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* Bruce Rauner may, depending on the day, want to lower the minimum wage by a dollar an hour, but Sen. Kirk Dillard says he wants the “marketplace” to decide what the minimum wage should be. To me, at least, that sounds like he wants no statutory minimum wage at all.
Audio courtesy of John Gregory at the Illinois Radio Network…
The quote, in case you can’t listen to audio files at work…
“I am a, what I guess is known as a Jeffersonian free market principle guy. And I believe that the marketplace ought to set everything, including the minimum wage.”
Dillard also said he was against raising the minimum wage because it would cost jobs. Then he added this…
“The people who push for it in Springfield generally are Chicago legislators, minority legislators. But it really hurts the minority community because they’ll have fewer jobs for those in the minority community that those who try to push these things through the legislature are really trying to help.”
* By the way, John at IRN also shared the full Bruce Rauner audio where the candidate said unequivocally that he wanted to roll back the minimum wage by a dollar an hour…
Rauner’s quote…
“I will advocate moving the Illinois minimum wage back to the national minimum wage. I think we’ve got to be competitive here in Illinois. It’s critical we’re competitive. We’re hurting our economy by having the minimum wage above the national. We’ve got to move back to the national.”
Seems clear to me.
*** UPDATE *** From a press release…
Senator Bill Brady, Republican candidate for Governor, today said proposals by two gubernatorial candidates to change Illinois’ minimum wage rates are counter-productive for Illinois job growth and working families.
“We have Governor Quinn proposing to raise the minimum wage to $10 an hour, and Bruce Rauner talking about lowering it by $1. They are both out-of-touch with the needs of Illinois families and Illinois business,” Brady said.
“If we raise the rate, we discourage job growth. If we cut it, we impact hard-working Illinois families who depend on a minimum wage as better jobs continue to leave Illinois,” Brady said.
“I believe the state and minimum wage rates need to be paired and support a moratorium on increases in the Illinois minimum wage until the federal rate has caught up with ours,” he said.
Illinois’ minimum wage rate of $8.25 an hour is the fourth highest in the country and $1 higher than the federal rate.
“I understand the need for a reasonable minimum wage, as Illinois and the nation have lost higher-paying manufacturing jobs to service industry employment,” Brady said. “My focus will be on restoring more of those higher-paying jobs to Illinois, giving more of our families larger paychecks.”
*** UPDATE 2 *** From a press release…
Illinois State Treasurer Dan Rutherford does not support lowering the state’s minimum wage, nor does he support increasing it at this time.
“Lowering the minimum wage in Illinois is a bad idea. Doing so would place an unfair burden on workers. I will never be a fan of taking money from peoples’ wallets, and that’s what lowering the minimum wage would do.”“I believe every American should be able to make as much money as possible, legally and ethically. State government should not put an artificial cost of doing business increase on a business, church or local unit of government by increasing the minimum wage.”
posted by Rich Miller
Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 1:32 pm
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===I am a, what I guess is known as a Jeffersonian free market principle guy===
Keep that clear message roll-out going Kirk.
Comment by Boone's is Back Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 1:41 pm
Really Kirk, Rauner makes a boneheaded statement about the minimum wage and instead of pouncing on it and attacking Rauner; you want to one up him by advocating no minimum.
*** Oswego Willy for Governor - he’s not Rauner or Dillard ***
Comment by Norseman Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 1:47 pm
if the “free market” decided the minimum wage it might still be at $5-6 a hour. certainly not higher than $7-8 it is now. or at least places like McDonalds and Wal-mart would like to be able to pay less than $8-10.
so Kirk are you also saying the minimum wage should be lower than the current $8.25/hour?
if not what is he really saying by tossing around Jeffersonian free market principles? speak english. it’s like your no vote on pension reform. you voted no, but not because you’re against pension reform. so confusing to understand this guy.
Comment by PoolGuy Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 1:47 pm
I have no idea what a “Jeffersonian free-market principle guy” is. I’ve never heard that.
Jefferson was a plutocrat slaver. The labor was forced, and free only in the sense that he didn’t pay for it.
For all his beautiful words, Jefferson’s “wealth” and “capital” were tied up in slaves until the day he died — including, most likely, his own children.
He certainly wasn’t an industrial capitalist. The father of American capitalism, Hamilton, was his greatest rival.
Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 1:49 pm
I don’t think I’ve ever seen an allegedly serious candidate do so much to drive voters away as Dillard.
Four years ago he looked to a lot of people (i.e. those who didn’t ask him about his views on social issues) like a moderate.
He’s gone out of his way the past four years to drive away people who think he may be a moderate on social issues.
Well, maybe he’s a moderate on something else.
Nope, we now know that he’s even more extreme than Rauner on the minimum wage.
Does he think that he can go extreme right and then somehow bounce back for November?
Does he know that when he talks, moderates can hear him?
The guy should have spent the past four years avoiding strong opinions on anything. Instead, he’s spent those years talking, and it seems like every time he speaks, he loses voters.
Comment by Smoggie Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 1:50 pm
===And I believe that the marketplace ought to set everything===
That should make Excelon and Nicor happy.
Comment by 47th Ward Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 1:51 pm
The Bruce Rauner network continues offering 24/7 coverage on all sponsored by news websites…..
Comment by just sayin' Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 1:55 pm
- Norseman -,
No joke, I was on 71 quite a bit during the holidays, and either the way to, or the way back passing through Norway, I wondered “…what - Norseman - was up to?” Happy New Year!
To the Post,
Minimum wage arguements are the best way to seem out of touch, and one of the best ways to seem heartless.
Leaving it “as-is” and revisiting the issue upon being sworn in is probably the most honest, and the best tact to have, if you have to answer. It’s a “hurt” issue for a Republican, rarely seen as a “help-net positive”, so why llok to stir things up if you can’t get what you “want” done anyway?
Right “Bruce Rauner”?
Move when you know you have the will and the votes, otherwise, you are not gaining anything, and not changing anything either.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 1:55 pm
Tomorrow he’ll quote Harding. It’s just too hard to watch.
Comment by A guy... Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 1:58 pm
@Smoogie
=== Does he think that he can go extreme right ===
I’m skeptical that “extreme right” is the goal, here. Rather, I think “extreme vague” is the goal.
Comment by Bill White Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:00 pm
Related, as wordslinger explained above, the phrase “Jeffersonian free market principle guy” is so vague and self-contradictory as to be meaningless.
Seemingly delicious and yet content free word salad.
Comment by Bill White Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:02 pm
Ah Jefferson’s free market. The one that was so against a minimum wage it let you enslave human beings as property and steal their labor.
Comment by hisgirlfriday Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:11 pm
I would question the morals of Republican primary voters if pandering on lowering the minimum wage is a winning issue.
Comment by Demoralized Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:15 pm
I’m continually amazed at the level of ignorance when it comes to basic economics. Minimum wage laws cause people to lose jobs. Some people benefit from higher wages, but countless others get hurt from either losing a job or not getting a job that’s not created in the first place. The ones that get hurt are also the ones most vulnerable, the ones with the least skills.
If you want McDonalds or Walmart to pay $15 an hour for entry level work go to Williston, North Dakota, or west Texas where fracking booms have all but eliminated unemployment.
If you want to raise wages, raise the demand for workers, not the supply.
Comment by Downstate Illinois Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:23 pm
I believe he meant “George” Jeffersonian free market principle guy.
Comment by Michelle Flaherty Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:27 pm
Extremely naive comments from both of them. Just more fodder to get whacked by in the general. Quinn couldn’t be a luckier politician.
Comment by Jorge Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:30 pm
===I’m continually amazed at the level of ignorance when it comes to basic economics===
How about the “economics” of taxpayers paying billions for Medicaid and other government assistance to subsidize minimum-wage employers?
The real government handouts are going to the people at the top here.
Comment by Rich Miller Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:31 pm
Is Dillard channeling some kind of revisionist demi-theory about Jefferson, along the lines of the evangelicals who argue that the founding fathers established the US as an explicitly Christian nation? Pure gibberish.
Comment by davidh Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:34 pm
==Minimum wage laws cause people to lose jobs.==
And why would we want jobs created that pay low wages? How exactly does that help? Getting rid of the minimum wage is not a solution.
Comment by Demoralized Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:37 pm
I disagree with the Brady on the merits but his “just right” take on the minimum makes him look less craven or delusional than his primary opponents.
Comment by davidh Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:37 pm
Bill Brady for the win.
Comment by John A Logan Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:37 pm
If this isn’t the biggest case of pot (Brady,Dillard) calling the Kettle (Rauner)black , don’t know what is. Brady & Dillard epitomize ‘out of touch’ and showed it in 2010. Not saying that Rauner is getting the best political advise by taking this issue on before the election- He should stay on message. One of the most disheartening features of ILGOP candidates is their ADHD when it comes to message management.
Comment by Statesman Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:38 pm
Good on Bill Brady. On Point, and well said!
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:38 pm
now Dan the man has to chime in with a press release… waiting….
Comment by PoolGuy Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:41 pm
Does Dillard have a voice in his ear that just repeats ‘Free markets’ over and over again (like a chip or something)
because fundamentally there is no such thing as a market defined minimum wage in terms of it being legislated, a market based minimum wage isn’t a minimum wage, it is whatever the hell you are willing to get someone to do whatever for.
Comment by OneMan Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:53 pm
Got to give Rutherford props, well done.
Again, do I have this right…
Rauner says something (minimum wage, veto legislative pay), Dillard takes it, kinda runs with it, morphs it….
Brady and Rutherford keeps their heads, and respond with a sound answer to the Dopiness that lead to the chain of events.
Is there a pattern forming?
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:58 pm
The problem with (and I do see to some degree Rauners’ logic here, if you reduce it you can I think make labor more attractive than technology at the low end) is that to some degree as Rich points out, it is illogical to pay adults too little because of the greater social costs.
Think about why there is more crime in poor areas…
But if you were to look at lets say a lower youth minimum wage (we used to have it in Illinois not sure if we still do) it could provide some opportunity in Illinois.
But a market rate, which is no minimum at all Kirk? That’s just wacked.
Comment by OneMan Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 2:59 pm
Downstate, your post reflects a lot of ignorance for a guy talking about ignorance.
Will a reduced minimum wage cause more people to be added to the work force?
Possibly, but only somebody “ignorant” as to the consequences of a low wage job would claim that high employment at extremely low wages is a good thing.
Who do you think ends up paying for the health care for those people making extremely low wages? Realistically, who pays for food and rent for those people?
Before you start talking about “ignorant”, give some thought to the consequences of the reduction in wages.
Comment by Smoggie Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 3:00 pm
=== No joke, I was on 71 quite a bit during the holidays, and either the way to, or the way back passing through Norway ===
Then you must have driven by the farm where as a kid I messily learned about the hazards of my cousins using rusty brown plow disks as baseball bases in a cow pasture.
Comment by Norseman Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 3:06 pm
47th Ward — Exelon and Nicor are monopolistic utilities. Free market principles don’t apply to monopolies.
Comment by Just Me Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 3:12 pm
Could someone please ask these guys where they stand on child labor laws?
Comment by Michelle Flaherty Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 3:17 pm
Norseman….same here, but we used the dried out plow disks. For the life of me, closely resembles the same disks the campaigns toss around on the subject of minimum wage.
Comment by anonymoose Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 3:18 pm
Michelle Flaherty for the win.
Comment by Montrose Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 3:27 pm
In the months before his death Thomas Jefferson’s relatives attempted to organize a public lottery in order to alleviate his crushing personal debt. In Illinois we have video games in bars. Is this the Jeffersonian example Kirk wants?
Comment by Langhorne Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 3:29 pm
Michelle double win with the “George Jeffersonian” too
Comment by PoolGuy Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 3:36 pm
Everyone’s got their own version of politically-driven economics: based on either what people rationally “ought to do”, or what my party’s propagandists and think tanks have sold as accepted theory. Mythical economics abound, in our political discourse.
Real-world economics, done by real academic economists, reflect what people in our society actually do, in a given set of circumstances.
In our own real world, the many increases in the American minimum wage in the past 70 years, have proven not to produce the unemployment, price increases, or lack of growth that opponents are always touting.
That’s the reality, regardless of what “economic” theory you might think is self-evident.
Comment by walker Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 3:45 pm
“Jeffersonian” and “economics”, are both widely misconstrued.
Comment by walker Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 3:49 pm
For Downstate Illinois
http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/min-wage-2013-02.pdf
Comment by Anonymous Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 3:50 pm
Sorry Downstate;
http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/min-wage-2013-02.pdf
Comment by Tired of politics Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 3:52 pm
How come its always got to be this or that? Raise or no raise (or decrease)? The MW is largely political and doesn’t make much economic sense. It does more harm than good. However, there are some that would benefit from raising the MW (i.e. single mothers with children). Middle ground? Why not increase the earned income tax credit (EITC) while keeping the MW where its at? Current wages would help those who are low-skilled (i.e teens) get jobs, while increasing the EITC would provide for more take home pay for single mothers.
Comment by CommoNooB Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 4:59 pm
Whatever happened to Kirk Dillard? He used to be able to think.
Comment by Chavez-respecting Obamist Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 5:50 pm
Candidate’s “Coffee” before all 5 debate …
MODERATOR #1
All right. I will be back. Figure out what the minimum wage should be for our waitress
BRUCE RAUNER
$7.25
MODERATOR #2
$7.25?
BRUCE RAUNER
One dollar less than now.
MODERATOR #2
Dollar less?
PAT QUINN
You know what these waitresses make?
BRUCE RAUNER
Don’t give me that. She doesn’t make enough money, she can quit.
MOD #2
Let me just get this straight, $7.25?
BRUCE RAUNER
Yeah, $7.25 is enough. Alright, I mean I would recommend a raise if somebody really deserves a raise, if they really put forth the effort, I’ll give ‘em something extra, but I mean automatically give a raise is for the birds. I mean as far as I’m concerned they’re just doing their job. $7.25
PAT QUINN
Hey, this girl was nice.
BR
She was OK - but she wasn’t anything special.
MODERATOR #2
I’d go $8.25.
BR
Hey Look, I ordered coffee, right? Now we’ve been here a long time, and she’s only filled my cup three times. When I order coffee, I want it filled six times
DAN RUTHERFORD
Six times? Well, you know, what if she’s too busy?
BR
Words “too busy” shouldn’t be in a waitress’ vocabulary.
MOD #2
Excuse me, Mr. Rauner - the think you need another cup of coffee.
BR
I mean these ladies aren’t starving to death. They make minimum wage, which is $1 too high. You know, I never used to work minimum wage.
PQ
You don’t care they’re counting on the minimum wage to live?
BR
You know what this is? It’s the world’s smallest violin playing just for the waitresses.
BILL BRADY
You don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. These people bust their tail. This is a hard job.
BR
So’s working at McDonald’s, but you don’t feel the need to pay them more than minimum, do you? Why not? Hey, I’m very sorry. This ain’t my fault. It would appear that waitresses are just one of the many groups the government shouldn’t think about. “Learn to type.” Cause if you’re expecting me to help out with the rent by keeping the minimum wage as it is, they’re in for a big surprise. $7.25, and that’s it!
KIRK DILLARD
Hey - he’s convinced me. $7.25
MOD #2
Hey! Leave the minimum wage alone.
MOD #1
All right, ramblers, let’s get ramblin’. Wait a minute. Who didn’t agree to $8.25?
DR
Bruce Rauner
MOD #1
Bruce? Why not?
KD
He thinks $7.25 is enough.
MOD #1
What? $7.25?
KD
$7.25.
MOD #1
What do you mean you don’t believe in it being $8.25? Come on, you cheapskate.
BR
Alright - since I am getting hammered, I’ll agree, but normally I would never keep the wage at $8.25. Let’s forget the $7.25 stuff
MOD #1
Never mind what you normally would do, agree to $8.25 like everybody else.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 6:18 pm
Brady played it just about right for a GOP primary. Whacked both Rauner and Quinn.
Rutherford seems to be both for the current minimum wage, and against the minimum wage in concept.
Comment by wordslinger Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 7:29 pm
I am greatly disappointed that anyone proposing Rauner’s ideas on the minimum wage would have a chance of winning an election in Illinois, even a Republican primary.
Comment by DuPage Dave Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 7:45 pm
OW, I’m going to start referring to Rauner as Mr. Pink now, thanks to you. If Steve Buscemi was just a few years older he could play him in the movie.
Comment by 47th Ward Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 9:29 pm
- 47th Ward -,
I was sitting, reading this Rauner $7.25 stuff and all I kept visualizing is that open. Rauner is Mr. Pink!
Glad you caught the gag. Use it, make it yours.
High praise coming from you, appreciate it.
Comment by Oswego Willy Wednesday, Jan 8, 14 @ 9:51 pm
he wanted to be Mr. Purple, but some guy on some other job is Mr. Purple
Comment by PoolGuy Thursday, Jan 9, 14 @ 8:40 am