
Illinois needs a common sense ban on bump stocks. These devices turn weapons into mass killing machines. Everyday in Illinois, we are losing our fellow citizens to gun violence. Springfield needs to rise above politics to stop the slaughter. Now is the time for immediate action. Governor Rauner and the General Assembly must pursue this public safety measure to protect the people of Illinois from gun violence.
posted by Rich Miller
Thursday, Oct 26, 17 @ 12:45 pm
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Expected this one would fail and the GOP bill would be the one to pass so they did something.
Comment by RNUG Thursday, Oct 26, 17 @ 12:59 pm
Poor Rep Costello 40% of your guns would be illegal! The horrors!! Why that would only leave 60% of your guns left to play act as a tough guy with!!
Comment by Natty_B Thursday, Oct 26, 17 @ 1:10 pm
McAulliffe voting no on this and present yesterday on the right to work bill will not help his campaign. The Dems have a better chance against him now.
Comment by City Thursday, Oct 26, 17 @ 1:39 pm
This bill was designed to let Chicago Dems vote yes & Southern IL Dems vote no so they can campaign on it.
McAuliffe voting no instead of Present or NV looks like an unexpected surprise for the Dems. If you live in that district, expect to see at least 10 mailers that have Mike McAuliffe’s & Stephen Paddock’s faces side by side.
Comment by Grand Avenue Thursday, Oct 26, 17 @ 1:46 pm
=This bill wasn’t necessarily designed to pass.=
=This bill was designed to let Chicago Dems vote yes & Southern IL Dems vote no so they can campaign on it.=
This should be the stuff that really upsets the gun control crow. If you’re someone who passionately wants to see some new gun control measures, quit screaming about the NRA and downstate lawmakers, and instead go have a chat with the supposed pro gun control allies you have in the legislature. They could have passed a bump stock ban, everyone was well aware of what the concerns were in this bill. But the supposed gun control crowd pushed this instead knowing full well of the eventual result. Who is your enemy? The people who voted no, or the people who ran this bill just to make people believe that they tried to “do something”.
Comment by m Thursday, Oct 26, 17 @ 1:59 pm
Just wondering; why would a random gun owner have trigger mods on “40% of his guns?” Am I missing something in the definition?
Comment by Arthur Andersen Thursday, Oct 26, 17 @ 3:55 pm
Arthur
The bill written is incredibly vague as to what constitutes a trigger mod. So put a lighter aftermarket trigger in (which is pretty common actually) & you can run afoul of the law. Replace a broken spring w a different one of varying pressure & you can run afoul. It was pretty broad.
Customizing triggers & actions is pretty common especially as modern rifles don’t require a gunsmith to do it. So joe citizen can do it himself for a 100$.
Comment by Mason born Thursday, Oct 26, 17 @ 4:17 pm
## Everyday in Illinois, we are losing our fellow citizens to gun violence. ##
no, we are losing citizens to violent people with guns…handguns to be exact. Bumpstocks are irrelevant to that conversation.
Comment by Toast Thursday, Oct 26, 17 @ 4:30 pm
There is a very high likelihood bump stocks will be banned nationwide as influential Republicans and even the NRA think they should be banned or subjected to additional regulations.
Comment by Lucky Pierre Thursday, Oct 26, 17 @ 4:33 pm
Poorly written bill which overly criminalizes behavior that would have passed but for being poorly written fails. Feels like I’m experiencing deja vu from the Right to Work bill yesterday. Gee, what do they have in common? The author perhaps?
Comment by Ron Burgundy Thursday, Oct 26, 17 @ 4:33 pm
The use of a bump stock is not the reason for the massacre. Banning them, or modifications to triggers does not address the core reason of why these things occur. We need to continue looking into his background and that of his family and associates and find what bred his desire.
Comment by FormerParatrooper Thursday, Oct 26, 17 @ 4:52 pm
Mason, thanks. Think I have a pistol out of compliance with this bill. If it passes at some point, AA Jr. is gonna get a nice Christmas present.
Comment by Arthur Andersen Thursday, Oct 26, 17 @ 5:00 pm
-AA-
I know I have a revolver with a reworked trigger for target shooting.
Comment by RNUG Thursday, Oct 26, 17 @ 6:29 pm
No problem Arthur. I’m not even sure how i could get back into compliance. Even an oem trigger might ne smoother then the original. Is that in compliance?
Comment by Mason born Thursday, Oct 26, 17 @ 7:26 pm
Nasty- maybe Costello has older, repaired or serviced guns. I have a 100 year old double barrel shotgun with trigger repair and state police couldn’t assure me it would still be legal. The bill was that vague.
Comment by Motambe Thursday, Oct 26, 17 @ 10:12 pm
“Costello’s district includes the World Shooting Complex in Sparta, says it would criminalize competition shooters and hurt local economy.
Costello is a cop and “go to” guy as the “police expert” on gun bills. In other words, he tells the other Reps. what the police unions would like in gun bills. Which makes about as much sense as conducting a poll to see if police approve of jury trials or free speech.
The Illinois good old boys would sell out their own mothers and every NRA member in America to keep Sparta open. They already did that in Rep. Brandon Phelps concealed carry bill. After Phelps handed over everything the police unions wanted and the kitchen sink in his 2013 concealed carry bill in deals brokered by his then inseparable sidekick Todd Vandermyde, they promised the gun hicks they would “improve” the carry bill, if they could just get it past those anti-gun Chicago politicians.
Then Phelps and Vandermyde snuck through SB836 on the last Sunday in May 2015, stiffing NRA members with gun seizure language written by the State Police, who were not allowing gun and ammo sales for out of state competitors at Sparta.
Presto, the con game continues: NRA & NRA funded legislators sell out their own members, next send out fundraising letters about how they are “fighting” for “your God-given rights.” Step right up and buy a bottle of Chris Cox NRA-ILA Dr. Feelgood, it’ll fix your gun rights aches and pains.
NRA would go out of business tomorrow if their members didn’t have the I.Q. of a turnip.
Comment by Anonymous Friday, Oct 27, 17 @ 12:45 am
If HB 4117 was designed to fail it clearly worked. It also worked for those of us who belong to the ISRA and NRA. It shows our members the gun control crowd is not about so called “common sense” regulations, but about confiscation and ultimately undermining the 2nd Amendment. Thanks Bloomberg and thanks Moylan.
Comment by Rod Friday, Oct 27, 17 @ 5:37 am