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Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 5:42 pm
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Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:00 pm
Quincy-what a surprise first question.
Comment by Arthur Andersen Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:04 pm
Rauner failed…
This will be a theme.
Rauner tries to rehab the handling of Quincy… attacks the attacks.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:05 pm
Pritzker offers very generic answers early, which, thankfully, should be more than enough.
Rauner is just the worst.
Comment by AlfondoGonz Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:07 pm
Pritzker tries to deflect property taxes… yikes.
Rauner goes after Pritzker on “fraud and corruption” and gors criminal…
Fundamental error by Pritzker Crew becomes easy target
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:07 pm
The toilet answer was not handled well. After all this time JB still babbling “I did nothing wrong”.
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:08 pm
Pritzker unloads on “failures”…ticking off many
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:08 pm
I don;t get Rauner’s “the supermajority could have fixed my catastrophic mistake” argument.
1. That’s deeply misleading
2. Why leave it to the “supermajotity” to clean up?
Oh, right. “I’m not in charge.”
Comment by AlfondoGonz Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:09 pm
JB hammering home Bruce Rauner failed.
Comment by Ole' Nelson Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:10 pm
Rauner wants rollback of taxes… no real plan to why.
Pritzker goes after tax system… Rauner interrupts, laughs,
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:10 pm
Rauner shoulda kept quiet. His broadside gave JB a chance to break from toilets to talk about Rauner’s failures.
Comment by Arthur Andersen Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:11 pm
Thank you Craig Wall. Boom.
Comment by Responsa Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:11 pm
Rauner has crazy eyes. Seems like a man being forced to face his own failure.
Comment by Ole' Nelson Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:12 pm
Fundamental error of not mentioning rates… Rauner steps on easy hit by interrupting.
Can’t talk policy that requires specifics
Pritzker looks to be searching for answers.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:13 pm
Looks like BTIA(TM) figured out this time they could use their phones to send tweets during a debate rather than watch “Family Guy” reruns. Even the louie guv is in on the act.
Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:13 pm
JB following Edgar’s advice on tax rates.
Comment by Arthur Andersen Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:13 pm
Never understood why the Pritzker Crew went here without rates to make due.
Yikes.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:14 pm
Rauner now coming off angry, not pleased to talk about himself.
Throws racism, Rod, not holding anything back.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:16 pm
Rauner is flailing. JB isn’t saying anything.
Comment by AlfondoGonz Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:16 pm
Pritzker seems a bit off-rhythm…. talks about creating jobs.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:17 pm
Rauner is almost out of breath…
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:17 pm
Both have accused the other of lying, and both are correct.
It’s doubtful that Democrats in the General Assembly would vote for a graduated income tax hike on Joe Sixpack, while a millionaires’ surtax would get support from almost all Democrats and zero Republicans.
Rauner grew up in affluent Deerfield, not exactly a blue collar ‘burb.
Comment by anon2 Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:18 pm
Angry Bruce is unlikable.
Comment by Arthur Andersen Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:19 pm
Pritzker answers money question in politics real well… better than i thought.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:19 pm
Moderators so far are doing a pretty darn good job of focusing on the hardball questions I want answered and managing the time limits.
Comment by Responsa Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:19 pm
Rauner talks about “spends the most usually loses”
“Trust fund baby, Rod”, angry, angry, angry…
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:21 pm
Rauner goes property taxes… “Scheme to Defraud”
Own oppo error.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:22 pm
Inherited wealth is a bad thing, Bruce? Then why do Republicans want to abolish the estate tax? Why is their President a trust fund baby?
Comment by anon2 Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:22 pm
JB should hit Rauner with his three homestead exemptions for years, which also cheated the retired teacher in Cook County.
Comment by anon2 Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:24 pm
Pritzker… “abide by the rules”… Rauner interrupts, ruining the point.
Rauner giving no breathing room.
Rauner lists “criminal” issues.
Pritzker… goes Willowbrook issue.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:24 pm
Rauner accuses Pritzker of trying to buy the office.
Can’t make that stuff up.
Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:24 pm
I don’t get the leaked memo defense from JB. Seems to make him look guilty to me.
Comment by Ole' Nelson Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:24 pm
Correct, JB didn’t answer Rauner’s question.
Comment by Arthur Andersen Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:24 pm
I can’t imagine anyone watching this likes either of these guys.
That means Rauner loses.
Comment by AlfondoGonz Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:25 pm
Hes almost crying
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:26 pm
You can’t tell the truth. If that isn’t the pot calling the kettle black I don’t know what is
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:26 pm
Pritzker gets Rauner talking quick again… Rauner trying to seem removed.
Pritzker making point with Willowbrook
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:26 pm
Alan K. doing a nice job.
Comment by AlfondoGonz Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:26 pm
Hmmm…haven’t we seen documents here that say Rauner still has an interest in Sterigenics?
Comment by Arthur Andersen Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:27 pm
lol both sides accuse the other of “politicizing” issues. It’s an election dudes. We get it. Answer the questions.
Comment by Responsa Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:27 pm
Bruce Rauner doesn’t own Steriogenics. The company was sold in 2015
Is JB responsible for every action of every company he has an indirect investment in?
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:28 pm
Rauner gives answer on guns, talks gun trafficing.
Pritzker - veto of 72 hour hold. Budget - programs hurt to gun violence.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:29 pm
“Supermajority” budget answer by Rsuner makes Rauner look weak.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:30 pm
So far, i have a “draw”… that doesn’t help Rauner.
Property tax hit(s) on Pritzker keeps Rauner in play.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:32 pm
LP, if that’s true, why did he list it on his 2018 economic interest statement?
Comment by Arthur Andersen Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:32 pm
–Bruce Rauner doesn’t own Steriogenics. The company was sold in 2015–
What “company was sold in 2015?”
Are you pretending you know what you’re talking about here?
Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:33 pm
Rauner talks “absolute no doubt” for death penalty… seems more like a wish.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:36 pm
You mean death penalty if there is really, really, really no doubt, Governor. Phew, that makes me more confident.
Comment by Ole' Nelson Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:37 pm
Does anyone else see that Rauner’s eyes go immediately to a cue source as he answers? It’s a laser focus. Are either of them wearing earpieces?
Comment by Seriously? Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:37 pm
Pension funding-no answer from JB. Rauner pushes consideration, which doesn’t save money if constitutional.
Comment by Arthur Andersen Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:39 pm
Pensions… Pritzker seemed thoughtful, maybe not complete… Rauner trying to box Pritzker, talks “options” for pensions.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:39 pm
Rauner’s ties to the company date to 2011, when a private equity firm he co-founded bought Sterigenics for $675 million and quickly expanded its operations. The governor’s most recent state ethics statement, filed in May, shows he retains an interest in the fund used to buy the sterilization company, which in 2015 sold a majority stake to another private equity firm.
On Friday morning, Rauner told radio station WBEZ he no longer has a stake in Sterigenics. Spokespeople for his campaign and government office later told the Tribune that Rauner sold his interest as part of the 2015 deal but have not produced documents showing the transaction took place.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-bruce-rauner-sterigenics-shutdown-20181002-story.html
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:41 pm
Rauner goes “Madigan”…
Pritzker talks Rauner lacking compromis
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:42 pm
JB completely ignored/blew off the milage tax issue raised by Rauner. Moderater didn’t push it cause time was up. But it’s hanging out there with no response by Pritzker and is going to be obvious to viewers who would like to know where JB stands on this.
Comment by Responsa Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:43 pm
Republicans share responsibility for the 7,000 units of local government. I have yet to hear a GOP legislator, for example, advocate abolishing townships.
Comment by anon2 Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:43 pm
Higher Ed… Rauner deflects to K-12…
Not great.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:43 pm
LP:
Do you blame the Governor for anything? Or is absolutely nothing his fault? You want to know what a victim is? That’s a victim.
Comment by Demoralized Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:44 pm
Alan K calls Rauner out for deflecting on Higher Ed…
Pritzker pounds on budget / Higher Ed
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:44 pm
He’s going to do the same thing in his second term for higher education? You mean like not funding them?
Comment by Demoralized Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:45 pm
So, LP, the written record says he still holds the interest. I’ll rely on that, thanks.
Comment by Arthur Andersen Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:45 pm
Rauner’s put himself in this position. He’s a governor with no accomplishments to run on. Which allows Pritzker to continually “remind” us of Rauner’s failures.
Comment by Pundent Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:46 pm
So, increase funding by cutting revenues. Great plan Governor.
Comment by Demoralized Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:46 pm
AA, ditto on Sterigenics.
Selling a “majority stake” does not equal “no financial interest.”
Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:48 pm
The Governor’s holdings are in a blind trust
JB’s holdings are off shore in the Bahamas
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-jb-pritzker-bahama-offshore-shell-company-20180313-story.html
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:48 pm
Uh, uh, uh…
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:49 pm
===The Governor’s holdings are in a blind trust===
… or discussed openly on the mansion porch… either one.
LOL
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:51 pm
Sanctuary state non-answer not well done by JB. Trump!!!!!!
Comment by Responsa Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:53 pm
The Madigan Question- Pritzker talks compromise, Rauner failures.
Rauner talks MJM, Rauner wheelhouse.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:55 pm
Blind Trust or not, the record is what it is, LP.
Comment by Arthur Andersen Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:55 pm
Sanctuary state question evaded/not answered by JB.
Comment by Responsa Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:55 pm
All Madigan all the time. Does the Governor think his all Madigan all the time is going to move the needle? Because it hasn’t thus far.
Comment by Demoralized Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:56 pm
Four years of failure vs. give me one more term.
Comment by Pundent Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:57 pm
Pritzker goes positive close.
Rauner goes negative close.
Rauner struggling thou trying to seem like the reasonable re-elect.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:57 pm
It’s been hard? That’s the excuse?
Comment by Demoralized Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:58 pm
“I will not serve a third term.” You won’t serve two, Bruce.
Comment by anon2 Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:58 pm
Adoption tax credits (exclamation point)
#4 on the Guv’s list of accomplishments.
Comment by Henry Francis Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:59 pm
Pritzker did better at the end. Rauner’s just being Rauner. Don’t know how this moves the needle much, if it hasn’t already.
Comment by Grandson of Man Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 6:59 pm
Despite the probably unavoidable tap dancing by the candidates on several issues this was one of the better, more revealing and most informative debates I’ve seen in a long time. Kudos to ABC and Univision.
Comment by Responsa Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:00 pm
Let me finish what I started is a good closing message. Works better if you’ve started.
Comment by Pundent Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:01 pm
The record is that Governor Rauner ,who is not a billionaire paid 91 million in income tax in 2016, and JB Pritzker, who is a billionaire 3 times over, paid 15 million in income tax in 2016 and is accused of defrauding Cook County taxpayers
Comment by Lucky Pierre Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:01 pm
Rauner did better than expected.
At this moment, Pritzker didn’t flat out lose the race.
Rauner doing better than expected doesn’t move 22 points.
Pritzker should be pleased too.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:02 pm
LP. If Rauner still had a financial interest in Sterigenics that at least explains his administration’s disregard for the public health crisis the facility is. Under your construct, the administration is just tragically incompetent, kinda like its handling of Quincy. If that’s the narrative you want, run with it.
Comment by TominChicago Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:02 pm
==Works better if you’ve started.==
Lol. Exactly
Comment by Demoralized Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:02 pm
Nice move by JB at the end to extend his hand and say Governor. Establishing who the alpha male on the stage is.
Comment by Ole' Nelson Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:04 pm
LP
You’re going to have to do better than that if you want the Governor to catch up.
Comment by Demoralized Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:04 pm
so here’s something I never thought I would think…Pritzker looks healthier than Rauner. astounding. maybe it’s that Rauner looks like he’s terrified and knows he’s losing. Or maybe the hair of Pritzker pops better on tv. but it’s striking how much better Pritzker looks, and acts. I dialed in half way into the debate, so I missed bits about toiletgate, but, despite my misgivings about JB, he did very well.
Comment by Amalia Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:04 pm
JB said he only paid the refund to Cook County because we’re a month out from the election. Does he have to report it as an in-kind contribution?
Comment by LakeviewJ Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:05 pm
Neither one was highly impressive imho. The recent revelations on both sides seemed to have them on edge.
I did learn the Luckybot 8000 ain’t programmed to debate.
Comment by Arthur Andersen Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:05 pm
Lucky Pierre ==Bruce Rauner doesn’t own Steriogenics. The company was sold in 2015
Is JB responsible for every action of every company he has an indirect investment in? ==
JB does not own the house from which the toilets were removed, and he isn’t on any of the paperwork cited by the inspector general as containing false statements.
Comment by Whatever Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:06 pm
Doesn’t it bother Republican voters that Rauner tours investing public employee pensions and profiting with the people who advocate for and are part of the “corrupt system?”
Comment by Grandson of Man Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:08 pm
If you judge their performance solely on the issues of the day, toilets vs. Quincy, Rauner bested Pritzker. If you consider their vision for the state I’d give the nod to Pritzker. That’s that’s the consequence of being an incumbent with few accomplishments (adoption credits?) and an opponent who keeps “reminding” us of your failure.
Comment by Pundent Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:12 pm
One of my favorite moments was when Pritzker mentioned Rauner’s refusal to compromise on his own reforms.
Comment by Grandson of Man Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:20 pm
In baseball terms:
Rauner did very little for 8 innings.
He entered the 9th tonight.
Rauner needed a home run.
He got a base hit.
Comment by btowntruth from forgottonia Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:25 pm
JB weak on toilet issue.
Rauner weak on why we should give a failure four more years.
Comment by Ole' Nelson Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:29 pm
Is there a link to debate? I just missed it
Comment by Help Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:30 pm
–The Governor’s holdings are in a blind trust–
No, they are not.
What else do you feel the need to be wrong about?
https://www.politifact.com/illinois/statements/2017/oct/27/bruce-rauner/rauners-blind-trust-procedures-dont-excuse-lawsuit/
Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 7:31 pm
Nothing changed but the time left on the clock.
Comment by Arsenal Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 8:10 pm
@Help
Click on the red “as we go along” at the top of this page.
Comment by TinyDancer(FKASue) Wednesday, Oct 3, 18 @ 8:17 pm
Rauner: same old song and dance (Madigan, taxes, oblivious to facts on graduated income tax, toilets, I supported …. while defunding it). Rauner lost debate. JB has to keep maintaining his innocence on tax scheme in case criminal charges filed, also ducked and dodges (ADBA-style) immigration and tax plan. JB has issues, and a serious lead in many polls for a reason…he’s still not Bruce.
Comment by revvedup Thursday, Oct 4, 18 @ 7:53 am