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* Mark Brown…
Voices were raised, tempers flared and accusations traded on the Illinois House floor Wednesday afternoon, nothing out of the ordinary in and of itself for this late stage of a legislative session.
“Welcome to the emotions of the last week in May,” said state Rep. Mark Batinick, R-Plainfield, directing his remark to new lawmakers who might be unfamiliar with how testy things can get in the waning days.
The immediate cause of the tensions was an obscure piece of legislation by Chicago standards — a fight over whether Champaign County should split away from five more rural counties with which it shares a judicial district.
But in that debate, fought strictly along partisan lines because the change would give Democrats a better shot at electing local judges, I thought we could see an emerging theme of this year’s legislative session.
That is, Democrats are completely back in charge in Springfield, and when push comes to shove, and at some point it always does, they’re going to do things their way. […]
One day after slamming through an expansive abortion rights bill over Republican opposition as a way to fight back against southern states moving in the opposite direction, House Democrats pushed another conservative hot button by voting to require fingerprinting of individuals seeking a Firearm Owners Identification Card.
In recent days, both chambers approved a constitutional amendment to switch Illinois to a graduated income tax, moving away from the flat rate tax that has been in effect nearly 50 years. And before that, they approved an increase in the minimum wage to $15 an hour.
* From Hollywood Center Squares, or whatever it’s called now…
Gov. J.B. Pritzker’s administration has introduced legislation crafted by the State Board of Elections that Republicans say would legitimize a third party to play spoiler to the GOP’s chances of regaining seats in the General Assembly.
The bill that passed in a House committee Thursday morning would allow for the Conservative Party to field candidates for state representative or state senator in any district where Sam McCann, the Conservative Party gubernatorial candidate supported by unions to siphon votes from former Gov. Bruce Rauner in 2018, got more than 5 percent of the vote.
State Rep. Tim Butler, R-Springfield, called the legislation a direct shot at the minority party.
“You come down with omnibus elections bills that screw the other party,” he told Majority Leader Greg Harris. “That’s what you’re doing.”
…Adding… From Matt Dietrich at the Illinois State Board of Elections…
I wanted to point out that the portion of the omnibus bill referenced in the story is not something we put in. Most of the bill comes from legislative changes we suggested but that part was not among them.
* The Question: Are the Democrats over-reaching this spring? Take the poll and then explain your answer in comments, please.
*** UPDATE *** House Majority Leader Greg Harris has introduced an amendment to the omnibus elections bill to delete the language about establishing third parties. The language had infuriated House Republicans, who threatened to pull votes off all upcoming bipartisan bills unless it was stripped.
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Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 2:52 pm
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Reminds me of the legislature in the first months of the Blagojevich administration. Look where that got us.
Comment by Wylie Coyote Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 2:54 pm
Don’t believe so, Illinois remains a relatively conservative state in many ways.
Comment by Annon3 Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 2:55 pm
After nearly four years of nothing getting done, I am loving seeing bills moving and with the possibility of getting signed.
And, as we have learned nationally, elections have consequences.
Comment by lakeside Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 2:55 pm
No. Only in our terribly divided country could the RHA be considered ‘expansive,” while requiring fingerprints and a tiny fee hike for those who wish to purchase firearms some sort of tyranny.
Democrats are going to Democrat. Support for abortion rights and tougher restrictions on firearms are mainstream Democratic ideas that we’ve pushed for decades. The only surprise is why it took until 2019 to make these things happen.
Comment by 47th Ward Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 2:59 pm
I don’t think so. Unlike his predecessor, JB ran and won on these issues. Bruce hid his intentions until it was too late. He said he was not against unions, only the greedy union bosses. Once elected, he declared war on unions.
Comment by Ole' Nelson Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 2:59 pm
==that screw the other party==
Elections have consequences
Comment by Demoralized Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:00 pm
How does the 5% rule differ from the rule that give ballot access to the Libertarian and Green parties?
To the question: no. This was thw agenda proposed by the Democratic party and approved by a large majority of voters.
Comment by a drop in Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:01 pm
Before this week I would have said they are trying to do too much but it’s nice to actually see things get done. We’re not anywhere close to getting everything done that needs to get done by midnight tomorrow but there is a path towards getting almost everything done that was intended to get done.
Elections have consequences. Deal with it IL GOP.
Comment by Former State Worker Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:03 pm
I said yes, but not in any truly heinous or unexpected fashion. Giving Champaign its own circuit court and making it so McCann’s ‘Conservative’ Party can vote in places he got >5 percent are hardly earth-shattering even if their intentions are clearly partisan.
I don’t count other stuff like the RHA, FOID reform, and the Graduated Income Tax as overreaching when it’s policy the majority clearly has the power, want, and will to act upon all of which probably has plurality if not majority popularity in the state.
Comment by Nick Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:06 pm
Nope. The ILGOP overreached the past 4 years and nearly destroyed the state. This is what solving problems and getting things done looks like.
Comment by El Conquistador Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:07 pm
Not over stretching. If R’s get control in a few years they’ll be just as active.
Comment by Conservative Voter Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:08 pm
I don’t think that any of these issues will rebound against the Dems
Comment by TominChicago Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:09 pm
I voted “no” but that could change in a year. From what I can see most of what they have done so far has been to keep campaign promises. The Democratic Party won big and these are the spoils.
That said, how far will they go? I don’t agree with some of the education bills that are floating out there. MJM is not a traditional liberal if he is a liberal at all. He has always been a friend to big business and I see that as a mitigating factor. I do wonder how long he will remain in his position after the big win.
Comment by JS Mill Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:10 pm
Yes.
I think there a folks living in a bubble right now that think because the next election will feature DJT that democrats in swingy districts will be safe. I do not think that will be the case. The feel good resolutions Underwood and Casten are declaring themselves victors on will not be enough to keep them safe from the mailers that are being crafted as we speak that show these freshman reps. proudly supporting infanticide.
Obviously Illinois will not go Trump in 2020 but expect to see some congressional enthusiasm that will have a trickle down effect on several state rep districts.
combine national feelings with the ramming we are seeing in springfield, and I do not think a lot of seats will be safe in the next election.
Comment by Iggy Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:10 pm
Voted no, because this is a very blue state. In any other state in the Midwest, yeah, but not for Illinois. These mopes will gladly pass any dumb idea another dem proposes (“hey, we haven’t taxed parking spots yet, what are we waiting for?”) but they freak out at the thought of cannabis legalization. Illinois is like bizarro-Texas.
Comment by Lester Holt’s Mustache Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:12 pm
Paybacks can be a b……
Comment by Bruce( no not him) Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:13 pm
I’ve been away these past few days, with civilians, doing other things, but I’ve been reading the Capital Fax blog, trying to keep up on the dizzying things that are part of end of session.
Now, I preface this comment, not to be too self serving or however one might read this wrongly, I preface it because it goes directly to this really great question, probably better than when it was thought up.
I voted “No”
Here’s the sitch;
74, 40, all the statewides, a governor that won by 16 points.
If anything, the herding of the Democratic cats in moving all these Big things, seeing some wilt as they felt they had juice within the intraparty politics, or the posturing at the wrong time, those working against the current…
The Raunerites who have evolved into this old, angry, white, rural party, alienating the suburbs, She-Caw-Go, and at times gender, we’re seeing at times a monolithic minority party trying to highlight all that a bigger, broader based, open minded party can do, with a governor that can count, be it 60 or 71… instead of 3 (Drury, Franks, and Dunkin).
You vote what’s ripe, you vote what you can pass that makes sense politically as well as governmentally, (or visa-versa, if you’re a goo-goo).
It’s not surprising all that has passed or will get done. What’s surprising is a freshman governor, green to the processes, gets so many green for his agenda, and keeping the party together too.
So, no.
There’s no overreach. If anything the reach has been because tough votes and Big votes need real leadership, top to bottom cooperation, and Big picture follow thru.
A “yes” vote seems… lacking an understanding of 60, 30 signature? Maybe?
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:13 pm
I voted no. They are just shakin up Springfield.
Comment by Henry Francis Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:14 pm
I voted no, I think the overreach is coming, but not yet.
Comment by OneMan Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:14 pm
I voted no. Republicans are great at playing hard ball when in control and crying foul when it goes the other way. The Dems should do all they can this session, especially when it comes to issues that promote tax fairness, enhanced opportunity for minority communities, preserving a woman’s control over her own body, and putting people to work. I’ve seen republicans use their power to take away health care, restrict voting rights, and pass tax reform that was just a massive money grab for the wealthy. Use this time to help people who need it.
Comment by Threat level midnight Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:14 pm
Seriously, Mark Brown? The bill was “slammed through”? The vote was 64-50. It wasn’t exactly close, in the end.
The supermajority party is passing bills that its constituents care about. That is exactly what they are supposed to do.
Comment by Graybeard Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:15 pm
Voted no. Voters gave the Dems a super-majority, and they are doing the things they promised. If these policies differ from what the public wants, they should have voted differently.
The last bill is a little odd, I admit. But Center Square says the bill is the State Board of Elections’ brainchild, so I’m not sure that’s indicative of some major plan to over-reach. Probably just opportunism at its best.
Comment by OutOfState Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:15 pm
They were elected. We were not. My thoughts to Rauner and Trump say we get what we deserve. (but I hope we learn)
Comment by I Miss Bentohs Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:17 pm
No, this spring has been a long time coming.
Comment by PublicServant Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:19 pm
===The feel good resolutions Underwood and Casten are declaring themselves victors on will not be enough to keep them safe from the mailers that are being crafted as we speak that show these freshman reps. proudly supporting infanticide.===
I’m not really sure what you mean by this. Underwood and Casten have nothing to do with the RHA, or any of the other legislation mentioned for that matter. Yeah national politics will affect state and local elections, but I’m not sure how those two relate to the topic at hand.
Comment by OutOfState Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:21 pm
No. Is the pendulum going to swing back the other way? Maybe (probably).
If it does, it’s going to swing back regardless of whether or not Democrats pass their agenda; Dems are best off implementing their agenda in a way that’s hard for Republicans to undo in the future.
Comment by Urbanana Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:25 pm
Anyone remember the unconstitutional bill mess that happened when the Republicans took control in the 90’s?
I don’t think they are overreaching. They’ve not been shy about their agenda.
Comment by Demoralized Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:26 pm
No. As many have noted, elections have consequences, and it has increasingly been proven that if you constantly bully moderates out of your primaries and insist on ideology over problem-solving, you’re going to lose a lot of elections in a middle-loving state. Take a look around the country at the deep red states and see if you detect any regard for the blues in the minority. Perhaps an overreach could happen, but none of this qualifies.
Comment by Maywood John Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:27 pm
Overreach?
Did and Butler bump your heads doing the funkadelic
First Democrats are still rebuilding from the wreckage left by 4 long years of GovJunk
Next there is combating the handiwork of Trump.
Then there will be some modest ideas to advance prosperity and progress.
The move on GOPies in Champaign County was long overdue. Just use the Reign of Terror as your yardstick. This is pretty benign
Comment by Annonin' Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:28 pm
I voted ‘no.’ Illinois voters gave them supermajorities in both branches of the legislature and all the statewide offices. Pritzker is staying pretty consistent with the positions on which he campaigned. If the Democrats weren’t getting things accomplished they would be hurting their chances of continued electoral success. That said, I’m reserving judgement on the Conservative Party legislation.
Comment by Earnest Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:29 pm
What is the definition of over reaching? When you have control, you can do as you please. JB is simply doing what he said he would do with a little help from his friends.
Comment by pool boy Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:32 pm
One year, two months and 28 days. Then who cares.
Comment by Wylie Coyote Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:33 pm
Absolutely not. Pritzker ran on all of these things, and as others have said…
-Elections have consequences-
Comment by Joe Bidenopolous Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:35 pm
too much, too fast. Pick what can win and not try to solve all the problems. MJB is waiting and watching and will take control.
Comment by bear3 Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:37 pm
Voted no, as none of these Bill’s coming up should come as a surprise to anyone that paid attention during the last election cycle.
Comment by Fixer Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:39 pm
To the winner go the spoils…the decision on an overreach will be made by the voters and so far…crickets.
Comment by OOO Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:40 pm
Old enough to remember 1994. The Republicans seriously over reached in the year following that election. “Fast track” bills that were rushed through in the giddy atmosphere of pent up demand meeting new found power. And in that atmosphere many of the bills that passed were seriously flawed and ended up being overturned by the courts. I saw some of that same thing yesterday.
Comment by Snicarte Slim Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:41 pm
No, this agenda is what dems across the state ran on last fall. I’m glad they are keeping their promises.
Comment by the north Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:48 pm
-To the winner go the spoils…the decision on an overreach will be made by the voters and so far…crickets.-
I’m sorry. Was there an election this week or last that I missed?
Comment by wordsalad Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:50 pm
===I’m sorry. Was there an election this week or last that I missed?===
I’m sorry, how and when did *all* these folks win their seats?
Keep up.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:51 pm
I say Yes, based solely on HB97. I’ve been working with and watching legislation for a long time. I have never seen a Judicial Note ruled inapplicable on a bill which so clearly impacted the judiciary. 48 Hours notice on a snap call to split the 6th Circuit based solely on a desire to elect democratic judges (as Ammons admitted). The Court is entitled to five (5) days to respond, they got less than 48 hours. That is an abuse of power and an abuse of a co-equal branch of government. The Dems are overreaching, not just with regards to the GOP minority, but with regards to coequal branches of government.
Comment by Just another Anon Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:55 pm
I am a life long Republican although harder these days. My parents grandparents and great grandparents all Republicans
I voted no. Democrats won fair and square and as someone once said elections have consequences. The scariest thing for me is I find what they are doing mainly unobjectionable. God help me if I am becoming a Democrat
Comment by DuPage Saint Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:56 pm
-No, this agenda is what dems across the state ran on last fall. I’m glad they are keeping their promises.-
Agreed. But if the legislation is poorly crafted in the heat of the zeal of victory and is overturned there may not be another chance to get it right.
Comment by Snicarte Slim Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:56 pm
Oswego, you’re reading too fast sir. I said this week or last. Keep up.
Comment by Snicarte Slim Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 3:58 pm
I’ll use three phrases…
To the victor go the spoils… but remember, pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered… don’t kill the golden goose that is the IL business community.
Comment by Greenpeace Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:00 pm
OW - much has happened in your short absence But hey, everyone deserves a break.
Comment by Snicarte Slim Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:00 pm
Someone said the constituents are being represented; yes, one party of them. We have become so divisive and it Is reflected in the action at the Capitol. The rep sponsoring the Champaign Co. Courts bill would not even answer questions such as: “did you talk to the courts about this?; did you speak to the Supreme Court Justice there? A non answer was definitely a no. It’s that Rep’s idea to control every election. Take a look at the Rep’s bill to change the election cycle for county officials. Does this Rep only have Dems in her District? Forget about serving all the people. Doesn’t matter what Party you are, that is just wrong.
Comment by MaryLouise Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:02 pm
Welcome, DuPage Saint, to the side of good things for everyone. We may not always get it right, but we are always trying to make things better. This is a rare, hard-won opportunity to speed up the process, and I am looking forward to more bill signings and the next round of legislation.
Comment by Texas Ranger Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:03 pm
OW - After all, you did say you were “trying to keep up on the dizzying things that are part of end of session”. Perhaps you should sit down and catch your breath.
Comment by Snicarte Slim Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:04 pm
===I said this week or last. Keep up.===
Yeah, ‘bout that…
These votes are because of an election that has since passed.
===…the decision on an overreach will be made by the voters and so far…crickets.===
The relative silence of “voters”, or the noise of voters, isn’t exclusively come election time.
Ask Rauner about signing HB40
So… yeah… I stand by my mocking, both as an observation of elections and consequences and a sheer lack of obvious noise after votes made by both chambers.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:06 pm
===After all, you did say you were “trying to keep up on the dizzying things that are part of end of session”. Perhaps you should sit down and catch your breath.===
… and yet, dizzying isn’t necessarily controversial.
You’re welcome.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:07 pm
I voted yes because there wasn’t a maybe option.
If it was more nuanced, I would say no on taxes, cannabis, and the capitol bill and yes on the firearms and abortion issues.
The last two are already generating backlash at the national level and any overreach could eventually result in court decisions that might invalidate the current status. Sometimes it is better to settle for the half loaf you already have.
Comment by RNUG Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:08 pm
No. I’m sure it is frustrating times for some Illinois GOPers because there is a lot going on and fast BUT as previously commented. All of the big changes that are happening are changes that JB campaigned on and he won by a wide margin.
When you start passing big issues that you didn’t run on during your first year, then you are probably overstepping. That hasn’t happened yet IMHO.
Comment by Seats Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:10 pm
Good list, RNUG. I’m actually a No on overreach on all the ones you list, but a Yes, overreach on the judge election rule change and a Yes, attempted overreach on the stuff Lightfoot bricked.
Comment by Robert the Bruce Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:12 pm
The only backlash from the things being done this session will likely be from people who already were never going to vote democrat anyways. Abortion rights and trivially minor FOID restrictions are championed by a far larger portion of the electorate than not.
The Republican way is always complain about the other side when in the minority, but never actually try to accomplish anything useful in the majority.
Comment by Chip Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:14 pm
No, not overreaching. The voters spoke last fall and the Dems are fulfilling their campaign promises. Bonus: they’re doing what they said they’d do; they didn’t lie about their true agenda, like Gov. Gaslight did.
The Republicans could, if they wanted, reassess their approach, act as if they learned a thing or two, and spend the next two years trying to work their way up to minority status from superminority status. But no, they’d rather try to kick Chicago out of the state.
Comment by Nick Name Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:15 pm
I said yes but, to be honest, I would welcome reasonable counter proposals from the ILGOP other than “you’ll be sorry (for the graduated tax amendment)”, “only criminals will have guns” (FOID fingerprinting), and reefer madness (for recreational cannabis)
Comment by Jocko Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:21 pm
OW - The relative silence of “voters”, or the noise of voters, isn’t exclusively come election time.-
The original commenter said “decisions” of voters…putting the two together usually implies an action at the polls in an election, as in casting a “vote”. A “voter” of course is indeed also a person who might decide, to shake his fist, write a letter to the editor or go fishing. But I think the context in the original comment was clear.
I love this parsing! And if you do too, well then, you’re also welcome!
Comment by Snicarte Slim Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:25 pm
Yes on some things and no on others (Fair Tax amendment vote and Cannabis). Somehow, though, I don’t remember the same supporting chorus of “elections have consequences” right after Rauner won his election. So that might be something a bit nuancy to consider going forward.
Comment by Responsa Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:29 pm
If Butler proposed an amendment that held runoffs whenever no one gets a majority or switched to ranked choice voting, then he would have a much stronger point. As long as Illinois retains first-past-the-post, the way for Republicans to make the case of an omnibus elections bill screwing things up would be Republicans to propose FPTP’s end & Democrats not taking them up on it.
I agree with RNUG’s list ==I would say no on taxes, cannabis, and the capitol bill and yes on the firearms and abortion issues==
On the judicial circuit, maybe an overreach. The Champaign metro extends beyond Champaign County, but I could support any county above some population figure getting its own district. I would need to know more about how many judges relative to population a judicial circuit needs.
Comment by 62656 Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:29 pm
===I don’t remember the same supporting chorus of “elections have consequences” right after Rauner won his election. So that might be something a bit nuancy to consider going forward.===
Narrator: Rauner couldn’t muster 60 and 30
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:30 pm
No. Under Section 10-2 of the Illinois Election Code provides two ways by which a new political party may become an “established political party” in Illinois. The first method provides that a new political party may become established statewide where the party’s candidate for governor polls more than 5% of the entire vote cast for governor in Illinois. The second method, however, deals with establishment status in individual political subdivisions. To become established within an individual political subdivision of the State, Section 10-2 requires a political party to poll more than 5% of the entire vote cast within that political subdivision.10 ILCS 5/10–2; Vestrup v. DuPage City Election Commission, 335 Ill. App. 3d 156 (2002); see also Ill. Green Party v. Ill. State Bd. of Elections, 2011 IL App (1st) 113375
McCann received over 5% of the total vote cast for governor in the 2018 general election as a member of the Conservative Party within numerous political subdivisions throughout Illinois. Moreover, all political subdivisions in the State voted as a unit in the 2018 general election, as every registered voter in Illinois was able to vote for the office governor, and those subdivisions shall remain unchanged for the 2020 general election.
Because the Conservative Party, via Sen. McCann, polled more than 5% of entire vote cast within certain political subdivisions for the office of governor, the Conservative Party should already be considered an established political party within those subdivisions
The bill introduced is, for all intents and purposes, already the law, and, arguably, is actually a more restrictive version of the law than what is currently in the books.
Comment by The 5th Deputy Governor Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:37 pm
Most districts are so polarized these votes will simply solidify folks support from their bases in both parties. And for the suburban folks who are the ones most often in the purple districts… progressive type positions will probably play better than conservative ones.
Comment by BothSidesofHisMouth Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:41 pm
My thoughts were pretty much summed up by RNUG. I would have voted maybe if that was a choice but voted Yes instead. As far as Butler’s comment goes I don’t have any sympathy for the GOP. Butler himself is a Rauner appointee and he pretty much marched lockstep in voting the way Rauner wanted him to. Remember Jim Durkin punished his moderate members who finally voted to end the budget stalemate and The ILGOP stood by silently while Rauner tried to burn the state down and as a result they got clobbered last November. They made their own bed now they have to sleep in it.
I support a lot of what the Democrats are trying to do. I think Pritzker will get more good done in his first year than Rauner did in 4. I am pro choice but I see no threat to a woman’s right to choose in our state and think the recent abortion protection legislation was an overreaction and unnecessary. Now that the FOID legislation is passed, which doesn’t seem unreasonable to me, will the Democrats stop there or will they soon be back with more obtrusive gun control bills in the future? It’s kind of wait and see as far as conclusively answering the overreach question.
Comment by The Dude Abides Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:44 pm
Voted no, elections have consequences, and what they are doing is milquetoast compared to what the GOP would/does do in other states with a trifecta.
Comment by ChicagoVinny Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:45 pm
No. We’re 4 years behind on even one small accomplishment. Let’s get er done.
Comment by Flynn's Mom Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:52 pm
Voted yes. Mostly because of bill that started this poll. This Rep. clearly over-reached but the mistake is with the Leadership. They took a dump on the co-equal branch of Gov. And as it was clearly stated, strictly for political reasons. Bad governance.
Comment by Bashful Raconteur Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:53 pm
No. Overreach is 1995 and Pate in 1993.
Comment by Anyone Remember Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:53 pm
How we know Rauner was the one who over-reached: he tried to do it through executive order and the courts. He never tried to get 60 and 30.
Comment by Nick Name Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 4:54 pm
There probably will be a backlash at some point, but not yet. I think the bills passed so far have largely been popular. My biggest personal issue has been with the special interest legislation, which I know hardly moves the needle for the average voter. That, however, is what could eventually bite Democrats in 2020 if they pass bad laws (such as the Champaign county bill or the McPier bill or even the gambling bill). And the capital bill tax increases are going to be a difficult vote.
Comment by Chicagonk Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 5:16 pm
===…usually implies… ===
‘Cept when it doesn’t.
Looking the reaction of HB40 as a prime recent example, voters don’t always wait for election days.
===But I think the context in the original comment was clear.===
Hmm…
===…the decision on an overreach will be made by the voters and so far…crickets.===
Yeah, that “implies” noise, not ballots.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 5:31 pm
==with civilians, doing other things==
What? Pointing a thesaurus at a mirror, and screaming “you talking to me?”
What is wrong with him?
Comment by Baba Ganoush Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 5:40 pm
===What is wrong with him?===
Clinically?
The list is long. You may want to sit…
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 5:42 pm
Voted no. What’s the point of having supermajorities if you don’t actually use them to advance the agendas upon which you won the support of the voters.
Comment by Hieronymus Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 6:15 pm
I would suggest Rep. Butler contemplate former governor Rauner’s treatment of Sam McCann. It seems apparent that this “problem” is a direct result of that.
Comment by Stumpy's bunker Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 6:19 pm
Voted yes. “but remember, pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered.” Great line.
Mark Brown’s warnings to the super duper majority running wild are clearly being ignored.
Comment by Louis G. Atsaves Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 6:33 pm
Stripped out the language concerning third parties? What? No more make believe parties sponsored by agents of the super duper majority?
Don’t they realize that this is Illinois?
Comment by Louis G. Atsaves Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 6:35 pm
Hmm…
===…the decision on an overreach will be made by the voters and so far…crickets.===
Yeah, that “implies” noise, not ballots.
Class, Mr. Oswego Willy is obviously having a difficult time today and we all know that he is better than this. Can someone please help him, figuratively at least, find the correct page and paragraph so that he can catch up and resume he his rightful place as the watch on the bridge of the ship of state?
Comment by Snicarte Slim Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 7:13 pm
- Snicarte Slim -
I read your comment.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 7:19 pm
To me, “overreaching” is when you can’t accomplish what you set out to do.
At the beginning of the month, I thought they might be overreaching, as everything seemed to be in limbo.
I don’t think they’re overreaching anymore. Looks like they might run the table.
Louis, if you want to stop it, you probably have to beat, soundly, the Uiehlein/Proft types before you can make any gains on Dems.
Comment by wordslinger Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 8:59 pm
Yes. Over-reaching and Democrat is synonymous
Comment by Justacitizan Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 9:02 pm
I voted no.
If Democrats are going to change the election rules, they should do what Maine did and go for full Ranked Choice Voting.
Comment by Odysseus Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 9:35 pm
===Louis, if you want to stop it, you probably have to beat, soundly, the Uiehlein/Proft types before you can make any gains on Dems.===
Until the ILGOP fully understand this, and not be a regional, rural, angry, old base… where are those 60 and 30?
- Wordslinger - wins the day.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 9:38 pm
- Matt -
I understand all four are not harmed by the new rates.
Only 3% will see a tax increase.
Your argument loses to… math.
Comment by Oswego Willy Thursday, May 30, 19 @ 9:48 pm
I agree with Ranked Choice. Hopefully that will be on next session’s agenda.
Comment by Spacesoon Friday, May 31, 19 @ 2:19 pm