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* Madigan’s spokesman said he didn’t know either way because he (Steve Brown) is not on the House floor at the moment…
Speaker Madigan has banned governor office legislative liaisons from the House floor. #twill #extreme #unwillingtocompromise
— Mike Schrimpf (@mike_schrimpf) June 30, 2015
With kindest personal regards, I remain
Sincerely yours…
…Adding… Brown just blamed the whole thing on a “GOP doorkeeper.”
posted by Rich Miller
Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:35 pm
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Don’t diss me and then expect to be welcome in my house.
Comment by Norseman Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:38 pm
“We’ll gladly let you back on the floor when you sit in our committee and actually answer our questions.” BTW, this should have been the caption contest…
Comment by Chicago Cynic Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:39 pm
Maybe they should hire some lobbyists?
Comment by Chicken Little Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:40 pm
Words, actions, inaction, truth, tone all have consequences.
Comment by AC Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:40 pm
Perhaps the liaisons didn’t make an official written request to access the floor. Isn’t that how the administration wants legislators to request access to agency facilities.
Comment by Norseman Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:40 pm
Most likely payback for Goldberg’s letter.
Equally as petty, to be honest.
Comment by thunderspirit Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:41 pm
But, are they banned for life?
Comment by Wensicia Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:42 pm
===Norseman - Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:38 pm:
Don’t diss me and then expect to be welcome in my house.===
Except it’s not his house. Just seems like it. Seriously demonstrates how much reality has been skewed over one guy’s tenure.
Comment by A guy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:42 pm
And the tweet kept in the can today…Speaker Madigan is letting the governor’s office legislative liaisons run wild on the House floor.
Comment by McFish Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:43 pm
===* Madigan’s spokesman said he didn’t know either way because he’s not on the House floor at the moment…===
Just ponder this for a minute….
Wow.
Comment by A guy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:43 pm
===With kindest personal regards, I remain
Sincerely yours…===
lol.
I said it on the day Rauner raised his wrong hand and took the Oath;
LLs and Press Shop. The most critical hires.
The Press Shop taunts legislators in Tweets. Goldberg writes litters to Mock.
“Hey…hey… You like apples? I said, ‘you like apples?’. Your LLs just got banned from the House Floor, how do ya like them apples?”
Embarrassingly pathetic.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:45 pm
LT. BROWN, READY BOARDING PIKES AND SEND THE MARINES TO THE TOPS TO SWEEP THEIR WAIST.
Comment by Honeybear Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:45 pm
Shrimp’s bio talks about his digital media skills… pretty apparent.
Comment by Liberty Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:47 pm
=Except it’s not his house.= Right, but the speaker is the house leader.
Goldberg is in charge of what? I am not sure he is in charge of his own person right now.
Reminds me of when I was younger, popped off a couple of times with a wiseguy comment to someone more experienced. Might have felt good at the time but consequences can be not so enjoyable and are natural.
This ought to be a learning moment about civility and professionalism for everyone in Springfield. Not sure they have those down there though.
Comment by JS Mill Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:47 pm
=== Except it’s not his house. Just seems like it. Seriously demonstrates how much reality has been skewed over one guy’s tenure. ===
It IS HIS HOUSE until Rauner’s largesse can fund enough candidates to take it from him.
Frankly, there is no reason for the liaisons to be on the floor anyway. They can watch from the galleries or listen - like a lot of us are - on their speakers or PCs.
Comment by Norseman Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:49 pm
He is busy posting on this board, that is why he is not on the floor.
Comment by anon Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:50 pm
It’s not like the LLs were doing anything productive on the House floor to begin with.
Comment by Snucka Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:53 pm
Automatic access to the floor has been a huge huge tool for Constitutional officers over the years. However, several years back, access to the floor was limited to only the Governors office without specific, daily permission from the Clerk.
To have squandered that tool because one could not conduct themselves professionally is just unbelievable.
Comment by ILPundit Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:54 pm
Today it’s the House floor. Tonight I hear the Speaker is planning to ban them from Saputo’s.
Comment by 47th Ward Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:55 pm
Is this like “Nicky Santoro”? Rauner’s LLs are now in the Black Book?
Goldberg, “Let’s say, in the Press Box on the Floor, a reporter has one of ‘dem sanguishes I like, you know da ones, but to get it, I gotta go ON da House Floor to get it…”
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:57 pm
Think of this: The Speaker is now in a squabble with Mr. Goldberg. That’s new territory.
Comment by A guy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:59 pm
I thought the governor’s people didn’t want to participate in the GA’s sham activities, i.e. anything that doesn’t break unions.
Comment by Tournaround Agenda Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:59 pm
I am sure this has much more to do with the Governor’s Office refusing to testify.
You can’t expect to send liaisons to do your follow-up work on the floor if you aren’t going to bother to show up for hearings when you have an opportunity to be heard and answer questions on the record.
Comment by Juvenal Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:00 pm
Honestly, it’s a small diss that will barely be a blip in the news. We notice it because, well, we love this stuff. But let’s be real, all the public sees is partisan back-and-forth (i.e. more of the same).
Comment by The Muse Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:00 pm
Here is the House rule on floor access.
=== (House Rule 30)
30. Access to the House Floor.
(a) Except as otherwise provided in these Rules, only the following persons shall be
admitted to the House while it is in session: members and officers of the General
Assembly; elected officers of the executive branch; justices of the Supreme Court; the
designated aide to the Governor, except as limited by the Speaker; the parliamentarian;
majority staff members and minority staff members, except as limited by the Speaker or
Presiding Officer; former members, except as limited by the Speaker or prohibited under
subsection (d); and employees of the Legislative Reference Bureau, except as limited by
the Speaker. Representatives of the press, while the House is in session, may have access
to the galleries and places allotted to them by the Speaker. No person is entitled to the
floor unless appropriately attired. Only members of the General Assembly may use
telephones at the members’ desks. Smoking is prohibited on the floor of the House and in
the House galleries.
22
NINETY-NINTH
HOUSE RULES GENERAL ASSEMBLY RULE 31
(b) On days during which the House is in session, the Doorkeeper shall clear the
floor of all persons not entitled to access to the floor 15 minutes before the convening
time, and the Doorkeeper shall enforce all other provisions of this Rule.
(c) The Speaker may authorize the admission to the floor of any other person, except
as prohibited under subsection (d).
(d) No person who is directly or indirectly interested in defeating or promoting any
pending legislative measure, if required to be registered as a lobbyist, or compensated by
an entity required to register as a lobbyist, shall be allowed access to the floor of the
House at any time during the session. The Speaker, or his or her designee, shall have the
authority to determine whether a person may be granted or denied access in accordance
with this subsection.
(e) When he or she deems it necessary for the preservation of order, the Presiding
Officer may by order remove any person from the floor of the House. A Representative
may be removed from the floor only under Article XI or XII of these Rules.
Comment by Norseman Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:01 pm
Come on with that letter. Goldberg=Schrimpf.
Comment by Postman Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:03 pm
===Think of this: The Speaker is now in a squabble with Mr. Goldberg. That’s new territory.===
That’s only true if Goldberg sent the letter unapproved…
The ban is symbolic. If anything, it will either be tweeted about as a injustice to the Governor’s Office or to Goldberg.
Cue the Schrimpf Tweet…
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:03 pm
Who knew Carhartt wasn’t appropriate attire.
Or maybe it was the Marlboros.
. . .
No person is entitled to the floor unless appropriately attired. Only members of the General Assembly may use telephones at the members’ desks. Smoking is prohibited on the floor of the House and in the House galleries.
Comment by Bill White Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:06 pm
Floor? No, door. stand at the door and wait like everyone else.
Comment by Amalia Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:07 pm
===The ban is symbolic.====
Found a sentence we can agree on. Definition to be determined.
Comment by A guy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:08 pm
===…Adding… Brown just blamed the whole thing on a “GOP doorkeeper.”===
lol, it was a sham order.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:09 pm
Guy, I pondered it for a minute.
“Wow” isn’t really as insightful or as deep as you might think. But keep trying,
The governor can fill his sandbox however he likes, but I’m not sure what he thinks he gains with the juvenile tactics of Goldberg, Shrimpf and Trover.
Seriously, do they deliver what Sen. Kirk and others would call “gravitas?” That’s supposedly very important.
Their audience is limited to those under the Dome. It’s not like “Fox and Friends” is breathlessly covering their every bro-down.
Comment by Wordslinger Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:09 pm
In te words of RUN-DMC: “Who’s House?”…”Mike’s House!”
Comment by One to the Dome Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:10 pm
The Governor thinks the entire legislatin’ process is a sham and he does not like government at all - so he should have no problem with his overpaid “rock star” staffers being moved off the floor.
I think this move is totally justified and not even petty in the slightest bit. Goldberg and the Rauner team are behaving very unprofessionally. They think they are above the entire process of legislatin’ and budgetin’ but most of the other people in that building, including the GOP legislators, do take their work seriously and they behave professionally.
Goldberg’s antics are demeaning to him and the Governor. I wish him luck in the future. Luck finding another job that is.
Comment by siriusly Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:34 pm
The downward spiral continues.
With both sides acting so petty, this is no shock. Now it should not be shocking for the Governor’s office to ban some of the Speaker’s staff from a different location they control to even the score.
Comment by Formerly Known As... Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:41 pm
== Wordslinger - Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:09 pm:
Guy, I pondered it for a minute.===
I read your thoughts. I almost always do. There are precious nuggets to be gained within the delivery method often chosen.
On this one, ponder it a bit more.
Comment by A guy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:44 pm
===I think this move is totally justified and not even petty in the slightest bit.===
And with that, the rest of the thought…is meaningless.
Comment by A guy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:46 pm
The Speaker stated the LLs were not allowed on the Floor, as it was a Committee of the Whole, not Session…
So Goldberg didn’t get a “Nicky Santoro”…
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:47 pm
The House is only for closers.
Comment by mokenavince Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:48 pm
No legislative liaison is admitted to the House floor without prior request and permission. An exception to that rule has usually been granted as a courtesy to one from the Gov’s office as a courtesy. It rarely occurs in any case, because there’s little for them to do then and there. Wonder what his mission was?
Comment by walker Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:53 pm
Perhaps the LLs would be allowed on the floor to testify on behalf of some of the Directors…
Comment by Pot calling kettle Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:54 pm
Guy, I can see why you’d aspire to the level of the Frat Boys.
If I recall, you’re a gravitas kind of guy. I’m sure they wow you.
Comment by Wordslinger Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:56 pm
FKA: already been done weeks ago to Reps trying to communicate with agency directors. At least we read it here.
Comment by walker Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:57 pm
@Norseman, I had the same thought as you when I read this. The message is until you can act professionally and respectfully, you are banned from my house. @AGuy, don’t kid yourself, it is Madigan’s house. Most of the house rules that exist today were written by that man. Besides the house floor is no place for snarky frat boys.
Comment by The Dude Abides Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:58 pm
Aren’t they technically in committee and not in session? I don’t recall liaisons being permitted to mingle among the members in 118 or 114 either.
Comment by Juice Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:02 pm
=== Wordslinger - Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 3:56 pm:
Guy, I can see why you’d aspire to the level of the Frat Boys.====
LOL. No, Sling, Frat boy is far from my sweet spot. Gravitas?? Only as it relates to very tough nerds. Those are more my guys.
But I could see you, off to the side, vaping and positing your great thoughts.
Comment by A guy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:03 pm
Vaping? I don’t know what that is.
Is that a bro-down thing, before you represent the Governor of Illinois before the Illinois General Assembly?
You know, adults dealing with serious issues that impact millions of people?
Comment by Wordslinger Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:10 pm
Actually I did not blame anyone, I just indicated the cast of folks involved. Upon further review, I am told the Administration already had 5 staffers on the floor. Not sure who picked who, but will let them work up their next answer.
Comment by Steve Brown Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:11 pm
A Guy: Why would it be ok to snark at a legislator and not a judge?
Comment by Skeptic Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:14 pm
Why would the speaker of the house be on the floor at a time of finincial chrisis (of his own making?)
Comment by Just a lawyer Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:16 pm
walker - that is right! I forgot.
By my count, then Madigan still owes Rauner another one. Maybe a snarky letter from Steve Brown to even things up?
Comment by Formerly Known As... Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:16 pm
I think there should be a Steve and Lance post only section—-Could be very popular!
Comment by anon Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:22 pm
- Just a lawyer -,
When you have a point, try and make it. No one will stop you.
- A Guy -,
Check Amanda Vinicki’s Twitter;
The letter is on letterhead, with the name of Bruce Rauner, from the Office of the Governor.
On that letterhead, above the signature one of the Governor’s LLs, a Staffer decides to go so snarky, it’s difficult to see respect for the institutions of the Executive, the Legislative, the officers, anyone.
Respect for the institutions should always be a forethought before a signature of a Staffer is placed on a letter written on that letterhead, and to whom that letter is sent.
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:23 pm
===Vaping? I don’t know what that is.
Is that a bro-down thing,====
Maybe we could do a CF poll asking how many people know what vaping is vs. how many people know what the heck “bro-down” means.
I think you invented bro-down.
Comment by A guy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:32 pm
The fact that Madigan and others see it as “his house” speaks volumes in and of itself.
Comment by One of the 35 Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:35 pm
FKA: I get your point. It’s petty and destructive no matter who does it.
If five Rauner LLs actually were on the floor, as reported, then this claimed slight might be of little consequence.
Such crap, especially when it’s whining delivered first to the press before even checking the substance, would bother me much less if only spokespersons were allowed to indulge. For other professional staff, it’s truly destructive.
Comment by walker Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:36 pm
== Skeptic - Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:14 pm:
A Guy: Why would it be ok to snark at a legislator and not a judge? ===
Dude, share with the class what conversation you’re referring to. Judge???
In the case of a legislator holding hearings with no guests? I don’t know. That might just qualify for snark on it’s own merits. The math issue highlighted does highlight a little issue there.
These dog and pony hearings are an insult to the millions of people concerned about serious matters. All the extra drama today…just icing on an ugly cake.
Comment by A guy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:37 pm
===The fact that Madigan and others see it as “his house” speaks volumes in and of itself.===
The leaders of the Chambers, like Boehner in the US House, the majority party’s controlling head is considered “in charge”.
In Illinois, they ain’t called the “Four Tops” for nothing. The leaders run the chambers.
What’s next, shock there’s gambling at Rick’s?
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:40 pm
“Dude, share with the class what conversation you’re referring to. Judge???” Co-equal branches of government. So, I ask again, why would it be acceptable to lip off to a legislator and not a judge?
Comment by Skeptic Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:43 pm
Deserved. Appropriate.
The frat boys are an embarrassment to the governor.
They obviously disrespect legislators and the process. So, the whole team of liaisons gets banned. More of a problem for the minority than majority. Someone should remind those bozos they will need votes
Comment by Langhorne Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:44 pm
Why would Madigan mess with lil Bobby like that? Could it be because he walks around like he owns Illinois? Grow up and you can play with the big kids, Bob.
Comment by Politix Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:51 pm
With all due respect, perhaps Brownie’s time would be better spent making sure his team’s numbers are good than being the attendance police.
With kindest personal regards,
AA
Comment by Arthur Andersen Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:54 pm
walker +100
Like you, I do not mind spokespeople trading barbs. That is part of the sausage making.
But today’s letter to Bradley’s committee, amusing as it was, was equally destructive imho. This is what our state is being reduced to? Just one example of many from both parties.
Comment by Formerly Known As... Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:57 pm
Apparently Rauner’s lap dogs are not house broken.
Comment by Luggie Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 4:58 pm
AA, was that snark? Darn, now you won’t be able to get on the floor.
Comment by Norseman Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 5:01 pm
==- Snucka - Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:53 pm:
It’s not like the LLs were doing anything productive on the House floor to begin with. ==
It doesn’t sound like anyone is doing anything productive on the House floor.
Comment by ihpsdm Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 5:02 pm
Norseman, elephants will fly over the Capitol before AA gets floor access.
Comment by Arthur Andersen Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 5:08 pm
It’s not often that you get under the Speaker’s skin but Rauner has done it. The reclusive speaker now hosts weekly press conferences, Steve Brown is trolling and posting on GOP legislator Facebook posts, etc.
Comment by 1776 Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 5:10 pm
@ 1776
“It’s not often that you get under the Speaker’s skin but Rauner has done it. The reclusive speaker now hosts weekly press conferences, Steve Brown is trolling and posting on GOP legislator Facebook posts, etc.”
Yeah, but what’s the end game? Most 3 year olds can get under their parents skin too…then they just end up in timeout, while the grownups get back to work.
Comment by How Ironic Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 5:15 pm
Springfield is becoming an adult pre-K.
Comment by Formerly Known As... Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 5:18 pm
“It was an innocent mistake. I said, ‘Don’t put any Republican goons on the door,’ and he thought I said,’Don’t let any Republican goons through the door.’ See? Perfectly innocent.”
– MrJM
Comment by MrJM Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 5:21 pm
===Yeah, but what’s the end game?===
Yep. Is Goldberg counting Dem noses? That’s the point.
I guess Rauner cares less about counting noses to pass anything(?)
Comment by Oswego Willy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 5:33 pm
Don’t you just hate when the Rules of the house don’t coincide with the Rules of the Boardroom. That moment that you realize that you spent all that money for a rundown mansion and bad food in Springfield. Better gas up that GTCR jet and head back to the “Think Tank”.
Comment by Chicago(D) Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 5:47 pm
This would be very amusing if there weren’t thousands of lives and livelihoods at stake.
Comment by Mittuns Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 5:47 pm
Just this in … the race to be the last GOPie to deposit TeamBungle rental payments is comin’ down to the wire…
6-29 Bryant $4K, Rezin $4K,
6-30 Winger $4K, Breen $4K (5:28 p.m.)
Assumin’ these are old checks that have been “lost” in mail.
Comment by Anonin' Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 5:49 pm
Vaping has arrived.
Comment by Anonymous Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 5:51 pm
Brings new meaning to “who sent ya?” Childish righteous indignation. I expect nothing less from MJM.
Comment by Black Ivy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 6:48 pm
@ Black Ivy,
It’s not like they weren’t acting like children before they were banned. Maybe if Rauners staff acted as though they had even an ounce of decorum in them…it wouldn’t have come to this.
Comment by How Ironic Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 6:54 pm
Decorum? Really? The mistreatment of Rauner’s staff is the cost of shaking up Springfield. A welcome phenomenon. Get used to it.
Comment by Black Ivy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 7:10 pm
- Snucka - Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 2:53 pm:
“It’s not like the LLs were doing anything productive on the House floor to begin with.”
You’re correct, at least concerning the Repub’s that vanished from the chamber today. Perhaps they all went to the hearing this morning? Someone must have picked up all the bread crumbs that were left so they could find their way back? If that’s the case the lieutenant gov slip and fall sue should assemble a committee to investigate why the repub LL’s have lost their way (literally).
Comment by 13thone Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 7:41 pm
How many budgets were balanced and came in on time the last 12 years when the Dems had the Governor’s Office, the House, and the Senate? Just saying, short memories here….
Comment by Holdingontomywallet Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 8:38 pm
ihpsdm===It doesn’t sound like anyone is doing anything productive on the House floor===
That was my 1st thought too! lol
Comment by Soccertease Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 8:47 pm
Children, children, we must behave or they will think we don’t deserve a recesss.
Comment by the old man Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 9:53 pm
Bro down is from Southpark guy. I highly recommend you watch that episode.
Comment by Jorge Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 11:22 pm
Reading this late, but Madigan limits his own staff access. Budget Staff gets 3 passes. If they loose one, they only have 2 for a while. Happens all of the time. Very strict on that, have been for a while.
Comment by Lil squeezy Tuesday, Jun 30, 15 @ 11:59 pm
Where are our union leaders! Rauner holding the budget hostage to push his anti union agenda is union busting. Its against federl law. Where yu at trumka. You use to be a man. Its time to fight. Remember pittson
Comment by Thomas Stell Wednesday, Jul 1, 15 @ 6:47 am