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* Comptroller Dan Hynes has a new TV ad up and running. It hits Gov. Pat Quinn pretty hard. Watch it…
Script…
Pat Quinn is trying to fool you.
The fact is Quinn would raise taxes on the middle class by 50 percent.
Under Pat Quinn’s proposal, a family of four making $50,000 would pay over $600 more in taxes.
Dan Hynes has a better plan. He’ll cut waste line by line … and only raise income taxes on people making more than $200,000.
Democrat Dan Hynes. A better plan. A better Governor for Illinois.
Thoughts?
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posted by Rich Miller
Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 11:50 am
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How many points did Hynes have up behind his first ad before switching? If you are gonna spend the money this early you should at least let your message sink in. Whoever is doing Dan’s TV needs to stop letting Dan make the goofy decisions.
Comment by WOW Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 11:53 am
Way better than his intro ad.
Comment by Randolph Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 11:54 am
I still think Hynes has the better plan. Hands down.
Comment by Leadbutt Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 11:57 am
WOW, subscribe and find out. lol
Comment by Rich Miller Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 11:57 am
I do subscribe. You told us how much he spent for a week but the first ad only ran a few days not a whole week.
Comment by WOW Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 11:59 am
There is plenty more where that came from.
Comment by Bill Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 11:59 am
I think that was pretty effective. Ouch.
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 12:03 pm
Yeesh, this is going to be a nasty bar fight. Will there be a holiday truce?
Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 12:04 pm
The first ad ran for I think five or six days. Pretty much a whole week. He spent down all of that initial cash, so we’re looking at about 250-350 points. I think.
Comment by Rich Miller Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 12:05 pm
No way on the truce. The early primary means full throttle until the end. I love this stuff.
Comment by Bill Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 12:06 pm
Good Ad…Much better than the “Talking Head.”
Comment by Raymond Moley Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 12:07 pm
Yeah that’s it boys, keep taking shots at each other….
Please….
It works, looking forward to the Quinn retort. Also don’t understand how you can do the only over X amount under current law.
Comment by OneMan Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 12:07 pm
One of my favorite formats is where they show a clip of one of the opponent’s speeches followed by him saying the exact opposite in another speech. There would be plenty to choose from if they used Quinn’s March budget speech and then what he actually did and said. This guy’s flip flops would put John Kerry to shame.
Comment by Bill Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 12:14 pm
I keep thinking of the anti-Gephart ad of the guy doing backflips while narrator reads different positions.
Comment by D.P. Gumby Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 12:29 pm
Better than his first ad. This is going be a long back & forth, and the general public isn’t paying attention yet.
Comment by Niles Township Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 12:31 pm
I’m thinking with the early primary, it’s gonna be full speed ahead for the govs race until Groundhog day from hence forward, that’s gonna make the CC Pres race weird as the Govs race will suck much of the O2 from the room, Senate even weirder?
Comment by I'm just saying Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 12:33 pm
Good ad.
I realize that there are valid arguments against a tax system that increases reliance on high income taxpayers. But what I find shocking about Quinn is his assumption that a family making $60,000, or even &80,000 can easily give up another $600 or $800 or more a year. Many of these families likely have breadwinners who are coming off a layoff, about to be laid off, or plausibly fear being laid off. They may have to pay for their own health insurance and they almost certainly have to pay for their own retirements. Others have tens of thousands in educational loans and/or are living in houses that have lost much of their value. What kind of arrogance does it take to grab more of their money for a state where corruption and waste have barely faltered despite the departure of our Blago. The kind of arrogance that comes from being in Ilinois politics all your life, I guess. Quinn feels he and his Democratic backers are entitled, including to taking some of those billions he wants in more taxes off the truck (via patronage hiring, massive concessions to state employee unions in future negotiations, overpriced contracts and a plump state management tier) for his supporters. All that talk about caring about middle class families is beyond cynical.
I’m not sure about Hynes, but Quinn has already shown that his first loyalty is to the heavily unionized state bureaucracy and the Machine (he and Daley are now best pals, remember), not Illinois’ many victims of a severe recession which will likely not end soon for ordinary working people.
Comment by cassandra Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 12:43 pm
is there enough time for any primary debates? have any candidates dem or gop agreed to participate in any? or are people just waiting for the field to clear in december and then taking a look-see in January to know if any debating will be necessary?
Comment by Will County Woman Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 12:50 pm
Hynes would murder Quinn in a debate. That’s talking truth to the power.
Comment by Bill Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 12:55 pm
bill, i totally agree with you.but something tells me that quinn wouldn’t want to debate hynes for the reason you cite, and others.
Comment by Will County Woman Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 1:02 pm
Within the context of the R Senate Race, the Trib is reporting that Mark Kirk would be willing to debate his Primary opponents after the filing deadline.
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 1:05 pm
This is going to get uglier than usual. Ugh. These two will split the Primary, and let a plurality candidate win the nomination.
Mr. Meeks? Paging Mr. Meeks! Are you listening sir? This is your year!
Comment by VanillaMan Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 1:06 pm
vm,
do you think that ed scanlan will be a factor possibly hurting quinn more than hynes?
Comment by Will County Woman Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 1:13 pm
zzzzz. Auto turned on again I see Cass. Would it make you feel better if any ‘massive concessions’ in future negs make me ‘working poor’? I pay my taxes, my insurance premiums and my pension contributions now, you’re welcome to go check my salary pre-takehome pay. Really think I need ‘massive’ amounts less than any other family making the same wage regardless if private or public sector employee?
Comment by Cindy Lou Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 1:13 pm
WCW: I’ll bet Quinn would love to debate Hynes, but his advisors might be telling him not to…IMO, Quinn would outtalk Hynes in a verbal joust hands down…have you ever heard Hynes speak to a crowd? I’ll bet not…
Comment by Anonymous45 Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 1:14 pm
Negative TV in October? Really? This can’t be a good move. Good ad or not his intro ad didn’t run long enough and there’s going to be a sizable percent of the voting population that gets introduced to Hynes through this attack ad, and any campaign professional would tell you that you want to introduce your candidate in a positive light. It’s the reason why a typical well-funded state rep candidate will do 2-3 intro/endorsement pieces before they go negative. especially against an incumbent. My guess is that it backfires and ends up hurting Hynes in the long run.
Comment by SweetLou Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 1:29 pm
This second ad is much better than the first. Hynes pretty much wasted his money on the first ad, particularly if it did run at just 250 or so points, as Rich suggests (a bad ad that very few people saw anyway).
Comment by Dem observer Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 1:36 pm
I have seen all the ad on TV now (Hynes, Quinn response and Hynes rebuttal). To begin with, I usually dont see the political adds so however is selecting the time slots etc is doing a good job.
I think Hynes counter to Quinns was timed perfectly, while the Quinn ad was still resonating around the walls. It also drew blood. I was underwhelmed by Quinns help only for families making less then 60k, and the Hynes add punched a bus sized hole through even that feature.
Hynes needed to get himself out there, and so far, he is doing a good job. Just hope he doesnt run out of cash.
Comment by Ghost Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 1:40 pm
So lawmakers both dem and gop don’t appreciate quinn sticking them with the blame for the MAP fiasco. rightfully so, but he was and is still willing to throw them under the bus in an effort to save his political hide.
the MAP funding crisis will likely be resolved soon, but too bad hynes could not have made an ad about this an all quinn’s other failures/dropped balls in his short time as governor. for more than a month quinn has been trying to fool college students and their parents into thinking he is a hero on MAP funding, while lawmakers are the vilans.
whatever.
http://www.sj-r.com/homepage/x1699628295/State-Capitol-Q-A-The-MAP-deficit
Comment by Will County Woman Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 1:51 pm
OK Hynes, put it on the line, line by line; you have access to the budget numbers, show me where YOU make those additional line by line cuts, show what they add up to, and then explain to those constituencies why you would gore their particular ox more than some other. BEFORE we vote for you.
Quinn is not as great as I’d hoped, however, the original tax bump he proposed would have actually solved the budget, and that magical $600, taken out over the course of a year, is nothing compared to the additional layoffs and reductions in state services that come with under-funding. Let’s see, an extra $600 over the year and my kid gets his MAP grant to finish school and get a job? The state facilities, services and amenities stay open? My dad can get his benefits again? My mom won;t get her medicaid turned away at the clinic or pharmacy? We can pay vendors who supply the state, get our bond rating back up, and pick away at a huge deficit? For the cost of a month’s worth of groceries? Yeah, sign me up, six hundred for all that is a fair trade, I think.
Quinn is waffling and uncertain, groping for some kind of consensus and pummeled by factions, but Hynes is dedicated and sure, his choice is clear: Hynes is going to play the oldest game in politics, promising everybody something for nothing, and everybody gets to heaven without having to die first.
We just had six years of that, do we have alzheimers or something?!?!?
The wreck to come from that misguided path is going to mean you’ll WISH all it cost to dig out was another $600. After Hynes gets in and says “oh, well, I guess I was off by a few digits, and the line by line list was mostly a bust, but thanks for the weak and gutless choice of me to fix this, now I’ll do what Quinn wanted to do”.
You buy this, you’re all suckers.
Comment by Gregor Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 1:53 pm
I really should let Quinn’s campaign staff do their jobs, but I can’t resist. Maybe they can pay me to do this…
First off, Hynes is repeating a flat out lie about Quinn’s proposal. He seems to have boiled that proposal down to three headlines. Never mind what the articles themselves say.
Interestingly, when I googled the first article, it did not appear anywhere on the internet.
I found the second article, which included this tidbit in the body of the article:
“Quinn’s plan would blunt the pain of the income tax hike on residents by tripling the personal exemption from $2,000 to $6,000 a person. By Quinn’s estimate, even with the higher tax rate, families of four making less than $60,000 a year — more than 5 million Illinoisans — would pay less in income taxes.”
I also found the third article, which states:
“But some of the taxpayer pain on that large income tax increase is dampened by tripling the personal exemption from $2,000 to $6,000 per person. Quinn’s office estimates that will translate into a tax cut for families of four making less than $60,000 a year, and a tax increase for families making more than that.”
It’s typical to footnote these kinds of things in ads and mailers, but this is the first time I’ve seen it done using just the headline as the source and ignoring the article itself which contains contradictory information.
It’s going to be a long few months. Let’s just hope than Dan Hynes doesn’t go down in history for handing the Republicans control of the governorship for the next 26 years.
Comment by Don't Worry, Be Happy Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 1:59 pm
VM,
I would agree, this would be the time for Meeks to take his shot.
Comment by OneMan Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 2:14 pm
Hey Don’t Worry–
If you think Hynes is being rough just imagine what the Repubs will do to him. They are licking their chops hoping they get Quinn in the general.
Comment by Cosmic Charlie Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 2:14 pm
funny thing about quinn and his campaign trying to paint hynes’ budget effort as a non-solution solution (e.g., lacking lawmaker support). Quinn’s proposed $1 ciagrette tax to help MAP funding is a non-starter with the GA. Surely he had to have known that, yet he nevertheless toured the state pushing the idea, making it seem novel and as if it had a chance.
i have to wonder if quinn pushed the cigarette tax because he simply couldn’t come up with anything better? or, if, feeling the pinch, he just needed to say something in front of all those college kids to make it look like he was in command on the situationn and had THE answer? or…
Comment by Will County Woman Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 2:15 pm
With the exception of the mopey “middle class family”, this is a much better slasher ad than the talking desk ad.
“Don’t Worry”, the actual details of Quinn’s plan matter little in wonderful woolly-world of TV campaign ads.
That’s why those articles exist–if folks care to read them, which they don’t, in general.
Oh well.
Comment by David Ormsby Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 2:33 pm
Don’t Worry, Be Happy, Quinn backed off of the exemption, its a bit hard to follow all his flip flops on his proposal, but the last time he was moving for a tax increase, the individual exemption protection was off the table for that family making 60k, so the Hynes add was accurate.
Comment by Ghost Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 2:37 pm
Bill - Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 12:55 pm:
Hynes would murder Quinn in a debate.
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Are we talking about the same Dan Hynes that is Comptroller? Have you ever seen him debate or even publicly speak before? It is a snooze fest.
Comment by Niles Tonwship Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 2:50 pm
WCW: Quinn won’t have to push the cig tax cause the legislators all know better about cutting the MAP program unless they don’t want to be elected/re-elected…DOH!
Comment by Anonymous45 Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 2:50 pm
Ghost is right Quinn backed off on part of the initially proposed exemption for lower income families.
I believe he also changed his mind and backed off on part of his orignally proposed corporate tax increase.
I guess the idea was, the lower income folks could help subsidize the corporations. Hey.
This is bailout nation. Quinn may be confused but he has noticed that bailing out the corporate sector is the new best thing in government.
Comment by Cassandra Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 3:03 pm
Hynes would murder Quinn in a debate.
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Are we talking about the same Dan Hynes that is Comptroller? Have you ever seen him debate or even publicly speak before? It is a snooze fest.
Yes - that is what Bill means! Dan will bore Pat to death. Premeditated boredom.
Comment by VanillaMan Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 3:04 pm
Have you guys been reading the news tabs to the right?
http://thesouthern.com/news/local/state-and-regional/article_4fdcd036-b8f2-11de-aa08-001cc4c002e0.html
I really don’t see how Quinn, with a straight face, can make the claim that he can lead the state through its budget crisis, current and looming.
Comment by Will County Woman Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 3:12 pm
and for those on this thread who believe now is the time for Meeks to take his shot, please. he pushed for the senate’s 67 percent income tax hike. ad that was DOA in the House for sure.
this election is going to be about the budget crisis, not schools or black youth violence etc, and meeks doesn’t have what it takes to really weigh in on the budget crisis with any credibility, in my opinion.
like lisa madigan, meeks should just wait until there is an easier road to hoe.
Comment by Will County Woman Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 3:19 pm
This entire attack campaign has been financed by the building trades. Strange when you consider Governor Quinn signed a $30 billion capital bill for them. I don’t know what they get from Comptroller Hynes for the money, but I bet it will come out soon enough. Check the D-2’s from the past six years. Sixty percent of Hynes’ money has come rfrom the building trades.
Comment by Laborguy Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 3:37 pm
Vanilla Man: You are right again! Notice how WCW doesn’t respond to valid criticism of her point of view?
I do not like folks who blog and then take their marbles and retreat home…
Comment by Anonymous45 Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 3:38 pm
Well, Vaught didn’t waste any time getting onto the tax increase bandwagon. No thoughtful review and preferably scrubbing of the state’s tens of thousands of contracts, no talk about more efficient, flatter management structures, no across-the-board hiring freezes, no pullback on all those patronage hacks Quinn is putting in place, no talk about the travails of ordinary folks and how sorry he is.
Like his boss, he’s going straight for our wallets. For our own good, of course.
Comment by Cassandra Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 3:41 pm
I don’t know how Hynes will only tax those making more than 200,000 when illinois has a flat tax and absolutely no possibility of creating a progressive tax. Don’t Worry be Happy talked about the tax credit system as one way to backdoor create the system. I don’t like political shenanegans like that. So far Hynes sounds too much like a washington democrat. Why is everyone fixated on only making people who make 200,000 pay for everything. I am nowhere near wealthy, but if every democrat in the country is tapping that source, it will dry up fast. People who make a lot of money are not dumb. they will find a way to keep their money. so far Quinn scares me, but Hynes scares me a hell of a lot more. He seems a little angry.
Comment by Fred former Anon Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 3:45 pm
Fred former Anon,
I can appreciate what you are saying about Hynes, but I don’t think he’s angry at all. I think his serious personality is what you’re seeing. Serious types often appear angry when nothing could be further from the truth. I don’t entirely disagree with you about the $200K + well running dry, and I am not super-huge fan of progressive taxing.
I read stuff like this about Quinn, and like you I am scared and very concerned about his being governor:
http://www.saukvalley.com/articles/2009/10/14/30718953/index.xml
be it hynes or almost anyone else, this state simply cannot afford to have quinn in office trying to lead and manage it for the next four years. the next four years are going to be very critical to getting things back on track. in the nine months since he has been in office things have only gotten worse because he did not have a plan when he came to office and has been trying wing it ever since, to no avail.
(and niles township before you think of responding with how bad hynes is in your view, make sure you read the sauk valley.com link contained in this post).
Comment by Will County Woman Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 4:35 pm
Hynes should put Quinn on the defensive. He is without a doubt the biggest phony I have ever seen. Pander to unions and blacks and hope for the best. We have seen this movie before haven’t we? Quinn hates our former governor but likes his script. Too bad he doesn’t have the discipline to stick to it. The outsidr is now the insider and he seems to like it. Hardy har har…..
Comment by regular democrat Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 7:28 pm
Hardy har har?
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Oct 14, 09 @ 9:57 pm
While you were toiling on our behalf, Eric Zorn was taking a closer look at the issue: http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2009/10/democratic-ad-war-continues.html
All best,
Quinn Campaign Staff
Comment by Thanks, Don't Worry, Be Happy Thursday, Oct 15, 09 @ 8:00 am
dan hynes is still too boring/vanilla to win this.
Comment by bored Thursday, Oct 15, 09 @ 8:25 am
Regardless of one’s politics, the alarm bells should be sounding when the new budget director says that the State can save hundreds of millions of dollars “by making some technical adjustments to our bonding program.”
Hmmmm, where have we heard that kind of talk before? (Clue: sounds like “Milan,” spelled like “felon.”)
Comment by Arthur Andersen Thursday, Oct 15, 09 @ 8:28 am